If this challenge confuses you, or you are wondering why the strategy contains extra steps (always 9+), give this a read - it might help. The reason for the extra steps is the shadows mechanic. I'll explain what it is, since it is still poorly understood by many (which is fair lol, this encounter's mechanics are very confusing). While you are inside, you may have noticed that the shapes the other players' statues are holding (shadows) disappear as you progress through the puzzle. This is what "Shadows Removed" on the scoreboard represents. Let's say the layout is TCS, and you're in the triangle room. If you were to receive a square from someone, you may notice that the statue on the right would lose the square its holding. The square shadow in your room is "removed" from your room, and your room only. Now, the three conditions for letting you break through the glass wall are often misunderstood, and yesterday we realized that they were inaccurate this whole time! The actual conditions are as follows: 1. You must hold two shapes, neither shape can be the shape your statue is holding. (this means two squares can work, if your statue is holding a circle) 2. All three dimensional figures outside must match what the players inside are holding, achieved through dissecting. 3. Both shadows (the shapes the other two statues hold) must be removed from your room. (iow: you must have received a square and a triangle at some point, if your statue is holding a circle) The source of all our misconception, is condition number three. When doing the encounter normally, the misconception that; "The key itself must be built from the OTHER two symbols." works, and raises no issues. As long as you ensure that every shape moves at some point, and that everyone receives a key constructed from the other two symbols, you will always fulfil condition #3. You will have sent away everything you have, before receiving the two shapes needed to remove the shadows in your room, which of course - also let you through the wall when held. When doing the challenge, you may be tempted to cut corners if you are dealt a "good" hand where everyone starts with two of their own symbol. But if you send your two circles to the triangle room, the square shadow will still persist in that room. Its contained player won't be able to get through the wall until they are sent a square. This is why the extra steps are required, we need to get rid of all shadows before anyone runs through. Shadows are the reason we must send at least six shapes in total when doing the encounter normally, no matter the permutation we're dealt. Six removable shadows, two in each room. When doing the challenge, the minimum number of sends will always be nine - since we must first get rid of all the shadows (6), before matching up again (3). hope this helps, ah finally even more geometry nonsense gibberish knowledge my brain can devour. good luck.
@@abitofsupport601 yuuup, and i feel i cant blame anyone for that with all the other absurd bugs we have like rampant cloaks covering your entire screen and invisible ghosts and players preventing you from being useful during catatonic decimation.
Does this mean that the idea that "you can't use either of your two starting shapes" is technically incorrect? Getting rid of them guarantees they are used to remove shadows from another room, satisfying condition 3, but we were misplacing the reasoning behind it? Could one shape be sent between both other rooms to remove both of their shadows? I.e. could the triangle player send their triangle to the circle room, who then sends that same triangle to the square room? That could allow the other triangle to stay in the circle/square room and be used to make a key? This wouldn't actually improve anything, just a thought.
@@rpottsYes, the starting shapes idea is technically incorrect. You could in theory receive the shapes needed to remove the shadows in your room, send your own shape away, then use the other starting shape combined with one of the shapes you received to run through the wall. Pretty sure this will softlock and instantly wipe the encounter though. Sure, one could technically be sent between the other rooms, but I'm unsure how this would work in practice since the knights will only drop the two symbols you've had the longest. You would have to get rid of one of your other symbols, then let the other symbol despawn and kill the next ogre (if that's even possible), before having to pick up the shape you triangle you would send to the other room, but that one might not even drop (again we're in a bit of a gray area here). I'd say there really isn't any point in worrying about which shapes are used to clear what shadows, you would have to put in some extra work either way because of the restriction on what symbols the knights can drop.
I enjoyed this live format style. It feels casual and informative, and it hits all the important topics without any fluff. Would love to see more of this!
The more "story telling" method of explaining is more entertaining to me and still gets the teaching across so I really liked this vid. Thanks for the explanation of the shadows as well. Forgot that was a part of it
This makes so much sence! The lore of Verity is to deny everything the Witness gives you. You have to create 3 keys (inside) and 3 keyholes (outside) without using what he gives you. Wether you do this with 2 of the same one you are not holding or 2 of the different ones you are not holding doesn't matter cause in the end you still do the same thing, get out without using what the Witness gives you.
You know, this is actually fun! I kinda enjoy verity when people know what to do in it (and when I teach blueberries, for some reason), and this challenge sounds just like the right type of thing to do with a bunch of people who know and like this encounter as well
I really liked the live demonstration with clips and photoshop open! I wasn't a huge fan of the background music being as loud as it was. Thank you for clarifying!
For those of you wondering why you can't just "double up and then pass both to 1 statue" right away, it deals with how you cleanse shadows. From my understanding (which has been poorly communicated by the community imo), the cleansing of a shadow/statue occurs when that statue receives both other shapes from other people(s) (can be from the same person or 1 from each). So if you are Circle, you need to have been given a Triangle and Square before - if I understand what is going on correctly). This is something my team has struggled with when trying to test "perfect shapes" and other "keys" beforehand. The community (from my research and experience with doing this encounter and watching guides) have been very bad at bringing this information to light on how the encounter works; they just focus on what steps and solutions lead to you getting out of the shadow realm. So, the solution, not the governing rules of the encounter. People have mainly been saying you just need to not use your original shapes (that's what "cleanses" the shadows), but that is incorrect. So from my understanding, you need to do all of the following: 1) To not use your starting shapes 2) Can't use the shape your statue holds 3) Must have gotten the other 2 shapes that don't match your statue from someone(s) else. (Can both be from the same person) 4) Your "key" must match the outside "lock" - the 3D shape the corresponds to your physical statue. 5) ALL inside players must have completed the previous requirements in order to get out. (You all can get out or none of you can) If this is wrong, I would like to know exactly how it works (video would be appreciated). Otherwise, it's a deep dive I'll explore on my own when I have time another day.
"Shadow cleansed" happens when someone sends you a shape? I always thought it happened when you gave away one of your starting shapes, that's good to know.
@@isaiahrawlinson4885 The reason that can't (only) be the case is if, say, everyone inside all started with double of their shapes (so Circle had CC, S had SS, T had TT) and then double dunk those shapes on the statue to your right (so now the S statue will have CC). You: have no shapes that match your statue, moved all your starting shapes, and you have a "key" (this time it being a pure shape). This will not let you leave; tried that yesterday. There is crucial step still missing. So it must involve what shapes you have received/had on your back wall.
Live Datto is nice, feels authentic and fresh, not saying scripting is bad, but I just enjoy you swinging for the fences and it probably also saves time for you too
Without watching the video, I agree with the title. I have completed this raid and encounter only a single time and my fireteam did this encounter flawlessly first try. It was explained to me, we started the encounter, and i asked questions for clarity as we went. I was even sent inside 2 of the 3 rotations and it was fine. When we finished, my genuine reaction was "Wow, that really wasn't as bad as people made it seem."
I did it but to be honest? It's not even fun. Its just annoying lmao. Like there needs to be a healthy balance of 'wow this is fun, but dang its hard' it shouldnt be JUST annoying. I personally think they missed the gameplay mark here (for me) but all content doesn't need to be curated to me and thats okay. I'll just not do it lmao.
The whole actual point of this encounter is to make a 3D shape that doesn’t include the ones that were called out for each statue. You’re essentially creating the *same* key on the outside and inside for the guardian that’s trapped to come out. Call outs starting left to right (or right to left however you prefer) Example - if you start with CTS, dissector will make a call out of SSCCTT *or* TTSSCC. If you happen to be the left statue on the inside you are going to either make a cube or prism *according* to the callout made by the outside team. If your key that you have made matches the same statue on the outside, you can walk-out. This is the actual encounter and its purpose. Incase if anyone hasn’t noticed this is exactly how it works by *default* even if you’re not doing challenge. I noticed this when running this encounter on the first few weeks of its release.
One way to think about this is: - dissection creates the perfect shapes, *shifting one spot to the LEFT of the read positions for the perfect shapes* - CST - shift left - would be cube / pyramid / sphere - inside does all their normal trades, and then one final single trade each: *send the person to your RIGHT the symbol you've got that isn't theirs* - CST - C on left ends with S / T - sending one room to your right which is mid - should send T instead of S because S is "their own" You could flip inside and outside doing left and right, since as Datto points out, there's two ways to solve it with perfect shapes, this is just the direction that makes sense to me.
I remember posting in a handful of channels and discord stuff if people could just do perfect shapes to make a key and get out but no one was willing to Try it. It is cool to know that that is an option I also wanted to try for the inside room having 1 person get all of the shapes and then just distribute them out as a means of taking the other 2 out of the picture in case they did not know how to do it I think that should also work
Instead of adding a phase, why not just have everyone with double of a shape give both their shapes to the same statue? Like, instead of one to each, you just check the callouts to see if you send both your shapes to left, mid, or right and then everyone is done.
Simplified in a way that made me understand it: Inside: Do first and third phase as normal Second phase, do everything as normal. Once everyone has both symbols that their statue is not holding, dunk symbols into the statue that the outside tells you to dunk in. (The second phase symbol distribution still needs to happen, think of it as the trigger to be able to go through the wall.) Ex. Inside statue callouts are Circle, Triangle, Square. This means the final symbols all inside players should be holding to leave will be: Left: Square and Square. Middle: Circle and Circle. Right: Triangle and Triangle. Typically, this should be put in the text chat as: CTS SSTTCC Get everyone even (if you do that step) Give away your shapes as normal Once everyone has their shapes that their statue is not holding, dunk the symbols in the statue that needs it according to the challenge rules (for this example, Squares in left, Triangles in Middle, Circles in Right) Once that is done, kill both your knights and pick up both symbols. So long as the outside has done their jobs correctly, you should be able to leave the room at this point, challenge complete. As for the outside, I don't really know how to explain dissections. After doing dissections for the challenge, what I can say is that if you don't already have a very solid grasp of dissecting, you should not be doing it for the challenge. You are creating the corresponding 3D shape of the final inside callouts according to the challenge. So for my example, you will be creating Cube, Pyramid and Sphere (SSTTCC)
Pro tip for Dissection, especially on Master- I’m sure that many people take the approach of solving for one statue first, which makes sense, but the All Doubles randomization will make that difficult to do if you’re using the shapes efficiently (one of each before any repeats). Seems stupid or unnecessary but just having a teammate pick up the unwanted shape to keep the spawns moving can be really helpful so that you can use 2 shapes back to back. It’s slightly slower than optimal but mentally speaking it’ll be smoother, given that you’ll have Inside callouts in your ear & master-level enemies to deal with.
Tried it out for the first time last night since 2 members of our raid team always opted to skip it previous weeks. It's not bad at all once you've done it right once, and I hope more people lose their fear of this encounter Fortunately, the challenge is only different 1 time so its not bad : D
Don’t forget this. For special round (prime shape round. Round 2) if the 2D rooms start out doubled up, you MUST split. Before re distributing to the TTSSCC locations. You cant get away with immediately sending to TTSSCC locations as it wont remove the shadows.. The shadows need to be removed or it won’t let you out. We wiped on this once. Hopefully it helps you not make the same mistake 🤟
My team and I instead of doubling up in second phase, we just send our shapes to whatever 1 each obviously and just waited for the dissect guy to tell us what 3d shapes he's making to deposit what we need inside
You don't need an extra step. That's making things harder than it needs to be. Normal round - double up and then gift to each Perfect shape round - distribute to each and then make the double where it's needed. Takes out a whole set of transfers in that middle round saving loads of time and confusion. It was so much easier when we stopped doubling up to start on that second round.
For people that don’t need 14 mins to understand. Encounter needs 3 jailbreaks (inside peeps makes keys and leave 3 times) 1) normal jailbreak - you should know how 2) double up on shape (not yours ie T) leave with CC or SS 3) back to normal Get your adept rolls and next week your title
Datto raid guide music jump delight. I can confirm that this challenge is not THAT hard once you know. It break my brain a little figuring it out though.
After doupleing up you send your two Ts for example to the guy needing the Ts called out by the outside player... outside player just calls who needs what. No extra step
So quick question, when you're giving your symbols away, can't you just give your 2 circles to the person that wants the sphere instead of giving 1 to each.
Because of the shadows removed part of the encounter- essentially you need to dunk once on each statue (that’s not yours) on the inside to remove the “shadow” in it’s hand
@@ivomegaiv5864yhhh I j remembered that you couldn't have one of the starting symbols on ur wall and u have to essentially 'cleanse' ur shapes. I didn't know it was because of shadows tho. Is that something u can physically see in game?
@@mylankumar4109 this is correct. But the above comment is incorrect. It isn't about which statue you dunk on, it is receiving a shape from that player. At any point in order to leave you must have received a square from the square player and a triangle from the triangle player (if you are the circle player). This is why the normal double-up and split method works. If you instead just pass one to the right or left then you will never have received a shape from the third player and thus nobody can leave.
Normalize number callout for Verity PLEASE. So much easier to callout the number of sides of their shape. 0 3 4 = circle, triangle, square, so that you don’t need to deal with C potentially meaning Cube or Circle, so on and so forth. 00 = sphere…etc
at the main explanation, around 5:30 or so and following, wouldn't it be easier and make more sense to just send both shapes to the same person that needs them (change phase 2)? So in that example, instead of the circle person giving a circle to both other players, they just give both circles to the triangle person? Triangle gives both triangles to square, and square gives both squares to circle? Once you explained how the phases needed to end, this instantly clicked and made more sense to me, so I was surprised you didn't mention it. I don't know if this doesn't work for some reason, or just wasn't considered.
It’s not that I don’t like to raid. It’s that I don’t like to play the soul crushing, mind numbing speed dating roulette game that is finding a team on lfg.
So its Phase one: do it normal Phase 2: do it normal. then double up again, just not with your own shape Phase 3: do it normal Doesnt sound hard at all.
Genuinely i saw the way of doing the challenge and I thought it would be the easiest challenge so far in the raid ( or at least as easy as encounter 3). Apparantly I overestimated peoples ability to actually know how to do the normal way of inside without being told specifically when and where to place their shadow. The fact that the inside is literally just ONE extra shadow placing and it is confusing people is weird to me.
Question: After doubling up (phase 1) can't everybody just give both shapes to the statue on their right? (With rightmost statue looping back to the 1st/left statue) Don't know if I'm missing something but would remove step 3...?
Ahhh, so in order to get to Datto, we must first get Dacco and then Dasso
I see what you did here.
Da Triangle Triangle O
Da Circle Circle O
Da Square Square O
I hope this comment gets the love it deserves
I laughed way harder than I should have at this
This is the one. This is the winner.
Couldn't follow instructions, ended up with Tesco
Hey don't call me out like that I raid once in a while.
I felt so seen immediately 😂😂
I took that personally Datto.
I resemble that remark!
I've never felt so called out in the first ten seconds of a video before LOL
So you're one of those who kick me the instant I speak.
If this challenge confuses you, or you are wondering why the strategy contains extra steps (always 9+), give this a read - it might help.
The reason for the extra steps is the shadows mechanic. I'll explain what it is, since it is still poorly understood by many (which is fair lol, this encounter's mechanics are very confusing).
While you are inside, you may have noticed that the shapes the other players' statues are holding (shadows) disappear as you progress through the puzzle. This is what "Shadows Removed" on the scoreboard represents. Let's say the layout is TCS, and you're in the triangle room. If you were to receive a square from someone, you may notice that the statue on the right would lose the square its holding. The square shadow in your room is "removed" from your room, and your room only.
Now, the three conditions for letting you break through the glass wall are often misunderstood, and yesterday we realized that they were inaccurate this whole time! The actual conditions are as follows:
1. You must hold two shapes, neither shape can be the shape your statue is holding. (this means two squares can work, if your statue is holding a circle)
2. All three dimensional figures outside must match what the players inside are holding, achieved through dissecting.
3. Both shadows (the shapes the other two statues hold) must be removed from your room. (iow: you must have received a square and a triangle at some point, if your statue is holding a circle)
The source of all our misconception, is condition number three. When doing the encounter normally, the misconception that; "The key itself must be built from the OTHER two symbols." works, and raises no issues. As long as you ensure that every shape moves at some point, and that everyone receives a key constructed from the other two symbols, you will always fulfil condition #3. You will have sent away everything you have, before receiving the two shapes needed to remove the shadows in your room, which of course - also let you through the wall when held.
When doing the challenge, you may be tempted to cut corners if you are dealt a "good" hand where everyone starts with two of their own symbol. But if you send your two circles to the triangle room, the square shadow will still persist in that room. Its contained player won't be able to get through the wall until they are sent a square. This is why the extra steps are required, we need to get rid of all shadows before anyone runs through.
Shadows are the reason we must send at least six shapes in total when doing the encounter normally, no matter the permutation we're dealt. Six removable shadows, two in each room.
When doing the challenge, the minimum number of sends will always be nine - since we must first get rid of all the shadows (6), before matching up again (3).
hope this helps, ah finally even more geometry nonsense gibberish knowledge my brain can devour.
good luck.
"i can't see my shapes on the statues, it's bugged"
It was, in fact, not bugged!
@@abitofsupport601 yuuup, and i feel i cant blame anyone for that with all the other absurd bugs we have like rampant cloaks covering your entire screen and invisible ghosts and players preventing you from being useful during catatonic decimation.
Does this mean that the idea that "you can't use either of your two starting shapes" is technically incorrect? Getting rid of them guarantees they are used to remove shadows from another room, satisfying condition 3, but we were misplacing the reasoning behind it? Could one shape be sent between both other rooms to remove both of their shadows? I.e. could the triangle player send their triangle to the circle room, who then sends that same triangle to the square room? That could allow the other triangle to stay in the circle/square room and be used to make a key? This wouldn't actually improve anything, just a thought.
OK captain paragraph
@@rpottsYes, the starting shapes idea is technically incorrect. You could in theory receive the shapes needed to remove the shadows in your room, send your own shape away, then use the other starting shape combined with one of the shapes you received to run through the wall. Pretty sure this will softlock and instantly wipe the encounter though.
Sure, one could technically be sent between the other rooms, but I'm unsure how this would work in practice since the knights will only drop the two symbols you've had the longest. You would have to get rid of one of your other symbols, then let the other symbol despawn and kill the next ogre (if that's even possible), before having to pick up the shape you triangle you would send to the other room, but that one might not even drop (again we're in a bit of a gray area here). I'd say there really isn't any point in worrying about which shapes are used to clear what shadows, you would have to put in some extra work either way because of the restriction on what symbols the knights can drop.
I love how datto embraces his community with this intro
Yeah. I stopped playing D2 a year ago but I love watching his streams and raid guides
I feel SEEN
Man I'm not even three minutes in and I'm already taking psychic damage.
People on LFG are about to take that title personally
I enjoyed this live format style. It feels casual and informative, and it hits all the important topics without any fluff. Would love to see more of this!
I feel personally attacked by that intro 😂
The more "story telling" method of explaining is more entertaining to me and still gets the teaching across so I really liked this vid.
Thanks for the explanation of the shadows as well. Forgot that was a part of it
This makes so much sence! The lore of Verity is to deny everything the Witness gives you. You have to create 3 keys (inside) and 3 keyholes (outside) without using what he gives you. Wether you do this with 2 of the same one you are not holding or 2 of the different ones you are not holding doesn't matter cause in the end you still do the same thing, get out without using what the Witness gives you.
Datto getting confused with C’s and S’s himself 😂
Cubes, spheres
Sorry sCuare, Sircle
You know, this is actually fun!
I kinda enjoy verity when people know what to do in it (and when I teach blueberries, for some reason), and this challenge sounds just like the right type of thing to do with a bunch of people who know and like this encounter as well
That first line, so real. 🤣
I really liked the live demonstration with clips and photoshop open! I wasn't a huge fan of the background music being as loud as it was. Thank you for clarifying!
For those of you wondering why you can't just "double up and then pass both to 1 statue" right away, it deals with how you cleanse shadows. From my understanding (which has been poorly communicated by the community imo), the cleansing of a shadow/statue occurs when that statue receives both other shapes from other people(s) (can be from the same person or 1 from each). So if you are Circle, you need to have been given a Triangle and Square before - if I understand what is going on correctly). This is something my team has struggled with when trying to test "perfect shapes" and other "keys" beforehand.
The community (from my research and experience with doing this encounter and watching guides) have been very bad at bringing this information to light on how the encounter works; they just focus on what steps and solutions lead to you getting out of the shadow realm. So, the solution, not the governing rules of the encounter. People have mainly been saying you just need to not use your original shapes (that's what "cleanses" the shadows), but that is incorrect. So from my understanding, you need to do all of the following:
1) To not use your starting shapes
2) Can't use the shape your statue holds
3) Must have gotten the other 2 shapes that don't match your statue from someone(s) else. (Can both be from the same person)
4) Your "key" must match the outside "lock" - the 3D shape the corresponds to your physical statue.
5) ALL inside players must have completed the previous requirements in order to get out. (You all can get out or none of you can)
If this is wrong, I would like to know exactly how it works (video would be appreciated). Otherwise, it's a deep dive I'll explore on my own when I have time another day.
"Shadow cleansed" happens when someone sends you a shape? I always thought it happened when you gave away one of your starting shapes, that's good to know.
@@isaiahrawlinson4885 The reason that can't (only) be the case is if, say, everyone inside all started with double of their shapes (so Circle had CC, S had SS, T had TT) and then double dunk those shapes on the statue to your right (so now the S statue will have CC).
You: have no shapes that match your statue, moved all your starting shapes, and you have a "key" (this time it being a pure shape). This will not let you leave; tried that yesterday. There is crucial step still missing. So it must involve what shapes you have received/had on your back wall.
Was a very refreshing way to present the challenge. As someone who has drawn in paint to explain stuff this stuff helps me learn alot faster
Live Datto is nice, feels authentic and fresh, not saying scripting is bad, but I just enjoy you swinging for the fences and it probably also saves time for you too
personally i like this style of guide and thought it made a lot of sense really quickly, especially with the diagrams
This format for explaining worked really well imo, think it could work well for the complete challenges video!!
Without watching the video, I agree with the title. I have completed this raid and encounter only a single time and my fireteam did this encounter flawlessly first try. It was explained to me, we started the encounter, and i asked questions for clarity as we went. I was even sent inside 2 of the 3 rotations and it was fine. When we finished, my genuine reaction was "Wow, that really wasn't as bad as people made it seem."
On a list of shit im not going to do in Destiny 2, this has got to be toward the top.
Real! (But I will watch this video in its entirety and pretend to understand) 😅
I did it but to be honest? It's not even fun. Its just annoying lmao. Like there needs to be a healthy balance of 'wow this is fun, but dang its hard' it shouldnt be JUST annoying. I personally think they missed the gameplay mark here (for me) but all content doesn't need to be curated to me and thats okay. I'll just not do it lmao.
The whole actual point of this encounter is to make a 3D shape that doesn’t include the ones that were called out for each statue.
You’re essentially creating the *same* key on the outside and inside for the guardian that’s trapped to come out. Call outs starting left to right (or right to left however you prefer)
Example - if you start with CTS, dissector will make a call out of SSCCTT *or* TTSSCC.
If you happen to be the left statue on the inside you are going to either make a cube or prism *according* to the callout made by the outside team.
If your key that you have made matches the same statue on the outside, you can walk-out.
This is the actual encounter and its purpose. Incase if anyone hasn’t noticed this is exactly how it works by *default* even if you’re not doing challenge.
I noticed this when running this encounter on the first few weeks of its release.
One way to think about this is:
- dissection creates the perfect shapes, *shifting one spot to the LEFT of the read positions for the perfect shapes*
- CST
- shift left
- would be cube / pyramid / sphere
- inside does all their normal trades, and then one final single trade each: *send the person to your RIGHT the symbol you've got that isn't theirs*
- CST
- C on left ends with S / T
- sending one room to your right which is mid
- should send T instead of S because S is "their own"
You could flip inside and outside doing left and right, since as Datto points out, there's two ways to solve it with perfect shapes, this is just the direction that makes sense to me.
I remember posting in a handful of channels and discord stuff if people could just do perfect shapes to make a key and get out but no one was willing to Try it. It is cool to know that that is an option I also wanted to try for the inside room having 1 person get all of the shapes and then just distribute them out as a means of taking the other 2 out of the picture in case they did not know how to do it I think that should also work
Instead of adding a phase, why not just have everyone with double of a shape give both their shapes to the same statue? Like, instead of one to each, you just check the callouts to see if you send both your shapes to left, mid, or right and then everyone is done.
Simplified in a way that made me understand it:
Inside:
Do first and third phase as normal
Second phase, do everything as normal. Once everyone has both symbols that their statue is not holding, dunk symbols into the statue that the outside tells you to dunk in. (The second phase symbol distribution still needs to happen, think of it as the trigger to be able to go through the wall.)
Ex. Inside statue callouts are Circle, Triangle, Square. This means the final symbols all inside players should be holding to leave will be: Left: Square and Square. Middle: Circle and Circle. Right: Triangle and Triangle. Typically, this should be put in the text chat as: CTS SSTTCC
Get everyone even (if you do that step)
Give away your shapes as normal
Once everyone has their shapes that their statue is not holding, dunk the symbols in the statue that needs it according to the challenge rules (for this example, Squares in left, Triangles in Middle, Circles in Right)
Once that is done, kill both your knights and pick up both symbols. So long as the outside has done their jobs correctly, you should be able to leave the room at this point, challenge complete.
As for the outside, I don't really know how to explain dissections. After doing dissections for the challenge, what I can say is that if you don't already have a very solid grasp of dissecting, you should not be doing it for the challenge. You are creating the corresponding 3D shape of the final inside callouts according to the challenge. So for my example, you will be creating Cube, Pyramid and Sphere (SSTTCC)
We are using 340 as callouts for the Symbols and every content creator is using CTS. It is so confusing to watch every time
Pro tip for Dissection, especially on Master- I’m sure that many people take the approach of solving for one statue first, which makes sense, but the All Doubles randomization will make that difficult to do if you’re using the shapes efficiently (one of each before any repeats). Seems stupid or unnecessary but just having a teammate pick up the unwanted shape to keep the spawns moving can be really helpful so that you can use 2 shapes back to back. It’s slightly slower than optimal but mentally speaking it’ll be smoother, given that you’ll have Inside callouts in your ear & master-level enemies to deal with.
Tried it out for the first time last night since 2 members of our raid team always opted to skip it previous weeks. It's not bad at all once you've done it right once, and I hope more people lose their fear of this encounter
Fortunately, the challenge is only different 1 time so its not bad : D
Thanks Datto! That's super helpful trying to complete this.
Don’t forget this.
For special round (prime shape round. Round 2) if the 2D rooms start out doubled up, you MUST split. Before re distributing to the TTSSCC locations. You cant get away with immediately sending to TTSSCC locations as it wont remove the shadows.. The shadows need to be removed or it won’t let you out.
We wiped on this once. Hopefully it helps you not make the same mistake 🤟
My team and I instead of doubling up in second phase, we just send our shapes to whatever 1 each obviously and just waited for the dissect guy to tell us what 3d shapes he's making to deposit what we need inside
It's true, I haven't raided in 5+ years yet I like to watch Datto videos. And so here I am.
Me watching this entire video with zero understanding of the basic encounter
I feel like I've been flashbanged with words and also had a stroke.
You don't need an extra step. That's making things harder than it needs to be.
Normal round - double up and then gift to each
Perfect shape round - distribute to each and then make the double where it's needed.
Takes out a whole set of transfers in that middle round saving loads of time and confusion.
It was so much easier when we stopped doubling up to start on that second round.
Loved this format
God that into was so real. I barely play destiny rn. I’m just stuck on my first descendent addiction
I like it when you do live vs scripted, feels natural
Datto calling me out in the first 10 seconds like that, I feel so seen
For people that don’t need 14 mins to understand. Encounter needs 3 jailbreaks (inside peeps makes keys and leave 3 times)
1) normal jailbreak - you should know how
2) double up on shape (not yours ie T) leave with CC or SS
3) back to normal
Get your adept rolls and next week your title
Hey…look those dungeons aren’t gonna run themselves
wow this is so easy lmao, thanks for the clean and concise explanation datto o7
I'll return and watch this again when I need it
Very helpful. More stuff like this please.
Got it done last night and it was a doozy lol, but ended up being simpler than we thought.
The intro is on point on how I feel about raiding in the game. Post pantheon, raiding just feels terrible lol
Datto is talking over my FAVORITE SONG!!
Internal thought before watching 💭 f it I’ll watch even though I haven’t even done the raid yet…… Dattos introduction - welcome
Datto raid guide music jump delight. I can confirm that this challenge is not THAT hard once you know. It break my brain a little figuring it out though.
There was no need to attack me in the manner you did from the rip
After doupleing up you send your two Ts for example to the guy needing the Ts called out by the outside player... outside player just calls who needs what. No extra step
no i literally haven't raided in 3 years, but i still watch these
This challenge was not too bad, if it wasn’t for the god forsaken unstops camping your ghosts while fractured, and the cloak difficulty modifier.
I don’t raid, but I do come here for the Raid Explanation music.
Im gonna take this challenge as the perfect excuse to have more raid guide music.
Wow! My team been doing the challenge version all this time, that’s funny.
bro didn't have to call me out like that in the first 10 seconds of the video...
wow i just got called the eff out in the first 2 seconds...
2:32 Literally added so much more brainrot to this encounter
Intro was spot on
You are all here for the information on the challenge for Verity.
I'm here for the Raid Guide Music.
We are not the same.
brutal intro. i haven't raided in months
YES the raid guide music finally comeback
YESSSSSSSSSSSS
We haven’t doubled up in ages…we just ensure we give away our starters to the ones who need em
I am someone who doesn't even raid and just likes to watch Datto videos, and I approve of this message.
I read this as, Vertically Challenged, and as a short person I felt attacked
Valid opening statement
I found this live unscripted version to be pretty helpful
My guy, just @ me next time with that intro, goddang
Intro..
Soooooo TRUE!! Literally haven't Raided in 5 Years 🤟🏽🤟🏽💯💯🎮🎮
i feel attacked by that intro datto...
Edit : RAID MUSIC IS BACK
Honestly I feel like this was more digestible than most of the guides on the encounter, in general, that I’ve seen
is that an ICEBERG sweater ? My Man!
at some point i didnt even does destiny, i just like when datto does
So quick question, when you're giving your symbols away, can't you just give your 2 circles to the person that wants the sphere instead of giving 1 to each.
Yh was wondering this, may have missed it in the vid. J replying so I get notif
Because of the shadows removed part of the encounter- essentially you need to dunk once on each statue (that’s not yours) on the inside to remove the “shadow” in it’s hand
@@ivomegaiv5864yhhh I j remembered that you couldn't have one of the starting symbols on ur wall and u have to essentially 'cleanse' ur shapes. I didn't know it was because of shadows tho. Is that something u can physically see in game?
@@ivomegaiv5864or by shadow do you mean the shape they're holding and is that why they dissappear?
@@mylankumar4109 this is correct. But the above comment is incorrect. It isn't about which statue you dunk on, it is receiving a shape from that player. At any point in order to leave you must have received a square from the square player and a triangle from the triangle player (if you are the circle player). This is why the normal double-up and split method works.
If you instead just pass one to the right or left then you will never have received a shape from the third player and thus nobody can leave.
3:00 pretty funny that you confused yourself, proving your point
Normalize number callout for Verity PLEASE.
So much easier to callout the number of sides of their shape. 0 3 4 = circle, triangle, square, so that you don’t need to deal with C potentially meaning Cube or Circle, so on and so forth.
00 = sphere…etc
You cant just describe me like that in the first minute!
The classic raid music returns ❤
Preferred this so much more!
Ooh, this is a neat way to teach this! It reminds me of Khan Academy, which I promise is a compliment 😅
That intro is accurate as hell 😅
at the main explanation, around 5:30 or so and following, wouldn't it be easier and make more sense to just send both shapes to the same person that needs them (change phase 2)? So in that example, instead of the circle person giving a circle to both other players, they just give both circles to the triangle person? Triangle gives both triangles to square, and square gives both squares to circle? Once you explained how the phases needed to end, this instantly clicked and made more sense to me, so I was surprised you didn't mention it. I don't know if this doesn't work for some reason, or just wasn't considered.
It’s not that I don’t like to raid. It’s that I don’t like to play the soul crushing, mind numbing speed dating roulette game that is finding a team on lfg.
This was good, thank you ❤
Did not come here to get called out in the first four seconds of the video.
Ive cleared that visual bug by just using an emote. Its always worked so far. The emoye I use is the caramel dancing emote
LETS GO 2 RAID MUSICS IN 2 MONTHS
Finally my opinion on the verity challenge is here
So its
Phase one: do it normal
Phase 2: do it normal. then double up again, just not with your own shape
Phase 3: do it normal
Doesnt sound hard at all.
i feel called out on the beginning of the video 😂😭
Holy shit opener caught me pants down
Genuinely i saw the way of doing the challenge and I thought it would be the easiest challenge so far in the raid ( or at least as easy as encounter 3). Apparantly I overestimated peoples ability to actually know how to do the normal way of inside without being told specifically when and where to place their shadow. The fact that the inside is literally just ONE extra shadow placing and it is confusing people is weird to me.
That intro is just savage 🤣🤣
Question: After doubling up (phase 1) can't everybody just give both shapes to the statue on their right? (With rightmost statue looping back to the 1st/left statue)
Don't know if I'm missing something but would remove step 3...?
"I dont even raid, i just like watching Dattos video." Hey thats me 🙋
Liking just because of the music. I too dont raid in D2!
Definitely I love the opening of this video you’re hilarious 😂😂😂😂 but not wrong at least for me !
I got called out at the start of the video. Haven't even played the game since Shadowkeep.