How to Eliminate The Rattle from your Collet Closer Handle
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- This short video shows how to adjust your collet closer so the handle doesn't shake and rattle during operation. Its an adjustment many lathe owners may not be aware of. Take a Look !!
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I prefer Patreon over merch because the overhead is so much lower; I need another mug like I need a hole in the head but a couple bucks a month to support your filmmaking sounds fine with me.
I don't even have a collet closer & I still enjoyed watching your video. Thanks!
I watch videos like this everyday, and learn something every day. My step son also watches UA-cam every day but he watches people light farts and eat Tide pods. Strange how different two sides of the same coin can be.
I’m always amazed how you come up with such a simple fix that all the rest of us overlook. Best to you Joe and thanks for the information.
I never fail to learn something from your video's thank you!
could've sworn you would've replace it or something but all you had to do was loosen the 3 bolts and check for ID OOR. that's awesome.
I'd rather buy something I can use in the shop. I've got a set of Randy's dovetail cutters, my genuine Fenner t-slot cleaner, etc. I understand you're not looking to increase your workload, but i've already got enough shirts, mugs, and assorted promotional doodads to last a lifetime (at least the rest of mine, anyway).
How about some Moore style edge/corner finders with your logo? Sell me something I can use! 😀
What he said - keep up the great work!
Attention to detail is what makes the difference between an expert and a hack.👍👍👍
I really enjoy your channel and learn so much here. I'd happily purchase a t-shirt to support you and your content creation!
workshop tour joe :) it's obvious you have a really well organised shop, i think that would be of interest to many.
Like your work Joe; like you ability and methods you use to pass on knowledge. All the best in 2019. I think shirts are a good item for USA residents. I do learn a lot from you and love the technical and mathematics aspects. Mal in Australia.
thanks for inspiring me to take care of this problem , I have been ignoring it for 2 years
Excellence shines from your attention to details.
Thank you.
Sweet, Joe! This is amazingly timely for me. I have a collet closer I'd bought for my lathe and never mounted yet. In shops, closers were always pre-mounted by the time I used them, so I was unaware there may be an issue.
Nice to be able to head it off at the pass!
Another well done video Joe!....I have been wondering why, at my advanced age, that I crave knowledge like a pregnant woman craves ice cream, .....then I read what Einstein said: " Live like you are going to die tomorrow, learn like you are going to live forever, and never stop questioning."
Excellent tip Joe. I inherited a Nardini Lathe from another department and the closer rattled like a screen door in a tornado. I did the same thing and it made a world of difference. The only problem is any time I have to open the door to access the drive belts, change gears, etc., I have to remove the geared collar and indicate it in again. I made a plug and installed it on the end of a piece of all thread (the spindle ID is larger than the collar ID). I can feed it in from the chuck end and use that to align the geared collar and the spindle. It gets me close enough to eliminate the rattle.
Thanks for the video, going to try and tune mine up - driving me crazy for several years.
I would be interested in either a sew on patch or a cap. I have so many t shirts it is ridiculous.
Thanks for another great video and best wishes to you and your family for 2019.
Hey Joe, most definitely a shirt or two! Great fix, as always. I've had to do this in the past, but did not figure it out as quick as the video.
Thanks,
Chuck
Thx Joe. Never thought about back end alignment!
thanks for posting this...i have a takisawa with a very similar closing mechanism, and my bouncing handle is borderline dangerous.
You do nice work Joe. Thanks
Thanks for this Joe, I had to make the ratchet part for mine and have been fighting vibration ever since without really knowing what the issue was. I assumed it was runout on the end, not the OD! Going to give this a try tonight.
Thanks joe, I have older yuasa engine lathe with a royal 5c closer, has always rattled, tried your method and now it’s perfect,, thanks again
I found one of those cogged 'gears' on the end of my now restored 12" Atlas Commercial lathe. Some folks online told me what that part was for, but I never really understood until now. Unfortunately, I don't have any of the other parts for it. Looks like a useful attachment.
Slick fix Joe. Nothing more satisfying than a quiet well running piece of equipment. Happy New Year.. Fred Ontario, NY
Thanks for another great tip. I'll support the channel.
I really appreciate your advice and informative videos Joe. I would definitely buy a shirt or two, preferably black. Black goes with everything and it's hard to tell if you get a stain on them.
nice fix, I have a manual closer and I machined a delrin sleeve to make the tube fit snug and concentric
Your closer is the same as a Clausing and sim. to Hardinge. Good job, I have done this to all 4 of mine, makes a great diff.
Hi Randy. The first time I was shown this, I was amazed at what a difference it made. Thanks for stopping by.
+1 for Patreon, I need to pay you back for all the time you have save me at work!
Thanks Joe! Worked like a charm.
Happy New Year! Will continue watching! Many videos help me a lot in daily work!
You should do a video on knee-mill repair/maintenance and backlash adjustments.
Great topic! My Harrison lathe manual has a section on this procedure.
Happy New Year, nice to see you back ! Even if I don't have a noisy closer ;-) Have a healthy and successful year, Joe!
Great work Joe! I enjoy your video’s, which are always informative. By the way, I would be interested in one of your T-shirts to add to my collection of 200 plus, which is constantly growing.
I'm your neighbor from up the road that met you at the Good of the Land Fest. Would definitely pick up a t-shirt to represent your company and channel. You might check in to Bunker Branding...it is a content creator specific company started by the Demolition Ranch/Off The Ranch guy and his wife to support merchandising for UA-cam creators. Not sure how the cost compares to Teespring, but worth checking in to.
Awesome. Thanks For sharing your time and talent.
great diagnosis and repair ,thanks for the video,,
Well there you go, didn’t know you could adjust that, I worked and a electrical component manufacturer. Had a little lathe I ran. I actually got fast enough with it that I got into trouble with the union day shift boss and got an red ink write up for stressing out the day shift union workers (night shift, my shift was non-union workers)
T-shirts would be a great idea!
One thing I noticed in this video is how you had the dial indicator attached to the clamp. I never thought about a dovetail being there to mount the indicator. I will have to see if mine has that.
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When time is found, I would like an explanation about how lathe tools works.
Using an insert desigened to go towards the headstock, what would hapend when cutting ”the wrong way”?
It’s with great intrest I watch Your videos!
Regards PeO
Thank you for all your videos
Thanks for the video Joe.
I'd like to buy a shirt. I've learned a lot from watching your videos. Thanks!
Re. "T" shirts. Possibly including the spider?
Thanks Joe Happy New Year's great content to start the New Year out with, and some Joe Pie A.I. swag would be👍
Thanks again for the great content. Ii would be in for a shirt or two, only problem the shipping would probably cost more than the shirts... and there is a good chance they will go missing in the mail..
You do such a great job and share so many brilliant ideas, a huge Thank You for that. I feel like You deserve at least 500k subs. And I wish You that for this year.
Ps. Do You send t-shirts worldwide?
T-shirts, yes!
Especially if they say, "I NEED A HUGe amount of money to support my machining hobby!" and include your logo
I would like a t-shirt from both the diving and machining side.
God bless and happy new year Joe..
Great video as always! Thanks for sharing, I would buy a t-shirt!.
lovely video, thank you!
Happy new year Joe :)
Handy tips thanks
They run even better if the face of the spindle extension runs true also. I filed and stoned that face to .0002 run out and indicated the "ratchet" plate I.D. to .0002. You could stand a penny, on edge, on the end of the quick change lever at 2500 RPMs.
I'd be in for a t-shirt.
I would take either!
I'd buy a shirt... I've gleaned a lot of info from you.
I've been trying to figure out how to do this on a hardinge for a few years now and this technique unfortunately won't work because that catch gear floats freely. I'm thinking where it gets oh is where the arm assembly clamps down to the large bearing but I have monkey with it and it's still not quite right it can get to vibrating like hell if you have any tips on the hardinge style closer I would greatly appreciate everything
@@donnerpartysupplies5187 well thanks for the great reply man I appreciate it. I actually only hit the center it on the bearings a little bit better and now there's no vibration at all. I used to get really bad at certain speeds but I ran it up and down and I can't get it to vibrate I tried 3/4 5/8 in 1/2 inch I figured if I can't get it to vibrate at those sizes at full range then I'm pretty good to go LOL
all those ideas that you just gave me I'm going to file that for sure you're very knowledgeable. I got this machine for free believe it or not I mean it's not the most expensive of hardinge machines the DSM59 BUT IT SURE COMES IN HANDY!
The shop they gave it to me should fire all their maintenance guys because they said the thing was fried it's at for 30 years under a tarp the only thing that was wrong with it was the main power transformer I'm not talking about in the e-box I'm talking about the shop power. I don't know the proper terminology for that. And there was all kinds of notes around the machine about what worked and what did not they had the speed controls wired backwards and the speed sensors wired backwards so basically the limits answers did nothing and you could crash the pulley motor because there was no stop to it. Instead they wrote in sharpie do not pass this point LOL how can you be an electrical maintenance guy and not understand a simple diagram or how to trace a limit sensor LOL
They said that the flood pump did not work and all it was was a sticky relay. It's not really a relay I can't think of the Damned name of the component I'm having a senior moment lol but you know what I'm talkin about the relay actuator deal? It was just sticky that was it Jesus Christ these people are so bad this machine was like brand new other than it's paid job I mean it was completely covered the ways we're like a mirror they were so perfect everything was perfect on the thing and they just gave it to me LOL what a deal I got I'm not trying to brag I am consider myself very very fortunate right place at the right time sort of deal
thank you very much again for your help I will print this off and file it
I'd go for a A.I. shirt Joe
I would get a shirt.......make it cool though!
I have the same closer, it's a Royal, even after 30 years my collets still run true to a couple of tenths. I just checked mine and it's quiet, I think I dialed it in when I got it but I don't remember.
always need a teeshirt joe
Was hoping to use to get for the closer on my Tormach lathe. Sadly I've already done this. The manual says to get it within 0.001". No matter what I do the wobble stays. Occasionally it'll be fine. Might have something to do with the closer unit itself. I've resorted to unscrewing the handle instead. Keeps the noise down anyways
The timing for this video couldn’t be better as I just bought a royal collet closer off eBay and have your same lathe. Is the lever hinge mounted to the fiberglass end cap only or is their additional support that I can’t see? I would like to support your channel but can’t support patreon. Abom had this problem and set up a paypal account for those who don’t support patreon. Could you consider this-thank you again for your great videos!
My closer anchor sits on a thick large plate I made to distribute the force over a bigger area on that fiberglass cover. That end cover is $3000 if you crack it, so a plate is suggested. I do have a paypal account for donations and business transactions. the target account is jpieczynski221@aol.com
Thank you for replying!
T's are good!!!
I would buy a pocket t or 3
Thomas "Woody" Woodrow, W-MACHINE
I watch your site regularly and get and use many of your great tips and tricks. I also share some of them with friends. In my opinion yours is one of the best presented, most informative, channels on UA-cam. As for this one, please, if the followers of your channel with this problem haven't diagnosed the fix for this on their own they won't be able to understand much of anything you show and talk about on your site. Give me (us) a break.
I'm surprised with your timing of setting up a Patreon account. I love your content, but I value free speech even more.
I get considerable comments about my subscribers wanting to contribute to this channel as a thank you. It was done for that reason. I too value free speech.
Would love the machine shop Tees. Black
Thoughts on locktite on those screws to prevent further loosening?
Sure, make some cool shirts. even though I like the dive shirts. I've been a diver for many years myself.
Lathe envy!
Better than a t-shirt is coffee mugs!
Teespring does offer the coffee mug option if Joe sets up a coffee mug design product. I don't know if teesping is better than custom inc. Lowes UA-cam channel uses teespring. Haven't seen an example of custom inc. On any channel's yet.
I'll buy T-Shirt....and Coffee Mug......and drink Tea out of the mug while wearing the Shirt !!!
My vote for a T-shirt is yes
Hey joe, I’d buy a T-shirt
Yes please (Rotary table work)
T shirts. Yes.
Working on it.
I'd take a shirt or two
I’m in for a shirt.
T shirts or stickers
Hobbyists beware.
Watching too many Joe P and other cool content producers may induce mild
to severe case of CID (cast iron deficiency).
I know I got it. The symptoms may
include but not limited to:
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Rearranging the back yard and flying 4,000 pound
pecan trees over the house so 3,000 pound machines can roll to the shop
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Tearing down sheds and making I Beam structure
additions with reinforced concrete floors
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Selling the whole machine collection and starting
a new collection with bigger machines
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Being rewarded for the whole crazy adventure with finding amazing treasure troves
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Running into problems with the new machines that are actually covered in Joe’s videos
I’ve found too many cool, new condition toys to list but the major finds are:
1974 Bridgeport that looks unused
1971 Harrison 13X40 L6 MK III with a GE hour meter. Manual
calls for 80 hours of break in, hour meter shows 78
Cincinnati Monoset clone, Denver Astro made in Taiwan circa
early 90’s
Brown & Sharpe No 2 surface grinder with WWII Picatinny Arsenal
tag U.S.P 2401
The grinders are project machines. They were so dirty; I couldn’t tell what color the B&S was. They have cleaned
up beautifully. The B&S has its original paint and all the ways still have the original flaking. Here
is a sample album of the adventure: photos.app.goo.gl/JzE77Pb17kKyeGBG9
As you can see, the lathe was stuffed in its final resting place with the OEM Royal collet closer in the spindle. I can’t use the chucks, but I can mark where the wall needs a hole so the draw tube can be installed and removed without moving the lathe. A couple of days before this video, I ran the machine and had the problem Joe is describing. Coming from a South Bend and having no real experience, my first guess was a bent tube. Middle of the night worrying gave me the idea to check the runout on the spindle attachment. It was way out. Having no patience, I indicated it within a couple of thou over the notches and with the tube in the spindle. The shake went away. The next day I saw this video. At least when I pull the lathe out to cut the hole and add more shelves, the job of indicating it will be a lot easier with the draw tube out and using the ID.
Thanks Joe for all the amazing cool knowledge you are so freely willing to share. I don’t care if you make underwear with holes in it, I would proudly buy it and wear it.
Shawn, Phoenix
Go for the shirts.".................
Absolutely. It just seems better to get something back, like a hat or t-shirt, than just pay some money. I would probably give twice as much if I got something tangible in return. And I love t-shirts that make people ask what it means so I can get somebody else interested in my hobbies. Love your channel.
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put me down for a shirt or two...
They are being planned. Keep checking back. Thanks.
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