Kilowatt Half Hour Episode 35: A difference of opinion | Electrifying.com
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This week, Ginny, Mike and Tom shoot the electric breeze on a variety of subjects, including World Car of the Year, the long-awaited return of the Ford Explorer and Omoda's arrival in the UK . The team also answer listeners' questions to help them find the perfect electric car.
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Every week, the Electrifying.com meet online to discuss all the important matters at hand. Such as the weather, what we’re all having for our tea and who dumped who in last night’s Love Island. Between these heavyweight subjects, we also talk about electric cars. A lot. Probably an unhealthy amount to be honest.
And when we do discuss cars, we find out a lot. From industry gossip to the more mundane practicalities of electric car ownership, it’s the place where we dish the dirt on the cars we’ve been driving and deliver our own verdicts on the latest electric car news. We also like to have a good laugh at the daftest bits of anti-electric news that we’ve seen in the press.
We can’t promise that you’ll learn much. You probably won’t. But if you fancy 30 minutes of idle chat and gossip about the world of electric cars, we’re here for you. If you like it / hate it / think it’s too long or too short, let us know.
Great to see Vicky here. Love her reviews.
Love Electrifying, so informative, entertaining and positive. You do So much to help influence people to become EV converts. Keep up the good work! Love estates, don’t need one now, but would consider the VW ID7 estate, definitely.
Great seeing Vicky with yous on the pod, love her no nonsense and practical reviews.
Do you think we should pressure the Manufacturers to put an area large enough for the charging cables under the bonnet to keep them separate from the natural load area ( rear boot ) . They is generally enough room
Hopping on from watching you on the fire stick to say my wife just said to me that an estate car is my default choice. This is true.
Thanks for fixing Tom's jumpy camera, didn't mean you to go to great expense and really am not bothered about production values, don't expect TV quality. It was just when I watch on my mobile the jumpiness was a bit nauseating. Cheers team, thanks for the mention again, keep up the great work.👍😁
Just purchased a 3 year old id4 from Volkswagen approved, it came with 2 years warranty and mot’s. I also was looking at the Enyaq, but had a soft spot for the id4 first edition, not as quick as the id3 we previously had but with my child almost big enough to no longer need a booster seat, having the extra space for general family life makes a lot of sense, it’s eating up the miles in comfort as have a daily commute that requires daily charging
Congratulations, on your well-deserved award!
Each time there's an announcement of a new car and it's a SUV or crossover you see endless social media posts with people complaining "Not another SUV"/"Not another crossover". BUT the sales prove the opposite of that
Good to see Vicky join the team and Tom as the token male this week. Well done on the award, great channel.
Another great podcast, great to see Vicky joining ❤❤❤.
Keep up with great work.
Great to see Vicky join the team...always enjoy her reviews.
Love listening to you guys chat EVs - I've learned a lot from you! I am one of those people whose ordered a VW ID7 😮 and now feel I need to explain why 😂. For me, the Tesla brand image is unappealing, i'm not into bling or spangly design. I love travelling in a really well sorted, well designed car and after Vicki's review I felt compelled to have a look. It's a wee bit bland I'll admit, but it's enormously capable, big enough for 3 teenage sons and a dog in the back and solidly built. It won over the mainly smaller competition at the same price. (I couldn't stretch to an EQE!)
Converting classic cars to EVs sounds like a great idea, but I hope they update the entire HVAC system, suspension, brakes, etc. as part of the conversion. I ran a 1972 Morris 1300GT as a second car in the 90s, and while it looked incredibly cool and made me smile on a dry sunny day, it was awful to drive for the vast majority of the year.
The heater relied on the engine's cooling system for warmth, so only worked after the engine had been running for 5-10 minutes. With no heated steering wheel or seats, and with a thin, tinny body, that meant winter driving required a lot of warm clothes, which gradually had to be discard along the way, then put back on if you stopped for more than half an hour. I had to wipe the windscreen if there was any condensation, as the demister relied on hot air (no air-con to dry the air being blown), or wait with the engine idling until it warmed up. And on a warm day with a bit of mist or fog then it was too hot in the car as you had to have the heater on high to clear the windscreen, even if it was warm outside.
The brakes were adequate for its 70bhp, but I'd be worried about the rear drums coping with a combination of EV regen and disks at the front without some form of upgrade. The hydrospastic suspension struggled with its 800kg, so any increase would make it wallow even more. And just about every bit of the cabin was designed to maim the occupants in the event of any collision.
I'll leave classic cars to those who want discomfort and danger when driving, and stick to my lovely, comfortable, modern EV6. Thanks.
None of the classic conversions I've seen do much more than replace the ICE with a motor and batteries.The better ones upgrade the suspension to cope.
Converting an ICE car to EV is always going to be a compromise, and in the case of a classic it's really just to keep it on the road.
As we've seen from major manufacturers even the latest ICE model when made to an EV is compromised and nowhere near as good as an EV designed as such from the start.
Re: boot space on smaller ev's, it's not the capacity that's the issue. It's the practicality. I don't want an unnecesarily large car, just something with a wide enough boot space for my guitar or an opening big enough for bulky items when the seats are down for the occasional ikea trip/skip-run without playing a convoluted game of tetris. (aka Kim)
Great to see you are considering upgrading your video gear. :-) Also remember some studio lighting rules like not having bright sources of light from behind the subject.
Thanks for noticing our beautiful Slovenia❤😂.
Can't wait for the Electrifying classic car EV project to start.
Congratulations on your award - well deserved! I'm all for females in this industry that's been so male dominated to date.
I love that you all have differing views on cars. On some occasions I've not necessarily had the same views as some journalists, particularly when they've said 'our team love this or that' so it's refreshing to see you share your own preferences.
Keep up the excellent work, you're such a great team to watch!
As a wheelchair user who, when able bodied, loved my Mk1 Toyota MR2 and my Frogeye Sprite I’m always looking for the smallest car I can pack a chair into. For a couple of years I dabbled with the very first Ford EV ( Ford Think from the year 2000) and at just 3metres long I could get my wheelchair into the boot! So small car, big boot - give it to me! ( real name, Dave!)
Love watching this podcast.
The best podcast ever 🕺
Congrats Team!! One reason I love is the large percentage of women on the team and is so refreshing compared to pretty much every other channel I follow on EV's. 2024 Kona EV in Australia has a spare tyre it is a space saver but still has one at least including a jack. Your podcast camera situation I have never minded as it is a podcast after all not a car review.
Congratulations on your award, well deserved
Doesn’t say a lot about the industry
Congratulations on the reward, you all deserve it!
Just in time for Sunday breakfast!! Perfect.
Estate car, top choice for me, as I have dog and two kids, plus the shape seems to be leading to more efficiency than an SUV. I currently have a Passat GTE (With Kia Soul EV as other family car) but would consider an EV estate. It would need to have a tow bar option, for bike rack, and roof bars for roof box. Even the Passat is full at times!!!!
Thanks for the podcast, keep up the good work, informative discussions, and light banter.
Hi
This more a general question.
You all get to go to some great places to drive new cars around Europe. From memory I believe you tend to fly. As you all drive BEV’s have you considered driving or taking the train?
I’m sure time is a big consideration. I often wonder how do you balance the scales between time and burning fossil fuels on short haul flights?
Regarding motors Björn Nyland’s channel featuring car repairs quite frequently and they always seem to be fixing old Hyundai & Kia motors, so there might be an issue with older motors on those.
BMW i4 = VW ID7 These are the uncelebrated heroes of the very efficient, very refined, normal cars for the future. Recognizing that the ID7 has better rear seat room, so choose depending on whether you'll use those daily or not.
Congrats with the award!
No frunk, no froot, fraletero here in Spain 🤣🤣🤣
So pleased you won the press award. Just to be a bit mean when we published newspapers whenever we won an award disaster always followed so look behind for a bit now.
Congratulations on receiving the award. Interesting to hear your comments about the number of women in the team, I can't help noticing that the Kilowatt Half Hour is always over 40 minutes...not related I'm sure! LOL
We have a first Edition jeep Avenger and to your point on price that was probably the best deal - spec that now costs £41k for £36.5. Its small footprint is so refreshing. My wife loved her yeti and this feels like son of Yeti - small , practical but with some individual flair about it. Always getting 200 miles plus and on Ovo's new deal charging it for 7p per kilowatt hour
I have been watching the transport select committee meeting talking about Electric Cars held on the 15 May 2024 in front of a parliamentary committee.
To view type in parliament tv and then type in electric cars and then the date 15th May. I think you will find this a very interesting and a very informative meeting.
The ENTIRE Stellantis range is way over priced at rrp. There is no way they can take a motor and gearbox OUT and still add £10,000 to it. Either negotiate loads off... OR just buy 2 years old at £15,000 or less.
I too would love a small EV with a sunroof. Mini Level 3 used to have them as an option and some of the limited editions do too. Don't think the Honda E did. @KiwiEVadventures has shortened Front Compartment to Fartment as an alternative to Frunk 😄 That might work!
Congrats! Love an estate, but they don’t do well here in the States. Bigger sells here, unfortunately 😢
Jimmy
Manufactures could have a storage box fitted inside one of the back seats which would be easy to access by folding the seat down when cables are required
Great show! Over here the Mach E is very popular, but we have such terrible infrastructure that the slower 150 kw charging or worse make up many of our chargers. If we could actually get eGMP speeds the Koreans would crush everyone here.
Haven't seen a new episode for over 2 weeks, I'm missing my fix!!!
Firstly congratulations on your award. Its very well deserved and let’s face it a huge achievement in this world of media saturation. Secondly the attempt to summarise Tom’s ‘taste’ in cars was pure joy to watch 😂
As you seem to have got the ex Autocar Vicky on board as opposed to the Vicky that squeals a lot, I reckon she’s going to add to the quality of your output coz she knows her stuff 🤩
Only patronising Mike to get rid of now…….
Have bought estates for years. Like being able to put bigger stuff in the back if needed. At the moment in Australia a BYD Atto 3 is the most tempting option, but I wish there were more.
Small car owners often only have 1/2 people in, so they are more likely happy to sacrifice rear space than boot space. Some cars have sliding rear seats, but they're often more expensive than cars the next size up.
The registration document from DVLA for my ioniq 5 says it is an estate. Seems fair enough to me. I previously had an audi allroad A6 biturbo. Similar space and performance!
I’m sorry, I’m not convinced about the avenger, I only drove it once as a hire car. It was the entry level trim, didn’t go very far on one charge and it’s extortionately expensive for what it. For similar money you can get an EX30, a Mégane E-tech and likely an EV3, all of which are more compelling packages. Also the Fiat 600e is very similar to the Avenger plus cheaper, and I personally think that is a better car, if a little ugly.
I suggest an electric Trabant. Go on, you know it makes sense !
My understanding is that reference estate manufacturer is stopping selling them in the UK - Volvo. It's all SUVs now!
I love estates or wagons as we say. My wife said she would never get one. Then I put her in a BMW 328 diesel wagon and she changed her mind.
After praising my local Mg dealer on last weeks podcast I’ve just heard that it has lost its franchise as an Mg dealer as have their whole group in the southwest. Warn people that if they pay up front for a few years service package and the dealer loses its dealer status, you end up with a pre paid package tied to the garage and not to the dealer network😡 Is it wise to carry on servicing at a garage that’s no longer an Mg Dealer? Does it affect the warranty or tech support? 🤷🏻♂️
I take my recommendation back, Howard’s MG of Yeovil
You were talking about Estates . What of the MG5 ? Has there been are more updates to it since the Facelift
I don't think so. The new one is apparently coming at the start of next year based on MG4 underpinnings, although it's all gone quiet since that was announced
The "frunk" should be called BUS (Under Bonnet Storage)
Mind blown. I’m used to seeing Vicky on Car Gurus.
I like estates better than SUVs, but I can have a regular Id7. I think the space should be enough, and efficiency will be better. Big hatch makes it easy to load. Need more space? It tows! But I come from Saabs, guess a Volvo fan would instantly go for the touring. :)
Gavin’s front compartment concatenation ‘fartment’ should be universally adopted over frunk or front ….
Stick with the Ioniq 5 it's brilliant and that charging curve is fantastic!
Love the idea of classic conversations. Where are the universal kits?
I really like the idea of an electric estate as my next car, my ultimate would be a V60 or V90 electrified Volvo. When the Astra electric estate has depreciated into my budget, I think that'll be the car for me.
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🤗🤗🤗🤗 yeah, the kilowatt half hour. Thanks for the fun and info all.
In my opinion, estates are mostly boring add-ons for normal cars. In Netherlands they never were a thing.
Only for the rare occupations, like an old shoe salesmen that didn't know the world had changed in the last 50 years, the ancient photographer that needed all his stuff with him, or the odd people that needed to buy food for their 5 dogs, 12 cats and 19 hamsters.
And the reason Ford is lagging . . . . unions.
I drove the Enyaq, but found it felt too big, prefer the Born, or MG4 or Ioniq5
Did your BYD figure include PHEV?
For your manifesto, could you add legacy manufacturers to provide retrofit EV conversions for modern cars. Could just be adapting Felton’s standard kits to their platforms etc
Can we have a video of Tom being tested on taillights 😂?
Estates.
Try putting anything like a bicycle or 3 on the roof of an suv and then you’ll see the benefit of an estate. I wouldn’t do without my primitive Mk1 Mg5 long range
We have an Ioniq 5, which looks so much better than the Skoda.
No regrets about getting the Ioniq 5, and I don't worry about a battery issue. There's going to be an update on the new vehicles anyway, so the battery issue will go away.
BMW i4 has an opening sunroof. Std in USA. And this opening sunroof has a moonroof and powered opaque fabric shade. The panoramic glass roofs are nonsense, IMO, causing cars to artificially overheat and need more power diverted to cooling. What's the point of a literal greenhouse for your car. One of the many design trends the industry should NOT have followed that Tesla came up with.
Does the Dolphin have an opening roof?
The ORA 03 Pro has a sunroof.
Would love an EV estate. The problem is none of the current ones hits the mark for me. ID7 ridiculously over-priced, 308 and Astra not enough range (and not value for money), MG 5 too small. Still waiting for a 300 miles real-world range estate at £40k (sweet spot for leasing rates) with a proper boot over 550 litres.
Do an older Bentley for your conversion project.
Need to ask, where is the other Tom? Miss his sense of humour and being part of the team, hope all is alright, love the chanel, reviews and the podcast.
Ford America have the same problem. 1 ute (truck?), 1 SUV and 1 van. And this after 5 years of promising so much.
I agree Ford is moving slowly. but I believe part of it is due to the changing policies in the EU and the USA, as well as they have multiple EV battery trails underway with a variety of battery companies (e.g. CATL, SK Innovations, Solid Power) Also, it is taking them a while to get the factories built and or retrofitted to build EV's in the EU, North America and China. But things are starting to look up. To quote Ford News this week, "The electric Ford Explorer is the first vehicle to roll off the line at the Ford Cologne Electric Vehicle Center - a significant step on the road to producing a new generation of high-quality electric passenger vehicles for the region. A second EV, a new sports crossover, will be revealed shortly with production in Cologne starting later this year."
High Quality Ford, Now that is 😂
My cable has never come out it’s plastic bag 🤣 stays neatly in the boot under floor. Charge at work or SuC when out and about- ps never really use the frunk myself 😉
Very “I’m all right jack”
Frunk 🤮. I will never say that word out loud.
If Tesla was started in the UK, would the word "froot" have naturally evolved?
Just dropped in to say that maybe you think the EV9 is so big because you haven't spent too much time in the big ICE SUVs? As an EV to get those owners to #stopburningstuff it will shake up the segment. And as you say, it feels smaller when you're driving it.
Love the podcast cant believe Ford are so behind .They were the car for the people Ka ,Fiesta ,Focus well priced but only the Mach e and explorer . VW well ahead with electric love the ID7 electric passat .
Love the kilowatt half hour(ish) but actually prefered the few weeks that Nicola hosted it, she always comes across as super authentic and doesn't say anything just to be agreeable.
I like estates
Nobody bought the Mondeo in recent years but they bought millions of Tesla Model 3 which is a medium sized 4 door saloon, and in looks not that dissimilar to the Mondeo. And BMW ship millions of 3 Series, another medium sized 4 door saloon. I think it might have had more to do with the Mondeo and its image as a Rep Mobile than anything else.
Estate cars are actually what families need, not a SUV, most of which, unless they are BMW X5/Range Rover sized, have less useable space than the Estate version of a medium sized family saloon. However Estates lack the "king of the road" driving position and for some odd reason are perceived as down market to what is often nothing more than an Astra/Focus sized hatchback on bigger wheels with jacked up suspension.
Had estates over the years but it is the manufactures that seem to have sized everything up; original Range Rover had a smaller footprint than a sierra estate and still fitted through a standard garage door
Estates. Yes please. Mercedes (not Volvo) made the best ones but both makers seem to have given up on them. I thought I wanted an i5 Touring but I couldn’t talk myself into a 5m+ car that isn’t correspondingly vast in the back seat - I have tall passengers to carry. ID.7 estate isn’t here yet and I’m still not convinced by VW interiors. So I broke my own rule and went SUV this time.
On the subject of estates. I have had 3 Volvo estates over the last 20 years of my working life. Now retired, I bought a used MG5 a year ago as it was the only estate on my budget. Excellent simple car if you can tolerate the rubbish infotainment system. I certainly wish there were more affordable estates available.
Th EV9 is not made for Europe, it is too wide. It is made for the US with bigger roads.
500 to 600 pound a month c ya 😂😂😂😂😂
Frunk
A difference. You don’t say?!
There will be massive scope in the future for aftermarket suppliers to reprogram out all the bings & bongs.
Hate the EV9. It's just too huge for UK roads and parking spaces.
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Kia in America I think have been having 13 year old kids working
I think you’re making a serious point but I’m just hearing Kim Wilde. Sorry
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VW? Best? IDUZZ?
Geely are good
Speaking of terminology it bothers me that there’s something called turtle mode in EVs. Don’t Americans know difference between a turtle and a tortoise The graphics in many EVs, definitely depict a tortoise.
Turtles travel many thousands of miles in their lifetime, the same cannot to said of the tortoise. It is more than a little ironic, that the Americans chose to misrepresent an animal, that is capable of such feats of great distance. It’s the tortoise and the hare, not the turtle and the hare.
But then Americans think they invented everything. They make words up, just to replace existing words within the British language, e.g. ‘like’ instead of ‘such as’; and ‘leverage’ instead of ‘enable’. Even their leaders, maybe especially their leaders are capable of idiocy - Bush’s utterance of, “The trouble with the French, is they have no word for cul-de-sac.” I don’t think they’ve ever forgiven their fore-bearers, for being colonists.
I'm not a Tesla fan but lmao Tom BMW overtake Tesla 😂
BMW staff own most those BMW EVs it’s the old legacy trick. BMW managers and sales teams get a new car every 6 months would love to know if the numbers given exclude these..
Lol tom your sounding old you need to be comfy all the time.....can one of the girls review the Tavascan so we get a different perspective to Tom's wanting to be comfy all the time no disrespect intended tom
None taken! I do like sporty cars - see the video and review of the Born. But they need to be one thing or the other. The Tavascan seems to be trying to be a jack of all trades and it doesn't quite gel. TB
You keep saying ev sales but hardly anyone "buys" an ev they lease it for three years which is NOT good for the environment. How many used ev's are sold ? Used prices for ev's drop quicker than an Essex girls knickers.
Used EV sales are apparently very healthy in the UK currently. It’s the cost of new ones that deters uptake not the Daily Mail BS. We bought a top of the range 2 1/2 year old Peugeot e2008 at the end of last year at 50% of new RRP and are delighted with it.
Way to much of this secret visits and press drives. Let's see some proper reviews of cars that are actually here and available to buy rather than stuff that won't appear until the end of the year!!
Japan EVs are crap Tom
Wow, that’s some broad statement. Love mine been driving then since Prius second gen. For me they are great hybrids.
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