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  • @allen8929
    @allen8929 4 роки тому +19842

    The old man who said " I blasted him "
    He definitely got flashbacks. Yea, you can see it from his reaction

    • @tylandooo
      @tylandooo 4 роки тому +598

      Allen almost like he pictured it in his head or he visioned it in front of him

    • @sandra-qv1np
      @sandra-qv1np 4 роки тому +51

      what the hell aye same profile pic

    • @CarstenReg
      @CarstenReg 4 роки тому +5

      You can see things? Waw

    • @ethansafrany6668
      @ethansafrany6668 4 роки тому +134

      martin longford he did u can tell by the way he paused and looked down i would bet all the money in the world he remembered and visioned it in his head..... its not so hard to realize.

    • @ethansafrany6668
      @ethansafrany6668 4 роки тому +19

      martin longford haha why you mad!

  • @ceren1973
    @ceren1973 4 роки тому +7318

    Watching that old man hit me hard.
    “There is a body there, but there is nothing at all there”

    • @EnzolioLP
      @EnzolioLP 4 роки тому +134

      makes you question about the soul of a human and what happenes in that moment of death.

    • @dimitriosk5124
      @dimitriosk5124 4 роки тому +14

      I was watching the video and read the comments and then I read your comment and the old man said exactly what you wrote that was good timing

    • @heartfreckle2913
      @heartfreckle2913 4 роки тому +3

      DIMITRIOS K same

    • @zomboss9242
      @zomboss9242 4 роки тому +4

      Ceren *”I killed that boy,” he said slowly, “I killed him”*

    • @883mustang
      @883mustang 4 роки тому +32

      Me and my wife just lost our cat a week ago.. the way the older Vietnam vet says there’s a body but nothing there .... was exactly the way I describe seeing our cat once we woke up and seen him in the living room... it changes you in a way nothing else can

  • @julioenriquebrunenruiz396
    @julioenriquebrunenruiz396 Рік тому +619

    My grandfather fought at the Spanish Civil War. One day I asked him if he had ever killed someone. He stared at me with infinite sadness in his eyes and he just said: 'I would prefer dying before fighting another war'. We didn't talk about it any more. I miss him.

    • @kortez900
      @kortez900 Рік тому +9

      It wasn’t about whether they deserved to live, of course they do. They were just conditioned to die.

    • @michaelfowle876
      @michaelfowle876 5 місяців тому +1

      What side did he fight on?

    • @detch01
      @detch01 День тому

      I understand the sadness your Grandfather had. You can't escape it but you do learn to live with it.

  • @ericcrabtree6245
    @ericcrabtree6245 2 роки тому +3219

    If you meet a combat veteran and don’t know them really well, don’t ask if they’ve killed someone. It’s deeply personal to them and classless of the questioner.

    • @JinxMarie1985
      @JinxMarie1985 2 роки тому +133

      Well they must have signed paperwork to do this. But of course I wouldn't ask about killing to a vet. The fear and images must come flooding back. RIP to those who fought for their country and died on killing fields.

    • @jam13rocks
      @jam13rocks 2 роки тому +118

      That’s the point of this video, they knew what they were signing up for. Its not like they were just interviewing random veterans.

    • @ericcrabtree6245
      @ericcrabtree6245 2 роки тому +59

      I’m not talking about the people in this video but giving advice to people who might meet veterans out in the world.

    • @Ash-wi7vn
      @Ash-wi7vn 2 роки тому +9

      I’ve never asked my papaw and I know he is messed up from it I’ve talked abt nam with him but never about death

    • @SheSingsThat
      @SheSingsThat 2 роки тому +26

      @@Ash-wi7vn My Papa, God rest him, fought in WW1, lost part of his hand and was left with permanent shrapnel in his leg when he took a grenade from another young man who had pulled the pin and froze in panic. He very nearly died in an African field hospital, his Purple Heart was stolen by someone on the ship home, and when he finally made it they stuck him on a train to travel the country to help sell war bonds as a hero. Fascinating stuff but he would never, ever tell a war story. He refused to replace his stolen medals, and wouldn't allow his preserved uniform to be displayed. He was a carpenter and the kindest, most gentle man I have ever known and I think that the trauma was so deep he couldn't allow it to surface. Even in his late 80s all he would say is "War is proof that the only hell is here on earth." I wish I could have known more about that chapter of his life but I understand why he couldn't speak about it.

  • @ruguoserliegise2716
    @ruguoserliegise2716 4 роки тому +18260

    “They’re not real people, they’re just targets”
    Damn

    • @anthony-om3iq
      @anthony-om3iq 4 роки тому +1258

      Ya in Vietnam they tell you to say that to yourself so you wont think about it

    • @twixter0
      @twixter0 4 роки тому +697

      me in cod

    • @zanechilson9306
      @zanechilson9306 4 роки тому +105

      aceflo You're pathetic.

    • @RexTheDinosaur1
      @RexTheDinosaur1 4 роки тому +536

      @@twixter0 fuck off if you're comparing a damn video game with real life and human flesh people you're a sick bastard.

    • @forknife326
      @forknife326 4 роки тому +663

      @@RexTheDinosaur1 you need to chill tf out stop being trigger

  • @cmft9358
    @cmft9358 4 роки тому +5733

    When the old man said "They're not real people, they're just targets.." it sounded like it wasn't really part of what he told us, but more so something he just tells himself to be able to cope with having shot and killed someone.

    • @ImHaizen
      @ImHaizen 4 роки тому +39

      CMFT93 thought the same thing.

    • @mjb91
      @mjb91 4 роки тому +211

      Sounded like he was quoting someone else--the way his voice sort of changed at that moment.

    • @leonardopab5
      @leonardopab5 4 роки тому +113

      Of course he knows they are real people. It's a metaphor. What he probably wants to say is that he acted like they were just targets. He had to shoot.

    • @TheMusicGunMan
      @TheMusicGunMan 4 роки тому +51

      CMFT93 in boot camp we shoot silhouette targets, and other people I have asked who had been deployed into war zones said that when they see the enemy, they look like the silhouette targets we trained on. So in a sense, yeah it dehumanizes the enemy to where you see a target, not a person with hopes and dreams.

    • @markkusallinen3469
      @markkusallinen3469 4 роки тому +14

      I mean soldiers are taught to dehumanize the enemy. Easier to kill

  • @Aveofficialtone
    @Aveofficialtone 2 роки тому +1513

    The old man with the glasses touched my heart. “They’re not people they’re just targets”. These are the humans our government brings home and asks to work in fast food restaurants etc.. imagine killing men and being trained to see humans as targets then coming home to be talked down to by some Burger King manager.

    • @mikemitchell6455
      @mikemitchell6455 2 роки тому +45

      Very few go into fast food. Majority of us have good paying jobs. Learn before you comment.

    • @plzitzjustmahcheezits909
      @plzitzjustmahcheezits909 2 роки тому +28

      @@mikemitchell6455 Yea many of u also end up on the fucking streets

    • @wovasteengova
      @wovasteengova 2 роки тому +15

      @@plzitzjustmahcheezits909 true. But the army has a lot of support programs for us. I have respect for that. It shows they care.

    • @zachstarcher3940
      @zachstarcher3940 2 роки тому +24

      We all praise our military and say soldiers are fighting for our freedom. And we praise dumb kids for joining. The amount of innocent civilians killed is ridiculous and not worth it. Being an aggressor in a foreign land is not always defending our homeland. Ignorance is not an excuse. Soldiers ARE responsible for their actions. You should feel bad. War sucks. WAKE UP people!!!

    • @francoisdaureville323
      @francoisdaureville323 2 роки тому +3

      @@zachstarcher3940 🙄🙄🙄 ugh for people like you is why men are such petals today

  • @catherinewyatt1675
    @catherinewyatt1675 Рік тому +716

    My older brother was in Vietnam. The last time we saw him, the real him, was when he left on that bus.
    He was never the same when he returned home.
    Nightmares, bouts of anger, depression, his life was a living hell. We lost him 2 yrs ago from cancer.
    Your finally at peace my brother.
    You deserve precious peace. Love you and miss you every day. ❤️

    • @rabbit0164
      @rabbit0164 Рік тому +9

      If it makes you feel better he is in the good place. I promise

    • @godricsalazar5506
      @godricsalazar5506 Рік тому +10

      I'm really sorry about your brother... May he rest in peace.

    • @kyleconde1839
      @kyleconde1839 Рік тому +8

      May your brother rest in peace 🙏🏾

    • @b_f_d_d
      @b_f_d_d Рік тому +3

      Rest in peace ❤

    • @rickyb5499
      @rickyb5499 Рік тому +2

      May your brother R.I.P 🙏

  • @cristiansanchez1837
    @cristiansanchez1837 4 роки тому +18501

    “war is young men dying and old men talking” - FDR

    • @jamesbombss5777
      @jamesbombss5777 4 роки тому +146

      Cristian Sánchez Old men talking about things that could affect millions of people.

    • @liamweaver2944
      @liamweaver2944 4 роки тому +538

      “Only the dead have seen the end of war.”
      -Plato

    • @mikethomas3462
      @mikethomas3462 4 роки тому +53

      It’s an older proverb and not owned by FDR but nonetheless an honorable figure to use for the quote 👍🏻

    • @damianv6979
      @damianv6979 4 роки тому +33

      I thought it was a quote from Odysseus in Troy

    • @juanthedumbidiot4443
      @juanthedumbidiot4443 4 роки тому +49

      Cristian Sánchez this is a quote that would pop up on Call of Duty when you die In campaign

  • @thiccdogo6624
    @thiccdogo6624 5 років тому +33688

    “Only the dead have seen the end of war.”
    ― Plato

  • @Cvusmo
    @Cvusmo 2 роки тому +658

    "What death looks like is nothing." Lonnie nailed it. I've got 3 deployments to Afghanistan as an infantryman. It's weird because we normally don't talk about this ever. Seeing these guys share this stuff is intense.

    • @lockhartls
      @lockhartls 2 роки тому +22

      Lonnie is the guy telling us the man to man truth like he’s just chilling at home there is no cameras just you a 30 rack of miller and Lonnie explaining death ☠️

    • @Luisn_n
      @Luisn_n Рік тому +5

      Thank you for your service

    • @sixthirtyfife
      @sixthirtyfife Рік тому +1

      I cried. Tears rolled down. I can't say I can start to imagine what he went through, but my heart goes out to him.

    • @somewhrntm
      @somewhrntm Рік тому +9

      I think that if vets talked to other vets, it could help with a lot of the PTSD.

    • @b_f_d_d
      @b_f_d_d Рік тому +3

      @@somewhrntm i think it would comfort them a bit knowing they're not alone

  • @rtepik9976
    @rtepik9976 2 роки тому +364

    The silence before lonnie said “I blasted him…” and the face was just dead empty and it gave me goosebumps

    • @sophiaashley7973
      @sophiaashley7973 2 роки тому

      I felt the same I really want to contribute make a change help the young veterans. wdyt?

    • @tonyalford125
      @tonyalford125 Рік тому

      I said damn Lonnie you gangster sorry 🙇🏽‍♂️😂

  • @moby7384
    @moby7384 4 роки тому +32253

    The old guy with glasses isn’t just retelling the story, he’s re-living it.

    • @luciusmaximuuus4406
      @luciusmaximuuus4406 3 роки тому +988

      at the same time he is talking, he was feeling everything a that moment hoy can see on his eyes the expresión on the face

    • @Eray2007
      @Eray2007 3 роки тому +165

      You mean Jeremy Corbyn

    • @eddiet2568
      @eddiet2568 3 роки тому +46

      damn true man

    • @kaitouchiha6748
      @kaitouchiha6748 3 роки тому +75

      I think he would be the best player in COD MW

    • @gangsta74110
      @gangsta74110 3 роки тому +288

      It's really heartbreaking, he seemed ravaged by those memories

  • @brianginex4834
    @brianginex4834 4 роки тому +6581

    "I blasted'em...Silhouettes, not real people, just targets"
    My god, that was deep man

    • @lei23to79
      @lei23to79 3 роки тому +337

      2:54 I feel he has to tell that to himself or else he'll go crazy

    • @cooperbrain
      @cooperbrain 3 роки тому +22

      @@lei23to79 boi i know you own one of those shitty poetic justice shirts

    • @lei23to79
      @lei23to79 3 роки тому +23

      @@cooperbrain yep best free/stolen item of my life

    • @cooperbrain
      @cooperbrain 3 роки тому +6

      @@lei23to79 i know you ain't stealing shit boi

    • @lei23to79
      @lei23to79 3 роки тому +13

      @@cooperbrain no siree

  • @Hanfgurkenhasser
    @Hanfgurkenhasser 2 роки тому +413

    The way Lonnie describes the scene, convincing himself that it was definitely the enemy, reliving that faithful moment, stopping for a few seconds...it just makes me cry. The way he looks. Something in him died that day.

    • @FL00P
      @FL00P Рік тому +3

      I wonder if he’s contemplating friendly fire or if he feels that they weren’t an enemy but more or less people defending what they believe ya know

    • @m.ali.67.
      @m.ali.67. Рік тому

      ​@@FL00P Oh

    • @beatrizcabral2640
      @beatrizcabral2640 6 місяців тому +3

      Yeahh, you can see that he really wants to believe it was the right thing to do, so he keeps telling ''us'' but its actually him telling himself that its okay and that they were just targets.. its sad, I see him just as a human being with so much to carry.

  • @potatopoison1130
    @potatopoison1130 2 роки тому +1835

    "Thinking of peace whilst spilling blood is something only humans can do"- Madara Uchiha

    • @swaflow7568
      @swaflow7568 2 роки тому +7

      Fax

    • @benjaminverdier3122
      @benjaminverdier3122 2 роки тому +84

      Are seriously comparing human suffering and complex situations with an anime that can't even be coherent ?

    • @potatopoison1130
      @potatopoison1130 2 роки тому +47

      @@benjaminverdier3122 stfu

    • @benjaminverdier3122
      @benjaminverdier3122 2 роки тому +57

      @@potatopoison1130 imagine writing a comment about how violent humanity is and answering mine with rudeness

    • @potatopoison1130
      @potatopoison1130 2 роки тому +21

      @@benjaminverdier3122 you're right but my comment was an observation on war

  • @vancouversworstdrivers
    @vancouversworstdrivers 4 роки тому +8145

    I always imagined how many soldiers had PTSD in medival times when you had to kill everyone with a sword ...

    • @loneencom2087
      @loneencom2087 4 роки тому +1219

      I always think of this too.
      I think at the time it was so normal and wars goes for decades or even hundreds of years that they got used to it like slaughtering an animal.

    • @124madcow
      @124madcow 4 роки тому +973

      PTSD is also linked to the lack of community and help at home. So the medevil knights probably had a strong community

    • @Beats4needs
      @Beats4needs 4 роки тому +470

      124madcow that sounds about right. It was also celebrated back then.

    • @loneencom2087
      @loneencom2087 4 роки тому +373

      @@Beats4needs yeah whether you were killed or killed someone it is seen as an honorable thing for what ever reason they have.

    • @124madcow
      @124madcow 4 роки тому +500

      @@loneencom2087 also a different mindset. A lot of these knights trained from birth and were doing it for God. A lot of this is mindset. A lot of Vietnam guys had PTSD cause there was a draft and weren't cut out for it while you see guys in modern wars who are literally mentally built for war.

  • @horaciog9166
    @horaciog9166 7 років тому +1989

    " I don't give a fuck who he was I was trying to keep me alive" that's real shit

    • @ZER-cr4dm
      @ZER-cr4dm 6 років тому +44

      Human nature Kill or Get kill

    • @adamhaney9447
      @adamhaney9447 6 років тому +13

      And you think competition, "competition" in its most generic definition, is something humans created? I would absolutely embrace a reality in which people, when left to their own devices, played along well with everyone else. But, that's naivete. All of human interaction, from the interpersonal to the macroscopic, runs the spectrum of competition... what I want from you; what you want from me; what an ideology demands of me or others; how ideologies conflict; the fact that everything in this world is finite, and thus has a value defined by its desirability and ease of access.
      There are no heroes; there are no villains... there are just people doing what people do. Little ants milling around in the sun. And, at the end of the day, if you are not willing to sacrifice to protect the things you enjoy or care about, someone else will sacrifice to take that away from you.

    • @riverserose1980
      @riverserose1980 6 років тому +15

      kill or be killed*

    • @naru12131
      @naru12131 6 років тому +11

      At the end of the day, one country has to be the greatest. Period. Why the fuck shouldn't it be ours?

    • @exhibitgallery588
      @exhibitgallery588 6 років тому +27

      I think what you should have taken from this video is that we're all human beings and we do what we have to do to stay alive, we all have loved ones who will miss us when we're gone. It's not about labelling one country as better than another. We are all human, treat everyone as such unless they stain that title with injustice. People all around the world have fought and died for the sake of power and imperialism, we should only fight when we have to, not out of the arrogance in thinking that your country is the 'greatest'.

  • @skelitor5gaming380
    @skelitor5gaming380 2 роки тому +189

    “I didn’t give a fuck who he was, I was trying to keep me alive” this man Is A True Marine

    • @arthurjenkins9757
      @arthurjenkins9757 2 роки тому +10

      I laughed Soo hard

    • @gamerrodz
      @gamerrodz 3 місяці тому +2

      It's easy to tell yourself "ya that guy didn't have feelings or a family or the potential to have a family in the future" but you know it's wrong. I quite frankly don't see the difference between killing your fellow man who believes differently than you and killing your child for their unique beliefs

    • @PZN-6
      @PZN-6 2 місяці тому

      @@gamerrodz I didn't understand ? But I think you mean killing in the name of religion because we, former Muslims, here are constantly threatened with death

  • @hollywoodbb
    @hollywoodbb 2 роки тому +157

    Listen man, that guy with the glasses is battling heavy demons. I can tell he’s a hard man, but I also know why. When he said it was him against whoever, he was just fighting to live, I felt that one. Hope he finds peace.

  • @Kendra002
    @Kendra002 6 років тому +28489

    A veteran came to my school and one of the younger kids asked him, "Did you kill someone?" And he said, "Yes and I wished the bullet missed." Then he started crying

    • @jerrell1169
      @jerrell1169 5 років тому +1137

      Pøppy Is A Fall Øut Piløt At The Chemical Disco Ah we had a bomber navigator back in Elementary school and most kids asked him “How many people did you kill?”

    • @axelrivera3382
      @axelrivera3382 5 років тому +1755

      That's sad.

    • @axelrivera3382
      @axelrivera3382 5 років тому +489

      @Dewy this isn't a game not teammate it's allies.

    • @doyouseeit7819
      @doyouseeit7819 5 років тому +2340

      Young kids ask really insensitive questions to veterans a Vietnam vet came to our school on Veteran's day and he was crying about a friend whose brains got blown out right next to him and some kid asked what gun was used. Fuckin morons

    • @halee5859
      @halee5859 5 років тому +874

      Do You See It they’re not morons they’re children. you’re between 4-10 in elementary school they don’t have a grasp on those kinds of concepts. They don’t know any better.

  • @MrKDPTV
    @MrKDPTV 6 років тому +6769

    The guy which looks like he is literally seeing his memories is really interesting to listen too

    • @terricampbell3179
      @terricampbell3179 6 років тому +160

      Kieran He is seeing his memories.

    • @3tomnguyen797
      @3tomnguyen797 6 років тому +240

      Kieran I believe he is suffering from ptsd

    • @MrKDPTV
      @MrKDPTV 6 років тому +126

      Tomthechelseaboy Nguyen oh ye, I guessed that. never seen it portrayed liked that. the way he seems almost calm and looks like he is watching a disturbing movie while commenting on it.

    • @dana.n.2695
      @dana.n.2695 6 років тому +3

      Kieran Which one?

    • @enydnightshade
      @enydnightshade 6 років тому +6

      Kieran which one? lonnie?

  • @chunky9791
    @chunky9791 2 роки тому +167

    2:45 that's powerful look how he pauses recalling it all back. His eyes tell the entire story

    • @R4in46
      @R4in46 2 роки тому +2

      Those are the eyes of someone who went through too much

    • @luizspindola
      @luizspindola 2 роки тому +7

      That's a real Vietnam flashback

    • @ham7357
      @ham7357 2 роки тому

      Faking it

    • @sophiaashley7973
      @sophiaashley7973 2 роки тому

      yeah dont u think we should support them? for what they've done for us

    • @Quiksilversurf311
      @Quiksilversurf311 Рік тому

      1,000 yard stare in his eyes.

  • @trumpetguy13
    @trumpetguy13 2 роки тому +90

    That look at 2:50 is HARROWING. I can’t even imagine how it felt in the moments and how it felt to relive that

  • @WhiskerWhippers
    @WhiskerWhippers 3 роки тому +5125

    “It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away everything he's got and everything he's ever gonna have.”

    • @magnatron7734
      @magnatron7734 3 роки тому +19

      Great movie

    • @Caseyw462
      @Caseyw462 3 роки тому +19

      Deserve has got nothing to do with it

    • @calvincameron354
      @calvincameron354 3 роки тому +6

      Amazing quote from an amazing movie.

    • @jacobsmith5510
      @jacobsmith5510 3 роки тому +31

      “They’re not real people, they’re just targets”

    • @mfenix88
      @mfenix88 3 роки тому +34

      @Death The Kid "Unforgiven", Directed and Produced by Clint Eastwood. He also stars in it alongside Gene Hackman and Richard Harris, one of perhaps the greatest films ever made imo. its an Anti-Western that shows you there really wasn't any glory in the old west and that killing isnt all its cracked up to be.

  • @SM-qo9gr
    @SM-qo9gr 3 роки тому +4391

    The old guy, hes still not over the fact that he killed someone...

    • @amiralcookie3221
      @amiralcookie3221 3 роки тому +104

      And I'm not too. I experienced war too and I blame myself for even joining the military.

    • @prophetdenis8413
      @prophetdenis8413 3 роки тому +31

      Whats ur point man ? Killing is the biggest sin u can commit man .... do u think god rates ur killing as good ? Everyone who kills has to think about the life he took because he took something that belongs to god and we have no right to do so .... man

    • @brian8861
      @brian8861 3 роки тому +81

      @@prophetdenis8413 I mean thats just speculation because is killing really a sin? Killing is a part of this world and always has been since the beginning of everything!

    • @SM-qo9gr
      @SM-qo9gr 3 роки тому +14

      @@amiralcookie3221 yeah my father (veteran of Yugoslavian „fall apart“) after 25 years is still waking up wet dreaming of things he has seen and done...

    • @prophetdenis8413
      @prophetdenis8413 3 роки тому +16

      @Eric Jungmann so u say ur teacher also stops u from giving the wrong aswers in a exam ?
      What i want to say is ... see life as a big test to show yourself worthy of paradise ...
      Edit: im not christian or muslim or anything i simply believe in the "big test" our creator made us for

  • @i_Azazel_x4259
    @i_Azazel_x4259 2 роки тому +51

    The old man with the glasses broke my heart. I wish I could take some of that pain from him so he can live peacefully. He’s earned it

  • @bigmansmallboy
    @bigmansmallboy Рік тому +89

    I have some mad respect for all of these people, but especially lonnie. Lonnie was clearly having a very hard time. It’s brave of all of these men to not only serve, but also tell, and relive their stories all over again.

  • @thanos3590
    @thanos3590 3 роки тому +8448

    When the old man said: “ I blasted ‘em Silhouettes, they’re not real people they’re just targets “ that gave my chills

    • @osamamahmood365
      @osamamahmood365 3 роки тому +176

      But your thanos. You blasted way more silhouettes

    • @Opana223
      @Opana223 3 роки тому +102

      This dude killed half the universe

    • @lordsasukat8221
      @lordsasukat8221 3 роки тому +18

      I’m your 1000th like my guy😭😭

    • @sweatnosweat
      @sweatnosweat 3 роки тому +151

      that's what they teach soldiers, mechanically operate without thinking... corruption at it hardest

    • @murdermatics
      @murdermatics 3 роки тому +109

      He doesn't even mean it, hes still coping.

  • @judewaeltz3094
    @judewaeltz3094 3 роки тому +11579

    The younger one was only calm because he knew what he had enlisted for. That old gentleman with the glasses was most likely drafted, therefore he had no clue what he was going to see.

    • @umcaraqualquer3640
      @umcaraqualquer3640 3 роки тому +773

      And even the younger one seemed distressed. War's a hell of a thing.

    • @Chichimee
      @Chichimee 3 роки тому +509

      @@umcaraqualquer3640 He seemed totally distressed and plus he hasn’t had the long years to digest it like the older gentleman

    • @nikolakaravida4087
      @nikolakaravida4087 3 роки тому +176

      Lonnie fought in Nam which was way fucking worse than conflicts in the Middle East. 60 000 American lives were lost

    • @CompoundingTime
      @CompoundingTime 3 роки тому +257

      As someone who has actual experience in this I would say being a part of ending other people's lives through direct actions in war hits people differently and you can never fully be prepared for the psychological impact it will have on you regardless of if you signed up for it or were drafted. Some people are minimally effected by it while others will be troubled by it for the rest of their lives and every shade in-between those two points exist. I thought that I knew what to expect and thought I was fully prepared to emotionally resolve any feelings I would have however events did not play out as predicted. It also was not something that just sprang up out of nowhere as I had trained for years prior to even joining as I had chosen to pursue the special operations side of the house so I thought that I was a very mentally tough individual who could handle anything life threw at me.
      There are many ways to rationalize ones actions but you do not truly know how you will respond to something until you are experiencing it for the first time. There is no true 1 to 1 preparation for war.

    • @atlanticrf
      @atlanticrf 3 роки тому +5

      Jude, how do you know that he "most likely was drafted'?

  • @marliforten
    @marliforten 2 роки тому +342

    "The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him"
    ~Gilbert K. Chesterton

    • @meredith5879
      @meredith5879 2 роки тому +16

      That's not right. G. K. Chesterton was talking about ww1. Apart from perhaps the iraqi man, none of these people were fighting in defence of their country.

    • @mogu8026
      @mogu8026 2 роки тому +5

      @@meredith5879 not even the iraqi war

    • @meredith5879
      @meredith5879 2 роки тому +5

      @@mogu8026 you're right, my mistake.

    • @rithvikmuthyalapati9754
      @rithvikmuthyalapati9754 Рік тому +3

      @@meredith5879 heard of 9/11

    • @leroyjenkins6809
      @leroyjenkins6809 Рік тому +4

      @@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 bush did that

  • @Smallblockdaddy69
    @Smallblockdaddy69 11 місяців тому +18

    "If it means taking their life, fuck em. They've chosen their path" that hit hard.

  • @percyblakeney3743
    @percyblakeney3743 6 років тому +7753

    I recently read a bumper sticker that sums it up best: "I support the troops, not the ones who send them."

    • @TruculentRuminavi
      @TruculentRuminavi 6 років тому +68

      You support their actions because they are the ones who send the troops.

    • @DR-wf6eb
      @DR-wf6eb 6 років тому +113

      Percy Blakeney that's like supporting ISIS soldiers but not their leaders.

    • @LynxOnyx-LynxGraphics
      @LynxOnyx-LynxGraphics 6 років тому +284

      D R but not every soldier has the mentality of an ISIS pig.

    • @eagle3676
      @eagle3676 6 років тому +59

      realtrickster _ I would assume not every Daesh scum feels the same way. Maybe some US soldiers killed his entire family or village and he is out for revenge. At that point he doesn't care who he works for to get his revenge even if in his previous lifetime he wouldn't hurt a fly

    • @HazeAroundtheWorld
      @HazeAroundtheWorld 6 років тому +6

      D R
      Not at all

  • @josephstalin364
    @josephstalin364 3 роки тому +6509

    “There’s a body there, but there’s nothing at all there”. That gave me chills

  • @doctorxyoracle5523
    @doctorxyoracle5523 Рік тому +83

    i remember taking a trip to DC with my dad. one of the biggest things that stood out to me was when we went to the vietnam memorial and i saw what was a veteran, wide-eyed not staring at anything in particular and seemingly lost in thought. i can't even begin to imagine the things he saw over there

  • @marcussmith9804
    @marcussmith9804 2 роки тому +29

    Thats the first time I saw someone having flashbacks. Complete respect for these soldiers.

  • @fredricksmith-something.2125
    @fredricksmith-something.2125 6 років тому +9321

    You can see the Nam vet completely relive the moment again.

    • @bobmarley5551
      @bobmarley5551 6 років тому +641

      the way he freezes when remembering, thats PTSD but yeah cool story too hear.

    • @Legend-sm9ny
      @Legend-sm9ny 6 років тому +77

      Fredrick Holman Nam was the worst War

    • @reggiekrager5411
      @reggiekrager5411 6 років тому +142

      Nah, WW1 and WW2 were worse.

    • @Legend-sm9ny
      @Legend-sm9ny 6 років тому +224

      Costin Pitulice Eh They all was bad tbh

    • @geechyguy3441
      @geechyguy3441 6 років тому +90

      Battling in WW2 would’ve been much scarier and intense especially D-day and knowing the army you’re facing is equal in power to you

  • @SpencerBrewerOG
    @SpencerBrewerOG 5 років тому +6866

    Dude they all having flashbacks

    • @oppoyheng1727
      @oppoyheng1727 4 роки тому +134

      Bruh they we're scared of the tree

    • @SpencerBrewerOG
      @SpencerBrewerOG 4 роки тому +33

      THEYRE IN THE TREES

    • @oppoyheng1727
      @oppoyheng1727 4 роки тому +24

      Vietnamese sounds: javahajwgdjbgbegbdgbsgbsgbegbdg fhthfafbf

    • @RJavier007
      @RJavier007 4 роки тому +29

      All for our entertainment

    • @papurri_._.
      @papurri_._. 4 роки тому +4

      no shit

  • @typer2909
    @typer2909 2 роки тому +174

    "sillhouettes. they aren't real people, they're just targets" goddamn man. what an unfair war.

    • @R4in46
      @R4in46 2 роки тому +2

      all wars are unfair, they ruin the lives of Thousands of people, People who had a life before the war, I am not talking about the dead, I am talking about the people who survived and saw their village or city destroyed, their families dead and the people they knew

    • @brodywalsh1712
      @brodywalsh1712 2 роки тому

      That’s hard

  • @neenabzamro3759
    @neenabzamro3759 Рік тому +127

    just something for other people to know is that PTSD is not only for soldiers. civilians of that invaded country live it too. I am an Iraqi and I was diagnosed with PTSD as well. an example of that would be when I see a humvee or a chopper even if it was a civilian chopper I freak out and start panicking and get an instant flashback even though that was 19 years ago. I don't wish war on any country. politicians should get in an arena and fight their fight.

    • @carreviewer6345
      @carreviewer6345 8 місяців тому +2

      I wanna ask politicians if they love war so much why don't you send your own child to war?

  • @LatserGaming
    @LatserGaming 7 років тому +4144

    You can tell Lonnie was affected by the war. I respect all of these guys so much

    • @themuffinman737
      @themuffinman737 6 років тому +94

      Joey Lats Everybody is..

    • @chartreux1532
      @chartreux1532 6 років тому +64

      +Joey Lats
      There are several interviews with over 8000 german and other axis war veterans, they sadly don't exist in english, because they interviewed everyone on the axis side, from the Waffen-SS soldier to the WWI veteran who was a General in WW2, to german women talking in detail about being raped by soviet soldiers, having their kids die etc.
      And also someone who was drafted at the age of 17 into the Waffen-SS (not to be confused with the Allgemeine SS who were also soldiers but very very political). That 17 year old like many was drafted, grew up as a teenager in the 3rd Reich and then fought at Normandy with the 12th SS-Division Hitlerjugend (which, eventhough they were almost all 17-18 years old) were so good against the Allies that most US and British vets i talked to told me or wrote in their books that they made fun of them and called them "crack babies". One american vet told me "We laughed about those kids, this changed immediately when we had to fight them because these kids didn't fear death and were far better than our 20 year olds."
      I hope someone takes the time to take all of these archived interviews reaching from 1980-2017 (and still adding more) to add english subtitles because they're very interesting but also often heartbreaking as these vets but also the women don't mind crying during the interviews or show other emotions.
      Having grown up with family who reached from Waffen-SS soldiers to Luftwaffe pilots i of course also spent a lot of time listening to them and also interviewing them. The Waffen-SS grandfather is still alive and healthy luckily and i still talk to him and ask questions when i help him in his garden.
      I hope non-german speakers can watch all of these interviews someday, interesting for anyone i think

    • @avol5461
      @avol5461 6 років тому +8

      Pickle Rick! y do all u americans say that freedom freedom freedom ur not the only free country and they didnt do it for my freedom take a step back an actually see what the reason where for each an every war americas been in an none of them have to do with freedom

    • @chartreux1532
      @chartreux1532 6 років тому +1

      To those who upvoted my post. Me and someone else with a big youtube channel on axis history are now working together to present you the 8000+ interviews i mentioned in my previous post with english subtitles. We just started working on translating them. I will update in this comment section when the first one has been uploaded

    • @thejim3501
      @thejim3501 6 років тому

      No Name Jane
      Why don't you go play Nintendo kid. This is a video for grownups.

  • @redbyrom2254
    @redbyrom2254 4 роки тому +2335

    Silhouettes, they're not real people, they're just targets.
    That absolutely broke me heart

    • @joshuacarroll1758
      @joshuacarroll1758 4 роки тому +35

      Ya man. Dude was there in the storm . Powerful video

    • @Silent-sm3lq
      @Silent-sm3lq 4 роки тому +128

      He was so broken when he said that. Like he was trying to convince himself and not the viewers or camera man

    • @Josh-tk6md
      @Josh-tk6md 4 роки тому +28

      That's what training does, it's kill or be killed especially back in vietnam

    • @dominantpersona2586
      @dominantpersona2586 4 роки тому +5

      You dont understand how war works?

    • @isaactaylor1833
      @isaactaylor1833 4 роки тому +1

      Carlie Byrom oh for fucks sake you pussy

  • @nate6569
    @nate6569 Рік тому +21

    I went to a baseball game a couple years ago, it was a great game. I looked towards the people in the rows in front of me, and I saw Lonnie. I had seen this video countless times before, and I recognized him immediately. He was with his wife, or another woman his age, Smiling and having a great time. I couldn’t bring myself to ask him his actual identity to confirm if it was actually him or not, and I’m glad I didn’t. Lonnie, you’re a great man. Even if that wasn’t you, I’m glad I have an image of you having fun with someone you care about in my head.

  • @volsdeep9395
    @volsdeep9395 Рік тому +59

    My grandpa served in Vietnam at 18 years old. When I was little I stupidly asked him how many people he killed. He ended up with 13. His only other response was “it was us or them.”

  • @bads4905
    @bads4905 4 роки тому +2359

    "They're not real people, they're just targets." Sad to witness this old man's mind having flashbacks and remembering the exact words his superior told him at the time.

  • @cranberrysauce6478
    @cranberrysauce6478 4 роки тому +2594

    Poor old man, he would be a totally different person if that didn’t happen

    • @ThumbsUP-ThumbsDOWN
      @ThumbsUP-ThumbsDOWN 4 роки тому +2

      .

    • @mgway4661
      @mgway4661 4 роки тому

      Oh well

    • @ImSoDapp3r
      @ImSoDapp3r 4 роки тому +12

      potato shut the fuck up. It’s kill or be killed.

    • @tomascarvalho1057
      @tomascarvalho1057 4 роки тому

      @@ImSoDapp3r heh

    • @JohnnyD-no4cz
      @JohnnyD-no4cz 4 роки тому +8

      potato Keep your ignorant comments to yourself. They didn’t have a choice then, they got drafted and sent to war

  • @Kruddo
    @Kruddo 2 роки тому +63

    When the old man looks down as if the bodies were there you realize that he is reliving the moment very vividly, there is no doubt that those things are so strong that they never leave your life, it must be very hard for many to learn to live with it, in his case you realize that even after so many years it is something that does not finish processing at all. My deep respect for them, not only must they fight and survive the war, but also another kind of war awaits them when they return home, perhaps even harder than the one they lived in service.

    • @canobenitez
      @canobenitez 2 роки тому

      Im sure he also throwed a rock at the body just like he did in the video, just to see if he iwas really dead. he was.

  • @Diversification-illusion
    @Diversification-illusion Рік тому +22

    Great interview
    As a child, who grew up in a war, and saw death of the early age to changes you.
    In a war, nobody really wins, because both sides think they’re fighting for a righteous purpose.
    Because people are brainwashed from childhood first by parents, and then by various institutions

    • @carreviewer6345
      @carreviewer6345 11 місяців тому +1

      I'm sorry for what you've experienced war never solves anything do leaders really think that all of those lifes lost civilians soilders is worth it for a small piece of land?

  • @lipgripfishing3275
    @lipgripfishing3275 7 років тому +1408

    ""I didn't give a fuck who he was, I was trying to keep me alive"

    • @ezekielwillerson9204
      @ezekielwillerson9204 7 років тому +168

      To me, the part where he then couldn't find the words and just said, "This is hard!" was even more telling. I would like to sit down and really talk to him about life.

    • @theartcave1489
      @theartcave1489 7 років тому +22

      Lipgrip Fishing fucking love that old vet

    • @roncriswell2685
      @roncriswell2685 7 років тому +9

      Lipgrip Fishing I was ready your comment just as he started saying it LOL

    • @BigG_-zc5fu
      @BigG_-zc5fu 6 років тому +2

      Ron Criswell same

    • @JG-id5vi
      @JG-id5vi 6 років тому +37

      Actually he wasnt.He was in Vietnam,he was protecting south vietnam from the north. He was in another country protecting it from invaders because that country was our Allie and they asked for help. On top of that theres a good chance he was drafted.

  • @gracielaelia4461
    @gracielaelia4461 4 роки тому +11782

    The really old guy has some clear PTSD

    • @StuhlEntertainment
      @StuhlEntertainment 4 роки тому +521

      What makes you say that? Because he is contemplating what has happened and what it implies and he doesn't have a clear answer? From my point of view he isn't 'sick'. He is trying to figure out a really big question. Not having an answer or, even better, not being conceited and thinking to know the answer is a sign of wisdom I'd say.

    • @ronnie_5150
      @ronnie_5150 4 роки тому +267

      ​@@StuhlEntertainmentWhat I've learned about PTSD through my own, and friends counselling is that it's usually brought on by encountering someone malevolent. Even if that person is yourself. Looking back, you look at things you've done and think, "I can't believe I did that." It's like watching someone else do bad things, then realizing it's you, and at the time, those things didn't seem wrong at all.

    • @islasnyder1234
      @islasnyder1234 4 роки тому +165

      StuhlEntertainment having ptsd doesn’t make you sick

    • @DM-bm1vg
      @DM-bm1vg 4 роки тому +8

      Gigi Smith ok

    • @BILAL-nx7pl
      @BILAL-nx7pl 4 роки тому +26

      StuhlEntertainment you sure?? @6:05

  • @jiffypuff268
    @jiffypuff268 2 роки тому +13

    “Have you ever killed anyone”
    “What time..”
    This man has been through a lot

    • @haristhebosniaklion8584
      @haristhebosniaklion8584 2 роки тому +1

      Hey buddy, It really is not my fault that i am ugly to most;) ;) and that many girls,mostly Bosniak girls hurt my feelings by telling me how ugly i am,you know very well what was done to them in the Aggression on Bosnia.......btw(Kosovo Is Not Serbia ) ✌️

  • @kprice1403
    @kprice1403 Рік тому +16

    Lonnie was a pure soul who wanted to live a full life. He also wanted to achieve that path peacefully. Sometimes the bullshit gets in the way and your number is called and sometimes you pick that number.

  • @MultiFirelover
    @MultiFirelover 5 років тому +4571

    "i didn't feel any personal guilt, but I felt sorry for him"...

    • @stec1808
      @stec1808 5 років тому +183

      Never feel pity for the enemy Who is trying to kill you and your way of life

    • @bruhmf8
      @bruhmf8 5 років тому +430

      @@stec1808 but in reality they were sent there just like the guy on the other side, both sides have soldiers that are sent when the guys at the top disagree, I guess it alright to feel pity,bc they were sent there just like the other person

    • @stec1808
      @stec1808 5 років тому +29

      @@bruhmf8 if you are sent to kill me and defeat my country, expect no mercy or pity.

    • @NKABoX
      @NKABoX 5 років тому +164

      Steve Slothenstein you know that all these soldoers where sent *there* and not to *your* country?
      I don‘t really want to argue about that, war is a lose lose situation for every soldier and their families involved

    • @stec1808
      @stec1808 5 років тому +6

      @@NKABoX yh i don't agree with war unless it's necessary to defend your country or way of life but if the time comes then no mercy or pity should be shown.

  • @willandaya6029
    @willandaya6029 4 роки тому +1769

    "In peace sons bury their fathers, but in war..fathers bury their sons"

    • @mathewreyes9016
      @mathewreyes9016 4 роки тому +5

      Hacksaw Ridge

    • @j.raskou4928
      @j.raskou4928 4 роки тому +9

      As a greek I think that Plutarchos said that,am I right?

    • @dionakgamer7769
      @dionakgamer7769 4 роки тому

      Will Andaya because there is no need for old people to fight a war. They are physically weak

    • @dennymerri3287
      @dennymerri3287 4 роки тому +4

      Dionak Gamer no shit. He is not saying that. He is saying a quote

    • @hamaze3340
      @hamaze3340 4 роки тому

      Isnt that soviet russia

  • @zh7326
    @zh7326 2 роки тому +27

    “I didnt give a fuck who he was, I was trying to keep me alive”
    I know this is supposed to be like an insightful look inside of the minds of soldiers and what killing is like, but i had a laugh from that

    • @lockhartls
      @lockhartls 2 роки тому +1

      Naw bruh that’s just Lonnie keeping it a real as humanly possible 😂😂😂

  • @codyrichter3449
    @codyrichter3449 5 місяців тому +3

    "I didn't give a fuck who he was i was trying to stay alive" thats real shit

  • @weirdlittleshrimp636
    @weirdlittleshrimp636 4 роки тому +2500

    At 2:45 he looked like he was having a flashback and had to tell himself, not us, that the silhouettes were just targets.

    • @hihowareyou364
      @hihowareyou364 4 роки тому +83

      PTSD

    • @uncleclem7381
      @uncleclem7381 4 роки тому +51

      HiHowAreYou
      I’m glad you have a degree in psychology

    • @shellymese
      @shellymese 4 роки тому +9

      weird little shrimp Yeah, it seemed like he was dissociating

    • @stralebruklin
      @stralebruklin 3 роки тому +5

      @3kDre he is right, these retards are trying too hard to sound smart

    • @justasimpthathasnomoney7411
      @justasimpthathasnomoney7411 3 роки тому +1

      @@stralebruklin its not your problem you wont get anything from minding other peoples business

  • @uncleclem7381
    @uncleclem7381 4 роки тому +7733

    I love how everyone in this comment section has a degree in philosophy and psychology.

  • @waynesalisbury
    @waynesalisbury Рік тому +5

    the guy with the glasses just relived that time. he felt the moment again when he retold the story. hope hes okay alive and well🖐💪

  • @scoooter78
    @scoooter78 Рік тому +16

    That was deep. Silhouettes..... I'm kinda glad I watched this as I've always wondered but would never dare ask a veteran. None of the WW2 veterans I knew growing up wanted to discuss the war at all - and now they're gone.

  • @msp0h
    @msp0h 4 роки тому +1485

    “ Have you ever killed anyone? If so, what happened?”
    “Which time?”
    I...

    • @evalsoftserver
      @evalsoftserver 3 роки тому +1

      Valeriya have you killed someone before

  • @cwiggins27
    @cwiggins27 2 роки тому +5

    My dad was a Vietnam Marine and watching Lonnie talk left me in tears because it was like seeing glimpses of my dad when he was sick and began opening up about his war time.
    Lonnie, I hope wherever you are you've found peace within yourself.

  • @donaldbarton6701
    @donaldbarton6701 Рік тому +5

    " I prefer peace. But if trouble must come then let it come in my lifetime so that my children may know peace ". This quote tears me up considering every generation has been through this trouble..

  • @lowkeygames2274
    @lowkeygames2274 3 роки тому +6976

    Lonnie, the Vietnam Vet with glasses, sounds like he’s still trying to convince himself that silhouettes aren’t people

    • @Feezwa
      @Feezwa 3 роки тому +42

      Carson's avatar ! From the moments of his Minecraft race when he got baited into that obvious trap ! ahahaha

    • @RoadRunnerMedia
      @RoadRunnerMedia 3 роки тому +564

      @@Feezwa not the right time my guy not the right time

    • @GUNNERRESISTANCE
      @GUNNERRESISTANCE 3 роки тому +169

      @@Feezwa what the actual fuck bro

    • @sacrilege8943
      @sacrilege8943 3 роки тому +103

      @@Feezwa what the fuck man

    • @JBevan85
      @JBevan85 3 роки тому +46

      It’s either that or a cynical remark on training. When he brought his hand up to his shoulder and said silhouette, it reminded me of the target that is the head and shoulders. My first thought was dark humor about training and real life applications.

  • @palomat986
    @palomat986 4 роки тому +6761

    i appreciate there not being any background music while they discuss something that has made such a huge impact on their lives, it kept the sentiment of respect.

    • @brandonbosworth1829
      @brandonbosworth1829 4 роки тому +23

      Well said well said true as hell respect.. got my mine

    • @TheThiagoBR
      @TheThiagoBR 4 роки тому +3

      Didn't expected to find a Brazilian here
      Esse vídeo é bem tocante mesmo, me faz pensar sobre muita coisa, alem desses fatos e marcas que ficam pra sempre na gente, todos os traumas tanto físicos e psicológicos veja sobre Shell shock deve ter sido duríssimo ter pego essa época

    • @fsfgdgdc2ndchannel46
      @fsfgdgdc2ndchannel46 4 роки тому

      paloma t k

    • @driftingthroughthisplace5898
      @driftingthroughthisplace5898 4 роки тому +4

      They did, however, choose to put the video in black and white.

    • @SStupendous
      @SStupendous 2 роки тому

      @@driftingthroughthisplace5898 Yeah extremely disrespectful, am I right?

  • @chriswhite4999
    @chriswhite4999 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks to each one of these men for their service and sacrifices.

  • @BoomerKeith1
    @BoomerKeith1 2 роки тому +7

    The older Vietnam Vet with the glasses, when telling the story, paused for a long time and had a million mile stare. I've seen that same reaction from others that have been in his situation. Taking a life in war never leaves you.

  • @massimogiorgini6193
    @massimogiorgini6193 4 роки тому +4218

    The young sniper seemed to be the only one not regretting anything

    • @deaded7088
      @deaded7088 4 роки тому +862

      it will haunt him in his latter years.

    • @agent_orca7512
      @agent_orca7512 4 роки тому +305

      I heard that when you’re alone and just lost in your thoughts, it will haunt you

    • @linxUK
      @linxUK 4 роки тому +243

      Because its his job and he knows it

    • @ramiere1412
      @ramiere1412 4 роки тому +74

      @IDGAF TWisY he’s obligated to murder people?

    • @linxUK
      @linxUK 4 роки тому +488

      @@ramiere1412 yes he's a sniper, snipers kill people if u go in a war and don't expect to kill people your not on this planet

  • @ehrgeiz5649
    @ehrgeiz5649 3 роки тому +3789

    Lonnie is not okay. Poor guy is seriously contemplating his past actions. Be safe Lonnie, you did what you thought you were supposed to do.

    • @Dctctx
      @Dctctx 3 роки тому +183

      Not supposed to
      Forced to

    • @dmitrit.4862
      @dmitrit.4862 2 роки тому +24

      @@Dctctx It's called orders.

    • @Dctctx
      @Dctctx 2 роки тому +69

      @@dmitrit.4862 that’s what I said

    • @Cris-em9tn
      @Cris-em9tn 2 роки тому +75

      @@dmitrit.4862 When someone is forced to go to war, and refusing to would get them sent to federal prison, they are forced to do everything. When someone enlists and understands what they're signing up for, it's orders because you are willingly signing that you'll follow all orders for X amount of years.
      Compare Lonnie and the other Vietnam vet. One appears much older. I'd assume the younger one went towards the end of the war whether enlisted or drafted. And I'd bet all my money that Lonnie was pulled in one of the first lotteries, back when people barely knew about the hell going on over there.

    • @dmitrit.4862
      @dmitrit.4862 2 роки тому +23

      @@Cris-em9tn Being drafted is definitely different compared to enlisting. And I understand that those who were thrown into a war see orders like "being forced" to do things and in some way, it actually it is that way. But orders are orders and someone has to do the job, no matter how ugly it gets. My grandpa, for example, fought in the Red Army in Russia and later even in Berlin. He was forced to fight because there was no other way. He was a machine gunner. He couldn't really talk about it, all I know is that he killed a lot of german soldiers back then. War is hell, there's no doubt about it, that's why I have the upmost respect for any veteran, even for the german ones my grandfather fought back in WW2.

  • @forwardobserver2048
    @forwardobserver2048 2 місяці тому +2

    I’m reading this this as a 78-year-old Vietnam veteran and every time I see a comment about the “old man”, Lonnie I wince!

  • @constantinalexandrupatrauc6287
    @constantinalexandrupatrauc6287 2 роки тому +6

    "Do you want to get home and see your family?"
    That hit me hard

    • @haristhebosniaklion8584
      @haristhebosniaklion8584 2 роки тому

      I Do Not Hate America,Just The Evil Government (THAT RUINED MY LIFE )(Targeted Me) and made ME look bad ......And ALL Those Who Hurt My Muslim Brothers And Sisters(Btw American Girls Are Fine) (mmmmm). But, I Want To Ask,How Would Serbs And Americans Feel,If We Muslims Did To American And Serbian Girls,(Stretch Them Out) As They Did To Ours? OUR WOMEN AND YOUNG GIRLS WERE RAPED IN THE MOST BRUTAL WAYS IN BOSNIA And We Suffered The Arms Embargo On Bosnia Also( Injustice)......Also the Srebrenica GENOCIDE will be talked about always.I want some kind of justice for me and all Muslim victims and well any victim of any injustice. I love the girls to much and i wish i can have one...........also Kosovo Is Not Serbia(Shows Peace Sign) Many girls would tell me how ugly i am (even that is not my fault) i love them

  • @jtridexter
    @jtridexter 3 роки тому +11912

    I hate the way this is edited, can we hear one story at at a time instead of mixing all stories together!

    • @TheVeganButcher
      @TheVeganButcher 3 роки тому +228

      Thanks you :) i want to hear the full story

    • @Kicktugo55
      @Kicktugo55 3 роки тому +61

      I know right

    • @nedlero8549
      @nedlero8549 3 роки тому +300

      This editing way is called "Cross-cutting", it is used to raise up the tension. Maybe they wanted to make it more similar to a movie than a documentary.

    • @AbsoluteS1th
      @AbsoluteS1th 3 роки тому +35

      jtridexter they have full interviews with these veterans on the channel

    • @giotrindade2592
      @giotrindade2592 3 роки тому +105

      @@nedlero8549 but it didn't worked at all, that's just poor confusing editing

  • @N-GinAndTonicTM
    @N-GinAndTonicTM 3 роки тому +2919

    2:48 - 2:54
    We just witnessed a man have a war flashback. Six seconds of pure, frozen silence.
    "They're not real people, they're just targets." We saw a man believe he was back in the war; talking to himself.

    • @pingouincongole5135
      @pingouincongole5135 3 роки тому +144

      I dont know why but when I hear that I remenber of people memes about Vietnam war flashbacks and I realise that not really funny

    • @jordanleigh6481
      @jordanleigh6481 3 роки тому +21

      Lol here we go another Internet mental health specialist

    • @N-GinAndTonicTM
      @N-GinAndTonicTM 3 роки тому +104

      @@jordanleigh6481
      Lol here we go another Internet tough guy

    • @jordanleigh6481
      @jordanleigh6481 3 роки тому +13

      @@N-GinAndTonicTM lol mental health is the biggest joke. 60 years ago suicide was way below half what it was in 2019. Since everyone have Bene talking about mental health over the last 20 years people have Been killing the selfs at a rate far higher then ever lol you people are making it worse not better by talking ab3it

    • @N-GinAndTonicTM
      @N-GinAndTonicTM 3 роки тому +42

      @@jordanleigh6481
      I'm on the autistic spectrum, I know exactly what mental health is about.

  • @mr.exodus3844
    @mr.exodus3844 5 місяців тому +2

    I would watch an entire interview with Lonnie, the way he talks he's just so genuine and direct and the way he paused he wasn't there in the studio anymore he was back in Vietnam I would just really like to hear more about his time and his life.

  • @seonghong784
    @seonghong784 2 роки тому +4

    The elder man with glasses is the one with the hugest impact. You can tell he is trying to justify and logically tell himself, not anyone else, that it was ok because he is trying to keep his sanity. As another veteran with PTSD, I find myself saying the same things to my own mind, but I'm still not sure if my heart believes what my mind is saying. My heart goes out to all of you and to our other men and women in the service. Thank you for your sacrifices and service.

  • @MBWQ321
    @MBWQ321 7 років тому +10011

    Why did UA-cam take 2 years to put this in my recommendations over 1000MPH FIDGET spinner videos.

    • @ziggyfreecloud3346
      @ziggyfreecloud3346 6 років тому +52

      Well Que They go that fast?!? I've gotta see this......

    • @youtubename1234
      @youtubename1234 6 років тому +19

      Well Que same here wtf. this is honest and scarry and all in all an extreemly good vid

    • @mikefishermagic
      @mikefishermagic 6 років тому +10

      AMEN!!!

    • @jojoje27
      @jojoje27 6 років тому +3

      with that speed the fidget spinner can kill someone or maybe a war will soon use them as weapons hahahhahahahahhahahhahaa

    • @poojahazra7000
      @poojahazra7000 6 років тому +17

      Well Que I swear to God! I only found this today.

  • @user-bw9km2wx1q
    @user-bw9km2wx1q 4 роки тому +3503

    My grandfather is korean war veteran.
    When I was little kid, I asked him
    "Did you kill somebody at war?"
    He answered
    "Yeah...Yes I did. To survive.... and I survived."
    His pupils had lost focus while he answered.
    Additionally, my grandfather received a call from the Ministry of National Defense a week ago and was awarded the Hwarang Order of Military Merit. It is the 4th highest medal of military service. (2020.09.07)

    • @confusedkys6090
      @confusedkys6090 4 роки тому +39

      damn

    • @rjsal246
      @rjsal246 4 роки тому +21

      He relived the moment when you asked him.

    • @LG-cz3fk
      @LG-cz3fk 4 роки тому +31

      I'm Greek and my grandfather is korean war veteran. He is 89 years old now, was 21 at the time he went to Korea. I'm 18 right now and I love hearing stories from that time. But I dont wanna ask him if he killed someone. If he killed someone I dont want to bring him that memory up.

    • @Zer0nite
      @Zer0nite 4 роки тому +9

      That's called the thousand-yard stare.

    • @willm678
      @willm678 4 роки тому +3

      손석현 My grandfather also served in Korea as well as WW2 and Vietnam. In Korea he was with the 24th infantry, the first group of soldiers to reach Korea and engage in combat. I always knew he had killed people because he never ever talked about war. He did an interview about his time in the army and when he was talking about Korea he got kind of quiet and only said “there was a lot of combat type stuff”

  • @kelevera420.
    @kelevera420. Рік тому +3

    Seeing and hearing Lonnie talk about everything is truly heartbreaking. Poor guy.
    ☹️🥺

  • @tattooedhooligan316
    @tattooedhooligan316 Рік тому +1

    Bless these men and I hope someday they can cope with their emotional scars. Bless our Veterans

  • @JaleelJohanson62
    @JaleelJohanson62 6 років тому +2628

    A friend of mine back in the 80's was a Vietnam vet.... He was a pacifist... Long hair, liked James Taylor folk music, etc. One day he told me that he had killed people in Vietnam. I told him I couldn't envision that. He told me that all our fancy notions of peace go out the window when someone's shooting at you. You just shoot back.... Never forgot that conversation...

    • @unhingedkiller114
      @unhingedkiller114 6 років тому +40

      JaleelJohanson62
      These men killed for nothing as wars wil never cease utili men like these refuse to fight

    • @briangamespc4791
      @briangamespc4791 6 років тому +53

      Exactly it becomes a fight for survival no matter the cost.

    • @hernandez1340
      @hernandez1340 6 років тому +3

      JaleelJohanson62 stop making stories up lol

    • @bans1
      @bans1 6 років тому

      Hernandez 13 lmao

    • @hernandez1340
      @hernandez1340 6 років тому +2

      Jimmy Torres he got a wild imagination dude gota stop lying to himself😂

  • @TheChicomenco
    @TheChicomenco 3 роки тому +2445

    “I blasted him.” Really was the triggering point for him and he needed to retract his PTSD by saying “they’re not real people, they’re just targets.” Almost like a little cue to come back to the current moment and not transfer his head space back to that moment. I pray for this man. I send him love and light, 🙏🏼💛

    • @qgamer
      @qgamer 3 роки тому +28

      Another youtube psychiatrist.....

    • @TheChicomenco
      @TheChicomenco 3 роки тому +50

      OBIPPO another person who can’t see the obvious, such a shame.

    • @thepolites3876
      @thepolites3876 3 роки тому +1

      What happens when weaklings go to war, those should stay home

    • @skullyjones3548
      @skullyjones3548 3 роки тому +29

      @@thepolites3876 he was a Vietnam Vet, many men were drafted for that War, so I'm sure he may not have ever been prepared for what he had to do

    • @paperchasindude6578
      @paperchasindude6578 3 роки тому

      Jesus...

  • @danielperry8532
    @danielperry8532 Рік тому +6

    My great uncle was in the Canadian forces. He turned 17 in the frontlines in Italy. He fought until the war ended in 1945. After he came home, he wasn't able to readjust back to society well.
    He had anger issues and was an alcoholic. When the Korean War started, he enlisted and became a sniper in the Canadian special forces. He went for 2 tours to Korea. He came back and lived his life a hermit pretty much.
    He would never talk much about it, my papa says. However, he's told him very few things. He said once that in war, no one is the good guy. He's watched war crimes from both sides. He's watched allied soldiers run over kids in vehicles and attack women.
    He said basically what these guys are saying. Basically, it's you or them. He also always said that after he became a sniper, it was a completely different feeling when you killed someone who didn't even know or had no chance to fight back.
    He's never liked anything he's done or seen. Which is why I think he drank himself to death. I still will always love and respect him, though, for going through what he did.

  • @sroydetroy6404
    @sroydetroy6404 Рік тому +2

    lonnie- what a pure soul that guy is. I hope you find your inner peace man.

  • @geovaniefloresnaturalbodyb701
    @geovaniefloresnaturalbodyb701 7 років тому +1205

    my grandfather was in vietnam 69-74 . the only thing i remembered him talking about his story was "it was wrong, my recruiters and Sgts lied to me. Every single second i was there was wrong".

    • @Aff3ct000
      @Aff3ct000 7 років тому +46

      geovanie flores
      He realized this TRUTH far too late.
      Anyone in a similar situation today MUST RESIST. Conscientiously object to killing for the corrupt to the core control of our state.
      "What if they held a war and no one showed up?" Be the real man who never shows up.

    • @sil7858
      @sil7858 7 років тому +20

      @ffec+ are you even serious. They COULDN'T RESIST. And neither can you resist if a war breaks out today and you are drafted for the army.

    • @devine532
      @devine532 7 років тому +32

      Silvantly de bruin tbh you are a human, if war broke out and we all were drafted, you don't have to go, you are your own person, you can be a fugitive if you felt like it.

    • @kennyfnpowers707
      @kennyfnpowers707 7 років тому +6

      Good thing that Selected Services will only go into effect if war is on US soil.

    • @coquina8819
      @coquina8819 7 років тому +8

      Just got a letter for that since I turned 18. Kind of sad we still have that thing still.

  • @mcaval73
    @mcaval73 6 років тому +2348

    They say war is hell for a reason. I'm surprised these guys opened up about their experiences. Typically not something veterans like to talk about. I hope they were able to make peace with their experiences.

    • @MoistMouthMags
      @MoistMouthMags 6 років тому +21

      war is worse then hell...the only people that go to hell are sinners (if you believe that in sort of thing) nobody's an innocent bystander in hell....most of the people affected by war are innocent bystanders

    • @saeedvazirian
      @saeedvazirian 6 років тому +5

      War is not hell. These people in the video deserve no sympathy THEY are the hell.

    • @southpaw8040
      @southpaw8040 6 років тому +21

      in my experience, veterans love to talk about their time in the service. they love to reminisce. you just have to know what questions to ask and what NOT to ask. How you ask is important as well.

    • @lilgoomy
      @lilgoomy 6 років тому +1

      mcaval73 stfu

    • @johncorley9953
      @johncorley9953 6 років тому +7

      mcaval73 major respect for them talking about it. I'm a coward bc I can't bring myself to talk about what caused my P.T.S.D., SINCERELY, Tiffany Lancaster

  • @TSR_Video
    @TSR_Video 2 роки тому +9

    When I was younger. I tended to agree with josh more and thought his story was more interesting, but now when I come back to this video almost 6 years later. I think Lonnie has a very powerful and moving story.

  • @wesleyhitchcock4414
    @wesleyhitchcock4414 2 роки тому +14

    Anytime someone asked me if i killed anyone i usually went home, packed my bags and moved somewhere else. When i got married and had my son, i could not just pack up and run anymore so i reinvented myself as a happy go lucky guy. By 2009 i had got as close to the bottom as you can get and not get swallowed by the blackness. I have learned to deal with my nightmares in a non-destructive way. But it is not an easy path to walk on and i guess that is the way it will be until i am gone

  • @yaboibeeler6927
    @yaboibeeler6927 5 років тому +5591

    5:50 to the jump of 5:57 was not expected

    • @uzik8802
      @uzik8802 5 років тому +84

      Yaboi Beeler 😂😂

    • @rob9393
      @rob9393 5 років тому +351

      Different ways to cope

    • @rileyhanley4064
      @rileyhanley4064 5 років тому +118

      I didn’t notice that transition😂

    • @gasmadness
      @gasmadness 5 років тому +49

      That was so funny 😂💀

    • @dr_shmeppi7679
      @dr_shmeppi7679 5 років тому +4

      😂😂

  • @SuperFuzzyman123
    @SuperFuzzyman123 3 роки тому +2282

    "When is it OK to kill somebody?"
    "Do you want to go home and see your family?"

    • @istasha885
      @istasha885 3 роки тому +105

      His retort to the interviewer sent chills to my spine. It gave me a panic attack and im crying for some reason. Like, it felt like my life was being threatened

    • @CL3V3L4ND40
      @CL3V3L4ND40 3 роки тому +165

      Thats ultimately what it boils down to, do you want to see your loved ones more than the guy across from you?

    • @2324freedomgundam
      @2324freedomgundam 3 роки тому +85

      @@istasha885 That's because you experienced what I have heard described as "killing intent", "conviction of will", and "grit". That is what a warrior looks like. Someone who tells it like it is and who has been in situations where he has to fight for his life. He broke it down to the simplest level. "Do you want to see your family again?" Is a simple question. If you want to see your loved ones again you would be surprised what a person is capable of doing. War isn't about winning, it's about survival second and preventing the enemy from coming home first.

    • @Realkeepa
      @Realkeepa 3 роки тому +3

      When trump say its right...fuck the us

    • @yulfine1688
      @yulfine1688 3 роки тому +28

      @@Realkeepa its not just America most countries have soldiers within the afghan Iraq areas. The Middle East is war torn from soemthing that happened back in world war I and then II not to mention oil and profit and fear

  • @EVAASIVEOne
    @EVAASIVEOne 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you to all these men, especially the Vietnam vets, they saw absolute horrors in their rawest and most organized form...

  • @justtheword4068
    @justtheword4068 2 роки тому +2

    “Do you want to go home and see your family”?
    The best question/answer ever given.

  • @allen6walker
    @allen6walker 3 роки тому +1850

    "would you like to go home and see your family" that interviewer was sweating I am telling ya

    • @joemungus6063
      @joemungus6063 3 роки тому +129

      i was sweating lmfao terrifying

    • @allen6walker
      @allen6walker 3 роки тому +22

      @@joemungus6063 I am not gonna lie but same xD

    • @miguelmarquez4192
      @miguelmarquez4192 2 роки тому +78

      I think it was just unexpected. When guys answer me like that, it always takes me a split sec to understand the angle of their approach. Its not that they have me sweating. Its just part of dealing with an asshole. The question didnt deserve an answer like that. And if youre going to serve and be proud of serving expect questions from people. Kids in particular want to know. No need to be the shitty unapproachable step-dad type. Theres nothing wrong with "yes i did, but i dont speak about it. It was something between he and i and ill answer for it later." Why agree to do an interview and be a defensive punk?

    • @raed1642
      @raed1642 2 роки тому +18

      @@miguelmarquez4192 huge ignoramous i see

    • @veiserexab1428
      @veiserexab1428 2 роки тому +4

      He sound mad at interviewer

  • @classact9557
    @classact9557 4 роки тому +1760

    Whenever I meet a veteran, I make it a point to NEVER ask the “kill anyone” question. I don’t care if they never even been deployed to combat in the whole of their careers. Not only does it bring up awful memories that they’ve worked so hard to move on from, it’s obscenely inconsiderate.

    • @tanguylaloy8155
      @tanguylaloy8155 4 роки тому +38

      Yes and it looks like they didn’t know they were going to be asked that question... not cool

    • @noellethorn8624
      @noellethorn8624 4 роки тому +26

      I agree, this whole video seems rude.

    • @johnclarencemercado4218
      @johnclarencemercado4218 4 роки тому +2

      only a few can understand them

    • @wucob6757
      @wucob6757 4 роки тому

      You’re a hero

    • @rugaritolager7411
      @rugaritolager7411 4 роки тому +13

      my father killed 16 people in the bosnian war and afghanistan and we never discuss it with him. it’s the most respectful thing to do

  • @kg_canuck
    @kg_canuck 9 місяців тому +2

    I'm glad you talked to a bunch of soldiers of different ages and from different conflicts. The teachings, mentality, morality, and reactions change drastically along the timeline.
    I've watched this video a few times through the years, and I've always seen comments calling Josh out for lacking in tact and compassion. I don't think it's anyones place to call a soldier out for how they handle death and killing (unless they bring that violence home to those who don't deserve it). What he describes is horrible, but he seems to have a very good understanding of what he did, why he did it, and what would have happened to himself and his comrades if he hadn't. I think that deserves respect, even if he is very blunt in his description.

  • @jakelavis3694
    @jakelavis3694 2 місяці тому

    Im gonna save this video and i will watch it before im about to do something stressful. This interview is so raw and fresh. It gives me hope because its a crazy idea that people like this suffering with problems like these! Its so dark.❤

  • @rossstephen7013
    @rossstephen7013 8 років тому +3469

    big video and big issues, youtube needs more of this

    • @notFringe
      @notFringe 8 років тому +1

      +WatchCut Video gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Ross-Kisses-The-Thank-You-Sign-On-Friends.gif

    • @KellseyAlexHipo
      @KellseyAlexHipo 8 років тому +1

      +Obiarshi What can we do, exactly? We don't choose to start wars. And those who push for it do so with the belief that others will fight it for them.

    • @KellseyAlexHipo
      @KellseyAlexHipo 8 років тому +1

      *****
      But how does that help? I try to help people however I can, I try to be nice, but how does that change anything? For every one of those people who genuinely are good people, there are fifty more who couldn't care less about anything else as long as they're satisfied. We have so many ways we can help the world, each other, but it never works because we're all so selfish we refuse to give up what we have in order to make a change.
      A group is only as strong as its weakest member. Forgive my cynicism, but I can't help but think there is little hope left for us.

    • @MrCRAIGSHILL
      @MrCRAIGSHILL 8 років тому +2

      +KellseyAlexHipo You can't change others, and many can never be helped! All you can do is try your best while not being used! do small things around your community to help, help an elderly person or volunteer at a sou kitchen, things you control and know actually help, when you give to big groups you know they don't do what is promised so control what happens by doing for those in need by you!

    • @KellseyAlexHipo
      @KellseyAlexHipo 8 років тому

      MrCRAIGSHILL
      It's funny you say that actually, because I do try my best to help people when I can, but I recently started realizing I'm a little too naive for my own good. I'm turning 18 in April, and my mother has been scolding me more and more often for the things I unthinkingly do. For example, I'm apparently not supposed to walk around with money in my hand, because someone may try to take it. I do plan on volunteering (I recently donated blood for the first time at my school), but I feel like I've lost faith in humanity and just want life to end already. Today, I read three stories in the news, one of which included a man beating his wife and throwing her out naked into the streets for talking to another man, another man claiming his infant choked on a used condom when he'd actually put his private part... *sigh*, and a couple who attempted flushing their newborn baby down a toilet before dismembering it and throwing it away when it failed. I'll try to be good, I'll try to help, and I'm sure there are others who want to make a difference, but I see no hope for us.

  • @hbombfreak
    @hbombfreak 3 роки тому +931

    When the old man said “oh man this is hard” my heart broke.

    • @Realkeepa
      @Realkeepa 3 роки тому

      He is a murder...for money...idiot

    • @Realkeepa
      @Realkeepa 3 роки тому

      Couse you dumb as hell...idiot

    • @Realkeepa
      @Realkeepa 3 роки тому

      @@thatpalmettoguy5696 do you know what war is???

    • @Realkeepa
      @Realkeepa 3 роки тому

      @@thatpalmettoguy5696 in basketball ore what???

    • @Realkeepa
      @Realkeepa 3 роки тому

      @@thatpalmettoguy5696 ww1 and 2 is a different thing...but when you on purpose gets a soldier..dont come and buhuu,i have problems to sleep

  • @notorious5994
    @notorious5994 2 роки тому +1

    I've been steady coming back to this video every year after it was uploaded to hear these souls stories again because I feel it's important.

  • @darthvader3133
    @darthvader3133 2 роки тому

    Veteran's deserve more love than what they get

  • @z3k378
    @z3k378 4 роки тому +1291

    Everyone’s saying that people’s shouldn’t make jokes in the comments but I haven’t seen one yet

    • @nomomozarella2042
      @nomomozarella2042 4 роки тому +31

      In Russia, you no make joke. Joke makes you, therefore your mom and pop are jokes.

    • @dblck9
      @dblck9 4 роки тому +3

      then it's working, zeke

    • @EliFonte
      @EliFonte 4 роки тому +1

      For real

    • @Deadpool-px2nm
      @Deadpool-px2nm 4 роки тому +1

      z3k3 im replying to one rn

    • @tenzindhargye2244
      @tenzindhargye2244 4 роки тому +1

      You haven’t scrolled deep enough.