DID DAVE MUSTAINE SING & PLAY ON THE "RIDE THE LIGHTNING DEMO"?
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2017
- Haven't uploaded a video in awhile, and had come across some 'facts' that simply weren't true.
Hope you enjoy the video. Don't worry about my Casset tape, it is fine. Just too old to play anymore.
You sound like Lars
Minus the accent.
ummmm
lol
Mr Tato lol
Hahah he does
Dave Mustaine played kazoo on Moth Into Flame.
That was him singing, actually.
I do get the two confused.
pilgrimMj No, that's Robert's job.
Ye right he played the armless,legless, wonder of the twentieth century in the One video too
NO!!! Roberto Agustín Miguel Santiago Samuel Perez de la Santa Concepción Trujillo Veracruz Bautista plays kazoo in Metallica
Flash before my eyes
Now it's time to die-AH
Definitely James, 100% positive.
He's a modern day Shakespeare.
Lol as soon as I heard the die-AHH...I was like "yep, definitely James"
mindpurge in the 90’s my buddy had rare ep and it definitely sounded like mustaine singing. But that one is definitely James
People are tone deaf if they think that's Mustane.
Mr Aguia I'm tone deaf and I could tell it was James. He was trying to channel his inner King Diamond 😉
@@seanoconnor5730 tone deaf? I don’t wanna be offensive or anything, but exactly what’s that?
@@Krzztl hear me sing and you'll understand why
@@seanoconnor5730 singing is for gays anyways.
It's funny because even on the youtube one, you can clearly tell it is James. Not sure where people got confused.
Steve at certain parts it sounds sorta like daves live singing but deeper
ditto. Still sounds like James-ha! been listening to both bands since 1990, not too much after these albums came out.
Steve exactly its obvious its james
Steve if Dave mustaine sounded like that then that would mean he sang on kill me all
Yeah, if you've listened to any Metallica album at all, you can clearly hear the 'yah' that James sometimes added to the end of each verse.
Sounds nothing like Mustaine on both the yt and fixed versions. It sounds just like James singing live in 1985. The fact that people actually thought that was Dave... just wow.
It does sound a lot like Dave, but you can still clearly tell that it's James.
BirdsElopeWithTheSun wtf it doesn't
BirdsElopeWithTheSun Well that's a gigantic contradiction
If you only know stuff like black album it would be hard to believe that's james singing
@@marcinmcula99well if you’re familiar with James’ live voice from the early and mid 80s you can clearly tell it’s James.
It's James singing %100
James James James and James.
There's no mistaking James' voice, no matter which era we're talking about.
Aiden Hamilton Music James Blowing Lars maybe
100% James
Yeah wait. No Lars is the gayest. I'm so ashamed of those guys.
Yup! Dave sang every songs in KEA and RTL, he also played the guitar, bass and drums as well.
Lou Angeles he could prob play drums better than lars
Dave em All
@@dablindscooter1973 agreed xd
And every album after that too, even St. Anger
I believe it
even on the UA-cam version it's still really obvious that James is singing.
EXACTLY
His voice is distinct
James' growl is unmistakable...always has been. I don't care how old he is. It's been what has always set him apart.
Yep, and James' voice is also deeper.
James can growl but dave knocked him the F out! 😆
Dave's voice is very nasal
thats definately james - its Mustaines pitch but nothing like his style
Dhruv Kotecha there are no grunts or whines
Dhruv Kotecha Agreed.
Skot Wilson of
"Nooow it's time, to diiiee YA!"
Yep. That's Hetfield.
Dhruv Kotecha Dave didn't have his signature style back then
Another way to confirm that dave did not sing on the album is in an interview I say some time ago. In it Dave claimed that during the inception of Megadeth they were looking for a lead vocalist. When they couldn't find one, Dave ended up singing. Which means that it's highly unlikely that Dave would even attempt to sing on the demo.
Dames Metfield is my favourite Metallica Member
haha that's fuckin mad funny lmao
Metallideth
Honestly I prefer Jave Hustaine for his flute work on Kill The Lightning
To me, it's clear that James is singing.
You are all deaf, it is Lars singing
It's def kirk
Even at a higher pitch, it still sounds like James. It doesn't sound a thing like mustaine. He has a much different singing style. It's a lot more nasally
lars’ UA-cam account
"Whatever the hell that's called"
yeah right Dave , hahahah
lol you'd have to be completely tone deaf to not be able to pick up on that signature James vocal in the original demo recording
I wish i was a teen in the 80s. It must have been a badass time from what I remember as a kid.
History tends to side that metal was so big in the 80's.. I was there, trust me, it wasn't that big. Poppy dance etc music was freaking huge. Metal foe the moat part was pretty much always underground.
As soon as you played the higher pitched one, it instantly hit me as James. The fact that anyone thought it was Dave blows my mind, like it's so obvious that it's James.
Ride the lightning is still a very solid strong album to this day.
still have all my metallica cassette ! nothing sound more better than and justice for all... on cassette in my opinion
i love the first song on side B from Justice for all.. album , few years ago i was also have their all album (megadeth and metallica) but i sold it all! # in my opinion : cassette are suck!
Man, it's clearly James on vocals
you've got my vote on the enhanced demo upload! And thank you for all your hard work
Yeah that's definitely James even the way he pronounces his words.. "YEAH, HEEEYEEERE YEAH!" "SOMEONE ELSE CONTROLLING MEEEEYEAAAH!"
it all comes down to the solos..if its hammett like vibrato its hammett, if not mustaine. I always knew the claims on youtube were a sham. There IS a cool rehearsal tape of Mustaine and Lars and James though flying around the web..great channel btw!
Got a link for that video? Would love to see that.
Mattowarrior777 Due to lack of writing time, Hammett used a lot of Mustaine's solos on Kill 'Em All (especially the outro solo to The Four Horsemen), but, everything on Ride the Lightning is Hammett.
MKDumas1981 hammett didnt copy daves solos note for note he improvised a bit
Dude, it's fucking 2017, stop living in 1985. You know how dumb this makes you look?
John lydon he was superior at ONE style of playing, but metallica went in another direction with complex melodies/superior song construction, and solos that had more feeling than just tremolo picking wildly, and that's what makes a great guitarist. Mustaine will always play 3rd fiddle 🤘
What I like about dave's rhythm section is that he changes a lot of 5th chords (powerchords) into 3rd chords and various other little things. 8:15 shows this quite well. I was pleasantly surprised when learning holy wars because it wasn't all powerchords, I mean he obviously uses them, but he mixes it up with other chords to create interesting changes in mood as opposed if you were to just play it all in 5ths.
For the record though, he's not playing 3rds at 8:15, think it's 2nds and dissonant out of scale stuff. I'm not fantastic at music theory but he's definitely not a powerchord workhorse like so many metal guitarists back then.
"...I can't even remember what the name of that song was..."
Suuuuuuuuuuure, Dave.
Both audio versions sound like James.
So awesome of you showing that vintage cassette of "Ride the Lightning" Brings back so many memories. I was 11 years old when that was released. Kudos
Dave was thrown out of the band in april of 1983. The Ride The Lightning demo was recorded in september of 1983. Just before they began work on Ride The Lightning album in Copenhagen. Remaining songs were completed in the studio. Also the first time Dave was singing was only when he formed Megadeth. Before that he was trying to find the singer. Eventually he decided that he will do the vocals.
Dave never sing anything in Metallica, but good video, like your channel
Sang backing vocals.
lucky dominguez he also sang a couple songs at their early live shows
lucky dominguez well being he wrote most of the songs and music on killemall i imagine dave sung many of those songs as he did live on stage in the very early days.
there is a bootleg audio recording of him singing Am I Evil live with metallica
lucky dominguez sang on no life 'til leather
It's clearly James on the demos.
I disagree that it was a low blow to use Mustaine's riffs after he left. He got royalties for it.
He didn't give a shit about royalties. Those were his songs.
And no. He wrote 5 of the 6 credited songs BEFORE he joined Metallica.
Mustaine also had the right to use the stuff he wrote, as he did with "Mechanix" and the intro to "Hangar 18"
11DNA11 no he didn't idiot he only wrote 2 songs which were jump in the fire and mechanix before metallica
Oh? He wrote Hangar 18, which Call of Ktulu is based on BEFORE he joined. Rust In Peace... Polaris was also written during his time in Panic.
Idiot.
You've earned my subscription
I own cd vinyl and cassette of Rust in Peace
way better than ride the lightning.
Taggart Knutson \m/ \m/ \m/
Taggart Knutson Opinion, not fact
fact
Wolf92xd kirk can't shred like Marty and Dave.
good vid man I enjoyed the hell out of it
On the Behind the Music documentary about Megadeth it was said that after 6 months without sucess in finding a singer, Dave just stepped up and sang while playing guitar and it was the first time he done that and it was really hard for him at first.
What was the documentary you showed that talked about Dave talking into the microphone?
is there a full show from that day on the green for metallica's set anywhere in existence?
i remember gettin that demo off of limewire in highschool, we all thought it was dave singing then, but its so obvious now 10+ years later after 1st hearing it that its james singing
I really don't know how people can think it's Dave. He's using different throat shapes at times, but he was new to singing.
Demos recorded in august 83 (four months after Dave left). Same session as the "live" versions of 'Seek' and 'Phantom' were recorded for Jump in the fire B-sides. This was in SF in between shows on the KEA tour.
it most definitely James! I roadied for megadeth afew years ago iv spoken to Dave about this.its James I tell u!
ratana paul oh yeah what year did you talk to him about it..hmmm
ratana paul yeah, stop lying...
ratana paul prove it
Yeah.ah.
this comment reeks of bullshit lol
Dave Mustine wrote mostly the riff and james probably got Dave ideas
That thumbnail is perfection
He did sing in Metallica. The only thing he sang was "Killing Time!". That's it.
I wore that tape out! Man brings back memories
When i heard "For Whom the Bell Tolls" for the first time,studio version,i could swear to God it was Dave who was singing
the demos were recorded in a garage in late 1983. Call of Ktulu was originally called "When Hell Freezes Over".
Dave did the vocals on Call of Ktulu
I used to wear cassettes out I would listen to the old metallica so much.
love ride the lighting
Not once have I ever thought anyone but James was singing..
Loved The tapes
awesome video!!!
anyway thumbs up sir, how could you not give some Awesome music listens and talk from you teen years a thumbs up
I love when you can here cliff
Awesome video
Pfft, I was listening to this album back before the see through cassettes, haha.
To answer the question, no Dave didn’t sing and play on those records, however there is a rumour that he played the solos on St. Anger though….
I love young Jaymzzzz voice.
8:11 Ride the Lightning was one of the coolest songs I've ever heard, at 12 or 13...now I'm 30 and this is the first time I've heard it played the way it was written...wow......what could have been...
Just listen to Wake Up dead. Pretty much Daves version.
Didn't dave write call of ktulu? I can't remember if you said anything about it but I heard you say he didn't play at all on ride the lightning. Maybe he wrote it, they took it and the rest is history?
did you ever upload the fixed demo?
Omg that sounds so different! Still good but really different!!
Many years ago, I had a demo called "fight fire with fire".........allegedly Dave played guitar on it, which could be possible since one of the songs on it is "the mechanix" with the megadeth lyrics. Also, the call of ktulu was called when the hell freezes over. Most of the songs on the demo were ones mustaine wrote, so that particular demo, I would say was him on guitar, and if that's the case, even then, it was definitely James singing.
Cool stuff!
dude yeah listening to music was a privilege. that comment alone just smacked me with nostalgia. i had forgotten how many times my dad almost ripped me to shreds because I would sneek and listen to HIS Metallica records. dont even get me started when the black album came out. i could only listen to it when he would put it on.
"Knock! Knock!"
"Who's there!"
"Dave!"
"Dave's not here!"
I think the single note harmony lead intro was created by Mustaine as well. At least for what can be done on just one guitar at a time. It sure sounds like more a Megadeth style intro than Metalica intro. Perhaps Cliff helped with it in that some of the harmony is in 5ths, some note or 2 notes is in 4ths I believe. I know Cliff was the only music theory expert in the band. So he probably had a hand in the intro. With that I know there is no other choppy lead line as a rhythmic piece ever used like that on any other track for any of the 80's Metalica records. Megadeth had that kind of stuff quite often. Dave I'm sure just didn't remember since he didn't even remember the title Ride The Lightning especially when it was the title to the second Metalica album.
Actually weirdly enough and as bizarre as it sounds Lars wrote that intro! Although cliff wrote the harmonies over the top of it! Dave said Lars created the intro by humming it so James or Dave could create it and cliff created the harmonies for it.
The title ride the lightning was actually created by Kirk as was the awesome solo
@@deletedhero5579 did Mustaine admitt that? If so then he's even more wishy washy than I've learned him to be.
@@bobowrathsovine. I know it's hard to believe!
Original was on Megaforce, not Elektra.
You should upload the whole fixed audio version!
My dad has the same kick ass cassette as you, METALLICA FOR THE WIN
Lost track when I saw Cliff headbanging. He was a fucking beast.
Man, really interesting video. But I wish the mixing of the background musing was a few db lower. I genuinely have trouble focusing on your talking when James goes 'YEAH!' in the background. :)
I will always be a vinal fan, even though it's older than me..
Interesting enough, on Metal Blade's 1982 compilation, Metal Massacre 2, Lloyd Grant and Dave Mustaine are credited as playing guitar in "Hit the Lights," and James Hetfield is only credited as vocals. I remember when that came out. Now, James' voice on Hit the Lights sounds so high pitched, he definitely sounds like a kid.
An interesting listen, for those who want to hear Mustaine with young Metallica. It's on UA-cam.
FreeRPGer He was a kid.
Indeed, I was 15 in 1982, so they must've been close to the same.
they were 17/18
It's not Metal Massacre 2, it is the original Metal Massacre (1). I own the first pressing with Metallica spelled wrong as "Mettallica".
It pisses me off when older people go on that younger people don't know what a cassette is, i was born in 2000 and I've been buying cassettes since i was 12. I even still buy them today and i have around 25/30.
I could tell it was James before it was fixed. Those of us deeply familiar with their music would know.
The way James sings flashed before my eyes he sings it lower towards the end. Dave doesn’t really do that he would’ve just screamed eyes and add a “ohhh” or a loud screech after it.
Ride The Lightning on cassette tape was my first album
The lightning idea was Kirks he read it in a stephen king novel or something along those lines
You can tell that's James by the signature yowls and the end of words
i mean just from the added "-ahs" you can tell its james hetfield - nice video!
Dave Mustaine used to play 1/4 step down and likely recorded that way for no life till leather
That's James on both versions without a doubt!
There are vids in cliff'em with Dave singing. If not that one the un authorized version, other early live bootlegs as well. Dave sings whiplash live in the early days.
I knew of Metallica since 83 but didn't hear them till 84. I remember reading some fanzine talking about Mustaine's new band called Megadeth & they'd be putting out there first album soon. I knew that he was the lead guitarist before Hammet. I love the songs Dave helped write but have never thought it was cool to use his parts once he was out.
haha the combination between the cassette and the pen
yeah, ride the lightning good album.
James had a high voice on Hit The Lights on Metal Massacre. This sounds like his vocals on Metal Massacre.
Tape players had a tiny rubber band to move the wheels around like a drive belt.When the rubber band stretched over time, the speed of the player would gradually get slower and slower.
That in turn affects the pitch of the overall recording.
Real Metallica fans know James voice . That is James 100%
In videos from their early days with Mustaine you can clearly see him doing backup vocals, so technically he did sing sometimes.
Haha the thumbnail. That's quite the comb over on Cliff-Dave
I knew it was Hetfield when he sang "now it's time to dieeeaahhh!!!
Let me tell you that last week i was recording my vocals with my band and on the record singing sounds SOOOO diffrent that even i couldnt recognize myself .
Dave originally did not even want to sing for megadeth, he just couldnt find a singer so he said fuck it and did it himself
Good job.