The Disturbing Wilbur Soot Allegations...
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- Опубліковано 29 лют 2024
- This video is an explaination of the unfolding situation regarding Shelby Grace, known commonly online as Shubble and William Patrick Spencer Gold, most commonly known as Wilbur Soot. Within this video, the allegations, evidence and responses are outlined.
With this being such a heavy topic, please be as respectful as possible within the comments section.
Women's Aid Link - www.womensaid.org.uk/
Shubble's Twitch Link - / shubble
Twitter - / foxakimbo
Instagram - / foxakimbo - Розваги
Wilbur soot gonna pull out his ukulele 💀💀
all aboard 🫠
@@pseudoruu the toxic gossip train! 🚆
@@user-so9kq6om2schugging down the tracks of misinformation 🚂🗣️
(UA-camr apology agony)
I'm not even gonna be surprised if that happens
UA-camrs try not to be a pedo / abuser / psychopath challenge: impossible
Minecraft UA-camrs are on an even harder difficulty
at least theres DanTDM@@emc4262
The worst rises to the top
@@emc4262 minecraft youtubers cant beat the allagations, theyre to busy beating women
@@emc4262fr
Everyday the fact that DanTDM, Markiplier and Matpat are still clean gets more and more impressive
Jacky boy too, don't forget the Gaelic gladiator
They had so many racist tweets
@@tyrecea_z I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that.
@unraveki your profile picture fits your response XD
Cory too
When technoblade died, everything went downhill
Unfortunately yes :( this wasnt what he wanted
agreed and dont mind my photo i need to change it
fr :((
I think all this stuff was going to come out eventually, it was inevitable. But, yeah, Techno’s death was definitely a starting point for all of this.
@@carbs_r_delishsimply untrue
wilbur literally has multiple WOMEN saying that he bit them. dude is tweakin. put a muzzle on this man.
he should get a diamond grill to flex on the haters
@@henkdachiefcringe
@@henkdachiefdiamond minecart
@@cccccc6667 i thought a grill would go well with the whole biting theme, its a biting-themed item
@@henkdachief oh yeeee.i put diamond minecart bc minecraft and diamond grill
someone really wrote “I’m not reading allat” on his response ☠️
This is a serious situation and I don't why I laughed😭
@@bhadzyt you're not the only one 😭
@@nohopes1592 💀
I’m like 90% sure it was quackity
not to mention lil tay also responded
did we learn nothing from Yo gabba gabba "dont bite your friends song"
💀💀💀so true tho
💀💀💀💀💀 on god @@brontesaurus-
Truly
Apparently not:(
Damn. I haven’t watched that show in years😂.
Putting the blame on her and saying her pain tolerance is low is so dumb to say. If you truly think her pain tolerance is so low then just done bite her. Problem solved, no one is forcing you to bite her and you don’t need to do that at all. Even if it was a weird kink or something, if you’re partner doesn’t like it you stop there. Everyone likes different things, if it’s truly just a kink or something that still doesn’t mean you should force it on other ppl. There is no reason to blame the other for not liking it. Like I said, If you truly think her pain tolerance is so low and she is exaggerating the just stop biting her and the problem will be solved. It’s like if she were to slap him in the face and every time it gets harder and harder, and then he tells her he doesn’t like it, but then she says, “Oh this is who I am, deal with it” and saying, “My slaps aren’t the problem it’s your pain tolerance.” Its just the dumbest thing ever to say, it’s the same with biting someone. She’s just asking to not be bitten so hard . She’s not asking for much.
Its known that woman feel pain 1.5x more
But did he force it on her? After all he asked if she is okay.
you know its a wammy when dream starts making sense and tubbo breaks character and acts like a responsible grown adult man
Bro if even Dream says you're f*ck up there is no coming back from that
@@WulkI'm not in the loop how is dream fucked up lmao
Ikr. Tubbo's response caught me so off guard lol. I don't usually watch Tubbo, so I had no idea what he is actually like as a person, I went in with no expectations at all except for him to behave somewhat similarly to his DSMP character.
@@noway377 read it again
@@noway377 I think he meant by if Dream ssys “you're a fuck up” there's no way back...
the fact that his "apology" downplayed the abuse and made it all about him was wild. he really doesn't get it.
Dreams video was also all about him
@@Violet_-dx1fpBut he was also proven innocent
Apparently someone counted and he said ‘I’ about 13 or smth times while he didn’t even bother saying Shelby’s name
@@bumblebeeproductions1673 ok? He’s explaining himself and his side of the story, obviously he’s going to talk about himself
@@Violet_-dx1fp bro literally didn’t apologize for shit. He just said “I’m sorry you felt that way”
The fact that no one he knew personally tried to defend him says a lot. Even they automatically assumed it was ture.
Thank u so much for talking so respectfully about this topic and even donating, really important topic.
"If you weren't the slightest bit handsome, everyone would think you were a wrongun." -Thomas Simons in reference to William Gold
"Well that one -didn't- age -quite- -so- well."
honestly, seeing how the Abuser was so good at acting, it doesn't surprise me that he's good at manipulation
Well, that aged like milk
I think some of you missed the sarcasm in that remark.🧐
If anyone was wondering where he said this, it was in the Roast of Tom Simons on the Tom Simons channel
13:13 Shelby actually explained somewhere (I think it was either briefly on someone’s else’s livestream or in a tweet?) that she only kept the vod up for a day because she didn’t want it to follow her for the rest of her life. Like, (in my own words) she doesn’t want to be known as ‘that person who was abused by a well known content creator’.
It hurts even more knowing that so many content creators that are females will always be connected to their male counterparts, whether they're dating, broken up, or even abused in this case.
It's already happened with people keeping tabs on MALE content creators and their responses to Will's actions. More before wishing peace for Shelby.
She should not have to be. I do not watch her content, but it seems to me that she is an amazing, successful person. She is so much more than a victim.
@@raptorcrasherinc.9823I hate how people immediately associate people with toxic partners as victims. It’s so sick, is that what you think that person is? It’s insulting
@@serenegenerally Well she is a victim of domestic abuse, she reached out to make others aware of the situation. What I meant, however, was that she is still a person. That is what defines her, not one dark spot in her life. She wants to move on and I respect that, my intention when leaving that comment was to express that.
Yes, it was said on a stream with Lexie Mariex on feb 26!
This is the most heartwarming video I’ve seen related to this topic. Thank you for not treating this as entertaining gossip.
I avoided this video for the past week or so being recommended to me. Truthfully, I'm just so sick of these takedowns and drama around something I used to appreciate but grew out of. I'm not one of these young Dream SMP stans. I'm a 24 year old dude who enjoyed seeing some of the content for a while when I was bored during covid, and enjoyed some of the funny youtube videos. Who followed the Dream drama casually, and realized I was misinformed. So, I was wary of it happening again, and avoided this.
Curiosity finally got to me, and. To say the least, I'm very disappointed. This is not like the other drama I've seen. This irrefutable, and tragic. I have no words, other than thank you for presenting this respectfully and irrefutably, so that I can know, without overdramatized speculation who not to look back fondly at.
popular youtuber be a functional member of society challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Watch hermitcraft lol
Hermitcraft is full of old men with family and children and got popular later in their life . That's why I like hermitcraft no nonsense normal people .
Plus Wilbur always gave me that male feminist vibe.
I'm telling you it's the Minecraft UA-camr curse
@@InsaneCelery238hermitcraft mentioned!!!
@@InsaneCelery238 GRAIN!!! (Yes I mean it how I spelled it)
I've seen the Kwite and Dream situations being brought up as reasons to be skeptical about Shubbles "allegations" when they are very different situations. Remember, Shelby never initially made any direct accusations against Wilbur, his name never came out of her mouth. Wilbur himself was the one to confirm it. If she did just "want attention," why not just use his name? Why delete the Vod? I might be biased because I've followed Shelby waaayyy longer than Wilbur, but I don't believe she'd lie about this, and I think how she presents the information backs it up.
I have seen comments lashing out on shelby, thinking that it was fake and all for clout. But ur comments seems to sum it up that she most likely didn’t do it for clout so 👍🏼
And also, Wilbur literally admitted to it in his "apology"
As dream said: she had a reason to fear saying Wilbur's name. Wilbur did not have a reason to fear saying shubbles name.
Im on Shelby’s side 100%, and I’m not saying she’s lying at all.
but of course you never truly know a influencer. Just because you followed her for a long time doesn’t mean she can’t lie
I’ve been a fan of Wilbur and I never knew he was an abuser, so it’s easy to follow someone and not know what they do behind closed doors
(No hate!)
No as someone who's been following wilbur for a long while? This honestly makes too much fucking sense looking back on it. You're absolutely not biased. You're just right.
❤ Thank you for being so respectful in this video and helping raise awareness about domestic abuse. I’m so proud of Shelby for being so strong and brave to open up about her horrifying experience. I was so surprised and shook to find out about this abuse story, as you don’t expect something so terrible to happen, especially in this community. It’s definitely not Shelby’s fault and I’m enraged people are supporting Wilbur, when he simply didn’t care about any of his victims. I sincerely hope Shelby can find peace after such an ordeal and I’m sending all my best wishes to her and her friends.
I am so sorry Shubble that you have to go through that very sad!! thank you sir.
Hope all is heal soon and the help that is needed will be given.
Finding out who Wilbur actually is ended up being such a horrible experience that DreamStans, old dsmp fans, lovejoy fans etc. all united for once.
It's honestly insane how united everyone in the community is.
I am on the verge of tears. I really am.
Soothouse videos were my comfort videos. Now I can't watch them
@TheSparkOfCorn Every piece of evidence we have shows he is at fault and you still defend him? Amazing.
@@concept5631 I have mixed feelings about him
He was my comfort streamer. He still makes me laugh. My sister told me to watch a vid of him just to see if I'm comfortable with watching him still
I am but I'm also not.
Also he's been like this for awhile? Does anyone remember Your Sister Was Right? Like- that was a song about one of his exes. He regretted what he did. He's probably and hopefully getting help. One can only hope that he's getting mental help. He probably has anger issues. Sure he deliberately hurt Shubble-. I feel bad for BOTH of them. He was taking a mental health break from uploading and he was slowly coming back.
I never really watched any of the other dsmp streamers videos. Only techno, Ranboo and Wilbur. Sometimes Jschlatt and Tommy. Mainly those 3.
The scary thing is, Wilbur was one of those people that nobody suspected at all. He seemed like a genuine person but one thing this taught me. DON'T IDOLISE/LOOK UP TO CELEBRITIES/INFLUENCERS.
Idolizing *anyone* is a terrible idea to begin with and it's just gotten so much more worse nowadays ~~~~> mental health dropping like flies
@@Star_Scootidolizing yourself is bad damn😢
@@Interlink.Tbh nah keep going
Yeah, but you are siding with a woman that is manipulative as hell and very clearly seeking out MANY partners who are violent. She not only wanted to participate in violent sex, she has done so with multiple partners then screamed "rape" with her previous partners. My advice, back away from forming an opinion on this situation. It is another johnny Depp and Amber Herd situation for sure.
I mean he has that same lack of respect that most people have nowadays, which shows how this type of stuff has affected our society. We ignore huge red flags like selfishness, disrespect, and being just plain impolite (constantly cussing nonstop, talking bad about groups, etc is our society's norm) and this is the outcome
one thing people don’t seem to realize is sometimes you don’t realise you’re in an abusive relationship until you’re deep in it or in my case, you’ve left it. i knew there were some red flags but i didn’t see it as abusive behavior until a few months ago, and we’ve been broken up for two years at this point. i’m glad she spoke out about her situation because these abusers need to be called out, especially ones who have a platform and specifically a child audience.
I stopped watching dsmp over a year ago and didn't think i still had care for it anymore, but honestly this really shocked me. Knowing how this stings me present day reminds me how torn apart 2021 me would be right now, she wouldve had her heart torn out. Dsmp got me through the pandemic but Wilbur was always my favorite, in fact i was such a huge fan I literally learned all his songs on my guitar and honestly he was what motivated me to start playing, I looked at him as a rolemodel. This situation reminded me how much of an inspiration he was to me and how much he has impacted the skills i have today, and now it all feels like it's gone down the drain and meant for nothing. I'll admit, I'm really shocked and even upset, even though i do not care about minecraft and that stuff anymore, especially since he was the least person i thought could ever do this to someone and the last person to ever do something bad to anyone. My heart goes out to Shelby and all the victims, and even all the fans who are devastated right now, cause i know i would be too
Honestly, I don't get why people doubt her story.
-She said biting is a very weird form of abuse that would go unnoticed or not taken seriously, why make-up biting as the abuse then?
-She didn't say his name first, Wilbur was the one who outed himself, if it's for clout why not say his name?
-Wilbur's apology is an entire proof in itself
Extremely disrespectful to comment hate on her after so much evidence. I myself enjoyed his content so I cannot comprehend this attitude of his 'fans'.
To add on to this
-Multiple women who have come out and mentioned his weird obsession with biting
However, what think is the most damning piece of evidence to me is in an old stream where Wilbur asks what bad things he had done and Niki said that he bites her and when she's responding he turns on a vacuum cleaner in the background.
I don't know what other evidence there is that is needed. At least the majority of his ex-fans have sided with Shelby.
Literally. She still seems really lost about it, when she was telling her story you can almost see her disassociate remembering the memories of it happening. Like… he BIT me, why did he do that?
And I can answer that easily: because nobody would take that seriously if she or another victim complained. A lot of abusers start small. You don’t go straight to choking your partner on day one.
I bite my boyfriend as a love language, and the most important parts of it are consents and carefulness. Never hurt them, and if you hurt them. YOU. JUST. STOP
@@blank5519 After the Dream thing, I don't really care many people accuse someone. Dream proved that if one false accusation catches, on, people will make more "cause it's fun." But the amount of evidence she provided and the fact that Wilbur didn't really seem to care is damning in its own right.
She let ants crawl in her cooter for this guy.
as someone with a biting habit, wilbur's case is just so weird. biting someone until it causes bruises and until it hurts them is just a whole another level. making a safeword yet when shubble said it, he didn't even stopped. used to love him but he's such a freak. the normal looking ones are the ones you won't even suspect.
🐕
@@TheSparkOfCornA grown man should know better than to bite people randomly. A grown man should STOP when being told NO.
I feel like "freak" is the wrong word. Ppl can be freaky and cool. An abuser is what he is. Best to call it what it is
@@TheSparkOfCornplease do not bite people without their permission. It's a crime
@@TheSparkOfCornnot an alleged abuser. he *is* one!
You made this video really well and were very respectful good job.
Very good video, im so tired of these youtube channels who are using this horrible situation for non
seriuos content
IT ISNT ALLEGATIONS. HE ADMITTED TO IT
a good rule of thumb for when you see the world 'allegations': they're probably trying to defend themselves from legal trouble
as long as you say "allegations," the accused party has 0 legal basis to sue you for any sort of defamation. That's why most news sources will always use "allegations" even in very obvious situations. This isn't the uploader trying to downplay the issue, but likely trying to cover all bases in terms of how the accused might retaliate to the information that was released.
I think it’s so they don’t get a lawsuit for defamation. It’s something a lot of people do, even tho it’s clear they did something
When Exactly did he Admit it..?
In an apology…did you seriously watch this whole video and NOT notice the apology??@@AceFaz
@@CheriBlossomshe doesn’t admit to abuse in the apology he admits to possibly pushing too far and it looks like his apology was written by a lawyer
For him to be a “wordsmith” and “manipulative” it’s weird the apology is so shit, it’s almost like they are trying to get ahead of it for sake of his career and others associated with him
Idk just my guess
I’m glad you mentioned _everyone’s_ younger age when meeting Wilbur. There’s a lot of concern over Tommy’s well being, as he was only around 15 (or younger, unsure) when he spoke to him- but we can’t forget that many of Wilbur’s friends have known him a long time, and Shelby needs support more than we needs their responses.
Mhmm. I say a couple of people saying he did bite people during vlogs and all that. But we shouldn't be pressuring people for info on this. We should be supporting the people who we know have been hurt by him
@TheSparkOfCorn Yes, but Tommy was 15 when he and Wilbur first met. Wilbur was an adult in his 20s, while Tommy was a minor in high school.
That’s something that has always irked me about that whole thing. Grown adults interacting and having private conversations with people who have barely started Highschool. In certain clips, the aforementioned minors have said how excited they were to be friends with their idols, which sounds dangerously close to the Colleen Ballenger situation.
Twitch has an age limit for a reason, and I think it’s about time they start enforcing it better.
@@TheSparkOfCorn I was just replying to your question. I thought you were confused, so I decided to help clarify.
@TheSparkOfCorn Also, the reason age is important in this conversation is because it is suspicious that a 23 year old man would befriend a 15 year old. Maybe once isn’t all that odd, but multiple of Wilbur's MCYT friends were minors when they met him (and he was an adult).
Even if it weren’t suspicious, there is still a power imbalance at play since the dynamic was established when Tommy was a bit younger and easier to manipulate (if that's the right wording).
I was so shocked and disappointed that i kept my phone down . Being disappointed is an understatement , i cant even believe this but the "allegations" are so steel proof that i cant even try to deny . I am definitely taking shelbys side and i am really happy that she came out to speak about this. Wilbur was a light of hope for people to continue living their lives,he used to touch peoples hearts with his words ,but, now these words are no longer music to ears .
The More disappointed i am is at his apology u could barely call it a apology rather it was a message to justify his actions. I hope that he actually comes out with a genuine apology rather than trying to ignore this.
He was my favourite member of the dream Smp. I hope he realizes how bad he f-ed up as not only did he hurt Shelby but he also hurt his friends and his fandom.
“Schlatts” response is gonna make ‘99 look like a tea party
a bite that penetrates the skin can lead to some nasty infections due to the bacteria in saliva.
Right! Worse than a dog bite-our mouths have a lot of stuff in them that are not meant to be in our blood. The digestive system cleans them up.❤
im so scared idk what to do
And considering Wilbur is a nasty fucker that doesn’t help
yeaaa they can actually be WORSE than a bite from a pet. while it's absolutely safe when it's just in our mouth, once it enters your blood it can turn bad REAL fast
Wait doesn't saliva have anti bacterial properties? Lysozyme breaks down bacterial wall. But ya I agree it can cause infection due to other stuff.
y'know, since Techno died, I basically stopped following what all his streamer friends were up to, the only times I ever really see them pop up on my feed nowadays is when they have some controversies around them (Well, it's mostly dream controversies), but Wilbur was the person I least expected to ever pop up on my feed for a controversy, it's wild tbh, I thought he was a pretty chill guy as well, he was basically my second favourite content creator during 2020
I had always liked Techno Philza and Wilbur not much the other people but i kinda expecting this most from Wilbur.
Idk who said it but i heard something somewhere about “behind all lies theres some truth” and he has had so many dark jokes. Along side his ARG stuff. I dont side with either because my opinion really does not matter. But before people over react they should wait and see how it turns out
@@CrushedCoaching71011 It's not only that, but a lot of the lovejoy lyrics and the lyrics to his songs before them are so dark and twisted, and I always thought they were just poetic but they kind of all reflect an awful self absorbed person which I find really interesting. It almost makes me wonder if the lyrics hit a little closer to home than I thought.
I know!! Ranboo and Wilbur were my favs but... Not anymore
I used to watch Techno the most as well but I did always find Wilbur a little bit weird. An ex girlfriend I had really loved him though so I warmed up to him. Now it all makes sense
fr. i was shocked to see this as well. couldnt believe he could do anything like that
Really enjoyed the respectful and informative tone of the video, feels as so you truly care about the victim and the positive that can come from these situations. Whereas some other creators feel fabricated, like they're doing it solely for the views. Keep it up!
You know what caught me off guard to this whole abusive ordeal? Is that "The boys" aren't protecting one of their own. They're on the victim's side. Wild. I'm so proud of them.
handing praise to them is the least of my concern
Yeah, considering MCYTers have unwittingly become role models to so many teens, I'm hoping their response to it has more of a lasting impact on them than Wilbur's behaviour does
...This is kind of a weird comment. It caught you off guard? Wilbur is an abuser and even admitted to it. If they're sensible people then of course they'll defend her.
@@angstyteen6042 you're very lucky to think that tbh. I think almost everyone on Earth has experienced or witnessed people siding with abusers/generally shitty people for no reason other than they're friends. Think about the whole Danny Masterson thing, "well we've been friends for years and he never raped us so that must mean he's innocent". There's always the "Well I never knew them to do that thing" crowd, best you normally get is just their friends being silent about it, so having almost everyone come out and not only not defend him but be LOUDLY against him, it is most definitely a huge thing. Its the bare minimum realistically, but its a bare minimum we rarely see and deserves to be praised imo.
mfs after discovering that half the population is also capable of critical thinking
I hate seeing people say “why didn’t you do something before?” When someone is being abused you often brush it off because you just don’t want to believe that a person you trust is hurting you. Just recently I’ve realized I’ve been groomed by a ex friend. These situations are so painful and it’s hard to accept the fact someone you love is a bad person.
But my question is, since abuse is such a serious topic why did just decide to make content out of it and not just take him to court like any logical victim would, because technically he's still getting away with it then
@@kaylerecheizer404I think that would take evidence and proof
@@artpop301 well true, but he did actually admit it and confirmed it on social media, that's one big piece of evidence
@@kaylerecheizer404 I have 4 reasons
1: She just wants to vent about, considering she never mentioned Wilbur by name she definitely didn't want to start drama
-1.1: Going to the police can often worsen abusive tendencies from people since they don't want to get caught and if the police investigate someone and find them innocent they are less likely to investigate a second time
2: It can be very hard for women to get the police and/or justice system to take them seriously when they're being abused. Abusers are very good at manipulation it's how they reel in new victims and it's the reason they're able to get away with it for so long
-2.1: Wilbur soot is also in one the most popular bands around at the moment so it be very easy for him to find a good lawyer to get off Scot Free.
-2.2: Even if an abuser is sentenced it could be a complete nothing burger of a sentence compared to what they deserve
-2.3: Shelby also said Wilbur wrote a beautiful love letter to her so manipulation would not be out of character
3: To warn other people about his behaviour so they also fall victim to him. Since this is out if he tries to find new people to go after they could find this out about him and cut ties early. A criminal record could be much harder to find for the average person.
4: Abusers also love control so finding a way to it away from them is a good thing. In this case taking away his platform is a huge step to stop him from reaching new people for him to take control over.
I didn't mean this to be an attack of you I just wanted to clarify why she would go public instead of to the police
@@kaylerecheizer404 its not easy to take things to court. Not only does it take a lot of money, but it means the victim will have to see their abuser again and be forced to relive the abuse for MONTHS while recounting it in court.
Also because while wilbur's confession is enough proof for us, its extremely likely that with a good lawyer it would never hold up in court.
taking wilbur to court might already not worth the money and mental/emotional turmoil to her on its own, but even less so considering he probably wouldnt even be convicted.
istg the situation is so bad especially seeing wilbur’s friends responses show how sick he is. watching tubbo confront the situation said a lot. ive never seen tubbo get that mad about anything and the fact he looked so disgusted talking about it. it’s also terrible that now there are people saying “support wilbur” and “im still a wilbur fan”. i only watched shelby a few times before but i watched wilbur all the time, but now im so disappointed and so upset, i support shelby all the way- if anyone is a wilbur fan then please do not talk to me. his response was also sick- he couldn’t even have the guts to talk about shelby by name.
I hate how everybody I ever looked up too such as Wilbur soot and other influencers turn out to be horrible people and it makes me sick to my stomach that they would do all these horrible things. At first, I refused to believe Wilbur would do something like this because I idolized him and saw him as a good person because of what we see on camera but once he openly admitted to it, it made me feel like we all had been betrayed. But in that moment, I remembered that people could lie. they make personas for the camera. we don't know what they are like off camera because they always can keep up a mask hiding how horrible they could actually be. So, for some advice, never look up too people or expect them to be a good person if you don't know them personally. Cause with how many people have been revealing themselves as cruel and abusive nowadays or have been exposed is becoming too large of a number to ignore anymore.
I can not believe Wilbur would do that. So many people looked up to him and loved him so much. His “apology” was so shocking and sickening. I can not imagine the pain stubble went through. I hope she get the kindness and care she needs.
Minor spelling mistake that your autocorrect may have caused but Shelby’s name is accidentally spelled as stubble.
shovel*
shuffle*
*schwobble
Im not surprised. his entire fanbase is 13 year olds who wanna kiss him
Literally noone who's entire career was built purely by 14 year olds wanting to kiss the ground they stand on would end up being a good person, so this doesnt surprise me at all
Wait what
@@Moo_dee_ they are saying a lot of people who have started out with fanbases of kids have wound up being terrible people
@@xXluluchanelXx oh okay ty
CaptainSparklez, DanTDM, Jacksepticeye, Tommyinnit etc...@@xXluluchanelXx
@@Moo_dee_they mean a person who built a fanbase on children who idolize them to an unhealthy degree is always going to bad a bad person
I kept seeing this and ignored it cause I was slightly out of the community, but now I decided to see this and I'm in many states of emotion. I feel so sorry for the victims of this abuse 💔 ,but also shock how my favorite twitch streamer did this.. I HATE how someone can do this and not even give a slightly responseable apology. I want to give as much support to the victims of this bitting abuse and minipluative act..💔
Why can’t we have creators that don’t cause so much drama and pain to others
I’m sorry for shubble having to go through this she and anyone else who’s gone through this doesn’t deserve going through this.
just a reminder: these are no longer “allegations.” Wilbur Soot IS an abuser. He openly admitted to his actions in his so-called “apology,” multiple women are pointing out his disgusting behavior, and even Shelby herself has said how she doesn’t accept the “apology.” This is not some petty drama, some streamer controversy- this is real people that have been HURT by an abuser, a literal CRIME. The fact people are still calling these “allegations” or “speculations” is ridiculous, not to mentioning the number of them still supporting an abuser. I applaud Shelby for being able to share her story with the world and wanting to help any other victims out there with her story. She truly deserves all the support she’s received and more. Please support her and all victims.
@@TheSparkOfCorngod, go touch grass. Instead of commenting on videos like this, go do your own information, I’ve already seen your replies and you’re just hounding to him like a little dog.
@lafoutloud07 i absolutely agree with you. only thing is, saying “allegations” is a way to avoid being sued for defamation - even more so if you make videos like this one. watched the whole video and understood how people managed to find out who shubble was talking about.
oof im disgusted
@@TheSparkOfCornMy guy you’ve been defending Wilbur all throughout the comments section, it’s time to stop. I’m not a longtime fan but even I noticed suspicious behaviors of his such as his anger issues (how many times has something gone wrong and he’s reacted with severe anger on stream? Or when Philza went to his house, and he admitted that the walls were torn up because he “got angry?”).
That added with the fact that MULTIPLE people have come forward about his behaviors is damning enough. If what you said about him writing an apology because he’s been called out by others is true, then he should at the very least not be denying what’s been done or making the apology about how *he’s* doing better, how *he’s* improved.
It’s time to stop defending him. He did awful things and is rightfully being condemned.
Dude he ain't gonna sleep with you just bc you're marching through the comments screaming.
There is literally evidence and support to the victim from his OWN FRIENDS.
How dare you March around "no he didn't" just bc you don't want to believe it? These are REAL people who were REALLY hurt.
She kept him anonymous, she delete the video bc she didn't want to be known for that, she has a successful channel why the fuck would she need to make fake allegations for clout?
And if Wilbur WAS innocent he would have recipes he would defend himself. Stop making excuses.
I'm half convinced you are an abuser and don't want to see it.
Take one long look in the mirror, you are the type of fans Tubbo said has no place here. @@TheSparkOfCorn
the biting is so concering since human bites can be more dangerous than animal bites so it could have been really bad
I've been bitten so hard by a human that I didn't just bruise I bled dude!
Plus his hygiene was bad at a certain time, so who knows what bacteria his stinky chompers were carrying
I don't think bites can cause infection or anything unless they break skin, but it's still definitely gross and unsanitary, not to mention cruel since it wasn't consensual.
@@TheSoulArchitech yeah, bites & infections are a concern if they break the skin. human bites are capable of breaking the skin, though. infection was still a very real possibility.
@@Fupdernom Yucky dude :[
I experienced this type of behavior from a previous GF when she would get really angry or jealous over if I was being kind or getting along with a stranger or friend.. She'd bite me so hard mixed with other things. It's like she was mad if I was ever happy. She'd hit herself in the face. I'd try to comfort her and it eventually just became aimed at me. It nearly broke me. It did break me. I broke. I eventually got better and found very healing relationships afterwards and I'm much more at peace now and I sincerely hope this person is doing well and found a way to fill their life with love and joy for others around her in her life as well. I don't wish that toxic behavior on anyone.
I’ve been a fan since the beginning but I didn’t expect to come back to this after not watching him for 2 years
You know it’s bad when Dream makes a good criticism of your apology 💀
Dream is cringet and weird but not an ab○ser
why the dream hate?
@@MorbiusBlueBalls idk I don’t watch him but he seems like a good person
@@HC_FanHe wasn’t as good a person as most people thought he was, me included. I was deceived.
@@Mythical4227he is all the allegations against him were explained in his one long video and seem pretty genuine
There is a thing called “cuteness aggression” where people bite their partners. However with this it is consensual and it causes no pain bc you don’t put any force into it. My fiancé and I both do love bites but we’ve never hurt each other with it. What Wilbur did was not cuteness aggression or love bites it was full on abuse with the intent to hurt. He intended to cause Shelby pain. I just wanted to put that out there bc ik that there are a lot of people who do love bites.
This! I do this too, I don’t have a partner but when I see something really cute I feel like I need to bite something, so I usually bite my finger or something or my tongue lightly, I can’t fathom biting someone so hard it can hurt and continuously. I wonder if he thought because it’s so odd, it would never be brought up because he’s just “quirky”
@@hellohell7773what the fuck bro 💀
@@hellohell7773💀
@@wilbert_WXit's a thing
@@wilbert_WX it's really not that weird, most people do it without even realizing it 💀
This is why it is so important to set boundaries in the beginning relationships. I loved both of them, and want to keep an open mind, bud idek anymore.
Took me 7 days to watch this video, right before all those allegations started and was admitted by Wilbur, like 2 days before those video started popping out on my for you page, I watched some of his wine livestream with Quackity because It had been a long time since I watched both Wilbur or Quackity videos. While watching the I think was the recent one, I had that bad feeling about Wilbur, not to the point of thinking “oh he’s an abuser” but thinking he’s definitely “not mentally stable and well”, he just looked sick to me and I was worried for him but man If I knew. I was more of a fan of his music than Wilbur himself but I always felt some sort of comfort from Wilbur videos.
As a victim of abuse, I feel disgusted that I've been supporting such a horrible person for years. Even knowing that we had no way of telling it feels so gross. Support Shubble ❤️
Don't feel too bad, dear, you didn't know, that's the strength of abusers, they thrive on people's 'not knowing'. ❤
None of us knew, that's what abusers do
abusers are good at hiding what they do. it's not your fault you didn't know.
You couldn’t have known no one did but yeah it does make me a little sick I supported him for so long
Victims never know theyre being treated horribly until theyre treated with actual human kindness
My ex did this to me… they bit me too hard. They meant to and laughed at me and called me a baby for not liking it. They never apologized. They dumped me over text not long after I put my foot down and was genuinely pissed about it.
I don’t know how I feel after hearing about this. Cause I never really saw it as abuse
im so sorry that happened ❤
average relationship
It’s not abuse until it’s forced and repeated (OR results in immediate harm). Shellbies seems to have been all three
The same happened to me, I’m sorry you had to go through that man ❤️
@@zeno_live4713 I’m sorry you had to through anything similar. It’s fucked up.
If he/she hurts you once, don’t stay. They will do it again even if they say they won’t.
Well figures. Little girl cant handle a bite? 😢
@@tensei1710are you deranged
At this point I’ve seen SO many UA-camrs and whoever famous people just become these horrible people and do these horrible things (like the type of people who NO ONE could have ever imagined would’ve done anything like that) that It’s just like..it really is just disappointing. I see it so much now. All of our favorite people doing horrible things and then getting exposed and then that’s the end of them. It’s really just sad.why would they have to do that? It’s so stupid like why? Like your favorite celebrity that you idolize like they are your life. They could seem so innocent and not like they could do anything one day, and then do something absolutely disgusting the next and you’re questioning why and how could they do something like that. Celebrities are not your friends at all you don’t know them!! Stop idolizing them and that’s what this taught me. Because guess what? We’re all gonna keep seeing stuff like this. Exactly like this. Ira gonna continue. The thing is we just don’t know who’s gonna do it next so BE CAREFUL.
I feel SO bad for Shelby. I also feel bad for Tommy as well because this person genuinely was like a brother for him.
48 laws of power, he’s just a man, and Tommy should’ve known that. This is phenomenal character development for Tommy.
@@projecticy.Bro what the fuck these are real people not tv characters.
@@projecticy.Maybe we should quit watching a screen for 20 hrs eh?
@@projecticy. Go outside man this is real life
@@projecticy. Yeah dude the dream smp is not real
As someone who also only realized they were being abused AFTER the relationship ended, I completely empathize with her position. It's really fucking weird to think back on things that happened with this person you loved and conclude that oh, hey, maybe things weren't as okay as i thought they were.
Yeah, when you're inside you can't see clearly
it actually makes me emotional how supportive the mc youtubers are being to shubble and niki too it gives me hope that the young youtubers are being better
that is so horrible of him, what the actual fuck??
Really messed up. Wtf agreed with him?
Yall fully believe her? That's crazy
Is it though? She hasn't mentioned filing a police report.
@@LuridContent thank you!
He admitted to it. @@ConsistentlyInconsistent21
Abusers don't think they're in the wrong so his reaction is not surprising, after I got away from my abuser he sent me a lovely message about how much he valued the time we spent together.
I actually think he kept distance from long time relationship for 5 years bc he kind of understand that.
Also, many people can't really listen or have a talk about their mistakes, not only abusers. It is pretty common thing, just not often involving biting or hitting
fr tho my abusive ex sent me a text 3 years after they broke up with me basically saying "heyy i know you are upset at me *for some reason* and want nothing to do with me but i promise im a better person now i hope we can be friends again" like the physical threats and holding a knife to me was just a quirky teenage phase and i should be over it by now
@@NOTHINGTOSEEAHAHAH he would act like he had short term memory loss, like he didn't just scream at me or almost stabbed me. They're ridiculous. We can be proud of ourselves that we were able to escape from those relationships, they can't control or abuse us anymore. I hope you have a happy life and recover from all of that ❤️
so sad she never mentioned him by name and when Wilbur outed himself she was harassed for it
damn i’ll be honest i hadn’t really been keeping up with wilbur recently but i’ve been following him since back in his soothouse days and it’s really heartbreaking to know this guy who i’ve sort of grown up along side was really a horrible person, like jack said it’s a total surprise, hope shubbles ok and gets all the support she deserves
he was never the funniest in soothouse anyways
Him pinning her down to show her she wouldn’t be able to do anything against him if she wanted to, that was so sickening. It is truly evil to think of doing something like that to another person, especially someone Wilbur is meant to care about. He seems like a very threatening person, and that’s just never okay
Yup sounds like blatant abuse
The amount of fear that causes is crazy.
I genuinely went into flight or fight response when she said that just imagining being in that situation is so fucking horrible
Its terrifying
ok lowkey thats hot pinning her down i would be like "damn daddy do ur damage" ok look im too deprived and sexual basically my persona but that is not good
Wilbur also causing harm to his friends too is another alarm, this whole thing is awful and I wish nothing but the best for Shelby and all who were harmed by him.
Could you link some proof? Not trying to down play but i dont use social media becides youtube and has yet to watch the video. (Although I know alot about the situation.)
@@sebas31415 i dont it will let me post links but if you type wilbur biting it should pop up
@@sebas31415 Tommy did say in the girlfriend stories vid that Wilbur hits him a lot
@@AlterisKl w-what??? like fuill on hitting??????? and people said nothing??????????
@@sebas31415 Wilbur as admitted to hitting technoblade "accidentally" at his bad arm(the one where he got amputed? because of cancer) on stream. Which was later confirmed by others ( I don't remember who) that it was actually not on accident, AND wilbur said technoblade deserved it.
I'm to speechless!...😢
Shubble is such a sweet soul she dosent deserve this 💔 I’m so sorry
my ex would hit me and throw things. he would also bite so hard as to leave bite shaped bruises constantly outside of fights. i thought it was normal. and yes, love bites are completely normal! little nibbles and glomming on is normal. but if you are being HURT, that is not okay.
im better than wilbur and shelby + *Don't translate..
भवतः हृदयस्य धड़कनं कतिपयेषु घण्टेषु स्थगयिष्यति, अस्य शापस्य मुक्तिं प्राप्तुं एकमात्रं मार्गं मम चैनलस्य सदस्यतां कुर्वन्तु*
@@ville__wtf is wrong with you honestly.
@@ville__this is not the time for bots
Low tier god yourself.
@@ville__average bot
There’s a clip where he bit Tommy, WHO HAD JUST TURNED 18. Also mind you, Tommy looked up to him for many years and both were friends when he was a minor. Just all seems kind of weird now.
There was one where he stomped on Tommy's hand.
I never seen those clips that's awful
Are you kidding ???? Oh my lord
I always thought the dream smp was really weird tbh. There were a lot of 20 almost 30 year olds hanging out with teenagers.
When I was younger I thought Tommy and Wilbur had this fun, brotherly friendship but now i’m realizing how weird it is for someone in their mid 20s to be best friends with a 16-17 year old
Bro i was a wilbur fan for a long time but then kinda forgot/stopped watching his videos bcs of him not posting and now today seeing this i am disgusted,sad,disappointed and glad that shelby or idrk her name im sorry i never really heard of her before but im glad she came out and is safe now❤😢
I was a huge Wilbur fan before this situation. As he says, people can change. I once had a friend who was mentally unstable and very toxic (kept threatening to off themself if I didn’t date them, and we were in third or fourth grade at the time), but yet after several years have gone by, we are now best friends and really close once more. They’ve gotten help and gotten better, even if they do struggle sometimes
I’m all for believing in people changing, but they have to prove that they have changed
But there is no way he can prove he’s changed. His persona he had online acted like he was a great person, so I’m not sure how any on-screen change for him would work
Especially with that shitty of an apology
I used to watch his streams and vidoes for hours as background noise
A close friend loved his content so much she would sleep with his podcast on
But yet now neither of us can even see him without getting upset.
wilbur unmodding all his mods on twitch including a bot they created to share links to domestic violence resources and then making an alt account to mod himself has to be the biggest loser moment of 2024 and its only march
I know right?? I was so angry
We're three months into 2024 and it feels like it's been 10 years
@@three_frogs_in_a_trench_coatyup, I'm already exhausted, and we're only just getting started.
@@three_frogs_in_a_trench_coatreally? For me it feels like 3 weeks
For the better in Wilburs pov tbh. If he thinks he's truly innocent or just an communication issue. Adding more drama is not good
Every time an abuse survivor tells their story, the world gets a bit safer. I’m sad Wilbur Soot ended up being an abuser, but I’m so happy that Shelby Grace has shined a light on this.
This is an amazing comment
“bit”
@@kennethmoses4900NAH
ima pricu
i agree, i used to support will but idrk after this
So I didn’t know any of this stuff, didn’t know it was happening and I don’t want to side with anyone because things can be lied about, especially on the internet. I just hope that whatever has/ is happening with Shubble, I hope she is alright. Let’s just hope everything calms down soon and is brought to light
Gotta love the thumbnail of these video essay.
No cuz the part where she said she didn't think biting was abuse hit me hard asf. Like I didn't think that being touched sexually while sleeping was sexually assaulted cuz it wasn't rape. Honestly fuck Wilbur.
L women
@@user-zz6mi5ex1f wow. That really not something you say when someone says they were sexually assaulted buddy.
Sorry lemme reiterate, women kinda(really) suck @@Spidercunt__yt
@@user-zz6mi5ex1fAre you a looksmaxxing incel?
@@Spidercunt__yt i am so sorry that happened to you, and i hope you recovered from that ❤️
Also ignore that comment it's just a bot
“ow” and “stop, that hurts” is the same as saying no.
no means no, wilbur.
is it that difficult to understand?
that's like speaking ancient greek to a minecraft youtuber
It's literally not
@@mane53017it is? u abuser
who tf are you taking to 🪑
@@mane53017 "stop" is not the same as saying no? use your brain
This is the first time i've ever heard about someone elses experience with this and can fully relate to the confusion & self- gaslighting. In my very first relationship ( i was 13 , she was 16 - may seem strange, but wasn't uncommon for people around me at the time) my girlfriend at the time (lesbo relationship) used to bite me every time i came over, to the point that i was covered in bruises and would sometimes bleed. She used to call them markings and told me it's a sign of her love and sign of me belonging to her. I did find it quite weird and brutal at the time, because i didn't understand the sentiment and it was really painful and embarrassing walking around with bite marks and bruises on my face and all over my body (even my nose and cheeks), but i was extremely anxious and naive at the time and carried all this shame with me anyways for being into girls and yadda yadda, also she had a very dominant, controlling and slightly manipulative personality, which i just didn't have the skill to go up against, so i kind of just let it happen cause i didn't know how to deal with it. My Mom eventually really freaked out and asked me what the fuck was going on until i eventually spillt the beans while balling my eyes out in shame. She was livid and was threatening to sue the girl if she didn't stop. I don't remember how it resolved itself (my mom didn't sue), but i remember we were still together for about 8 months after that until she cheated on me 4 times with a friend (once at a party that i was attending myself) ...😂 Looking back, not the greatest experience for my young fragile self. But then again there's further reason as to how i was able to end up in such a relationship at that age in the first place and i'm sure the girl was carrying her own luggage aswell.
Anyways, crazy story thinking back..
If you didn’t need another way to confirm it was in fact Willburt, Shubble also mentioned that he was also a UA-camr, but proceeded to say that he was more of a musician now
If I remember correctly, she said she deleted the stream because she didn't want to be known just for what she talked about
I didn't put it in here before but I full support Shelby and she deserves all the love and support
And now she will forever be known as "Wilburs ex that accused him" genius.
Who cares what she's known for?
She has all the right to expose such a dirtbag.
And also, if she's known for that then that's great cause that would mean she had reached a massive audience 👏🏻
@@alrightloves Honestly though, she deserve all the love and support she's getting
@@expresso_isless_depresso6914 Totally!
Some people might think that opening up about the abuse you endured, of what you thought was a loved one, is sooo easy.
It's not and it's really hard to come to terms with.
And she especially looked like she had a hard time acknowledging that it isn't normal.
People gotta stop defending this type of behaviour and start calling it by its name: Abuse!
Its funny people are still calling it “allegations” when he blatantly admitted to it and barely could even muster up a half baked empty apology
Like people keep acting like this is just another UA-cam drama but its not its an actual serious situation that’s affected multiple people the fact people are still down playing it is just ignoring real peoples suffering to this asshole
Its also annoying how people keep making this about wilber and not the victims
No one cares about wilber we should try more supporting the victims rather than cancelling wilber we should just ignore his existence all together tbh
Support to Shelby and everyone else who came out about the situation
I seen somewhere that most people talking about it are calling it "allegations" so they can't be sued. Because if it's "allegations" they can't get sued for defamation or something. So while it's truth, people are trying to save their ends so they can keep spreading awareness and sharing new developments
They’re just calling it “allegations” because of the legal reasons. Cause if they say it did happen they can get sued for defamation
@@bumblebeeproductions1673 that’s understandable tbh just felt like people were framing it as just allegations and not an actual thing that happened especially when alot of thumbnails and titles will use quotes (“allegations”) instead of just saying it but i get how it is with the legality of just straight up saying he did it since anyone talking about it obviously wouldn’t wanna get involved with legal stuff
@@anathema4434 ye i get that obviously it would be bad if wilber just started sueing everyone who called him out to silence the situation
Wait he admitted to it? Wtf. Gross as hell. So he really did it? Why is it always the Minecraft UA-camrs.
Good to see that these things are coming out in the open more often and people have seemed to largely have stopped making excuses for famous people
Biting wth. Always knew these Minecraft UA-camrs were all fuckin weird
Biting, obsessed with bugs AND bad hygiene. Dude's a whole package 💀
as a young woman, i cannot tell you how many friends of mine (and not even all other women) echo shelby’s sentiment in an abusive relationship of constantly second guessing and asking yourself “ok but is this bad enough to be *abuse?”* if you suspect you could possibly be being abused, that’s your first red flag. all my love and support to shelby, even as a past fan of wilbur’s. like, i was a frequent viewer of his back in the soothouse era and i never ever would’ve said anything but positive things about him before this. there’s simply no defending him especially after such a crazy deflective apology.
As a woman who was also in an abusive relationship it took my therapist telling me like 3 times that what I experienced was abuse, for me to realize that it was in fact abuse. I defended that man constantly. It’s been 2 years since I left that relationship and I still have trauma from it. I don’t wish that on anyone even my abuser that’s how bad abuse is. I hope Shelby and other victims are able to heal and have a happy and healthy life.
@@lex.is.ordinaryJust do what you women tell men to do when theyre in an abusive relationship. Move on, Its in the past. 'Man up'. How bout you actually do that? Do what every abused and ruined man is forced to do by women like you and just nut up and move on. Its only traumatizing if you let it be.
This entire situation between wilbur and his ex is none of our business, She brought it to the public when it was none of the publics business, Just like your abuse is no one elses business but yours, your therapist and a courtroom.
Again, dont bitch bout your trauma, Get over it and move on.
@@blchfnby I second the notion. report his ass to the authorities first of all, and after that you're free to do whatever you want. but moving on from it and let the bitter past stay in the past is the best option.
@@blchfnby"you women" I'm pretty sure 99.99% of the women in these comments would definitely NOT tell a male victim to "man up" because we know what it's like to feel like your trauma doesn't matter. You're making baseless accusations about these women and their stance on male domestic abuse. I dunno who made you feel like all women treat men this way, but I for one support male abuse victims. Any women that are shallow enough to tell someone to "man up" have definitely never had to go through the horrors those men have. And I'll tell ya right now, those women you're talking about are not in these comments. You're arguing with a brick wall right now.
Also are you really out here complaining about women telling men to man up and not talk about their trauma, then complaining about abuse victims talking about their trauma?
Was that supposed to be satirical?
People that are brave enough to share their experiences are crucial in changing the way we view domestic violence. To show the world that this is really happening, people are living through nightmarish situations one would never even think about, it's having debilitating long-lasting affects on our lives, and something needs to be done about it. Hearing stories similar to your own is like opening your eyes for the first time and realising you are not alone. Knowing of people that have been in the same scenarios as you, have had those same self-blaming thoughts, denying that what's happening to them is even considered abuse, it helps. Shelby's story has made me feel less alone in what I've been through, allowed me to recognise the pattern of abuse I experienced, and has made me more confident in sharing my story so women like me in my local area can feel less alone. Sorry if this makes you throw a tantrum because god dammit I'm talking about my trauma and NOTHING boils the blood more than a victim speaking up about their trauma. But hello, we exist, sorry if that makes you uncomfortable, but don't be pissed off at us for talking about it, be pissed of at the psychopaths who made this happen in the first place.
Also, pro tip: If you don't wanna hear about abuse stories then I'd recommend not scrolling through the comments of a video about a domestic abuse situation and reading through the replies of said abuse story comments.
@@blchfnbyMoving on doesn’t necessarily make the trauma go away. It can still affect you as a person, just in ways you won’t consciously realize, like getting scared by certain noises or having issues trusting your partner to keep you safe. Therapy, love and support are what can heal those wounds, but even that takes time and might still not fully heal people.
While I understand what you mean about keeping private affairs away from the public eye, I think abuse is an entirely different issue that needs public awareness. Abuse works off manipulating the victim, taking control away from them and putting the abuser in a position of power. It can get to the point where the victim doesn’t even realize they’re being abused, as was shown in this situation, or is too scared to get help. Speaking out with evidence backing up your allegations is a powerful way to help people who don’t realize they’re being abused have a revelation about their life, and encourages them to speak up and get help. It also acts as a way to stop the abuser from harming more people, as people get the warning to be careful interacting with them, watch for the telltale signs of manipulation.
Wilbur is a famous UA-camr. That fame gives him the power to influence people who are fans of him, influence the people who collab with him because they make good content together. That position of influence is exactly what an abuser wants, because it gives them the ability to attract and then manipulate those who may not be experienced enough to see the red flags, for their vision is clouded by their idolization of the abuser. Even if one victim is able to escape, there’s a chance with that large audience that the abuser can find another: it happened in this situation already, with multiple women stepping forward with their abuse experiences once they realize they weren’t alone in their suffering. Making this public helped a lot of people realize they need to be careful around Wilbur, and probably stopped many future possible victims.
Maybe male victims of abuse should speak out more too. Male victims of abuse are often used as a joke, but it really shouldn’t be, as these victims undergo the same traumas as women victims do. Abuse victims should speak out in solidarity together, to warn people of the signs of abuse and who these abusers are, regardless of their gender.
Of course, I emphasize the need to have evidence before we pass judgement: we don’t want to ruin someone’s life over a false allegation, because that would hurt the credibility of all abuse victims and the innocent person caught up in the issue. Though few in number, there are unfortunately some people who would use the alleging of abuse for their own gain, rather than to help others not suffer the same fate.
However, that does not mean treating all abuse victims as liars until proven innocent. Sometimes evidence is hard to get, or can’t be distributed because of legal reasons. The important thing is just to be empathetic and respectful, put your trust in people but not blindly, and be willing to hear the other side out.
I'm absolutely devastated for Shubble. I can't imagine the hell she's been through. I've been in a situation where I've had to use a safeword. I can't imagine how absolutely terrifying and damaging it'd be not to have it respected and adhered to. And I also feel really sorry for Tommy. He looked up to Wilbur so much. Poor kid.
Yeah this is a terrible situation. Plus there was other people who came out with allegations of him hurting them to the same extent. Plus there were a couple of people talking about how during vids Wilbur has bit the cameraman and tommy.
@@yourlocalstraycat1835 WHAT?! Okay, I am thinking more and more that he has a biting compulsion. Something he'd need to work out in therapy. Biting you s/o is one thing. But biting, like, everyone?? Yeah, this has to be a compulsion or something.
A safeword should only be necessary when people are roleplaying or doing CNC, so that they can say "No!" or "Stop!" and not really mean it, and the safeword is the word that really means "No" and "Stop." If a person is feeling that they have to use a safeword in situations that aren't like that, because their partner is ignoring them when they say "No" or "Stop," things are already seriously wrong and a safeword isn't going to do anything to fix it. It sounds like Shubble's "No" was being ignored, which makes it toxic if Wilbur pretended he's respect a safeword when he didn't respect her telling him to stop.
agree but also stop infatalising tommy. he's a grown ass adult.
@@yourlocalstraycat1835and stomped on Tommy’s hand, complained about getting a duvet for Tommy (who was FREEZING when at Wilbur’s house so he couldn’t sleep), Tommy has said things like “I’ll shut up only when Wilbur tells me to” or “I’ll do what Wilbur says” and when Wilbur tells him to shut up he immediately quiets down. It’s weird
this is so sad I used to live his videos back in likecovid era sad to see ppl who you through were good turn out the opposite
I did not expect this
I remember when I used to watch Tommyinit there was a video he did where he supposedly snuck into Wilbur’s office and started streaming, and it also showed how when Wilbur found out and confronted Tommy he seemed highly aggressive and genuinely angry.
As someone who’s delt with abuse that energy/vibe that was give off during that part felt a lot like the energy I experienced when being hurt.
Yeah I forgot about that. now with allegations out, we see a lot of Wilbur's past actions as signs.
Yeah having boundaries isn’t abuse or a sign of abuse. Biting is.
To be fair, no one would be happy about someone sneaking into their private space.
@@bananatief oh yeah I totally understand that and anyone has the right to be upset. It was the vibes of how he handled it made me feel icky
@@ConnorSemp very true
Yep. That's it. I can never trust a single content creator anymore, due to the fear that they might be some sort of creep or even abusive.
Edit: *_Calm down, y'all._*
1. It seems there was a great misinterpretation of my message when I used the word "trust". At no point did I ever imply that I had some sort of parasocial relationship with anyone. If anything, I absolutely hate parasocial relationships and am disgusted by such.
2. Whatever it is you're going to respond with, I am already aware of such. This isn't something new to me. Every celebrity, idol or whatever fancy name you can think of could always be a completely different person behind the curtains, or screen in this case. I've seen and witnessed it all.
3. I understand that there are still good people on this world, but over the past two decades, I've seen many supposedly-good people turn out to be horrible in the end, and I'm just getting tired of it at this point. So I can't trust anyone on their words anymore, and neither should you. (I can't think of a better term than "trust", just bear with me here)
4. I haven't religiously watched Wilbur Soot like most other people here, so of course I didn't see all of these red flags. So this was more of a surprise to me. Still though, easy on the keyboard please, this isn't Reddit.
never trust a influencer 😭
yeah, i really trusted wilbur- i think the best choice for me is to just avoid content affiliated with actual people, because it's awful when someone you've looked up with since you were 10 turns out like this (not to ignore that the focus is Shubble, just wanted to add my thoughts about this)
Yes, congratulations, you've learned, I hope at a good young age, that you don't actually know celebrities or 'creators', they're just entertainers. Just enjoy their shit and stop acting like they're your friend / a source of anything but entertainment.
@@tylociraptor8131 Why would I consider any strangers on the Internet as a friend? I absolutely hate parasocial relationships.
No no no no hear me out now, Markiplier..... that's all
I have watched Shelby for years and she has always had a positive vibe and I love that about her content. I found Wilbur and enjoyed his content and was surprised that he would do such a thing. I will always stand by Shelby. I have no hate to Wilbur, just dissapointment at the fact he thought what he was doing was ok, especially when Shelby clearly told him it hurt and showed she didn't like being bitten. Having a safe word for something like that is ridiculous, if someone shows discomfort with your actions then you stop doing those actions. There should not be any compromise or in-between in a situation like this. How he handled that situation seems very controlling, it seems like he knew what he was doing and refused to change his behaviour. Absolutely disgusting. I really hope Shelby has found away through what she had experienced and I am so glad she has so many people that love her and immediately jumped in to back her up. We love Shelby!
f**k sh**by i can’t even say that monsters name! She told me to kms and she abused WILBUR
I keep seeing people like “she has no proof and Wilbur has bruises” to think that they are defending a person that admitted to abuse is disgusting. Supporting an abuser is wrong. Shelby Is obviously struggling when saying this, she started crying in a part of the stream. She is not the person to abuse anyone, Wilbur does not deserve death threats. But when someone admits to abuse then you don’t defend them-
Hey - thanks for being super civil and respectful, not making this about clout or profit. Saying that you're willing to remove this video if you're reached out to and donating some of the proceeds shows a lot of kindness that's not often seen on social media.
He literally said in his apology:"I hope that people forgive me that I can continue making money"
That’s crazy
Mf bouta work at McDonalds 💀
Average twitter user spreading misinformation.
@@paperclip6377nah cuz did he really said that
@@Aldi__130yea he did
What happened to the youtubers I watched in quarantine 😭😭
10:22 I know this is a serious subject, but bro, the transition here was SMOOTH
Biting during sex only? Or just for no reason? I have a kink for biting an my ex and I would bite during sex or roll playing. But we both knew what we wanted. Saying he gave her a safe word doesn’t really cover it. As you should establish what you both want prior. Giving her a safe word didn’t ask her if she wanted to participate in biting in the first place?? That’s just going ahead with what you want and pretending you give a shit by giving a safe word. A safe word don’t mean shit if you don’t want to do it in the first place or you get made fun of for using said safe word!!
So either way it’s out of order. A lot of younger girls feel pressure when it comes to sex, so won’t speak up. Same for young girls and abuse from partners. Well for any age but when your younger it’s harder!
Shelby is asexual, so who’s to say really. It could have been during sex, but I think it may have also been in general. There are many clips of Wilbur biting people he isn’t in a relationship with (Niki, Tommy, the camera even…) I think it’s safe to say that he was doing it in general and not (just?) during sex
@@k3stre1still, if Shelby’s asexual that just makes Wilbur’s stuff worse
@@bumblebeeproductions1673 my heart goes out to her. I’m asexual too and I would be horrified by all of this if I was in her position. She’s amazing and I’m glad she’s doing better now
@@k3stre1wait if she is Ace why did she have sex with him?
@@ConnorSempit could be a situation were he asked (or just went for it) and she felt uncomfortable with telling him to stop
He also caused A lot of harm to his other friends like Tommy and Billzo so this kinda sucks… man I hate watching people I looked up to fall like this :/
It's a terrible situation.
Very confused on how he hurt Tommy and Bilzo?
@@user-ly8kf1cr7s I've seen comments saying he used to bite Tommy, and honestly the fact that he was friend with someone much younger is a big red flag
@@Leaffyleaff By how much younger? if it was like 15 18 that's slightly odd but nothing major, its just a friendship between dudes, but the further it goes the more suspect it is.
@@anusaukko6792it’s an 8 year age gap and he met Tommy when Tommy was around 15/16
Please do also make a video on George not found about Citibugz allegations
remember when the biggest controversy from a youtuber was them swearing
Bro Wilbur seemed like the type of guy who would NEVER have any drama, but it seems like there was a lot that we didn’t hear about - quite typical for online spaces.
So true
This is one of my rules I made for myself to the internet
NEVER look up to anyone too much, you don't know the true person behind the mask
He’s manipulative, that’s how he fooled everyone. Manipulators know how to make themselves seem innocent and sympathetic when they aren’t. Usually ones who’ve been doing it for a _very_ long time (like Wilbur).
we all knew he was a damn good actor
Idk he always felt weird to me I never watched his videos but from Tommy's channel the Anthony Padilla video I just didn't find him normal
Another thing that I somehow have never seen discussed, is that Shelby states that her ex had grown to resent her, and she stated that he continued to do things for and with her for fame and money, and as far as I know, not many people Shelby has dated are famous. I personally think that's a big detail.
@@TheSparkOfCorn i mean tbf, financial abuse doesnt have to be caused by like... not having a decent amount of money. it very well could be used as a control tactic, its hard to leave an abusive situation if youre broke as hell
@@TheSparkOfCorn i mean how can we tell how easily she was able to leave? at least in the financial sense, did i forget part of her statement where she specifically talked about that?? like it isnt impossible to leave in situations of financial abuse, just quite a bit harder. i just dont remember if we have any way of knowing her leaving wasnt a burden on her financial situation