Kilowatt Half Hour Episode 34: Nio news, crazy Cupras and the electric 2CV | Electrifying.com
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This week, Ginny, Mike and Tom shoot the electric breeze on a variety of subjects, including World Car of the Year, the long-awaited return of the Ford Explorer and Omoda's arrival in the UK . The team also answer listeners' questions to help them find the perfect electric car.
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Agree the Kia EV3 ticks a lot of boxes. Looking forward to your video when driving it 😊
For Mike: I have had an Ioniq 5 since 2021. I am now on my 4th 12v battery, with the first two replacements done under warranty, but last time I got rid of the Hyundai batteries and bought a Gold standard 12v battery with a 5 year warranty. Had it for 8 months and not had a single problem with it. Get rid of your Hyundai 12v battery and buy a decent one. Your problems with 12v failures will disappear.
Amazing if the 10kw battery in the 2cv can take it 60miles (6miles/kwh)
Great to see Ginny back❤
Good podcast. Re signage - I'd like to see some signs which tell me where the charging stations are within the car park. And you're right about main road signs.
Yep, I missed you Ginny. Glad your back.
Our first car was a 2CV, and about every brand after that. And now, the car we will get next is a Citroën again. The ë-C3 MAX. 😁
That KIA EV3 looks nice . . . .till you look at the rare . . .Shockingly looks like Quasimodo . . . the Hunchback.
Left my i3 for a month in an airport car park with 20% charge. It lost nothing, and the 12V was fully charged. So losing 25% in 2 days is ridiculous. . Whilst in a small seaside town in SW France I saw one Citroen Ami EV, but dozens of Méharis and 2CV’s. I’m with Tom on these, and so obviously are many French.
I’ve left my EV at the airport 4 times for over a month, once for 6 weeks. Never lost any change at all.
Cables. Drive a Niro EV. Cable fits perfectly in the frunck, right by the charging port. Excellent design.
I'm firmly within the tidy cables in the boot, camp. The rest of the boot is like a council tip though. The leaf has the 2 handy nets either side, type 2 coiled and chucked in the left; no bag. The granny cable in the right net with my tyre pump, comes out once a year when visiting family.
I'm with Ginny. Cable goes in the boot in a rough coil that can get rougher, depending on the weather.
For cable storage, the Seat Mii (UP and Citigo too) has a great little polystyrene well, vertically, at the 'front' of the boot. I neatly coil up the charging cable every time, as it fits perfectly. However the adjustable boot floor gets in the way when it's in the higher position.
My god that was nerdy.
Glad your back Ginny, its good to know you're on the mend.
Mike did you get the recent ICCU recall done, and are you still on your original lead base battery? Frankly a lot individuals have replaced their original lead battery with upgraded AGM lead battery. Frankly I would forced the dealers to replace the battery as many here in the US have done. Frankly the original lead batteries Hyundai group sent out were less than stellar, which is the nice way of saying things. But as you know the sweet spot when leaving an EV for a week on end is 40-50% SOC. I would also force the dealer to replace the ICCU which has been stressed though not showing it on dealerships computers. My guess that is ripe for failure very soon.
I always fold, and sometimes tuck. Thankfully there is a heap of cable storage up front and underneath in my Polestar.
Still not enough for a space saver spare tyre though, so I’m just about to put a cargo basket on the roof.
I love classic conversions that are 100% reversible so no impact on chassis.
Makes a car into a daily or genuine tourer.
Plus there is the bit where people can do what they like with their own money!
Mike, once the 12v has died once then the battery has lost a load of capacity and therefore will fail easily. I always keep a small start pack in my Kia Soul, it’s about the size of a mobile phone.
I think ‘knowing the product’ is key. Many dealers know little about their own cars
Must agree with Ginny, cables get chucked in the boot with no regard for packing them away. Also hardly use them as we either charge at home or on a rapid if out and about.
I always pack them away and put in a frunk.
I have had enough…….. Frunk, I physically cringe deeply every time!!!
This is the UK so surely this should be a Froot or a Foot. None of our cars have a trunk so how can they have a front trunk ?
Loving the podcasts and reviews.
Really interested in the Cupra Born VZ and just spotted Tom's review on the website. It seems to be everything I feel I'm missing in my ID.3. The ID.3 has great space, efficiency and performance and the tech is fine (higher spec than my golf) but needs a bit more driving spark. Even if I can't stretch to a VZ I suspect I'd get a similar spec Cupra Born next instead of the ID.3.
On charging cables a colleague of mine who is a 3d printer geek printed a hook for me that means I can hang my cables if they are wet from the bag hook - it basically adds a scoop so the cable can hang from it. Cable either goes there or coiled in the bag.
My last two diesels were a nightmare for keeping battery charge. I had to charge them almost weekly to keep them going. Countless new batteries. Its about time manufacturers sorted this problem out. 12volt batteries aren't cheap!!
Biggest issue with the infrastructure side of things is that the government have just washed their hands of it and point to all the local councils as it's their issue to resolve. As Ginny says the government need to get back involved.
If you are thinking of purchasing a rear wheel drive car, then you also have to consider winter or cross climate tyres. My rear wheel drive BMW rear wheel was confined to my driveway following a reasonable fall of snow. My colleagues reported the same situation with their rear wheel drive cars. After purchasing a second set of alloys and winter tyres, my BMW would sail through snow bound roads. Several car dealerships in my area actually offered a service (at a cost), whereby they would swap out a customers summer tyres for winter tyres, then store the summer tyres until it was time to change them over.
Much of that doesn’t apply to modern EV’s which have a balanced centre of gravity and not a big lump of weight at the front of the car.
Great pod cast again. GINNY FOR PM.
Mike: do you have anything like an OBD monitor plugged in to your Ioniq 5, which would drain the 12V battery? Or do you have any service (intelligent charging, or vehicle monitoring) that would be regularly polling the car's status over the air? I regularly leave my EV6 (same battery, software and architecture) parked up for 4 or 5 days at a time and the traction battery doesn't lose any noticeable charge at all. I left it at Heathrow on 17% for 3 weeks and when I came back it was still on 17%.
My dealership (Gravell's Kia, Swansea) is very good, and I've always had all the software updates and replacements whenever they were available. It might be worth checking with your dealers to see if there is any work outstanding on your car.
Agree about the benefit of car companies with dealers. They need to stock at least one demo, even if their philosophy doesn't support a lot full of new cars like we've done here in the USA.
The 12V issue isn't a problem with the battery, just firmware, you need one of those battery jump/chargers, I got one and left in my boot just in case (Kona facelift).
Glad to see Ginny back.
Mike’s tale of his Ioniq 5 running out of 12 volt juice raised all kinds of issues. Firstly if you go on a two week holiday leaving the car at the airport and finding that it does not work when you get back then the car is useless no matter what powers it. Secondly, the KW Half Hour team seem to have some sort of death wish when you think letting any car, ICE or EV, getting too far below half full is a good idea. Fill up little and often - at least that is how I have to live.
Seems like a real issue with that specific car. Our Zoe gets left at the airport for a month at a time and has never lost more than 2% or failed to start 🤷♂️
I have an MG4 Trophy 2022 model the dealer claims the software is up to date but it doesn’t have a one pedal driving which apparently it should have in the menu under driving. I don’t know how to check which software version my car has. Any help would be great Thabks
Ginny wasn't missing! all you needed to was watch bbc1 and there she was trying to flog houses!🤣
Was keen on the electric 2cv but the 10kwh battery was a deal breaker. Ended up getting the 500e cabriolet for a pretty similar price.
I purchased a front (drunk) boot and retrofitted it to my 21 Kona. My cables and other stuff live there.
The number of times I have had to call a network because a charger was not working is quite a lot over 8 years of EV driving and in almost all cases they have been able to access the unit remotely. Why can't they display and then update prices remotely, too!
Regarding motorway services, it would be really handy if they had a dynamic sign on the services for live availability and price, something like "CCS2 350kW chargers - 9/12 available, £0.69/kWh"
As you say, I'm sure they used to do this for fuel prices and I'm sure I've seen this already in France (the price, though I don't think the availability)
They have a petrol like price board on the Fuuse chargers at Markham vale.
Yes, please, to the converted classic car reviews!
I've always thought a compartment on the side of the boot would be nice for cables. No need to off load the works to grab your cables.
Chaps I'm a bit late but we watch together on the Fire stick. When you going to fix Tom's stop motion effect? I've opened my phone specifically to make this comment and watching on TV is why you've not heard from me for a while. Always look forward to the Kilowatt "Half-hour" 😂👍
Edit: the Kia EV 3 ..the thing about these small SUVs is the boot is never big enough. If you're building a boxy not very aerodynamic car for goodness sake put a usable boot in it! I just need it to fit me foldable walker in plus the weekly shop. If I can get that in my windknife how come I can't get it in a Kona for example?
Small SUV's are a pain in the bum!
With talk about the EV3 potentially standing out in a crowded sector, I'm wondering how the Skoda Epiq will compare? Hopefully we'll see a quality product, like we did with the Enyaq. But my worry for VAG is they're too late to the small EV market.
Skoda Epiq will compete in a different class with its 4.05m of length conpared to the EV3 with 4.3m. Volkswagen ID.2/ Cupra Raval and Skoda Epiq will be the best allrounder sub-compact EV because they offer an optional 56kWh battery pack with 440km WLTP range. That is just 10% more than the Renault 5 electric but in combination with bigger interior and cargo space they offer a much better package.
The EV3 competes with the VW ID.3, Volvo EX30 and maybe the Renault Scenic e-tech
@@BBingo-v5i Very true, but that's the weird thing about Skoda - they seem to straddle classes by extending the platform to produce something that's bigger than the competition whilst offering something smaller too. The Epiq will be 4.1m and the Elroq 4.5m so both cars have a difference of 20cm compared to the EV3.
They did the same when they replaced the Yeti with the Karoq which was bigger but also introducing the Kamiq which was smaller. I'd say the Yeti was the perfect size for most people and offered practically that few cars in the class could match. A real shame they didn't continue with it.
Another great podcast episode, you should as a team buy classic car and than make EV conversion 😊❤❤.
Keep up with great work and greetings from sLOVEnia
Always pack my cables away properly 😂
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Wheelsboy
Mike, for your Ioniq 5 battery problem, do you carry a 12V lithium battery jump starter to get you home? Is the battery easy to change yourself at a generic auto supply shop? Seems like with this repeated problem, folks would get prepared and just soldier past the flaw. Not that you should have to.
You should not require a battery starter in a new car shame on you the manufacturer for not fixing this known problem with their cars
My Dad’s first car was a 1967 Fiat 500, I would love to have an electrified original Fiat 500. I have also ordered a salary sacrifice Hyundai Ioniq 5 (supposedly arriving at the end of the month) so I am slightly worried about Mike’s problems.
Edit: I am seriously starting to wish I had gone for a Skoda Enyaq instead.
Road tax on EVs. You may have covered this already. What’s the news on upcoming road tax on BEVs? Any advice on delaying the payment by ‘paying’ the current £0 early to get a further 12 months at that rate?
Am an avid subscriber/listener. Thank you for an interesting 20-25 minutes as I playback at 1.25 speed 😀
Cable goes back in it's bag and stored properly!
Signage should incicate if EV car charging is available and how far next one is, especially along major roads and motorways.
Is old cars for years and the punishment car for missing you targets was a 2CV. WORST car I ever drove. And how the rig does the gearbox work?
On the cable storage, why don’t they build it into the parcel shelf
Safety. Frunks are the best option.
Loosely coil the cable and chuck in the Frunk of my Tesla Model 3.
Cheers
What do you think of the EV trend to calling the EV range as 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9? Remember when we had names like Golf, Scirocco, Passat etc and we call coped? I’m so bored with Model 3, EV3, EX3 etc..
Cables in the Frunk for the win. Loads of space in Model 3 and Y, and dont use Frunk for much else normally so always able to get to cables on rare occasion it is needed.
This comment about the 12v battery draining is worrying (for someone who is still considering his first EV purchase). Is this just an issue with the Ioniq 5? In my case the case the car would often remain unused for several days.
On the whole charging thing... Wouldn't it be wonderful if you could just wireless charge 😁. Dream mode switched to "fully on" what about bidirectional wireless charging 🤯👍.
...only issue after that. The obscene price per kilowatt 😢
BRB just going for a spliff
I think it should be abundantly obvious to every EV maker to place their charge ports at the END of the vehicle, not a meter from the end with a door opening the wrong way [F150 Lightning...] and to have a dedicated storage for the charge cable at the same end of the car! If the port is at the front, surely a froot can be large enough for the cables, at least. If at the rear, the cables could be stored on the same side as the port, in that side area between the wheelwell and the boot lid, not under everything, or even better, clipped to the boot lid itself. Open boot, unclip cable, plug in. Easy.
Yep. Niro EV frunk for cable storage with charging port right in front of it. Perfect.
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The paint bits have character on the walls who else has it ?
We had one Ford MachE in our neighbourhood. It has just been swapped out for a Tesla Model Y. Ford pretty lost in EV space.
There is a world outside the US. And Kia, BYD, VW, Skoda, Renault, Mag, Citroen, Audi are pretty strong on it.
Tesla have a growing problem in they’ve only has one new model in the last 5 years.
@@Orange_Manbaby Model Y still global leader. Supercharger network dominant and light years ahead in reliability and cost. So it does not excuse the denial of this team. Corrupt
@@colinpalmer9070 as I said Tesla have had 1 new model in 5+ years and it will cost them dearly soon, outside the US anyway.
Their network is way over hyped in terms of numbers and reliability. Pricing is generally good though and others need to compete.
I'm not sure quarterly software updates suit Europeans. It drives me mad that things change on my phone very frequently. They can't even fix pot holes in the UK so how are they going to sort out planning laws?. On the other hand it seems they can build flats on every spare inch of land where I live so maybe they should build car chargers that look like tiny flats - there may even be some cover for users too.
NIO's battery swap is a daft idea. It's so niche that it's pointless. It's a continuation of the pretence that we need to replicate the "5 minutes to fill" world of ICE vehicles.
Just found a company that sells BEV converted 2CVs. The price? £32500.00
Heh. Tom, isn't the nickname for a 2CV the… "duck"? So you were driving a converted electric duck? Mike, you need to get a jump starter for those times when the 12V dies.
Is the 2 year Chinese development cycle impressive or bad for durability and sustainability? We really need cars to last. The emissions for EVs powered with renewable, primarily come from the build. If you churn through unrepairable quickly designed and abandoned designs, you are DECREASING sustainability.
Case in point. If you desire a part to keep your 1970s BMW or Mercedes on the road you can get it. Scan a classic Mini magazine and you see that these cars are well supported with aftermarket parts you can buy cheaply. But in 4 years if BYD redesigns the Seagull twice, can I get the parts I need to keep it on the road? If they slow down the redesign cycles, concentrate on a GREAT design that stands the test of time with essentially parts sharing for 10 or more year across subtle refreshes, cars remain maintainable/rebuildable. Note that the thing that takes a car off the road and to scrap is when a shunt or repair exceeds the car's value. We've got to break this cycle of buying cars on lease, or buying new cars for sport instead of buying critically and keeping a car for 20 or more years and repairing all the woes that happen to it.
My dad is 80 this year
I don't rule out ANY brand - not even the Chinese. But I haven't bought a Ford since early 90's. Where is their fast-charging, mid-priced hatchback? Currently I'm a Peugeot E-208 man, In which class there is NO Ford competition. Why?
I would vote for Ginny
A question that has nothing to do with this podcast. Most manufacturers suggest that you charge to 80% for normal driving and only use 100% for long distance. My question is: "under this regime, is it better for the battery when you need to charge to 100%, to charge on AC and and not rapid/ultra rapid DC. When travelling long distance, which I do quite frequently, I always start off from home on AC charging to 100% but never higher than 90% (more often 80%) on DC when on the road.
Check whether your battery is LFP or NCM. Lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries are generally considered more suitable for frequent charging to 100% compared to nickel cobalt manganese (NCM) batteries. Here’s why:
Thermal Stability: LFP batteries have better thermal stability and are less prone to overheating. This reduces the risk of thermal runaway, making them safer when charged to full capacity.
Cycle Life: LFP batteries typically have a longer cycle life compared to NCM batteries. They can endure more charge-discharge cycles before their capacity degrades significantly. This characteristic makes them more resilient to the stress of being charged to 100% regularly.
Degradation Rate: The rate of capacity degradation in LFP batteries is generally slower than in NCM batteries when charged to high levels. This means that the negative impact on the battery's overall lifespan is less pronounced for LFP batteries even with frequent full charges.
Voltage Range: LFP batteries operate at a lower voltage range compared to NCM batteries. Charging to 100% in this lower voltage range puts less strain on the battery materials, contributing to better longevity.
Application Suitability: LFP batteries are often used in applications where long cycle life and safety are prioritized over energy density. This makes them well-suited for situations where frequent full charges are necessary, such as in certain types of electric vehicles and stationary energy storage systems.
In contrast, NCM batteries, while offering higher energy density and thus longer range for electric vehicles, tend to have a shorter cycle life and are more sensitive to high voltage levels, making them less ideal for frequent charging to 100%.
@@Ghent2007 Thanks, I think mine are Lithium Ion (Audi Q8 etron 55)
I wouldn't worry about it tbh, if you charge on DC it will go slow for the last few percent anyway so probably not much difference.
@@timscott3027 I'll try it and see. On DC, at 80% it is in the mid 70kW's and I have seen it at 50kW at 90%. Never gone much beyond that to see what it is at 99%. Maybe speed of charge at that high point is the governing factor as you say.
Someone got a WhatsApp message during the show right when Mike started to cover the mailbag. Sorry Ginny how do you deal with long road trips or travel to long distances chuck your type-2 on top of your luggage?? AC charging is good for overnight at a hotel for example and means your battery is full when you leave in the morning without the need to stop at a fast charger(DC) which could be ICE'd by idiots and the authorities do nothing even if there is signs it takes the enforcement officer to be there at the time.
I predict Ford will likely sell there European division to Volkswagen, they clearly are not selling enough cars in European market and Volkswagen are very prominent in there current vision and aims. Given that they are clearly doing so well in America with cars like the F-150 lightning gaining lots of traction, it makes sense for them to sell it to a company that has been very successful and know what they are doing in Europe to focus on America, I would be very surprised if Ford produces a model that has anywhere near the traction such as cars like the Fiesta and the focus even if they are bought, and if they do get taken over it will likely because they are on the verge of bankruptcy, Ford will never sell there brand unless forced to do so
It's such a shame that you haven't managed to resolve the problem with dropped frames from Tom's camera. It makes the podcast pretty much unwatchable. I used to really enjoy it, but I can't beae to watch it any more
You could just listen to it on a podcast platform
It is odd. Tom has the dropped frames, low res, and poor lighting. Ginny has auto F-stop going in and out, and low res. Mike has it dialed in. Still, it is very watchable.
What is it with the Kia EV9 and EV3 - I’ve heard you saying how these are good looking cars - maybe I’m just getting old and beauty is in the eye of the beholder but . . . Lego brick on wheels anyone???
Definitely designed by 6 year olds
Hi as regarding charging prices. I would like to know why Ev charging companies don’t offer variable tariff rates like tesla do. After all Tesla don’t own the electricity.
The Rivian ?
Back in the room
Jinny next President
Vote for Ginny!
I think that one, some or all of you should go to Germany and drive the ET5 Touring.
Nah. Volkswagen ID.7 Tourer is much better. There is no real need or unique selling point for the NIO ET5, except for battery swapping which just doesn't work that well
@@BBingo-v5i Yet there has been 50 million swaps in China. Crazy how you keep being in denial. ET5T is superior in every way. Looks better, drives better, interior is better, tech is better. You're just afraid of new things
@@rune54321 lol go back to sleep. The range of the NIO ET5 Touring is abysmal for a tourer and so is the cargo and interior space. It is tiny. Charging is slow, interior is nothing special, the ID.7 actually has way better interior functions and options. The ID.7 is overall the way better package and product
When will you challenge the companies that ignore the law that states all electric cars should make a noise under 30mph eg all MG Hyundai Kia only an occasional one model usually the most expensive.How fo they get away with it surely they can send an update to do it and confirm to the law not to mention Tesla
They all make a noise.
So fed up with the Tesla denying aspects of this podcast. Dynamic pricing clearly annotated in real time with plug and play charging but these guys think it is not possible. Who pays these guys ?
Tesla Rivals Nio, Zeekr & BYD report record sales as legacy auto sales fall
The Electric Viking
Problems ICE drivers don't have:
1. Where to keep my petrol nozzle in the car?
2. How much will I be paying for my Kilowatts? (and you know all those chargers are connect to the Internet for payments, but they can't display the price per KW?)
3. How much fueling should I do on a high speed pump vs with a 5 liter can at home?
4. Real world range being about 75% of stated range because it takes 10 times longer to fill up the last 20% of the tank.
5. Will my car with 20% of fuel in it start after I leave it at the airport for 2 weeks?
6. Inability to build new petrol stations because of the need to provide Infrastructure and grid capacity.
That's just from your one podcast today of stated problems that you are trying to make light of for EVs.
Yes and they get that nice feeling that they are contributing to all those lovely regimes, every time they fill up with cancer-fuel...
Yep and all quite trivial in the not to distant future.
@@Pottery4Life storing a cable is such a great issue is it? I use my frunk.
We need laws on displaying prices, but some do now.
I have left my EV at the airport 4 times for over a month. Never lost any charge at all. That misinformation.
The last 20% is rarely charged on the go. But it might be 3 times slower than the first 20%.
No one normal uses petrol cans.
Grid capacity isn’t an issue, that’s misinformation. Getting enough power to a locale might be.
Now do the positives of EV’s starting with saving 30 minutes to go to a petrol station to queue for cheap petrol.
Are you going to address the current concerns over resale values of Electric vehicles given the price slashing of new vehicles being done by manufacturers, i.e. Tesla? I think the UK Company Car culture is extending the "desirability" of electric cars due to the tax incentives available, vs the rest of the world where the private buyer demand for EVs is collapsing globally. What will happen when the Govt needs to top up the missing tax revenue by cutting those incentives? I'm not an EV "denier" I seriously considered an F150 Lightning when selecting my current Truck (F150 petrol V6 twin turbo) because my leisure activities involve towing over 150 miles in a day during winter weather and I couldn't be certain the Lightning would be up to the job.
On the subject of Ford, they have lost so much money developing EVs, I think they have seen the light that the EV Market is saturated and they are backing out of EVs as the demand is dropping. Ford stopped selling cars in the US a few years ago, with the exception of the very tasty V8 Mustangs.😀
The worldwide demand for and sales of EV’s is growing.
Evening
Nio aren't good
Says the guy that has never driven one
VW
To be honest I just chuck the cables in the foot well of the back seats 🫣.