It's really not "forgotten" by the Mystery Dungeon enthusiast branch of the Roguelike community. But Torneko does tend to be overshadowed by Shiren and Pokemon Mystery Dungeon.
@@popeyedoyle6360 The 2nd and 3rd Torneko games added too many JRPG elements for my tastes, I prefer the pure no-nonsense roguelike nature of the original.
@@popeyedoyle6360 2 is definitely better. Longer story arc. More and deeper dungeons. Also game continues when you complete the story part and then new really challenging dungeons appear and you get access to 2 new classes (mage and warrior) all with their own huge list of abilities for you to unlock and find out. Torneko 1 is pretty much a subset of torneko 2. Also Torneko 2(1999) was the first game I've ever seen that had a fully fleshed out in-game achievement system implemented akin to Steam/PSNetwork etc. I spent like 800 hours trying to "platinum" it back in the day.
I prefer Torneko 1 over Torneko 2, but I haven't played 2 in a much longer time, so my opinion may change. I haven't played Torneko 3 yet (waiting on the fan translation for the GBA version), but I have played a good chunk of Dragon Quest Mystery Dungeon: Young Yangus, and despite it only being in Japanese, it's my favorite of the mystery dungeon games.
@@popeyedoyle6360 the others (not Torneko) are all on the switch and chocobo's mystery dungeon every buddy is 2 player (skip the dlc bs as buddy chocobo is a job for second player when characters like vid and first player jobs are included in the game). Shiren has minesweeper btw and puzzles they didn't market for some reason. Rescue system is a little weird as it's not co-op. Does feel good to buy the modern releases of stuff I emulated as a kid, especially when they go on sale (though pokemon you'd probably have to buy through a retailer/reseller's sale). I only played the 3ds super Pokemon mystery dungeon. It's fun though it sucks to only save in dungeons when the game prompts you to and not as you feel like in the other games. I do like the dialogue more than switch version.
The sequel to this game was on the Playstation, and actually released in the west as Torneko the Last Hope. Its definitely worth a look, too. Especially if you're looking for something more official.
Would love to see you review Snoopy's Concert. It was a Japanese exclusive Peanuts game that has an English fan translation. The music was done by the same composer as Earthbound from what I have read and I think it's SNES Mouse compatible
This is an incredibly underrated game in my opinion and it's really nice to see it start to get a lot more attention. It feels like Dragon Quest has really gone to another level in the West since DQ11's release and it's nice to see people go back to these classic Japan only games! Hopefully we'll see a remaster on Switch at some point because it's absolutely perfect for that format!
I mean apparently it's an entire trilogy that the US only got the middle game never the first and never the third. The third game was released apparently on PS2 and GBA, and yes very much I think a collection for current consoles would be in order for sure.
Just got a used copy of shiren the wanderer for the DS. 13 dollars CAD plus only 1 dollar for shipping. Just got it last night. Used paypal bucks from online surveys. So worth the price.
The weird thing is I already own this game but its a selled copy that I got for 20 bucks. Also had a copy before that but there was some dumb sticky junk on the cover and it got ripped when I tried to clean it. The ripped cover drove me crazy (fully ripped off).
Fun fact: Lady Stalker on SFC also started its development as a spin-off of DQ4, which should have starred princess Alena and her two bodyguards. That’s why Lady is accompanied by two similar looking dudes in her game. While DQ5 did not get a specific spin-off, Enix and later Square Enix continued the tradition of popular side characters getting spin-offs with DQ6 (spin-off: Dragon Quest Monsters), DQ7 (spin-off: Dragon Quest Monsters Caravan Heart) and DQ8 (spin-off: Young Yangus & The Mysterious Dungeon), which each featured the most popular companion of their respective games (Terry, Kiefer and Yangus).
Happy New Year, SNESDrunk! While Shiren series builds a lot from this, Taloon/Torneko is such a fun character and game has so much charm (just like most DQ spinoffs)
I've actually beaten this game a few weeks ago, now i'm kinda addicted to Mystery Dungeon games, would definetely recommend "Shiren the Wanderer" the pseudo-sequel of this game. It's either really fun or frustrating depending on what you find and the lower dungeon levels are downright nerve wrecking when basically everything can crush you with a single sniff and some monsters can basically kill you just by being on the same room as you. The magic of the game comes into play when you have to squeeze every single drop of value from your items.
Happy New Year SNESDrunk! 2022 will be the year of SNESDrunk! Interesting to see this is a spinoff of a DW character...this reminds me of Dragon Crystal for the Game Gear, which I had growing up. The randomization of levels, and items.
This game sold quite well in Japan actually, and it appears on many people's top 10 lists regarding RPGs and the like! It's really fun overall, I quite liked it as well.
@@blacksheephero2539 At least it got popular enough in the West to get the new games released too, including the remakes of the titles that were not released on it's day.
I played this last week because of Mike Matei. There are actually 3 dungeons. A trial dungeon, the Mystery Dungeon, and then a Bonus Dungeon. The Mystery Dungeon is more of a Roguelite rather than a Roguelike which is my issue with this review. You can grind to win this game so it's a lot easier than what it's made out in the video. You just need to dive the dungeon enough to build up the vault so you can take more items into the dungeon and then buff up those items up using BiKill/Upper scrolls and then use Outside scrolls to repeat the process. The safe that allows you to keep half your gold is always on floor 10. You get the Happiness Box on around floor 27 and when you do that the end credits roll but if you reset after the credits and go back into your game the towns grows again and if you open the Happiness Box in the temple and leave town you'll enter the Bonus Dungeon. The Bonus Dungeon is a Roguelike as you can't bring items in and it's harder because Scrolls/Herbs are left unidentified. If you do the Bonus Dungeon you really ought to seek out the japanese guides for the game because the english languages guides are pretty terrible.
What you're describing is a very elaborate cheesing strategy and not something that would occur naturally. Also there's a high risk you can lose all of carefully crafted collected aids as all it takes is a shitty trap and getting surrounded on low hp.
There was a PS1 version of Mystery Dungeon that came out in North America for the PS1 but it's very, very hard to find. I think it is the rarest of all Dragon Quest / Dragon Warrior games.
ah. it's been a long (near) 2 months away. but i'm back up and running. and nothing makes me feel better than another of SD's classic vids. plus, not to forget SD's useful accompanying stats...oh wait, i keep forgetting, of course you aren't SD ;) keep up the good work my friend and i will see you on the next video. much love. (you're secret is safe with me)
"Torneko's Theme" appears in Dragon Quest Builders 2 as well and I got that stuck in my head for ages. I had no idea it was called that, or that it originally came from such an older game! I'm happy to learn that an orchestral version exists, as the DQB2 synth isn't the best. Thanks for mentioning what led you to this game, I am now gonna check out all the Orchestral Game Concerts.
This game is awesome, the most adictive one in the SNES library (for me). There was a PS1 version, which was basicaly the same game with slightly improved graphics.
And unless I'm mistaken that game actually got a worldwide release or at least a release in the US remember it distinctly. Or rather I remember the ads for it in magazines.
My introduction to Mystery Dungeon style games, or traditional roguelikes in general (AKA just actual roguelikes) was Azure Dreams for PS1. I absolutely loved the simultaneous grid based movement, randomized everything, and addictive gameplay loop, as well as the many ridiculously ambitious features of that title. I have since discovered and played a lot of other similar games like Shiren and Rogue and such. Still haven't played this one yet, despite that it was apparently the first Mystery Dungeon game, but it is definitely high up on my games to play list (anyway I can, of course).
Happy New Year Snesdrunk! Anyway, this game has sequels on PS1 released in 1999 (localized in the West in 2000 as Torneko: The Last Hope) and on PS2 released in 2002, which later got GBA ports in 2001 and 2004. The third game (the PS2 one) and the GBA ports of the 2nd and 3rd game stayed in Japan however. Note: The translation was supposed to coincide with the US release of the sequel but got delayed until the last version came out in 2004.
What a brilliant move to release the middle game but never the first or third. I'm kind of amazed we've still never gotten it even with all the success of games like that these days. Who knows maybe we'll get a collection someday.
@@mikeydavidson9795 I'm not surprised, I can't think of a single copy of ever seen complete or otherwise. That seems to be par for the course for games like this.
it's the first roguelike in the Mystery Dungeon series, the second one dropped the Dungeon Quest license and started the Shiren series, I have it, the PSX sequel is pretty great too
Dude, I was sold as soon as I saw Taloon, I thought that was him on the thumb nail! I always did like Taloon's part of DQ4. So I will be checking this out .. right now!
This is a nice review and an interesting game. For some reasons your description of the game reminds of of Azure Dream for the PS1 (without the monster hunter aspect), which I’ve played way to much back in the day. Anyway: I was lucky to buy an original cartridge of this game at my local retro game store for small bucks right after I’ve watched your review. Yay.
Oh wow. SNES Drunk mentioned Feda. That's an interesting game and I don't think Drunk has reviewed it yet. It's basically a SNES version of Shining Force.
I actually played a lot of this game. The coolest thing is how your shop grows as you go along. I always wanted to see the shops final evolution, but at some point I just gave up. Like you said, its brutally difficult even when you learn to play carefully.
Cool. I did recently learn that one of the main developers of the first Dragon Quest loved to play Rouge and would later create the Mystery Dungeon series, but I didn't know that the first game was a Dragon Quest spin-off.
I just played Shiren the Wanderer 5 on the switch, which was super fun. I’ve been wanting to try this one out too. To anyone curious about the mystery dungeon series, rogue likes/lites games, you should def try one of these games, you might just like it. I know I’m hooked and will be coming back to this style in the future. Shout out to SNESDRUNK for showing me the Shiren SFC game that helped get me here! ❤️👍🏼
¨... the kind of stuff that gets stuck in your head and drives you insane months later because you can´t put your finger on where you heard it before...¨ And THAT is why I have so much appreciation for your music compilations... You have no idea HOW MANY sanity points I have recovered thanks to them. One of the reasons, anyway.
It's astounding how they pretty much solidified most of the basics of this genre in this game. And I love how most games in the genre take a lot of elements like monsters and spells from this game and adapt them into their own universe. If someone is interested in the genre, I can suggest Touhou Gensou Wanderer Reloaded. It's a great game in the genre with so much content.
not really, this game took pretty much everything from computer roguelikes that are much older, the main thing this series did was making roguelike work well on consoles, it's a very accessible game but by the time it came out there were dozens of roguelikes on micro computers. Rogue pretty much had all the basics, they're called Roguelikes for a reason
This might be forgotten by the public, but it's a major pillar of Japanese Roguelikes. And for those who only found out about these games because of Pokemon or Etrian Odyssey, there's a wealth of titles to explore.
I didn't know Toneko STARTED the Mystery Dungeon franchise. He's such an oddball powerhouse in Dragon Quest. I liked the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series but that's as far as I went until I recently played Shiren and the Tower of Fortune and the Dice of Fate and WOAH NELLY its just ... brutal. Love the look, the world, the music and all of the mechanics aside from that PUNT YOU BACK TO SQUARE ONE bit, eesh
Anyone interested in trying this game, might be better to try the sequel first: ""Torneko: The Last Hope." It came out for PS1 in North America and helped with the difficulty curve with easier initial dungeons.
I just like seeing all the DQ monsters in a game I didn't even know about. I've also been enjoying pixel art "rogue-lites" on PC lately. Tangledeep (turn-based/grid) and Rogue Heroes: Ruins of Tasos (Zelda-like) are excellent and inexpensive on Steam. I do like having some measure of progression that stays with you, though.
Glad to see you back! I always wonder if the huge amount of Japan exclusive games is because gaming is more accepted over there, or are American distributers more cynical about the profits to be made from a particular game, or some other factor.
This game had 2 direct and 1 indirect sequels Torneko no daibouken 2 / Torneko last hope (PS1, 1999) Torneko no daibouken 3 (PS2/GBA, 2002) Dragon Quest: Shounen Yangus to Fushigi no Dungeon (PS2, 2006)
The Genesis got a very similar game called Fatal Labyrinth (and believe me, the labyrinth really was fatal). It just didn't have that Super NES spit-polish that this does.
Awesome video as always. I got to say rogue likes have never been my thing. Everything is random and brutally difficult. No thanks. Not my cup of tea. Thanks for sharing I hope you have a great rest of your day
Definitely like this game more than Fatal Labyrinth on Genesis, or Dragon Crystal on Master System. The PS1 sequel to this was released in English IIRC.
Yeah the original Super Famicom version was pretty popular in Japan but is pretty unknown outside the country. The sequel which was on the playstation is much better known, however.
Looks a lot like dragon warrior monsters in the GBC from a structure standpoint. Both are dragon quest side games, both are randomly generated dungeons, with turn based combat and layout of the maps is nearly identical. I wonder if the same designers worked on both .
oh my god I didnt know this kind of game exists on the snes. It reminds me Azure Dreams on the PS1 since it shares pretty much the same elements: random generated dungeons, always starts at level 1, 'mini turn' based combat. So if you like this game check out Azure Dreams.
A fantastic start to a fantastic subgenre. While I think I prefer some of the other entries to this one, like Fatal Labyrinth (which actually came out earlier?) or Chocobo's Dungeon, I'm very glad to have bought and played this one too.
The SNES but especially the super famicom was just an absolute beast. It seems like the amount of games for it were endless. Just when you think you've seen them all there's still more.
@@fmsyntheses It was and it wasn't. Mostly I just use those two for a differentiator so that people know I'm talking about Japanese games as opposed to games from anywhere else. Lots and lots and lots of games appeared on the both the original and super famicom and never appeared on its overseas counterparts.
@@fmsyntheses Yeah. I agreed that the hardware is the same like I said I use those names for differentiating. One has Japanese games the other has US/PAL games. The super Nintendo was the last time Nintendo really changed the console significantly between regions. (As far as the look goes) and of course if you have an adapter you can just play famicom games on your SNES or modify it or SD cart etc. Again I understand that technically speaking it's the same console it's just like a different shell and stuff that the hardware itself is identical. It's just way easier to say it was a famicom exclusive.
I found this one while looking for the SNES version of dragon quest 4 (they converted 1, 2, and 3). I actually liked this game quite a bit and completed it, but I really wish they had actually converted dq4 too. It was the best RPG on the NES!
La verdad es que este juego lo he jugado varias veces y la verdad es que dependiendo de los enemigos que haya en los mapas y las situaciones, hay realmente muchas cosas que son injustas en este juego. Enemigos que te confunden independientemente de donde estés, enemigos que roban experiencia, enemigos que te quitan estadísticas de manera temporal e incluso permanente. Muchas veces es todo puro rng y no importa tu estrategia.
Taloon was my favorite character in Dragon Warrior 4 (I know, to most people it's Dragon Quest, but to me the first 4 games will always be Dragon Warrior)
This sounds like a great framework for creating some amazing games. i still kinda wish there were companies making games for certain consoles like the SNES
I know this isnt the point, but technically a salad is also carbs. Bread is mostly a simple carb and salad is mostly a complex carb, but both are still carbs.
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It's really not "forgotten" by the Mystery Dungeon enthusiast branch of the Roguelike community. But Torneko does tend to be overshadowed by Shiren and Pokemon Mystery Dungeon.
What about the one for ps1? Which would say is better?
@@popeyedoyle6360 The 2nd and 3rd Torneko games added too many JRPG elements for my tastes, I prefer the pure no-nonsense roguelike nature of the original.
@@popeyedoyle6360 2 is definitely better. Longer story arc. More and deeper dungeons. Also game continues when you complete the story part and then new really challenging dungeons appear and you get access to 2 new classes (mage and warrior) all with their own huge list of abilities for you to unlock and find out. Torneko 1 is pretty much a subset of torneko 2. Also Torneko 2(1999) was the first game I've ever seen that had a fully fleshed out in-game achievement system implemented akin to Steam/PSNetwork etc. I spent like 800 hours trying to "platinum" it back in the day.
I prefer Torneko 1 over Torneko 2, but I haven't played 2 in a much longer time, so my opinion may change. I haven't played Torneko 3 yet (waiting on the fan translation for the GBA version), but I have played a good chunk of Dragon Quest Mystery Dungeon: Young Yangus, and despite it only being in Japanese, it's my favorite of the mystery dungeon games.
@@popeyedoyle6360 the others (not Torneko) are all on the switch and chocobo's mystery dungeon every buddy is 2 player (skip the dlc bs as buddy chocobo is a job for second player when characters like vid and first player jobs are included in the game). Shiren has minesweeper btw and puzzles they didn't market for some reason. Rescue system is a little weird as it's not co-op.
Does feel good to buy the modern releases of stuff I emulated as a kid, especially when they go on sale (though pokemon you'd probably have to buy through a retailer/reseller's sale). I only played the 3ds super Pokemon mystery dungeon. It's fun though it sucks to only save in dungeons when the game prompts you to and not as you feel like in the other games. I do like the dialogue more than switch version.
The sequel to this game was on the Playstation, and actually released in the west as Torneko the Last Hope. Its definitely worth a look, too. Especially if you're looking for something more official.
Would love to see you review Snoopy's Concert. It was a Japanese exclusive Peanuts game that has an English fan translation. The music was done by the same composer as Earthbound from what I have read and I think it's SNES Mouse compatible
Incredible game. There's also a SuFami adventure game based loosely on the 90s Casper film which is worth a look. Just speaking of licenses.
I second this motion
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WOW so many unique , awesome snes games i’ve never heard of that’s paradise
Earthbound composer eh? Awesome
I wanna play brandish 2 since it’s snes mouse approved as well
This is an incredibly underrated game in my opinion and it's really nice to see it start to get a lot more attention. It feels like Dragon Quest has really gone to another level in the West since DQ11's release and it's nice to see people go back to these classic Japan only games!
Hopefully we'll see a remaster on Switch at some point because it's absolutely perfect for that format!
Dragon Quest deserves so much attention and I'm happy it's finally getting some. It's so full of charm
I mean apparently it's an entire trilogy that the US only got the middle game never the first and never the third. The third game was released apparently on PS2 and GBA, and yes very much I think a collection for current consoles would be in order for sure.
If you like this you will love Pokemon Mystery Dungeon
Torneko 2 on the Playstation is one of my favorites in the series together with Shiren for the DS. Torneko's 2 soundtrack is orchestrated.
Used copy of shiren the wander coming in a few days. I already own a copy but the label had sticky crap and was basically junk.
Torneko 2 is my grandma’s favorite game, oddly enough
Just got a used copy of shiren the wanderer for the DS. 13 dollars CAD plus only 1 dollar for shipping. Just got it last night. Used paypal bucks from online surveys. So worth the price.
The weird thing is I already own this game but its a selled copy that I got for 20 bucks. Also had a copy before that but there was some dumb sticky junk on the cover and it got ripped when I tried to clean it. The ripped cover drove me crazy (fully ripped off).
@@Mega_Mikey Your grandma rules man. Does she like the More Magical Dungeon challenge?
Fun fact: Lady Stalker on SFC also started its development as a spin-off of DQ4, which should have starred princess Alena and her two bodyguards. That’s why Lady is accompanied by two similar looking dudes in her game.
While DQ5 did not get a specific spin-off, Enix and later Square Enix continued the tradition of popular side characters getting spin-offs with DQ6 (spin-off: Dragon Quest Monsters), DQ7 (spin-off: Dragon Quest Monsters Caravan Heart) and DQ8 (spin-off: Young Yangus & The Mysterious Dungeon), which each featured the most popular companion of their respective games (Terry, Kiefer and Yangus).
Reminds me of Fatal Labyrinth for the Genesis. Have a great rest of your day as well.
Happy New Year, SNESDrunk!
While Shiren series builds a lot from this, Taloon/Torneko is such a fun character and game has so much charm (just like most DQ spinoffs)
I've actually beaten this game a few weeks ago, now i'm kinda addicted to Mystery Dungeon games, would definetely recommend "Shiren the Wanderer" the pseudo-sequel of this game.
It's either really fun or frustrating depending on what you find and the lower dungeon levels are downright nerve wrecking when basically everything can crush you with a single sniff and some monsters can basically kill you just by being on the same room as you.
The magic of the game comes into play when you have to squeeze every single drop of value from your items.
Happy New Year SNESDrunk! 2022 will be the year of SNESDrunk! Interesting to see this is a spinoff of a DW character...this reminds me of Dragon Crystal for the Game Gear, which I had growing up. The randomization of levels, and items.
This game sold quite well in Japan actually, and it appears on many people's top 10 lists regarding RPGs and the like! It's really fun overall, I quite liked it as well.
Dragon Quest always does better in Japan. It’s unfortunate because I love the franchise
@@blacksheephero2539 At least it got popular enough in the West to get the new games released too, including the remakes of the titles that were not released on it's day.
@@blacksheephero2539 Dragon Quest is starting to pick up some steam in the west
@@suburbanindie I have noticed that as well. I hope it gets huge over here and they give us all the spin-offs instead of just some
I played this last week because of Mike Matei. There are actually 3 dungeons. A trial dungeon, the Mystery Dungeon, and then a Bonus Dungeon. The Mystery Dungeon is more of a Roguelite rather than a Roguelike which is my issue with this review. You can grind to win this game so it's a lot easier than what it's made out in the video. You just need to dive the dungeon enough to build up the vault so you can take more items into the dungeon and then buff up those items up using BiKill/Upper scrolls and then use Outside scrolls to repeat the process. The safe that allows you to keep half your gold is always on floor 10. You get the Happiness Box on around floor 27 and when you do that the end credits roll but if you reset after the credits and go back into your game the towns grows again and if you open the Happiness Box in the temple and leave town you'll enter the Bonus Dungeon. The Bonus Dungeon is a Roguelike as you can't bring items in and it's harder because Scrolls/Herbs are left unidentified. If you do the Bonus Dungeon you really ought to seek out the japanese guides for the game because the english languages guides are pretty terrible.
@GretchTheZ That and it's a lot closer to being a full on roguelike than any of the real time games out there that have that label.
What you're describing is a very elaborate cheesing strategy and not something that would occur naturally.
Also there's a high risk you can lose all of carefully crafted collected aids as all it takes is a shitty trap and getting surrounded on low hp.
There was a PS1 version of Mystery Dungeon that came out in North America for the PS1 but it's very, very hard to find. I think it is the rarest of all Dragon Quest / Dragon Warrior games.
Sounds like something I should play anyway I can.
It's called World of Dragon Warrior Torneko the Last Hope. I have a copy, just the disc, tucked away inside my Dragon Warrior 7 case.
Torneko the Last Hope is the sequel to this one
Total length of video: 350 secs.
Total length of "SNES Drunk": 5.5 secs.
1.57% of the video was spent listening to "SNES Drunk".
ah. it's been a long (near) 2 months away. but i'm back up and running. and nothing makes me feel better than another of SD's classic vids. plus, not to forget SD's useful accompanying stats...oh wait, i keep forgetting, of course you aren't SD ;) keep up the good work my friend and i will see you on the next video. much love. (you're secret is safe with me)
"Torneko's Theme" appears in Dragon Quest Builders 2 as well and I got that stuck in my head for ages. I had no idea it was called that, or that it originally came from such an older game! I'm happy to learn that an orchestral version exists, as the DQB2 synth isn't the best.
Thanks for mentioning what led you to this game, I am now gonna check out all the Orchestral Game Concerts.
This game is awesome, the most adictive one in the SNES library (for me). There was a PS1 version, which was basicaly the same game with slightly improved graphics.
And unless I'm mistaken that game actually got a worldwide release or at least a release in the US remember it distinctly. Or rather I remember the ads for it in magazines.
Yes it came out really late on the PS1 and it's a tough one to find.
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Yeah I pretty much figured that.
I don't think I've ever seen a copy of that game anywhere.
My introduction to Mystery Dungeon style games, or traditional roguelikes in general (AKA just actual roguelikes) was Azure Dreams for PS1. I absolutely loved the simultaneous grid based movement, randomized everything, and addictive gameplay loop, as well as the many ridiculously ambitious features of that title. I have since discovered and played a lot of other similar games like Shiren and Rogue and such. Still haven't played this one yet, despite that it was apparently the first Mystery Dungeon game, but it is definitely high up on my games to play list (anyway I can, of course).
Oh, when reading other comments was asking myself why nobody remembered it yet :)
This reminds me strongly of fatal labyrinth for the genesis but in dragon quest form. Thanks for telling me about it. Definitely gonna check this out.
they're both traditional roguelikes, check Shiren the Wanderer for snes too and Cave Noire on gameboy :) or... well, Rogue on c64 and other systems
Also there is a shiren the wandered dice title on the swithc for like 20 USD.
@@BADC0FFEE Or PC games like Nethack, Moria, Angband, ADOM...
As one of your earlier subs (the guy who always commented about the snesdrunk intro) I love that you're still doing that intro lmao.
Hey Drunk, thanks for the video! Keep it up and have a nice rest of the year ✌🏼
There needs to be a federal position for Chief SNES Archivist. Every time I think you can’t possibly find more SNES games - ya find more.
It really does make a difference in the day hearing "I hope you have a great rest of your day", especially this early in the morning
Saw Mike Matei playing this game a few days ago and knew I had to play it. Never heard of it before that. Definitely have to check it out now!
Happy New Year Snesdrunk! Anyway, this game has sequels on PS1 released in 1999 (localized in the West in 2000 as Torneko: The Last Hope) and on PS2 released in 2002, which later got GBA ports in 2001 and 2004. The third game (the PS2 one) and the GBA ports of the 2nd and 3rd game stayed in Japan however.
Note: The translation was supposed to coincide with the US release of the sequel but got delayed until the last version came out in 2004.
What a brilliant move to release the middle game but never the first or third. I'm kind of amazed we've still never gotten it even with all the success of games like that these days. Who knows maybe we'll get a collection someday.
That ps1 game has become really expensive 🤑
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I'm not surprised, I can't think of a single copy of ever seen complete or otherwise.
That seems to be par for the course for games like this.
Happy New Year
I hope you had a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, SNES Drunk!
The sprite design in this game is *chefs kiss*
it's the first roguelike in the Mystery Dungeon series, the second one dropped the Dungeon Quest license and started the Shiren series, I have it, the PSX sequel is pretty great too
Happy new year! Both the combat and the randomization really reminds me of Fatal Labyrinth on the Genesis.
Love your videos SNESDrunk! Thanks for making such quality content. Keep up the great work!
Thanks, Drunk. I *WILL* have a great rest of my day!
I played this recently on my MiSTer. It was absolutely fantastic. It’s criminal that it was never released in the west.
Happy New Year's to you
Thanks nate joe
@@SNESdrunk thank you for your videos I enjoy them
Dude, I was sold as soon as I saw Taloon, I thought that was him on the thumb nail!
I always did like Taloon's part of DQ4. So I will be checking this out .. right now!
This is a nice review and an interesting game. For some reasons your description of the game reminds of of Azure Dream for the PS1 (without the monster hunter aspect), which I’ve played way to much back in the day.
Anyway: I was lucky to buy an original cartridge of this game at my local retro game store for small bucks right after I’ve watched your review. Yay.
Oh wow. SNES Drunk mentioned Feda. That's an interesting game and I don't think Drunk has reviewed it yet. It's basically a SNES version of Shining Force.
Always great to see Dragon Quest content, especially the obscure stuff
Welcome back SNESDRUNK. You've been missed!
Matei is playing this now.
I really like the roguelike games so I'll definitively give this one a try
I actually played a lot of this game. The coolest thing is how your shop grows as you go along. I always wanted to see the shops final evolution, but at some point I just gave up.
Like you said, its brutally difficult even when you learn to play carefully.
i played this for countless hours when it came out in the 90s when i was in college. this is truly an amazing game.
Great little bit of gaming history! I thought Shiren was the original branch of the Mystery Dungeon series!
Awesome recommendation, drunk. I hope your 2022 be a blast of year, to us all actually.
Keep up the good work, man! ;)
Cool. I did recently learn that one of the main developers of the first Dragon Quest loved to play Rouge and would later create the Mystery Dungeon series, but I didn't know that the first game was a Dragon Quest spin-off.
Forgotten? It's sitting on my shelf and I've been meaning to play it again when I clear out some more of my backlog.
I haven't really cleared my backlog but I'm playing this again
I just played Shiren the Wanderer 5 on the switch, which was super fun. I’ve been wanting to try this one out too. To anyone curious about the mystery dungeon series, rogue likes/lites games, you should def try one of these games, you might just like it. I know I’m hooked and will be coming back to this style in the future. Shout out to SNESDRUNK for showing me the Shiren SFC game that helped get me here! ❤️👍🏼
I loved the Torneko segments of Dragon Warrior IV, and I've been really curious about this one ever since! :)
Yeah!!!!!!!!! SNES Drunk is back. It’s a good day ❤️
¨... the kind of stuff that gets stuck in your head and drives you insane months later because you can´t put your finger on where you heard it before...¨
And THAT is why I have so much appreciation for your music compilations... You have no idea HOW MANY sanity points I have recovered thanks to them. One of the reasons, anyway.
It's astounding how they pretty much solidified most of the basics of this genre in this game. And I love how most games in the genre take a lot of elements like monsters and spells from this game and adapt them into their own universe.
If someone is interested in the genre, I can suggest Touhou Gensou Wanderer Reloaded. It's a great game in the genre with so much content.
not really, this game took pretty much everything from computer roguelikes that are much older, the main thing this series did was making roguelike work well on consoles, it's a very accessible game but by the time it came out there were dozens of roguelikes on micro computers. Rogue pretty much had all the basics, they're called Roguelikes for a reason
This might be forgotten by the public, but it's a major pillar of Japanese Roguelikes. And for those who only found out about these games because of Pokemon or Etrian Odyssey, there's a wealth of titles to explore.
I didn't know Toneko STARTED the Mystery Dungeon franchise. He's such an oddball powerhouse in Dragon Quest.
I liked the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series but that's as far as I went until I recently played Shiren and the Tower of Fortune and the Dice of Fate and WOAH NELLY its just ... brutal.
Love the look, the world, the music and all of the mechanics aside from that PUNT YOU BACK TO SQUARE ONE bit, eesh
HEY!! thanks for the new video!!!!! I love what you do!!! YOU'RE THE BEST!!
Wow I had no idea that the Mystery Dungeon games existed before the Pokémon Rescue Team games!
I want to thank you for the video and I hope you have a great rest of your day!
Never played this one, but i have heard of it cause the sequel for ps1 is very popular among rpg fans.
Anyone interested in trying this game, might be better to try the sequel first: ""Torneko: The Last Hope." It came out for PS1 in North America and helped with the difficulty curve with easier initial dungeons.
I just like seeing all the DQ monsters in a game I didn't even know about.
I've also been enjoying pixel art "rogue-lites" on PC lately. Tangledeep (turn-based/grid) and Rogue Heroes: Ruins of Tasos (Zelda-like) are excellent and inexpensive on Steam. I do like having some measure of progression that stays with you, though.
Also on PlayStation.
I'm looking for that game! :)
Glad to see you back! I always wonder if the huge amount of Japan exclusive games is because gaming is more accepted over there, or are American distributers more cynical about the profits to be made from a particular game, or some other factor.
Thank you snesdrunk for the great work Sir
Friendly FYI, but the G in Fushigi is a hard G! Have a good rest of the year SNES Drunk!
This game had 2 direct and 1 indirect sequels
Torneko no daibouken 2 / Torneko last hope (PS1, 1999)
Torneko no daibouken 3 (PS2/GBA, 2002)
Dragon Quest: Shounen Yangus to Fushigi no Dungeon (PS2, 2006)
Have a great rest of YOUR day bro!!! Happy New Year!!!
Roguelikes are pure unpredictable fun. I love Crypt of the Necrodancer and Pokemon Mystery Dungeon.
Mike Matei has been playing this off and on the past two weeks.
This is one of my favorite games of all time.
The Genesis got a very similar game called Fatal Labyrinth (and believe me, the labyrinth really was fatal). It just didn't have that Super NES spit-polish that this does.
This is the original mystery dungeon game.
Awesome video as always. I got to say rogue likes have never been my thing. Everything is random and brutally difficult. No thanks. Not my cup of tea. Thanks for sharing I hope you have a great rest of your day
I'm not a big fan of it, but man, Toriyama's style is unmistakable, I took one look at that thumbnail and knew those characters were designed by him.
If you get into this, try our Shiren the Wanderer. That series is so damn good!!!
Which one is better between torneko's and shiren's?
I didn't get into this genre until much later with Azure Dreams on the PlayStation. My wife still asks me to play that one now and again.
I had to go back and make some coffee for this video.
I played the ps1 port back in the day and that one was officially translated as far as I remember.
I'm not really into the Mystery Dungeon games, but it is great to see more translations coming out for Japanese-exclusive games.
huh, I thought Shiren the Wanderer came out first. funny how that shakes out.
Happy new year dude
Definitely like this game more than Fatal Labyrinth on Genesis, or Dragon Crystal on Master System. The PS1 sequel to this was released in English IIRC.
Yo, I know this video isn't about Lennus 2, but *it was mentioned, so it's fair:* play Lennus 2, it's really, really good (and the music slaps).
Yeah the original Super Famicom version was pretty popular in Japan but is pretty unknown outside the country. The sequel which was on the playstation is much better known, however.
Looks a lot like dragon warrior monsters in the GBC from a structure standpoint.
Both are dragon quest side games, both are randomly generated dungeons, with turn based combat and layout of the maps is nearly identical.
I wonder if the same designers worked on both .
oh my god I didnt know this kind of game exists on the snes. It reminds me Azure Dreams on the PS1 since it shares pretty much the same elements: random generated dungeons, always starts at level 1, 'mini turn' based combat. So if you like this game check out Azure Dreams.
A fantastic start to a fantastic subgenre. While I think I prefer some of the other entries to this one, like Fatal Labyrinth (which actually came out earlier?) or Chocobo's Dungeon, I'm very glad to have bought and played this one too.
You know I've heard of the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games but never played them, wish I had now as I love Roguelike games, would definitely play this
The SNES but especially the super famicom was just an absolute beast. It seems like the amount of games for it were endless.
Just when you think you've seen them all there's still more.
The Super Famicom was the SNES.
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It was and it wasn't.
Mostly I just use those two for a differentiator so that people know I'm talking about Japanese games as opposed to games from anywhere else. Lots and lots and lots of games appeared on the both the original and super famicom and never appeared on its overseas counterparts.
@@JohnDoe-wq5eu But I mean the hardware is exactly the same. I have both of them.
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Yeah. I agreed that the hardware is the same like I said I use those names for differentiating. One has Japanese games the other has US/PAL games. The super Nintendo was the last time Nintendo really changed the console significantly between regions. (As far as the look goes) and of course if you have an adapter you can just play famicom games on your SNES or modify it or SD cart etc. Again I understand that technically speaking it's the same console it's just like a different shell and stuff that the hardware itself is identical. It's just way easier to say it was a famicom exclusive.
I found this one while looking for the SNES version of dragon quest 4 (they converted 1, 2, and 3). I actually liked this game quite a bit and completed it, but I really wish they had actually converted dq4 too. It was the best RPG on the NES!
La verdad es que este juego lo he jugado varias veces y la verdad es que dependiendo de los enemigos que haya en los mapas y las situaciones, hay realmente muchas cosas que son injustas en este juego. Enemigos que te confunden independientemente de donde estés, enemigos que roban experiencia, enemigos que te quitan estadísticas de manera temporal e incluso permanente. Muchas veces es todo puro rng y no importa tu estrategia.
Taloon was my favorite character in Dragon Warrior 4 (I know, to most people it's Dragon Quest, but to me the first 4 games will always be Dragon Warrior)
This really looks like a better "Fatal Labyrinth" on the genesis.
it's like spike chunsoft has two types of games: mystery dungeon games and danganronpa
Happy new year SNESdrunk!!! Also what do you think of Little Master on the Super Famicom?
I like these kinda games, this looks real fun & challenging!
The last one I can remember similar to this are thee DS Izuna titles
Was just watching Mike Matei play this. Looks fun.
Another game I didn't know existed.
Thanks again...
Well what I waiting for? Let's give it a chance...
May Koichi Sugiyama rest in peace.
This sounds like a great framework for creating some amazing games. i still kinda wish there were companies making games for certain consoles like the SNES
I know this isnt the point, but technically a salad is also carbs. Bread is mostly a simple carb and salad is mostly a complex carb, but both are still carbs.
Have you tried Fatal Labyrinth? It's this but for Sega Genesis. There's also a Game Gear counterpart whose name I'm blanking on.