What happened was there were two shorted cells in the pack. I used to have a capacitator discharge unit that would remove the shorts in some cells like this and then the charger generally would be able to recharge the whole pack to full voltage and not have any bad cells. The circuit was a very simple thing that charged a capacitator to about double the working voltage of the battery pack and then I would switch the circuit from charge to discharge through the battery. It sometimes required multiple cycles but was generally quicker and more reliable than disassembling the pack and trying to recover one cell at a time. I used this device on hundreds of 2 way radios that were used commercially and it extended the majority of the battery packs to double or triple the full life of the Nickel Cadmium battery packs and saved the company thousands of dollars yearly. Keep up the good work on helping recover battery packs.
Correct... old school nickel chemistry cells (particularly nicads) will develop internal shorts due to age or stress (discharging frequently to zero volts)... I have frequently recovered such cells by "zapping" them with a relatively high voltage, high current power supply. The shorts are literally blasted away using this process. Obviously care must be taken when doing this, and I certainly don't recommend it to people not familiar with what is happening. Unfortunately, when cells get to this point the recovery is typically temporary as shorts will re-develop quickly...
That shorting out of the whiskers in nicad packs is a waste of time. The whiskers will take it out of commission further down the road. Just get a new pack will solve the problem.
I brought 18v 20v li-on battery, charger and adapter to fit my old nicad Black n Decker, adapter for old nicad Dewalt. The new li-on battery fits new Black n Decker, Stanley and now have brought angle grinder. WOW all my old power tools are re-lifed with li-on battery. I am cautious not to run li-on down too low before charging but a far superior battery that holds its charge ready to go.
I would never have thought of your method but I will try it. So the charger has a recognizable threshold, how cool. Thank you for your thorough and detailed presentation. I will try it.
This is very smart. I am not an electrical genius but I do know that the principle here is hooking the D cell in parallel which forces the current to equalize between the 2 batteries and flow into the dead cell. This re-activates the dead cell and then it will take a charge from the regular charger again. Normally, the batteries are all connected in series which has a different electrical flow pattern which just ignores dead cells. The trick is getting a parallel hookup, which does not drain into the other cells, there is no need to disconnect them from the pack. This is a great way to get dead cells up and running again. A bit tedious no doubt for some, but very interesting. Thanks.
Great tip! Thank you... but a fun fact: if you take it to Batteries Plus, they can replace those two bad cells (if your charger doesn't fix them) for you at a very reasonable price. 💖🌞🌵😷
i loged in just to like this video. What is the aperage of the ac charegr you used? i belive a universal 12v is good but will a 1a do the job or it's all about the time ?
Rick Rodgers that's the same thing I was wondering. Then I realized he was measuring the top and bottom, positive to negative or vice versa and that was giving him the voltage of just the one he was checking. It would stand to reason through that it would measure all of them but I guess his way worked. Now I'll have to try one of these ways on my Craftsman 13 volt that both batteries died within a year after I bought it. My brother in laws did the same thing.
Because the batteries are connected in series, positive of one goes to negative of the next. If they were all laid out end-to-end it would be obvious, the whole circuit is just folded up to fit into the case so it's not easy to tell.
All batterys need to be at the same volts, some are lower than others it wont charge, just need to charge them all up to the same volt output, hes just charging the X ones one by one with a D battery
The principle of ‘re-activating’ a ‘dead’ cell by transferring charge demonstrated here is the same principle used to dynamically balance the charging and discharging of battery banks during their use. Anyone interested in getting the manufacturers life charge/discharge claims of a single battery used with others in a battery bank will appreciate the utility of charge balancing circuitry. This is especially true for lead acid batteries used in solar power energy storage where under charging and overcharging phenomenon gets worse with each charge/discharge cycle. The battery bank will sustain damage if some batteries are discharged below the recommended lower limit, which is certainty without charge balancing , and also occurs when some batteries are overcharge and become overheated. Dynamic balancing circuits are relatively simple circuits that either use an extra battery or a capacitor or super capacitor in exactly the same manner as shown in this video with the ‘dry’ cell only done much faster and continuously for each cell one-at-a-time during the discharging or charging of the battery bank. A dynamic charge balancer will allow the same reliability of the entire bank as that claimed by the manufacturer for a single cell. It is a small wonder that they are not ubiquitous and well known within the solar community. Dynamic balancers should not be confused with static charging balancers:two very different fish.
Exactly! The good thing of Lithium charger is that they monitor individual battery's health by BMS. Pb or Ni-MH system do not have that charging principle. This video takes care of every cell.
@@houseman4906 not every BMS is a dynamic balancer but lithium iron phosphate cells used in vehicles certainly have DB. DIY solar storage or even professionally installed systems may have a BMS but few if any have dynamic balancing because there are few sources for the hardware and the DB hardware available is limited to mostly 24V battery banks, although they can be used at 48V with reduced reliability and increased complexity in installation. With proper design and component selection it is theoretically possible to balance any number of cells in a battery bank made up of any number of parallel and series cells. All that’s needed is the market to drive the investment in the manufacturing. As I last year the only source of hardware I know of was in China. TDB
Interesting. In my work I have come across UK trucks with 24V systems using two 12V batteries in series. We needed 12V for a component and took power from one battery but had to fit a unit called a battery equaliser which took the same load from the other battery. Otherwise our load would slowly discharge its battery and the alternator would not catch it back up again. Seemed as if it stopped charging when the other battery was full regardless of the state of "our" battery. Maybe you have a similar situation with some batteries (maybe older than the rest) discharging faster and not getting fully charged?
It doesn't work in that way. The whole series of batteries would ignore those faulty one. Identify and retrieve the single faulty battery is the way to do it.
You need a voltage higher than 3.7V. Use 3 batteries of 1.5V in series or a 5V USB adapter power source. The key is to charge it with small current, like 500mA. Once it reaches 3.7V, you can put it back to normal charging. More about charging batteries, you can watch the latest video. ua-cam.com/video/dFErn2DlS7k/v-deo.html
Try using a dumb charger to push a small amperage (12v @ 0.2amps) into the whole battery pack for about 2-3 hours. Then place it on the smart charger to complete the charge.
Did just that when I cam home from holiday and my car battery was dead. Smart charger wouldn't do a thing then remembered something I'd read somewhere: Put the dumb charger across the battery for a while and then connected the smart one while the dumb was still in place. Smart charger kicked in sensing there was a charge in there and topped battery up. Been fine for nearly two years! Talking to a car mechanic since then and he says he's done it with a 9v PP3 as the seed battery.
Every battery can be done in the same way. The hardest part is how you can open the case without damaging the battery and circuit board inside, put the case back and make it work. Hope it helps!
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Questions. (1) If you are reviving individual cells, why don't you unsolder the cells apart? When connected together, isn't the current going into all the cells? (2) Why use a single D cell? If there is not a lot of current involved, why not use an AC charger? (3) Wouldn't it make more sense to replace bad cells with new ones, since those bad cells will die again soon? Aren't you just delaying the inevitable? In my time as a TV engineer, I had to test and replace rechargeable cells in news photographer's battery packs. (Back when cameras were all analog and recorded on videotape.) If a cell went bad in those heavy battery belts, we threw it away and soldered in a replacement. That makes more sense than using electroshock to give a bad cell ten more minutes of life.
Thanks to your professional comment. This method is the easiest way to retrieve batteries that is not dead, without the need to disconnect them. Provided that the voltage between cells are similar, there is not much current flow between them. Using a D cell is more convenient and easier to connect than some AC charger with 5.5 mm or 3.5mm plugs. Of course, some charger with varies wires and connectors would also be a choice. If the batteries are very old or don't hold charge, ie. voltage keeps dropping while you test them, the batteries will die again in short time. In that case, change the bad cell would be the only choice. Since the price of most cordless drills is all about the battery. Sometimes a drill including a battery could cost you double more than another one without it. This video is to inspire people who want to keep their battery with may be only one or two cells are faulty.
I know it is difficult to find a new charger for this model. What you can do alternatively is to buy a universal balance charger that can charge any type of battery on any number of cells. It comes with different connecting wire that should be suitable for the drill battery. Try searching on “Lipo balance charger” or here www.amazon.co.uk/Haisito-Battery-Charger-Discharger-Connectors/dp/B08R1QXNC4
You can use a charger like this as well . ua-cam.com/video/MfUKdFOAJDY/v-deo.html I recently made this video from your comment to let people know what a balance charger can do.
what happens when you take a good working drill and attach it to a dead battery drill and then you use the good drill to spin the bad drill. when ever you force an electric motor to spin with out electric that motor is now generating power back into the cell battery i aint tried it.. but it makes scence to me..
"last time was not good"...does that mean you had done this whole thing before, fixed them, and now you have to do it again? If so the batteries are crap. Or was it just pre prep work for the video. I want to know in case I do this and find my batteries end up crap again after a short time. Thanks.
It depends on the status of the batteries. It could be a permanent fix if the battery is just below the threshold coz of lack of use. It could be temporary fix if the battery is really bad. It is my second try in the video as I didn’t use my drill regularly. If you use yours every now and then, it would keep the voltage up, you would be fine. It’s worth to try.
It depends on the health of the battery. It could be a permanent fix but also be a temporary one. The video give a brief idea of how a battery could be back to life with a little trick.
You can take a look at the voltage of the charger, use a variable power source with that voltage with small current which is around 1/10 of the original mAh.
You can use “tickle method”. Connect the charger “+ve” to battery “+ve”. “-ve” to “-ve”. Disconnect and reconnect the “+ve” lead on fast motion. Like 3 times per second. Lithium battery has protection circuit board inside so it may not always successful.
Red light is always on, keeps charging. It is perhaps the battery loosing charge while it is charging. Even you can drill a few holes but the charge will not hold. It will drop below threshold very quickly and you can use the method in this video to bring it up.
@@houseman4906 The batteries does not take any current, i even used a battery pack charger for NiCD and charge current was zero. I used your vide to rise voltage of one of the 6 batteries that was in 0.5, the other are in 1.2V-1.3V. I thought that was the problem but did not work. What is the max voltage i can put in a nice battery 1.2V ? I want to try to use the instruction in to video to force a bit of current in, but i do not know what's the max voltage per battery. Thanks for the response.!
You need to find out how many cells are in your 40v battery. In his case it was 12v / 10 cells = 1.2v per cell. Just do the matb and use a battery that is close to the result. I'm betting yours are the same just more if them.
Car battery has huge capacity, can't use a single dry cell to raise it's voltage. What you may try is to use a steady electrical charger (at 14.4V) to charge it up, it takes hours to do so even the battery is healthy.
It is a Duracell dry cell at 1.5V, there are some more videos talk about upgrading the Ni-MH to Lithium one. It would be more powerful and sustainable.
The pack is worn out. You might get it working a little, but it won't take a load like a good battery. Just like you can charge a old car battery up and get a few cranks. It isn't dependable power. Time for a new one.
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I only see one battery made from 10 cells. Do you have 6 batteries in your car, or just one battery with 6 cells inside? It's like interchanging flour and bread.
Is there a way you have tested, to restore a dead lithium ion batteries? They have a printed circuit and plenty of electronics embedded.. mine is 18v. Ryobi.
To test lithium battery, you can also use the same method. The circuit board is there to manage the charging and discharging, with temperature control as well. You can either test individual battery directly. The fully charged voltage is 4.2V, minimum is 3.7V. Any voltage below 3.7V would prevent the battery from charging that is apparently "dead". You can use a 5V supply with 300mA to 500mA current to "activate" it. or you can replace the faulty one easily if it is a 18650 type battery. Beware the polarity of battery and don't short circuit any part as Lithium battery is very high power when fully charged. Good luck.
Wow, ok so thank you very much for the info! I’ve read pretty far down the comments and I feel like some people may be missing the point a bit. Yes, replacing the problem cells is of course the better idea, HOWEVER. . . Anyone that has used such a tool to make a living will agree that battery packs tend to leave you hanging at the worst possible moments. I couldn’t say hot many times I only needed to drill a couple more holes when my drill just dies and the backups haven’t charged at all. Amazon isn’t going to save me an extra trip the following day to finish that job, is it? And of course finding a store that sells anything affordable at the end of the workday during rush hour isn’t always even a possibility. Anyway, about voltage test accuracy questions, as long as all the individual batteries are connected in series, and disconnected from the load (drill) each battery is practically isolated from the others. If there was a charge indicator led or active Battery Management System in the circuit that allowed some current flow, his voltmeter will read everything just fine. Certainly “accurate enough” for what he is showing us anyway. Once again, thank you for posting this, I cannot wait to make good use of this knowledge next time I’m in a jam. And yes, I understand it may not work in some cases. But it just might work and save me or someone else a lot of time and money and stress! 👍🏼
I’ve tried to recharge dead batteries like this, but these bad batteries do not hold charge for long. The battery pack will quickly run out after a few screws. The reason that these dead batteries have zero volts is because internally, there is a leakage ghat drains the battery. You can not really fix the dead ones. If there were still some residual voltage left, then you may recharge it and it will hold the charge.
That looks slow and tedious. Why not connect two 9v batteries to the battery without having to take the battery apart and charging each cell individually?
Are you sure about that as no sensor is involved between batteries? I've seen videos of batteries being revived by connecting the B+ to B+ and B- to B- terminals on other types of batteries
It is a good video presentation except for his verbal redundancy perhaps due to limitations in language expression. I found myself filling in the blanks for him. It would have been better if he had read the steps of the process from a script to avoid the redundancy.
If you believe this works I got some oceanfront property in Arizona for you, and I love that cheesy $2 tester trying to act like you know what you're doing got everyone on here don't have a clue
Seriously?... There stuffed old Ni-Cd cells which will NEVER hold a good charger ever again due the memory effect of there chemistry! Just replace them with 3 X 18650's & a bms & problem solved permanently for years!
I am preparing a video of converting the battery into a Lithium one with 18650. Please hit the bell and come back to to this channel when it is available.
That's true, worn batteries need to replace. The method in the video is good for drills that being put aside for long, batteries drop below the charging theshold.
Ni-Cd batteries should be discharged to .85 volt per cell (8.5 volts for a 10 cell, 12 volt pack) for storage. Why do you think these cells/packs are sold/shipped discharged? To prevent charge memory from forming. Once a NI-Cd cell begins to form a charge memory they will not take a full charge, only taking what it remembers. I have 35 years working with rechargeable batteries. The only way to save that battery pack is to rebuild it. What you are doing is fooling the dumb charger (that is what that type of charger is called) into thinking that the pack is charged while all you are doing is just over charging the few good cells that are left, leading them to failure. If you put that pack on a smart charger, it would, very likely, give you a message such as "Connection Break" or "Internal Short" or it will just not go into charge mode at all (this depends on the smart charger that you are using).
That's true. I didn't use it much. So it's a bit waste if I dump it for a few faulty batteries that I can fix. I should have taken it out to charge every now and then to make sure it is serviceable.
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Cheap. available. Let's face it- if you use it only occasionally, buying an expensive drill and battery that sits around and then fails is still a waste.. That's why I prefer good ole 120V wall plugged drills. edit: Why ? Because many people don't use them frequently enough to warrant buying the more expensive drills. On average, I may use a drill 1 to 2 times a year for 5 minutes each.
Personally I hate stupid battery tools! I have many, some are better than others but sooner or later you'll need to buy expensive battery replacement or new tools! Scam!!!
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How do you justify 23.21 minutes for this? I refuse to watch any videos that gives limited information longer than three minutes. Exploitative and stupid.
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Hi there ... I believe that the Duracell's being .2 to .3 volts bigger in voltage, than the drills' 1.2 volts(the duracell is 1.5 volts.) causes the power (ie. volts) to flow from the stronger device (duracell 1.5v.) to the drill batt. (1.2 v.) Hope that helps some !
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What happened was there were two shorted cells in the pack. I used to have a capacitator discharge unit that would remove the shorts in some cells like this and then the charger generally would be able to recharge the whole pack to full voltage and not have any bad cells. The circuit was a very simple thing that charged a capacitator to about double the working voltage of the battery pack and then I would switch the circuit from charge to discharge through the battery. It sometimes required multiple cycles but was generally quicker and more reliable than disassembling the pack and trying to recover one cell at a time. I used this device on hundreds of 2 way radios that were used commercially and it extended the majority of the battery packs to double or triple the full life of the Nickel Cadmium battery packs and saved the company thousands of dollars yearly. Keep up the good work on helping recover battery packs.
Correct... old school nickel chemistry cells (particularly nicads) will develop internal shorts due to age or stress (discharging frequently to zero volts)... I have frequently recovered such cells by "zapping" them with a relatively high voltage, high current power supply. The shorts are literally blasted away using this process. Obviously care must be taken when doing this, and I certainly don't recommend it to people not familiar with what is happening. Unfortunately, when cells get to this point the recovery is typically temporary as shorts will re-develop quickly...
That shorting out of the whiskers in nicad packs is a waste of time. The whiskers will take it out of commission further down the road. Just get a new pack will solve the problem.
@@williamzwit4308 Buying new is not an option if they no longer make the model you have.😢
Why don't you put a video up on UA-cam for us to see?
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I brought 18v 20v li-on battery, charger and adapter to fit my old nicad Black n Decker, adapter for old nicad Dewalt. The new li-on battery fits new Black n Decker, Stanley and now have brought angle grinder. WOW all my old power tools are re-lifed with li-on battery. I am cautious not to run li-on down too low before charging but a far superior battery that holds its charge ready to go.
That's good all tools are re-lifed with the new Li-on battery. good!
You have saved me the cost of replacing three 14 volt batteries, thank you
Glad to hear that. Thanks for watching my channel. Some more ideas in further videos may interest you.
@@houseman4906 I appreciate your channel.
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I would never have thought of your method but I will try it. So the charger has a recognizable threshold, how cool. Thank you for your thorough and detailed presentation. I will try it.
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Hope this video inspire you to have your drill batteries fixed.
You put a lot of work into your presentation and I thank you. I will give it a try.
Thanks, it's not difficult to do it
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This is very smart. I am not an electrical genius but I do know that the principle here is hooking the D cell in parallel which forces the current to equalize between the 2 batteries and flow into the dead cell. This re-activates the dead cell and then it will take a charge from the regular charger again. Normally, the batteries are all connected in series which has a different electrical flow pattern which just ignores dead cells. The trick is getting a parallel hookup, which does not drain into the other cells, there is no need to disconnect them from the pack. This is a great way to get dead cells up and running again. A bit tedious no doubt for some, but very interesting. Thanks.
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Great video. I'm gonna have to dig out my old packs and try your method. Thanks for sharing. 👍
Please try, worth it !
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Flattery gets me nowhere but you are smart man
Great video.You can also modify the pack using 18650 lithium cells
yes. it's coming soon!
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Excellent thanks. I will give it a try soon.
Hope you can retrieve your battery.
Great tip! Thank you... but a fun fact: if you take it to Batteries Plus, they can replace those two bad cells (if your charger doesn't fix them) for you at a very reasonable price. 💖🌞🌵😷
good thanks
👍 agree that Battery Plus can do alot on battery. If you know some trick like this, you can be your own Battery Plus.
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Nicely check step by step
Glad you liked it
Good Job !hHow did you manage to solder 2 wires to a "D" Duracell battery without sparking and discharging the Duracell battery?
Make sure the wires doesn't touch each other. Before soldering, rub the poles with sand paper, it makes soldering easier.
i loged in just to like this video. What is the aperage of the ac charegr you used? i belive a universal 12v is good but will a 1a do the job or it's all about the time ?
Thanks for your LIKE and support. The AC charger is original DC15V 1A 15W. It takes about 4 hours to charge it full from empty. :>
How are you checking the individual batteries with out taking them out of the circuit? You are measuring the entire circuit!
Rick Rodgers that's the same thing I was wondering. Then I realized he was measuring the top and bottom, positive to negative or vice versa and that was giving him the voltage of just the one he was checking. It would stand to reason through that it would measure all of them but I guess his way worked.
Now I'll have to try one of these ways on my Craftsman 13 volt that both batteries died within a year after I bought it. My brother in laws did the same thing.
Because the batteries are connected in series, positive of one goes to negative of the next. If they were all laid out end-to-end it would be obvious, the whole circuit is just folded up to fit into the case so it's not easy to tell.
All batterys need to be at the same volts, some are lower than others it wont charge, just need to charge them all up to the same volt output, hes just charging the X ones one by one with a D battery
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Wow! Very nice and helpful! Thanks! 😄
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The principle of ‘re-activating’ a ‘dead’ cell by transferring charge demonstrated here is the same principle used to dynamically balance the charging and discharging of battery banks during their use. Anyone interested in getting the manufacturers life charge/discharge claims of a single battery used with others in a battery bank will appreciate the utility of charge balancing circuitry. This is especially true for lead acid batteries used in solar power energy storage where under charging and overcharging phenomenon gets worse with each charge/discharge cycle. The battery bank will sustain damage if some batteries are discharged below the recommended lower limit, which is certainty without charge balancing , and also occurs when some batteries are overcharge and become overheated. Dynamic balancing circuits are relatively simple circuits that either use an extra battery or a capacitor or super capacitor in exactly the same manner as shown in this video with the ‘dry’ cell only done much faster and continuously for each cell one-at-a-time during the discharging or charging of the battery bank. A dynamic charge balancer will allow the same reliability of the entire bank as that claimed by the manufacturer for a single cell. It is a small wonder that they are not ubiquitous and well known within the solar community. Dynamic balancers should not be confused with static charging balancers:two very different fish.
Exactly! The good thing of Lithium charger is that they monitor individual battery's health by BMS. Pb or Ni-MH system do not have that charging principle. This video takes care of every cell.
@@houseman4906 not every BMS is a dynamic balancer but lithium iron phosphate cells used in vehicles certainly have DB. DIY solar storage or even professionally installed systems may have a BMS but few if any have dynamic balancing because there are few sources for the hardware and the DB hardware available is limited to mostly 24V battery banks, although they can be used at 48V with reduced reliability and increased complexity in installation. With proper design and component selection it is theoretically possible to balance any number of cells in a battery bank made up of any number of parallel and series cells. All that’s needed is the market to drive the investment in the manufacturing. As I last year the only source of hardware I know of was in China. TDB
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Can the charger Battery be replaced?
great vid
Wow. I didnt know that. Amazing!!👍👍👍
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Interesting. In my work I have come across UK trucks with 24V systems using two 12V batteries in series. We needed 12V for a component and took power from one battery but had to fit a unit called a battery equaliser which took the same load from the other battery. Otherwise our load would slowly discharge its battery and the alternator would not catch it back up again. Seemed as if it stopped charging when the other battery was full regardless of the state of "our" battery. Maybe you have a similar situation with some batteries (maybe older than the rest) discharging faster and not getting fully charged?
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There's another way..connect spades to two prong without dismantling..connect to another battry same voltage ⚡
Should I use 10dry batteries connect together to charger the dead battery without opening?
It doesn't work in that way. The whole series of batteries would ignore those faulty one. Identify and retrieve the single faulty battery is the way to do it.
@@houseman4906 Thanks. I will try.
For to reattivate a 3.7V battery lithium what's the battery can i use? 2 battery of 1,5V in series?
You need a voltage higher than 3.7V. Use 3 batteries of 1.5V in series or a 5V USB adapter power source. The key is to charge it with small current, like 500mA. Once it reaches 3.7V, you can put it back to normal charging.
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Try using a dumb charger to push a small amperage (12v @ 0.2amps) into the whole battery pack for about 2-3 hours. Then place it on the smart charger to complete the charge.
Did just that when I cam home from holiday and my car battery was dead. Smart charger wouldn't do a thing then remembered something I'd read somewhere: Put the dumb charger across the battery for a while and then connected the smart one while the dumb was still in place. Smart charger kicked in sensing there was a charge in there and topped battery up. Been fine for nearly two years!
Talking to a car mechanic since then and he says he's done it with a 9v PP3 as the seed battery.
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Can the dji drone battery be done in that same way? Like to have your opinion.
Every battery can be done in the same way. The hardest part is how you can open the case without damaging the battery and circuit board inside, put the case back and make it work. Hope it helps!
No! The battery packs for these drones use Li-ion cells. If you don't know what you are doing, don't even attempt to open these types of packs.
I just plug a set of jumper wires from my good battery to the dead one, let it set for 5 minutes then stick it on the charger, works good everytime
Cool!
How do you. Rejuvenate a Bosh cordless drill driver?
Same way if its 18v just need a bigger charging source
Or you may change the faulty battery with a good one with the same voltage and mAh.
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Just take the pack down to Battery’s+. They replace the entire insides to work better than factory at a fraction of the cost of a new pack
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Questions. (1) If you are reviving individual cells, why don't you unsolder the cells apart? When connected together, isn't the current going into all the cells? (2) Why use a single D cell? If there is not a lot of current involved, why not use an AC charger? (3) Wouldn't it make more sense to replace bad cells with new ones, since those bad cells will die again soon? Aren't you just delaying the inevitable? In my time as a TV engineer, I had to test and replace rechargeable cells in news photographer's battery packs. (Back when cameras were all analog and recorded on videotape.) If a cell went bad in those heavy battery belts, we threw it away and soldered in a replacement. That makes more sense than using electroshock to give a bad cell ten more minutes of life.
Thanks to your professional comment.
This method is the easiest way to retrieve batteries that is not dead, without the need to disconnect them. Provided that the voltage between cells are similar, there is not much current flow between them.
Using a D cell is more convenient and easier to connect than some AC charger with 5.5 mm or 3.5mm plugs. Of course, some charger with varies wires and connectors would also be a choice.
If the batteries are very old or don't hold charge, ie. voltage keeps dropping while you test them, the batteries will die again in short time. In that case, change the bad cell would be the only choice.
Since the price of most cordless drills is all about the battery. Sometimes a drill including a battery could cost you double more than another one without it. This video is to inspire people who want to keep their battery with may be only one or two cells are faulty.
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I have many B&D 12 volt batteries.My problem is that I don't have a charger. Do you know where I can purchase a charger like yours?
I know it is difficult to find a new charger for this model. What you can do alternatively is to buy a universal balance charger that can charge any type of battery on any number of cells. It comes with different connecting wire that should be suitable for the drill battery.
Try searching on “Lipo balance charger” or here
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I have done it on my drill. Save my money to buy new one😊
Good to know that!
I still have some ni-cad battery packs. Got to try this out. I wonder if this will work with lith-ion.
Same method can be applied to LI-ON battery, just beware of the suitable voltage.
Pretty ingenious.
Very helpful
You are welcome.
what happens when you take a good working drill and attach it to a dead battery drill and then you use the good drill to spin the bad drill. when ever you force an electric motor to spin with out electric that motor is now generating power back into the cell battery i aint tried it.. but it makes scence to me..
Merci beaucoup pour cette information .
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The only problem with doing this is that as soon as you apply any load it just dies really fast once the cells are damaged that's it
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"last time was not good"...does that mean you had done this whole thing before, fixed them, and now you have to do it again? If so the batteries are crap. Or was it just pre prep work for the video. I want to know in case I do this and find my batteries end up crap again after a short time. Thanks.
It depends on the status of the batteries. It could be a permanent fix if the battery is just below the threshold coz of lack of use. It could be temporary fix if the battery is really bad. It is my second try in the video as I didn’t use my drill regularly. If you use yours every now and then, it would keep the voltage up, you would be fine. It’s worth to try.
How long before you have to go through this process again? Why can’t you just replace the faulty cells?
It depends on the health of the battery. It could be a permanent fix but also be a temporary one. The video give a brief idea of how a battery could be back to life with a little trick.
let it fully charge after rejuvenating the lost cells, testing with a load will drain the dead cells first.
Very logical and useful. Thank you.
I can't any of these methods to work on my Craftsman 19.2 volt lithium batteries. Thoughts?
You can take a look at the voltage of the charger, use a variable power source with that voltage with small current which is around 1/10 of the original mAh.
You can use “tickle method”. Connect the charger “+ve” to battery “+ve”. “-ve” to “-ve”. Disconnect and reconnect the “+ve” lead on fast motion. Like 3 times per second.
Lithium battery has protection circuit board inside so it may not always successful.
Some chargers have "management " controllers that can detect if a battery suddenly works and then block itself from working ..
@@houseman4906 Thanks.
@@houseman4906 That's too bad, I have few that won't charge anymore.
Interesting trick!
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what happened if the battery charges for 48hours and red light is always on.....never charges....can i stil l save them?
Red light is always on, keeps charging. It is perhaps the battery loosing charge while it is charging. Even you can drill a few holes but the charge will not hold. It will drop below threshold very quickly and you can use the method in this video to bring it up.
@@houseman4906 The batteries does not take any current, i even used a battery pack charger for NiCD and charge current was zero.
I used your vide to rise voltage of one of the 6 batteries that was in 0.5, the other are in 1.2V-1.3V. I thought that was the problem but did not work.
What is the max voltage i can put in a nice battery 1.2V ? I want to try to use the instruction in to video to force a bit of current in, but i do not know what's the max voltage per battery.
Thanks for the response.!
How do you revive a 40v battery?
You need to find out how many cells are in your 40v battery. In his case it was 12v / 10 cells = 1.2v per cell. Just do the matb and use a battery that is close to the result. I'm betting yours are the same just more if them.
c'est très bien
Thanks
Do have to do what you are doing, every time I charge the battery pack.
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That's quite a meter you have there. You get all sorts of voltage readings without the leads being connected to anything!
So we're do I get the batteries from
You can buy them from ebay or amazon.
Is it working for car batteries???
Car battery has huge capacity, can't use a single dry cell to raise it's voltage. What you may try is to use a steady electrical charger (at 14.4V) to charge it up, it takes hours to do so even the battery is healthy.
Just for clarity the battery used was not a dry cell but a Duracell.
It is a Duracell dry cell at 1.5V, there are some more videos talk about upgrading the Ni-MH to Lithium one. It would be more powerful and sustainable.
The pack is worn out. You might get it working a little, but it won't take a load like a good battery. Just like you can charge a old car battery up and get a few cranks. It isn't dependable power. Time for a new one.
Yes, if the battery is too old. It might not be recoverable.
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Great.
Thanks
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I only see one battery made from 10 cells. Do you have 6 batteries in your car, or just one battery with 6 cells inside? It's like interchanging flour and bread.
Idk, seems like it will die after a couple screws.
Very well done, you describe all functions in a simple manner, lighting and visibility was very good. Thank
Jeez oh
All batteries are wired together there isn't anyway to get the correct voltage unless you disconnect them from each other
Google loads in series.
Is there a way you have tested, to restore a dead lithium ion batteries? They have a printed circuit and plenty of electronics embedded.. mine is 18v. Ryobi.
To test lithium battery, you can also use the same method. The circuit board is there to manage the charging and discharging, with temperature control as well.
You can either test individual battery directly. The fully charged voltage is 4.2V, minimum is 3.7V. Any voltage below 3.7V would prevent the battery from charging that is apparently "dead". You can use a 5V supply with 300mA to 500mA current to "activate" it. or you can replace the faulty one easily if it is a 18650 type battery.
Beware the polarity of battery and don't short circuit any part as Lithium battery is very high power when fully charged. Good luck.
Wow, ok so thank you very much for the info! I’ve read pretty far down the comments and I feel like some people may be missing the point a bit.
Yes, replacing the problem cells is of course the better idea, HOWEVER. . . Anyone that has used such a tool to make a living will agree that battery packs tend to leave you hanging at the worst possible moments. I couldn’t say hot many times I only needed to drill a couple more holes when my drill just dies and the backups haven’t charged at all. Amazon isn’t going to save me an extra trip the following day to finish that job, is it? And of course finding a store that sells anything affordable at the end of the workday during rush hour isn’t always even a possibility.
Anyway, about voltage test accuracy questions, as long as all the individual batteries are connected in series, and disconnected from the load (drill) each battery is practically isolated from the others. If there was a charge indicator led or active Battery Management System in the circuit that allowed some current flow, his voltmeter will read everything just fine. Certainly “accurate enough” for what he is showing us anyway.
Once again, thank you for posting this, I cannot wait to make good use of this knowledge next time I’m in a jam. And yes, I understand it may not work in some cases. But it just might work and save me or someone else a lot of time and money and stress! 👍🏼
Thank you for your comments. It is much appreciated.
I have tried it twice, and failed each time. Once they go dead, they never fully recover.
If the cell is totally dead, it is hardly recover it.
I’ve tried to recharge dead batteries like this, but these bad batteries do not hold charge for long. The battery pack will quickly run out after a few screws. The reason that these dead batteries have zero volts is because internally, there is a leakage ghat drains the battery. You can not really fix the dead ones. If there were still some residual voltage left, then you may recharge it and it will hold the charge.
It is very true. It is a great comment.
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Lo siento, no puedo hablar español, pero veré si alguna traducción podría ayudar.
That looks slow and tedious. Why not connect two 9v batteries to the battery without having to take the battery apart and charging each cell individually?
It has to go for individual cells to revive them. Giving 9V is like charging it on a charger, it won't reactivate the faulty battery in between.
Are you sure about that as no sensor is involved between batteries? I've seen videos of batteries being revived by connecting the B+ to B+ and B- to B- terminals on other types of batteries
I dead yet. You finish?
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It is a good video presentation except for his verbal redundancy perhaps due to limitations in language expression. I found myself filling in the blanks for him. It would have been better if he had read the steps of the process from a script to avoid the redundancy.
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And the other battery is a dry cell too🙄
If you believe this works I got some oceanfront property in Arizona for you, and I love that cheesy $2 tester trying to act like you know what you're doing got everyone on here don't have a clue
Why not use a battery that's rechargeable, not Duracell!
Rechargeable battery is 1.2V, dry cell is 1.5V, we need a bit higher voltage to charge it.
Seriously?... There stuffed old Ni-Cd cells which will NEVER hold a good charger ever again due the memory effect of there chemistry!
Just replace them with 3 X 18650's & a bms & problem solved permanently for years!
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I agree also did this
23 minutes? Could have done it in 5 min. I only made it through 3. LOL\
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hope this helps
Soon as yu put a load on whatever the batteries are running yu have same problem...
Bad or worn batteries won't hold charge FACTS...
That's true, worn batteries need to replace. The method in the video is good for drills that being put aside for long, batteries drop below the charging theshold.
Ni-Cd batteries should be discharged to .85 volt per cell (8.5 volts for a 10 cell, 12 volt pack) for storage.
Why do you think these cells/packs are sold/shipped discharged?
To prevent charge memory from forming. Once a NI-Cd cell begins to form a charge memory they will not take a full charge, only taking what it remembers.
I have 35 years working with rechargeable batteries.
The only way to save that battery pack is to rebuild it. What you are doing is fooling the dumb charger (that is what that type of charger is called) into thinking that the pack is charged while all you are doing is just over charging the few good cells that are left, leading them to failure.
If you put that pack on a smart charger, it would, very likely, give you a message such as "Connection Break" or "Internal Short" or it will just not go into charge mode at all (this depends on the smart charger that you are using).
Doesn't even looks like it's been used before
That's true. I didn't use it much. So it's a bit waste if I dump it for a few faulty batteries that I can fix. I should have taken it out to charge every now and then to make sure it is serviceable.
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there are only nine batteries
There were three sets of three and one on top makes 10
Only if your desperately short of money
video plot took too many edit , just made it not legit
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....or, just go buy another battery and get years of use out of it like your previous one. Who has time for this, haha.
It gives an idea how a battery can be retrieved. It applies to other batteries that you wish.
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Why would anyone buy Black & Decker products?
Cheap. available. Let's face it- if you use it only occasionally, buying an expensive drill and battery that sits around and then fails is still a waste.. That's why I prefer good ole 120V wall plugged drills. edit: Why ? Because many people don't use them frequently enough to warrant buying the more expensive drills. On average, I may use a drill 1 to 2 times a year for 5 minutes each.
Personally I hate stupid battery tools! I have many, some are better than others but sooner or later you'll need to buy expensive battery replacement or new tools! Scam!!!
Scam. I agree , the heart is the battery. Learn how to fix it is the key
Wast of time, replace all with Li-ion pack
Follow my channel as i am going to do this soon
I replace it with Li-on this time.
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How do you justify 23.21 minutes for this? I refuse to watch any videos that gives limited information longer than three minutes. Exploitative and stupid.
I agree this should have been made shorter.
So much of this content is wasted. We don't need to see you opening it or watch you repeating measuring batteries
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Very annoyed 😠 explanation.
If you cant understand, kick rocks.
@@dancearoundtheworld5360 lmao!
Hi there ...
I believe that the Duracell's being .2 to .3 volts bigger in voltage, than the drills' 1.2 volts(the duracell is 1.5 volts.) causes the power (ie. volts) to flow from the stronger device (duracell 1.5v.)
to the drill batt. (1.2 v.)
Hope that helps some !
There's only 9 Batteries not 10!
The tenth sticks up on top.
There's three sets of three and one on top makes 10
@John Cliff lol..be well
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It mentions the number of cells as well.
The video dosnt need to be 23 minutes long
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