They did the “one time courtesy” replacement for gunthot’s when their bcm barrel was jacked up too. If a company sends you a busted product it shouldn’t be a courtesy to replace it. They should just replace it to keep a good reputation.
That's very confusing. It seems like giving pushback would do way more damage than the amount a company would have to spend to replace a part or gun. But I don't know the story about what you speak of.
I agree. I bought a new Sig p365 and it had a dead front night sight I discovered qualifying at night one month after purchase. I called Sig and they were turds. I asked to borrow a slide until they could get mine and repair. They quoted 4-6 months turn around. This was being used as a backup off duty. They said no. I even told them to let me pay for a slide then they reimburse me when I return it. They said they were doing me a favor giving me a front sight. B*tch I paid for a working sight. I am selling off my sigs. No more crap from a company with no QC.
I recently purchased a complete BCM 11.5 BFH upper. Long story short, I determined the gas port was out of spec on the barrel and was extremely over gassed (non suppressed). I tried everything to remedy the issue including H3 buffers and a variety of buffer springs. I ended up getting ahold of BCM and they advised me to send the upper in for inspection. After about a month, they emailed me stating that they have not had time to inspect it yet. Instead of inspecting the barrel, they replaced it with a brand new 11.5 barrel and test fired it for function. They sent it back and I’ve had no issues since. In MY experience, BCM was good to go with customer service and I’ve owned several BCM uppers with no problems outside of normal wear and tear that comes with a harsh firing schedules.
Glad I saw this. Stuck between two rifles right now for my second AR. Daniel Defense DDm4V7 or BCM Recce 16. DD is more expensive but you get what you pay for and they stand by their products.
Bro, I wish I’d have seen this video before I made my purchase. Currently my purchase is enroute back to them,hopefully it works out but I’m starting to really regret not going DD
@@AnthonyD1986 my AR is mid length, I purchased a mid length upper from them, I literally compared the specs from my AR to their ARs to make sure there were no compatibility issues. They all matched (same buffer weight, same buffer spring, auto BCG), absolutely zero reason to have issues. Heck, I often swap out my buddies upper to my lower, zero issues. I take the BCM out and immediately have signs of it being under gassed. The upper was chewing M-193 rounds, I switched to M-855 I was having failures to feed and lock on last round. Like the presenter said, for a company that prides itself on craftsmanship and their rifles being a tool, they really suck at QC. I’m realizing they are spending all their money on marketing. With DD yea you pay a little for the brand but at least you get a good product, with BCM, from what I saw, it’s nothing special. I could have gotten an IWI Zion and it would have been cheaper and same quality.
@@Reticulosis wow crazy sorry to hear that. I’m looking at an LWRC IC DI for $1500, same price as the BCM Recce 16. IWI Zion is apparently a very solid rifle too. With the times right now it’s expensive so I’m going to have to wait but for $2000 I think the best bet is the Geissele Super Duty.
@@AnthonyD1986 all solid options (minus the BCM of course) the reason I mentioned IWI is because they are trying to break into the AR market so they are offering great quality at a very low price, literally what I saw on the BCM, IWI had, but cheaper. Best of luck.
Wow! Up to this point I am what I’d consider a loyal BCM customer. I’ve purchased 2 hammer forged complete uppers from BCM directly. I wanted something that would last and have great QC. This video as well as Gun Thots vid have changed my mind moving forward. I will entertain the idea of using DD for future projects. Thank you for taking the time to inform the rest of us.
You're going to disregard your own experiences because someone who you have never met had issues? BCM took care of this guy quite frankly. He's just upset that they called him out. He destroyed two barrels that were both manufactured using different methods and did so very quickly. To me that just screams "I abused this product and I don't want anyone to know"...
@@beardly0121 Yeah, gunthots and this guy both co-conspired to make BCM look bad. They infiltrated BCM headquarters and hacked a computer terminal, pretended to be a worker there, and the emailed themselves the quote of a few shots per minute being the correct way of shooting the barrels, anything more and it's the consumer's fault the barrels break apart LOL 😂😅😂😅😂
I've been running BCM for years, never an issue with them (also run LWRC M6 DI and LMT as well), one with over 30,000 rounds original. One thing to point out is that it is a MUST to check the bore/brake/suppressor alignment before firing the first round and periodically check that alignment with the proper alignment tool. Also, too many make the FUDD mistake of not understanding that firing sustained bursts with a suppressed AR DI platform is going to produce major heat buildup that will move backwards into the barrel, gas tube-BCG, and receiver. This can and will cause serious barrel and gas tube erosion and do so in a low round count even with the highest grade barrels and it matters not that the barrel and suppressor are full auto rated, those are two separate things. And yes, barrel cracks can occur and worse, the receivers can be warped by the excessive heat. Full Auto Suppressed in an AR platform is best left to piston uppers BUT even then, there are still limitations.
I am reading your post a year later and still today I believe the issues experienced are related to rate of fire in a suppressed state. The amount of heat within just a 250 rounds causes "Less Expensive" barrels to fail. So BCM running 6k rounds seems pretty well worth the $1500 price point in my opinion. The heat caused be suppression is one reason I do not run suppressed.
More and more of these experiences with BCM uppers coming out. Kind of glad I went a different route, especially for uppers that are supposed to be gtg for hard use. Thanks for sharing your experience.
I've been seeing QC issues up to around 2022 so I'd say it's still a possibility. Really is a bummer. Been wanting one for years and was just about to get one until I started seeing all of this.
I can speak to the amazing customer service of Daniel Defense. I went and bought a DDM4V7 from a LGS and when I get it home I find a massive problem inside the rifle that only became obvious after dry firing about 75 times. I contacted Daniel Defense who said to send it in, the problem was the only reason I purchased this rifle was my family and I had a class we all planned to take together and I was lending my rifles out to my family but needed one more for my brother so I purchased the Daniel Defense. Upon explaining this to Daniel Defense they called the LGS I had purchased from and arranged for me to bring back the DDM4V7 and swap it out. The LGS only had a mk12 or M4A1 left as far as Daniel Defense rifles, so I got the M4A1 paid the very minor difference in price and walked out w a perfectly working DDM4A1. I’ve never heard of or seen another company do something like that in my life so in my opinion and experience Daniel Defense has the best customer service.
I bought my first AR a 4 or 5 years back and chose Daniel Defense and I have kind of regretted not choosing BCM ever since but now I’m glad I went with DD lol
Very well documented. Thanks for being another person to share their experiences with bcm. I have their mk2 upper with the BFH barrel and haven't had any issues yet but I haven't shot as much as you nor do I run it suppressed. I have a 10.5 in fsb upper from aero with the ballistic advantage barrel and am getting sub moa with wolf gold and green tip. Pretty amazing.
I currently own a DD 10.3 barrel in one of my AR pistols. it only has about 2k rounds. But was thinking of putting another upper together with a BCM upper but hearing this and Gunthots experience. I was like nah... decided to go with SOLGW as they seem to stand behind their products when it comes to warranty, QC, and longevity.
On a side note, I've seen multiple match ballistic advantage barrels fail to hold 1 moa with various match ammo and consistency shoot 3 moa + with quality ball ammo. I also had a hansen barrel from them that started to keyhole at 4k rounds. They did a one time replacement but blamed the problem on excessive wear and harsh use. I had a similar fire schedule as expressed in this video. Criterion and DD seem like better options. My experience with Criterion barrels performance has been excellent.
I think a lot of other people like BCM and its their go to brand, but I think every company does good at something. Like you said Daniel Defense and Ballistic Advantage make good barrels.
Ive personally seen a lot of issues with DD rifles which is unacceptable with their premium pricepoints imo. I love BA barrels and have never had issues with them however, their MOA guarantees should be industry standard imo they stand behind their products for sure.
"Somhow i always end up interacting with customer service" as someone who services vehicles that statement is concerning. I see this from time to time with some people. if you experience this at your service centers, i.e., auto, grocery, and convenience store, it might be you.
I’m redoing my BCM upper to 11.5” and went with a DD barrel. After much research, I concluded that DD CHF barrels are some of the best. Everything else on the rifle remains BCM. Thank you for sharing your experience- I will keep this in mind when doing future builds.
I feel you on the QC/CS issues with BCM. Years ago, I purchased one of their full rifles. After just a few magazines I could tell something was off. The trigger and hammer holes were completely canted on the lower, and the upper was also canted. I confirmed this by trying different triggers, different lowers with the upper, and different uppers with the lower. I sent them pictures of extremely uneven hammer and bcg wear, and they told me to let them know when it breaks. I sold it the same day. Never purchased another BCM product.
@@pcpolice7937 Well, if he mentioned it to the person and sold it for a lot less and the buyer decided to buy it with the knowledge of it's problems, that isn't incorrect at all. You're assuming, which is also not the behavior of an upstanding individual.
I'm late to the "wtf is BCM doing?" party but the Army publication BCM is quoting is TC 3-22.9 and the paragraph says that the slow fire is for the qualification range. The very next paragraph covers rate of fire in an actual fight: "RAPID SEMIAUTOMATIC FIRE 8-19. Rapid semiautomatic fire is approximately 45 rounds per minute and is typically used for multiple targets or combat scenarios where the Soldier does not have overmatch of the threat. Soldiers should be well-trained in all aspects of slow semiautomatic firing before attempting any rapid semiautomatic fire training." This matches pretty well with shooting controlled pairs at a pretty rapid cadence. BCM isn't saying "Hey, heat can damage components if you abuse things," and "Let your rifle cool between cycles of fire." They specify in the emails that their barrels will fall apart fired above 12-15 rounds period. Full stop. Do not pass 15 RPM. Pretty pathetic that a company making "professional equipment" can't keep up with basic professional requirements.
But the thing is it says indefinitely it doesn’t say you can’t fire above 15 that’s an indefinite number so if you use it for 30 minutes at a higher rate of fire it’s not gonna hurt it this is what people are missing here. I’m not showing for BCM from what I can tell her quality control may have fallen off but everybody’s getting hung up on the wrong details
Basically all they’re doing is covering their ass from some dumby who goes to his farm somewhere and dumped 40 magazines out of it back to back and then says my rifles junk that’s all it is a way for them to combat that situation.
Little late to the party here. Just got my BCM MK.2 11.5" upper and without shooting even getting the opportunity to shoot it yet, ive noticed some things. First off, i did a test drop on my rifle after it was fully assembled. And the very first drop, from 5' on a carpeted floor, broke the charging handle. I reached out to BCM to see if maybe I could do anything about it with them given their claims on their charging handle. Absolutely no response from them. Additionally, ive noticed that the hand guard came to me bent. Its bent in a way were it is torqued to the left and curved to the left. Now i was really concerned, because this is a machined piece. Why is it bent from the manufacturer? Now, these are not super critical failures, but reliablility and QC issues most definitely. And im certain that the drop that my rifle experinced was not the reason for the bent hand guard, because the hand guard is bent in the direction of the drop, which is an impossibility. I havent reached out about the hand guard yet, but given the lack of a response in regards to the charging handle, i dont think I will even try. Will most likely just go and buy a Daniel defense mk18 and call it good. At least i know for certainty that with DD, i will be getting a great product that stands behind their products.
DD all day, they replace my barrel free for charge (after 7000 rds) and it's been 3 years since and thousands of thousands rounds round count, my DD upper still running strong.
Damn, I have a 11.5” BCM standard and it’s soon going suppressed. I liked the fact that I was supporting a local company here in Wisconsin but might have to stay away from now on.
I ordered a 16" upper that ended up having an over torqued barrel nut and it was a nightmare to deal with. They replied to my first few emails with one word answers. I had severe chunks of metal missing in the feed ramp area due to the bcg closing since it wasnt lined up straight. Instead of sending me a new upper they gave me back the damaged barrel and only retorqued the barrel nut. My bcm bolt was pretty damged as well because of their bad upper but they refused to replace it. They never gave me shipping info and it just randomly showed up one day and they never sent me an email even explaining what they did, i had to reach out to them. They have a horrible elitist attitude. I sold that upper immediately never doing bcm again.
Very well documented video. I was just looking to pick up up their MK2 14.5 CHF upper. I had a complete rifle by them about 6 years ago that worked fine but I never put more than 2000 rounds through before trading it off. I was a little skeptical after seeing the problem GunThots had. Now this has changed their image for me completely. Treating customers like shit and calling them liars is going to be a big no for me.
So glad I saw this. I was all in to buy an 11.5 complete upper from BCM, figured i could save a little cash over going with DD. Have a DDM4 V7 as my main AR and wanted to build a pistol variant. Literally was about to order the upper this weekend. Holding off now and will avoid BCM for this new setup.
That’s so surprising to hear. I’ve always heard BCM was high end. I bought 3 of their uppers about a year ago. A 14.5 and 2. 16s. They’ve been great so far but clearly I haven’t put as many rounds through them as you and don’t use a suppressor.
I sold my enhanced light weight upper when I shot 100 rounds and saw the cracking on the chrome. Went with criterion and Daniel Defense and never looked back. I will never go back with a BCM Barrels again.
A BCM upper i bought last year around August came with a dust cover that doesn't even close. I have to push down the little detent spring and guide it closed, sometimes it takes a few tries for it to catch. Not the biggest deal but I don't understand how that passed their QC, especially considering they test fire their uppers before shipping.
I also have had issues with BCM’s quality on a 16” upper. During inspection I found the locking lugs on the barrel extension were chipped and damaged. After contacting BCM customer service they asked me to send photos which I did I was told to return it to them for warranty. After about 10 days after they received it I sent them an email to inquire about when I could expect to get a different upper. They said they would expedite the order and get it out in 2-3 days. After receiving the upper on inspection I found they repaired the barrel but didn’t install the hand guard end cap (I could have fixed this myself but at this point I was done with BCM). I asked and received a refund on the upper and picked up a couple Rock River barrels good to go now.
I recently got a forward assist assembly from BCM and it came with a 1/8" trigger guard roll pin instead of a 3/32" FA roll pin. Sealed in plastic and everything.
I have 2 so far and there absolutely amazing. I will agree I don't like there costumer service at all they don't back you up or help much I had a dumb situation with a shirt return
Have thousands of rounds through my bcm mk2 love it don’t base it off one bias oppinion he’s a good guy but has very bided opinions and is a perfectionist
@Liberator29 their quality control has gone down. Why tons have of other manufacturers have gained traction. There's a lot of better shit out there. The AR market is too competitive to put up with this crap these days, especially with inflation of firearms prices. Tons similar experiences with other users on other forums. Why I never never spent any money on BCM, and have bought from Daniel Defense, Springfield (I know) and even Diamondback Firearms. Had no issues with any of them, always took care of me.
I bought one of their uppers and it didn't run reliably for me. I sent it back, they said that the cyclic rate is mil spec. They blacklisted me. No replacement, and still waiting for a check. I bought the upper a month ago.
Yea I’ve recently got a Bcm “14.5 pinned and welded SF Muzzle break and a “16 Bcm BFH ELW. Both had barrel issues where the steel was cracking and coming out.
Wow I really feel for you , i would have not appreciated their customer service at all either . There is no excuse for their response whatsoever and hopefully they will learn for everyone's sake who has purchased their products .
Yet, we are the ones you turn to when shit hits the fan. Got to love you, keyboard warriors...But you probably think you can "respawn" from a gunshot..smh So I can understand why you would make such a comment..lol
@@BROOKLYNPOETZ usmc isn't needed at all, everything you do the other branches do better. Usmc should be disbanded and folded into the other actually useful branches
@@daviddavidson9923 😂😂😂 Please provide me examples of how the rest “Do better”. I’ll wait. Before I continue to engage with you, please tell me you have at least served? Please tell me you have at a minimum one deployment under your belt? Please provide rank and mos also. Because which such intelligence, you must clearly have hands on experience. If not, your comments are a non factor.
@@daviddavidson9923 seals/delta are elite special force units not conventional infantry units. your comparison is erroneous and asinine. I'm not a marine. I'm not even a vet. But you...you need some serious realignment.
I had a new barrel hammer forge barrel from BCM that had a horrible bore and chamber. I always bore scope my new barrels for just this type of problem.BCM did replace that barrel pronto without any problem. One of my most accurate barrels is a BCM and has a lot of rounds through it as it is one of my competition guns and it still runs great. That said, I have switched to DD barrels as they have the best chambers and bores I have seen compared to FN and BCM hammer forged barrels..
I have a BCM BHF upper from like 2009 and where the dimpled the barrel for the gas block rusted straight through. This was my late veteran husband's favorite rifle that was going to be passed down to his son. BCM would not help with the issue and when sent back I never recieved it. I expected much more from BCM.
I have three AR's with Criterion barrels 5.56. One is a 20" heavy barrel and the other two are Hybrids at 16" and 18". Wylde chambered and chrome lined. They all shoot under MOA. How long will they hold up I cannot address as they are low round count rifles. I do have a Teslong bore scope so it will be easy to keep an eye on things. My son has a BCM 11.5" upper that is seriously over gassed. Chucks brass at about 1 o'clock and that upper of his is just getting hammered. Suggested that he go straight to an H-3 buffer and he may also need to install an adjustable gas block because it's that bad!
I have the same issue I run bcm 11.5 in elw with a vltor a5 and a5h2 and it throws brass about 2o’clock just ordered the h4 gonna hopefully try that to see if it works or not oh and I run a DA sandman s but shit bout to swap barrels after hearing about this though makes me nervous 😟
@@MrBuzzkill-ut2bv Sounds like my son's BCM is not the only one that's over gassed. I think a lot of manufacturers do this for reliable functioning but over time can it takes its toll.
It’s sucks to doubt your rifle even if it happens to run normal during your use. Just the thought that “by chance” my rifle is functioning or to constantly wonder if the long intervals between each shot is long enough to avoid going over the ridiculous 12-15 rpm would create a next level kind of worry. I do own a bcm lower which I purchased a while back in Ca during a panic period which I tried to complete a couple of years back by ordering one of their mcmr uppers and for a silly shipping address change I experienced poor customer service and immediately felt that this BCM is not a company I want go deal with. The interaction I had with their CS rep during the purchasing process as well as after the shipping issue sounded similar to the responses you received although my issues were insignificant compared to yours, but just goes to tell that my instincts were right and I’m glad I stayed away from them. Their email responses were very generic and vague. I think a few big UA-cam names have inflated BCM’s name so much that the reality and the actual is not aligned. Thanks for sharing.
Customer service has no connection to the manufacturer of the products, the CS team is simply there to make problems go away. It is up to upper management to see that quality control and customer service work together to solve problems. Which sadly, is more work than a lot of companies are willing to do.
Sorry that happened man that would be so aggravating especially for a person that's vouches for all there stuff. Hopefully you got it figured out and no more issues
I had a very poor experience with them. Was having some insane gassing issues. Originally had an MCMR 11.5” ELW carbine-length gas system. The lower I was using had been tuned to get about 3:30 ejection pattern. Decided I would like a 14.5” version of the same upper, but with a midlength gas system. Put that new upper on that same lower and started getting 1:30 ejections. Practically straight forward. Waaaaay over gassed. It was inconsistent and mostly severely over gassed. Now, I’m no noob. I do troubleshooting for a lot of people and diagnose what’s going on with their weapon systems. I do my due diligence because I can’t stand when a company tries to say “user error.” This means lots of different testing ammo, different buffer weights. So, I video record exactly what was happening at the range. Say that I installed an extra tungsten weight and it had no effect whatsoever on the ejection pattern. They told me to send it in. After a couple weeks they send it back saying that they didn’t encounter any issues. And that I shouldn’t be using a JP SCS buffer system. Only mil-spec. 🤷♂️ 🤣 so basically, that their guns won’t work with aftermarket parts. When I get the upper back, I had ZERO gassing issues and had a consistent ejection pattern… with the same ammo, and the same lower… 🤔 only to see that the barrel and gas block/tube had been replaced! 🤣 So they didn’t encounter issues, but replaced parts. Gee, I think that makes a whole lot of sense. BCM is unwilling to back their products or admit that something may be wrong with them. Recalls happen all the time. At least your customers see that you want to make sure they only have high quality products. But, instead, you treat customers like shit and like they’re idiots, and you LIE to them. Great way to do business.
Wow, I had the same straight forward ejection with a 14.5 ELW while suppressed all the way to an H3 buffer. I had to put a SA gas block on it to tame the ejection.
I'm glad I ran into your videos. I've in the research process of building a couple ARs and you have handed me a bunch of info. Greatly appreciated! I wish you had posted the status of the new barrel you ended up with, provided it was subjected to the same use as the BCM barrel(s). Thanks!
I got my first complete BCM MK2 last year because I heard their quality was awesome. But when I got it. The upper and lower was wobbly big time. I was disappointed as I paid $1,800 for it. I expected it would be matched but I was wrong. I believe this might be my first and last BCM.
Same here!!! My upper and lower are extremely loose!!! I have 3 other BCM builds, all 4 of them are stock BCM. The 16 inch build I just finished is the only one that wobbles, I contacted them today via email. I’ll see what they say because BCMs should not be loose.
Be glad they bought it back from you. I have shot three different BCMs and none of them were better than 2-4 moa with match ammo. I have sent two ballistic advantage barrels that were crap and had to get refunds. Criterion has been good. The owner of BCM Paul Buffoni had a Outlaw MC tattoo on his arm. This can be seen in the Pat Rogers tribute video on UA-cam. One would assume this means he’s a part of an criminal organization. No wonder you got the response you did.
Glad I decided to get my Daniel Defense MK18 last week BCM was one of my choices but I’ve wanted the MK18 for years and finally got it. I know it’s sucks to get that kind of crappy service especially as long as you did your more patient then I am.
Tac Daddy youre right on. "IM SO GLAD I bought MY blah blah.." Just finding echochambers to pat themselves on the back while wanting others to do it for them.
@@hodlwise2470 yes thats why i stay completely out of insta-ghoul and the tools showing off their tools for affirmation and confirmation by tools. Most the guns are spotless and look hardly used at all, yet they are their "go to" or "gtw" options. Right.
I'm a big fan of Radical Firearms. Their LE rifle is in the same price range as BCM. I've never had a problem with them and they have a fantastic warranty if you do.
The only thing to do is buy a bore scope , take pictures of you bore at 200,500 ,1000 ect.ect. No matter who makes it. When shit goes bad you can document it. Even good barrel mgfs machine bad metal sometimes because of quality control. When you get to 1000 rounds on a chrome lined barrel you will start to see fire cracking on the lands near the throat. This is normal. Shedding chrome off the lands or between the lands is not normal. I just returned 2 FN CHF barrels to Brownells for store credit for chrome shedding at 200,and 500 rounds .
You seem very intellectual with your stance and understanding on firearms. I have never owned a bcm but from looking into them I immediately seen this video as a turn against bcm, however your understanding an seeing how you approached and showed your point I am on your side, I'll still buy a bcm however maybe I'll choose a different barrell. Thank you for your video
Even though my DD lower had some stacked tolerances, i'm glad i bought it because that thing has ran 100% for 6k rounds and still shoots 1 MOA. Can't say the same for their customer service being an European though, they never even answered my emails. Thankfully the aftermarket seller i bought the rifle from had their gunsmith modify the bolt catch free of charge, so that it wouldn't get stuck under followers and actually lock open on an empty mag. However my brother just recently bought a BCM CQBR 11.5" with the MK2 upper, runs a flow through suppressor on it always and now i'm concerned that his rifle is going to last.
I have this exact 11.5 upper and suppressor and now I’m nervous to shoot suppressed... wish we could get some clarity on which barrels criterion makes for BCM.
Hello. Very informative and excellent video. How much was your upgrade for your BCM 12.5” 300 blackout?? Thank you and thank you for your timely response
Good video. But I have to ask (and maybe I missed it), was the can the issue possibly? Was the can sent to BCM as part of the upper and muzzle device assembly? I’ve heard of this happening, but it can also be a tolerance stack up issue. I’m an automotive engineer, and I see it happen all over the car. So you never learned the root cause? b”Bummer.
@@TheEngineerShooter Thanks for the response as I am pondering them and/or a FN barreled upper. But believe the 11.5 length is the way to go from you and others.
Bro I had a similar issue with a Spike’s barrel about 7-8 years ago. Not only did they sent me a brand new barrel, but they included an entire complete upper receiver along with it for the inconvenience, as a complementary gift! This is definitely disheartening to hear about BCM, as I have been using their stuff almost exclusively since 2011. I will definitely proceed with extreme caution from here on out with them
Was thinking about buying BCM because of the price point compared to Daniel Defense. But couldn't resist getting the MK18. Glad I didn't go with BCM based off your experience.
@@aznexile602 so when I bought mine I had it sent to PSA which is one of their preferred dealers which means you don’t pay shipping or FFL fees. I go pick it up and they still charged me an FFL fee when I told them no I bought it from DD and they were a preferred dealer. So I paid it and called DD and told them what happened they personally called PSA and told them the situation. DD then called me back and told me to go back up to PSA and get my FFL fee refunded. Yes they have great customer service they really stand by their product.
@@justingriffin2288 that's awesome. If you watch DDs UA-cam videos, you'll see that they will pretty much replace or refund products without much question. They've replaced ppls barrels where it was customer error that caused the damage.
Got a DDM4V7 pistol feeling like I over paid and should have went BCM but not after hearing this glad I didn’t about to order another DDM4A1 I knew there was a catch to BCMs being so cheap!
Yup over paid however lifetime warranty and if the barrel had an issue they would replace it unlike BCM in this video making him feel like he misused hit firearm…..I’ll make up the difference on another flip or deal
Wow! I was a BCM purist until this past weekend! I am building a .300 blackout pistol and “was” going to use their 9” upper. While at a local gun shop discussing this and a suppressor set up, this topic came up and now have changed my mind. Looking at a Neveske barrel or a DD. Like BA but want a CHF. Thanks for posting this video. I have a BCM 14.5” upper and like it but will likely stay away from them now. Any suggestions on the pistol build with the barrels I mentioned? Want it as a serious defensive weapon that can withstand thousands of rounds. Thank you!
Thanks for putting out this video. Hopefully by this being out on youtube, BCM saw it and will hopefully change their customer service. But still i am shocked that a barrel looks like that after 1,000 or 2,000 rounds. It looks like you fired a 1,000 round magazine on full auto
Man this sucks! I've spent the last 3 days researching pulling my hair out trying to replace my budget upper I bought a couple years ago. Finally settled on BCM today and got it all figured out, then I ran across this video. Back to square 1 Wish I hadn't seen this and read the comments now. So frustrating...
@@Joe_Friday I just ordered an upper and it shipped yesterday morning. BCM lol.... I did a little more researched and talked to a few people. But I remembered something that I frequently stress over when ordering from Amazon. And that's the reviews. I start to settle on something then I see a horrible review then I keep clicking. It's miserable. I did some more research and decided for one, this upper is way better than I have and two, the thing about this video that stuck out to me was the crying about the lack of a tracking number when sending a refund check. A check can be canceled and reissued no problem. Since this was one of the few negatives I saw, and I didn't 100% trust the claim due to the "I'm never happy" focus, I pulled the trigger. Lower, just an Anderson AM-15. Basic I know, but not really concerned with the lower like I am the upper.
@@scotmaciver I assume you're from Alabama. I'm from the northern part myself. I have a few BCMs myself. I've never shot them suppressed so I have no idea if mine would do the same thing as has. I've heard others complain about BCM over the last few years. I've had mine for a long time so if there's some qc issues that started taking place I'm hoping I got my stuff before they started having any problems.
@@Joe_Friday yeah Mobile, born in Huntsville and spent alot of time up there growing up. I was concerned about new stuff versus older stuff that people say is good. But it dawned on me that I'm getting the 16" carbine, now lightweight or pencil type barrel or anything like that so I figured I'm probably good because I'm probably pulling from the same years of old. I could be way off but the thought makes me feel better. Plus it's way ahead of the POS side charging, knob backing out, crappy ass BCA I got for cheap from a buddy 2 years ago before I really knew much about the AR. I'm not trying to do a clone, but I am staying closer to that style. I was looking at the Midwest that wraps around the FSB $200 seems steep, and I was looking at a Styngr free float but Im kinda tired of all the long rails, mine included, and I really like the classic style I guess it's called. Think i want a drop in quad. But haven't decided yet.
@@scotmaciver I live outside trinity and went to school/worked in Decatur most of my life. My office i work for is based in Huntsville and i lived in Huntsville for around 7 years myself.
Interesting. maybe its criterion. I just completed a build with a criterion barrel because they are suppose to be accurate. The gun shoots horrible. Im in the process of figuring out if it's how i put it together or the barrel. bcm upper also.
Well damn I just bought a upper and it's 2 days away from me, I'm hoping all is well. I'm somewhat new to AR's and I've been using aero despite all the negative things I've seen/heard about them recently.
They replaced a 300 BLK barrel for me that shot 6 MOA. NO hassles with them. My 11.5 BCM has been GTG minus overgassing. I changed out gas tube for a BRT to reduce gas volume as the BCM was over gassed.
I have had several entry level ar’s PSA, M&P, etc I have had issues with all of them from not running steal to failure to eject, failure to load etc. I give up I’m selling them all and buying a BCM or DD possibly FN in the hopes that I’ll get a truly reliable rifle. Which does everybody recommend BCM, DD, ?
So disappointing. I have been buying BCM guns since 2012. I've never personally had an issue. However, I have heard more and more stories of their products having problems and CS being terrible. I would love for them to make a public statement and fix it. However, until that happens I will probably switch to a company like SOLGW who builds guns for people who "shoot the f***" out of their guns.
FYI checks are sent in the mail for way higher than that amount with just a regular stamp via first class mail. A check is made out to you so really not useful to anyone else unless they're committing fraud. Checks are able to be rewritten or place a stop payment order fairly easily.
If you dont trust bcm anymore, then I suggest you change the barrel to either, daniel defense, odin works, or f/n. Odin is focused on accuracy more than a military setting though. The whole reasonI own a bcm cold hammer forged barrel “20” non fluted light weight is because I wanted a bcm with more durability, its very accurate.
They did the “one time courtesy” replacement for gunthot’s when their bcm barrel was jacked up too. If a company sends you a busted product it shouldn’t be a courtesy to replace it. They should just replace it to keep a good reputation.
That's very confusing. It seems like giving pushback would do way more damage than the amount a company would have to spend to replace a part or gun. But I don't know the story about what you speak of.
@@Joe_Friday ua-cam.com/video/96N6Yee8jXc/v-deo.html
I agree. I bought a new Sig p365 and it had a dead front night sight I discovered qualifying at night one month after purchase. I called Sig and they were turds. I asked to borrow a slide until they could get mine and repair. They quoted 4-6 months turn around. This was being used as a backup off duty. They said no. I even told them to let me pay for a slide then they reimburse me when I return it. They said they were doing me a favor giving me a front sight. B*tch I paid for a working sight. I am selling off my sigs. No more crap from a company with no QC.
@@jeremyshackleford3058 You were buying from a lowest common denominator company that is now run by a backdoor dealing Jew.
@paddypibblet846 whoa with the antisemitism
I recently purchased a complete BCM 11.5 BFH upper. Long story short, I determined the gas port was out of spec on the barrel and was extremely over gassed (non suppressed). I tried everything to remedy the issue including H3 buffers and a variety of buffer springs. I ended up getting ahold of BCM and they advised me to send the upper in for inspection. After about a month, they emailed me stating that they have not had time to inspect it yet. Instead of inspecting the barrel, they replaced it with a brand new 11.5 barrel and test fired it for function. They sent it back and I’ve had no issues since. In MY experience, BCM was good to go with customer service and I’ve owned several BCM uppers with no problems outside of normal wear and tear that comes with a harsh firing schedules.
Glad I saw this. Stuck between two rifles right now for my second AR. Daniel Defense DDm4V7 or BCM Recce 16. DD is more expensive but you get what you pay for and they stand by their products.
Bro, I wish I’d have seen this video before I made my purchase. Currently my purchase is enroute back to them,hopefully it works out but I’m starting to really regret not going DD
@@Reticulosis what happened with yours?
@@AnthonyD1986 my AR is mid length, I purchased a mid length upper from them, I literally compared the specs from my AR to their ARs to make sure there were no compatibility issues. They all matched (same buffer weight, same buffer spring, auto BCG), absolutely zero reason to have issues. Heck, I often swap out my buddies upper to my lower, zero issues. I take the BCM out and immediately have signs of it being under gassed. The upper was chewing M-193 rounds, I switched to M-855 I was having failures to feed and lock on last round.
Like the presenter said, for a company that prides itself on craftsmanship and their rifles being a tool, they really suck at QC. I’m realizing they are spending all their money on marketing. With DD yea you pay a little for the brand but at least you get a good product, with BCM, from what I saw, it’s nothing special. I could have gotten an IWI Zion and it would have been cheaper and same quality.
@@Reticulosis wow crazy sorry to hear that. I’m looking at an LWRC IC DI for $1500, same price as the BCM Recce 16. IWI Zion is apparently a very solid rifle too. With the times right now it’s expensive so I’m going to have to wait but for $2000 I think the best bet is the Geissele Super Duty.
@@AnthonyD1986 all solid options (minus the BCM of course) the reason I mentioned IWI is because they are trying to break into the AR market so they are offering great quality at a very low price, literally what I saw on the BCM, IWI had, but cheaper. Best of luck.
Wow! Up to this point I am what I’d consider a loyal BCM customer. I’ve purchased 2 hammer forged complete uppers from BCM directly. I wanted something that would last and have great QC. This video as well as Gun Thots vid have changed my mind moving forward. I will entertain the idea of using DD for future projects. Thank you for taking the time to inform the rest of us.
You're going to disregard your own experiences because someone who you have never met had issues? BCM took care of this guy quite frankly. He's just upset that they called him out. He destroyed two barrels that were both manufactured using different methods and did so very quickly. To me that just screams "I abused this product and I don't want anyone to know"...
@@beardly0121 Yeah, gunthots and this guy both co-conspired to make BCM look bad. They infiltrated BCM headquarters and hacked a computer terminal, pretended to be a worker there, and the emailed themselves the quote of a few shots per minute being the correct way of shooting the barrels, anything more and it's the consumer's fault the barrels break apart LOL 😂😅😂😅😂
Man that sucks. I have a few of their rifles and I haven’t had any issues with them. I will admit that their customer service does suck.
BCM is not a mfg.Do the make anything NO.
Me too,but I changed mind and still weighing which brand because of my budget.
I have a few of their rifles but they were bought quite a few years ago. I wonder if things has changed since then.
I've been running BCM for years, never an issue with them (also run LWRC M6 DI and LMT as well), one with over 30,000 rounds original. One thing to point out is that it is a MUST to check the bore/brake/suppressor alignment before firing the first round and periodically check that alignment with the proper alignment tool. Also, too many make the FUDD mistake of not understanding that firing sustained bursts with a suppressed AR DI platform is going to produce major heat buildup that will move backwards into the barrel, gas tube-BCG, and receiver. This can and will cause serious barrel and gas tube erosion and do so in a low round count even with the highest grade barrels and it matters not that the barrel and suppressor are full auto rated, those are two separate things. And yes, barrel cracks can occur and worse, the receivers can be warped by the excessive heat. Full Auto Suppressed in an AR platform is best left to piston uppers BUT even then, there are still limitations.
I am reading your post a year later and still today I believe the issues experienced are related to rate of fire in a suppressed state. The amount of heat within just a 250 rounds causes "Less Expensive" barrels to fail. So BCM running 6k rounds seems pretty well worth the $1500 price point in my opinion. The heat caused be suppression is one reason I do not run suppressed.
More and more of these experiences with BCM uppers coming out. Kind of glad I went a different route, especially for uppers that are supposed to be gtg for hard use. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Which upper did you get Ralph?
@@willl4219 SIONICS for a 12.5”
anybody know if these issues are still going on now going into 2023?
I've been seeing QC issues up to around 2022 so I'd say it's still a possibility. Really is a bummer. Been wanting one for years and was just about to get one until I started seeing all of this.
I can speak to the amazing customer service of Daniel Defense. I went and bought a DDM4V7 from a LGS and when I get it home I find a massive problem inside the rifle that only became obvious after dry firing about 75 times. I contacted Daniel Defense who said to send it in, the problem was the only reason I purchased this rifle was my family and I had a class we all planned to take together and I was lending my rifles out to my family but needed one more for my brother so I purchased the Daniel Defense. Upon explaining this to Daniel Defense they called the LGS I had purchased from and arranged for me to bring back the DDM4V7 and swap it out. The LGS only had a mk12 or M4A1 left as far as Daniel Defense rifles, so I got the M4A1 paid the very minor difference in price and walked out w a perfectly working DDM4A1. I’ve never heard of or seen another company do something like that in my life so in my opinion and experience Daniel Defense has the best customer service.
I bought my first AR a 4 or 5 years back and chose Daniel Defense and I have kind of regretted not choosing BCM ever since but now I’m glad I went with DD lol
DD is super solid. I've always thought they were better than BCM .
LMT and Centurion are my favorites.
Very well documented. Thanks for being another person to share their experiences with bcm. I have their mk2 upper with the BFH barrel and haven't had any issues yet but I haven't shot as much as you nor do I run it suppressed. I have a 10.5 in fsb upper from aero with the ballistic advantage barrel and am getting sub moa with wolf gold and green tip. Pretty amazing.
Thank you for this I'm trying to decide now for suppressed 14.5 I'll likely end up with DD because of your video.
I currently own a DD 10.3 barrel in one of my AR pistols. it only has about 2k rounds. But was thinking of putting another upper together with a BCM upper but hearing this and Gunthots experience. I was like nah... decided to go with SOLGW as they seem to stand behind their products when it comes to warranty, QC, and longevity.
On a side note, I've seen multiple match ballistic advantage barrels fail to hold 1 moa with various match ammo and consistency shoot 3 moa + with quality ball ammo. I also had a hansen barrel from them that started to keyhole at 4k rounds. They did a one time replacement but blamed the problem on excessive wear and harsh use. I had a similar fire schedule as expressed in this video. Criterion and DD seem like better options. My experience with Criterion barrels performance has been excellent.
DD has had far more documented issues than BCM and BA combined. stay far away.
I think a lot of other people like BCM and its their go to brand, but I think every company does good at something. Like you said Daniel Defense and Ballistic Advantage make good barrels.
Ive personally seen a lot of issues with DD rifles which is unacceptable with their premium pricepoints imo. I love BA barrels and have never had issues with them however, their MOA guarantees should be industry standard imo they stand behind their products for sure.
"Somhow i always end up interacting with customer service" as someone who services vehicles that statement is concerning. I see this from time to time with some people. if you experience this at your service centers, i.e., auto, grocery, and convenience store, it might be you.
I’m redoing my BCM upper to 11.5” and went with a DD barrel. After much research, I concluded that DD CHF barrels are some of the best. Everything else on the rifle remains BCM. Thank you for sharing your experience- I will keep this in mind when doing future builds.
Good way to go.
I feel you on the QC/CS issues with BCM. Years ago, I purchased one of their full rifles. After just a few magazines I could tell something was off. The trigger and hammer holes were completely canted on the lower, and the upper was also canted. I confirmed this by trying different triggers, different lowers with the upper, and different uppers with the lower. I sent them pictures of extremely uneven hammer and bcg wear, and they told me to let them know when it breaks. I sold it the same day. Never purchased another BCM product.
@@sirsean1227 why wouldnt he
You sold your problem to someone else? What an upstanding individual!
Why would you sell it?
@@pcpolice7937 Well, if he mentioned it to the person and sold it for a lot less and the buyer decided to buy it with the knowledge of it's problems, that isn't incorrect at all. You're assuming, which is also not the behavior of an upstanding individual.
@@paddypibblet846 Why don’t you ask ChrisTheMedic. He had plenty of time to reply to my post. Who would buy a lower knowing the pin holes are canted?
I'm late to the "wtf is BCM doing?" party but the Army publication BCM is quoting is TC 3-22.9 and the paragraph says that the slow fire is for the qualification range. The very next paragraph covers rate of fire in an actual fight:
"RAPID SEMIAUTOMATIC FIRE
8-19. Rapid semiautomatic fire is approximately 45 rounds per minute and is typically
used for multiple targets or combat scenarios where the Soldier does not have overmatch
of the threat. Soldiers should be well-trained in all aspects of slow semiautomatic firing
before attempting any rapid semiautomatic fire training."
This matches pretty well with shooting controlled pairs at a pretty rapid cadence.
BCM isn't saying "Hey, heat can damage components if you abuse things," and "Let your rifle cool between cycles of fire." They specify in the emails that their barrels will fall apart fired above 12-15 rounds period. Full stop. Do not pass 15 RPM. Pretty pathetic that a company making "professional equipment" can't keep up with basic professional requirements.
But the thing is it says indefinitely it doesn’t say you can’t fire above 15 that’s an indefinite number so if you use it for 30 minutes at a higher rate of fire it’s not gonna hurt it this is what people are missing here. I’m not showing for BCM from what I can tell her quality control may have fallen off but everybody’s getting hung up on the wrong details
Basically all they’re doing is covering their ass from some dumby who goes to his farm somewhere and dumped 40 magazines out of it back to back and then says my rifles junk that’s all it is a way for them to combat that situation.
Little late to the party here. Just got my BCM MK.2 11.5" upper and without shooting even getting the opportunity to shoot it yet, ive noticed some things. First off, i did a test drop on my rifle after it was fully assembled. And the very first drop, from 5' on a carpeted floor, broke the charging handle. I reached out to BCM to see if maybe I could do anything about it with them given their claims on their charging handle. Absolutely no response from them. Additionally, ive noticed that the hand guard came to me bent. Its bent in a way were it is torqued to the left and curved to the left. Now i was really concerned, because this is a machined piece. Why is it bent from the manufacturer? Now, these are not super critical failures, but reliablility and QC issues most definitely. And im certain that the drop that my rifle experinced was not the reason for the bent hand guard, because the hand guard is bent in the direction of the drop, which is an impossibility. I havent reached out about the hand guard yet, but given the lack of a response in regards to the charging handle, i dont think I will even try. Will most likely just go and buy a Daniel defense mk18 and call it good. At least i know for certainty that with DD, i will be getting a great product that stands behind their products.
Damn. I watched this 2 months ago, and still can’t get it out of my head every time I hear something about BCM. I want to like their products.
DD all day, they replace my barrel free for charge (after 7000 rds) and it's been 3 years since and thousands of thousands rounds round count, my DD upper still running strong.
Guess ill go with DD then. I was so close to buying BCM
Damn, I have a 11.5” BCM standard and it’s soon going suppressed. I liked the fact that I was supporting a local company here in Wisconsin but might have to stay away from now on.
I ordered a 16" upper that ended up having an over torqued barrel nut and it was a nightmare to deal with. They replied to my first few emails with one word answers. I had severe chunks of metal missing in the feed ramp area due to the bcg closing since it wasnt lined up straight. Instead of sending me a new upper they gave me back the damaged barrel and only retorqued the barrel nut. My bcm bolt was pretty damged as well because of their bad upper but they refused to replace it. They never gave me shipping info and it just randomly showed up one day and they never sent me an email even explaining what they did, i had to reach out to them. They have a horrible elitist attitude. I sold that upper immediately never doing bcm again.
I wonder what the other quality companies state as their rate of fire.
Will be going with SOLGW thanks for this informative video
There's 3 sides to every story.
Going with Daniel Defense. Thanks for the info!
Very well documented video. I was just looking to pick up up their MK2 14.5 CHF upper. I had a complete rifle by them about 6 years ago that worked fine but I never put more than 2000 rounds through before trading it off. I was a little skeptical after seeing the problem GunThots had. Now this has changed their image for me completely. Treating customers like shit and calling them liars is going to be a big no for me.
Daniel Defense just gained a new customer!
So glad I saw this. I was all in to buy an 11.5 complete upper from BCM, figured i could save a little cash over going with DD. Have a DDM4 V7 as my main AR and wanted to build a pistol variant. Literally was about to order the upper this weekend. Holding off now and will avoid BCM for this new setup.
POF PSA Best customer service in the game, POF is amazing for me.
Reality is very difficult to gauge. Your experience will be different from other's. Thank you for your effort and I'm so sorry you experienced this
That’s so surprising to hear. I’ve always heard BCM was high end. I bought 3 of their uppers about a year ago. A 14.5 and 2. 16s. They’ve been great so far but clearly I haven’t put as many rounds through them as you and don’t use a suppressor.
I sold my enhanced light weight upper when I shot 100 rounds and saw the cracking on the chrome.
Went with criterion and Daniel Defense and never looked back. I will never go back with a BCM Barrels again.
I’m actually buying a new rifle this week. Glad I came across this video. I’ll go with another manufacturer for sure.
A BCM upper i bought last year around August came with a dust cover that doesn't even close. I have to push down the little detent spring and guide it closed, sometimes it takes a few tries for it to catch. Not the biggest deal but I don't understand how that passed their QC, especially considering they test fire their uppers before shipping.
idem! i own BCM Recce 14 and dust cover doesn't even close! i must force it to close
I also have had issues with BCM’s quality on a 16” upper. During inspection I found the locking lugs on the barrel extension were chipped and damaged. After contacting BCM customer service they asked me to send photos which I did I was told to return it to them for warranty. After about 10 days after they received it I sent them an email to inquire about when I could expect to get a different upper. They said they would expedite the order and get it out in 2-3 days. After receiving the upper on inspection I found they repaired the barrel but didn’t install the hand guard end cap (I could have fixed this myself but at this point I was done with BCM). I asked and received a refund on the upper and picked up a couple Rock River barrels good to go now.
Bummer. Details matter.
I have their 16" barrel MCMR mk2 upper and I'll be keeping an eye on it now. Fuck that sucks man but thanks for all the info.
Yup, I was this-close getting some BCM stuff for a new upper. Good information.
I recently got a forward assist assembly from BCM and it came with a 1/8" trigger guard roll pin instead of a 3/32" FA roll pin. Sealed in plastic and everything.
Thanks I was considering making a big purchase from them. But I won't now because of your experience. Thanks for saving me the headache.
You know there are thousands of happy customers of BCM out there. One experience seems strange to stake everything on…
I have 2 so far and there absolutely amazing. I will agree I don't like there costumer service at all they don't back you up or help much I had a dumb situation with a shirt return
Have thousands of rounds through my bcm mk2 love it don’t base it off one bias oppinion he’s a good guy but has very bided opinions and is a perfectionist
@Liberator29 their quality control has gone down. Why tons have of other manufacturers have gained traction. There's a lot of better shit out there. The AR market is too competitive to put up with this crap these days, especially with inflation of firearms prices. Tons similar experiences with other users on other forums. Why I never never spent any money on BCM, and have bought from Daniel Defense, Springfield (I know) and even Diamondback Firearms. Had no issues with any of them, always took care of me.
I bought one of their uppers and it didn't run reliably for me. I sent it back, they said that the cyclic rate is mil spec. They blacklisted me. No replacement, and still waiting for a check. I bought the upper a month ago.
Yea I’ve recently got a Bcm “14.5 pinned and welded SF Muzzle break and a “16 Bcm BFH ELW. Both had barrel issues where the steel was cracking and coming out.
Wow I really feel for you , i would have not appreciated their customer service at all either . There is no excuse for their response whatsoever and hopefully they will learn for everyone's sake who has purchased their products .
This is what happens when a company is run by marines out of crayons
Yet, we are the ones you turn to when shit hits the fan. Got to love you, keyboard warriors...But you probably think you can "respawn" from a gunshot..smh So I can understand why you would make such a comment..lol
@@BROOKLYNPOETZ usmc isn't needed at all, everything you do the other branches do better. Usmc should be disbanded and folded into the other actually useful branches
@@daviddavidson9923 😂😂😂 Please provide me examples of how the rest “Do better”. I’ll wait. Before I continue to engage with you, please tell me you have at least served? Please tell me you have at a minimum one deployment under your belt? Please provide rank and mos also. Because which such intelligence, you must clearly have hands on experience. If not, your comments are a non factor.
@@BROOKLYNPOETZ seals are navy, delta is army. Both are better than usmc
@@daviddavidson9923 seals/delta are elite special force units not conventional infantry units. your comparison is erroneous and asinine. I'm not a marine. I'm not even a vet. But you...you need some serious realignment.
I had a new barrel hammer forge barrel from BCM that had a horrible bore and chamber. I always bore scope my new barrels for just this type of problem.BCM did replace that barrel pronto without any problem. One of my most accurate barrels is a BCM and has a lot of rounds through it as it is one of my competition guns and it still runs great. That said, I have switched to DD barrels as they have the best chambers and bores I have seen compared to FN and BCM hammer forged barrels..
I have a BCM BHF upper from like 2009 and where the dimpled the barrel for the gas block rusted straight through. This was my late veteran husband's favorite rifle that was going to be passed down to his son. BCM would not help with the issue and when sent back I never recieved it. I expected much more from BCM.
I have a CHF barrel from a different manufacturer. They said that I could shoot 60 rpm (one per second).
I have three AR's with Criterion barrels 5.56. One is a 20" heavy barrel and the other two are Hybrids at 16" and 18". Wylde chambered and chrome lined. They all shoot under MOA. How long will they hold up I cannot address as they are low round count rifles. I do have a Teslong bore scope so it will be easy to keep an eye on things. My son has a BCM 11.5" upper that is seriously over gassed. Chucks brass at about 1 o'clock and that upper of his is just getting hammered. Suggested that he go straight to an H-3 buffer and he may also need to install an adjustable gas block because it's that bad!
Try a Bootleg adjustable BCG in it, I run one in my 11.5" with a can and it runs like a sewing machine with an H2 buffer
@@KidCorporate Thanks! May give that a try!
I have the same issue I run bcm 11.5 in elw with a vltor a5 and a5h2 and it throws brass about 2o’clock just ordered the h4 gonna hopefully try that to see if it works or not oh and I run a DA sandman s but shit bout to swap barrels after hearing about this though makes me nervous 😟
@@MrBuzzkill-ut2bv Sounds like my son's BCM is not the only one that's over gassed. I think a lot of manufacturers do this for reliable functioning but over time can it takes its toll.
It’s sucks to doubt your rifle even if it happens to run normal during your use. Just the thought that “by chance” my rifle is functioning or to constantly wonder if the long intervals between each shot is long enough to avoid going over the ridiculous 12-15 rpm would create a next level kind of worry. I do own a bcm lower which I purchased a while back in Ca during a panic period which I tried to complete a couple of years back by ordering one of their mcmr uppers and for a silly shipping address change I experienced poor customer service and immediately felt that this BCM is not a company I want go deal with. The interaction I had with their CS rep during the purchasing process as well as after the shipping issue sounded similar to the responses you received although my issues were insignificant compared to yours, but just goes to tell that my instincts were right and I’m glad I stayed away from them. Their email responses were very generic and vague. I think a few big UA-cam names have inflated BCM’s name so much that the reality and the actual is not aligned. Thanks for sharing.
Customer service has no connection to the manufacturer of the products, the CS team is simply there to make problems go away. It is up to upper management to see that quality control and customer service work together to solve problems. Which sadly, is more work than a lot of companies are willing to do.
Sorry that happened man that would be so aggravating especially for a person that's vouches for all there stuff. Hopefully you got it figured out and no more issues
I had a very poor experience with them. Was having some insane gassing issues. Originally had an MCMR 11.5” ELW carbine-length gas system. The lower I was using had been tuned to get about 3:30 ejection pattern. Decided I would like a 14.5” version of the same upper, but with a midlength gas system. Put that new upper on that same lower and started getting 1:30 ejections. Practically straight forward. Waaaaay over gassed. It was inconsistent and mostly severely over gassed.
Now, I’m no noob. I do troubleshooting for a lot of people and diagnose what’s going on with their weapon systems. I do my due diligence because I can’t stand when a company tries to say “user error.” This means lots of different testing ammo, different buffer weights. So, I video record exactly what was happening at the range. Say that I installed an extra tungsten weight and it had no effect whatsoever on the ejection pattern. They told me to send it in. After a couple weeks they send it back saying that they didn’t encounter any issues. And that I shouldn’t be using a JP SCS buffer system. Only mil-spec. 🤷♂️ 🤣 so basically, that their guns won’t work with aftermarket parts.
When I get the upper back, I had ZERO gassing issues and had a consistent ejection pattern… with the same ammo, and the same lower… 🤔 only to see that the barrel and gas block/tube had been replaced! 🤣 So they didn’t encounter issues, but replaced parts. Gee, I think that makes a whole lot of sense.
BCM is unwilling to back their products or admit that something may be wrong with them. Recalls happen all the time. At least your customers see that you want to make sure they only have high quality products. But, instead, you treat customers like shit and like they’re idiots, and you LIE to them. Great way to do business.
Wow, I had the same straight forward ejection with a 14.5 ELW while suppressed all the way to an H3 buffer. I had to put a SA gas block on it to tame the ejection.
I’ve been looking to build a BCM rifle. Glad I saw this before I spent any money. Maybe I’ll go the DD way.
I'm glad I ran into your videos. I've in the research process of building a couple ARs and you have handed me a bunch of info. Greatly appreciated! I wish you had posted the status of the new barrel you ended up with, provided it was subjected to the same use as the BCM barrel(s).
Thanks!
I got my first complete BCM MK2 last year because I heard their quality was awesome. But when I got it. The upper and lower was wobbly big time. I was disappointed as I paid $1,800 for it. I expected it would be matched but I was wrong. I believe this might be my first and last BCM.
Same here!!! My upper and lower are extremely loose!!! I have 3 other BCM builds, all 4 of them are stock BCM. The 16 inch build I just finished is the only one that wobbles, I contacted them today via email. I’ll see what they say because BCMs should not be loose.
@@jimmyjameswu6474 what'd they say?
Be glad they bought it back from you. I have shot three different BCMs and none of them were better than 2-4 moa with match ammo. I have sent two ballistic advantage barrels that were crap and had to get refunds. Criterion has been good. The owner of BCM Paul Buffoni had a Outlaw MC tattoo on his arm. This can be seen in the Pat Rogers tribute video on UA-cam. One would assume this means he’s a part of an criminal organization. No wonder you got the response you did.
Thank you for your time in sharing this and all the headache involved.
- Godspeed
Glad I decided to get my Daniel Defense MK18 last week BCM was one of my choices but I’ve wanted the MK18 for years and finally got it. I know it’s sucks to get that kind of crappy service especially as long as you did your more patient then I am.
You are so gay
@@jparks5104 Obviously
Tac Daddy youre right on. "IM SO GLAD I bought MY blah blah.." Just finding echochambers to pat themselves on the back while wanting others to do it for them.
@@bryy2053 you just described the entire Instagram firearms community lol.
@@hodlwise2470 yes thats why i stay completely out of insta-ghoul and the tools showing off their tools for affirmation and confirmation by tools. Most the guns are spotless and look hardly used at all, yet they are their "go to" or "gtw" options. Right.
+1 for Ballistic Advantage barrels with the pinned gas block.
I'm a big fan of Radical Firearms. Their LE rifle is in the same price range as BCM. I've never had a problem with them and they have a fantastic warranty if you do.
Curious, if you did it all over again you stated you’d probably go with Ballistic Advantage. Why would you pick them over Criterion or DD?
Can’t believe I’m just now seeing this. Guess I’ll be sticking with KAC. Alllllmost got an 11.5 BCM upper, glad I didn’t.
The only thing to do is buy a bore scope , take pictures of you bore at 200,500 ,1000 ect.ect. No matter who makes it. When shit goes bad you can document it. Even good barrel mgfs machine bad metal sometimes because of quality control. When you get to 1000 rounds on a chrome lined barrel you will start to see fire cracking on the lands near the throat. This is normal. Shedding chrome off the lands or between the lands is not normal. I just returned 2 FN CHF barrels to Brownells for store credit for chrome shedding at 200,and 500 rounds .
Wow! Just, wow! Thank you very much for this video.
You seem very intellectual with your stance and understanding on firearms. I have never owned a bcm but from looking into them I immediately seen this video as a turn against bcm, however your understanding an seeing how you approached and showed your point I am on your side, I'll still buy a bcm however maybe I'll choose a different barrell. Thank you for your video
So..... You were running a BCM upper and barrel on a full Auto Lower. ??
Great video, thinking of getting a barrel from geissele. Have you heard any horror stories with there hf barrels?
Even though my DD lower had some stacked tolerances, i'm glad i bought it because that thing has ran 100% for 6k rounds and still shoots 1 MOA.
Can't say the same for their customer service being an European though, they never even answered my emails.
Thankfully the aftermarket seller i bought the rifle from had their gunsmith modify the bolt catch free of charge, so that it wouldn't get stuck under followers and actually lock open on an empty mag.
However my brother just recently bought a BCM CQBR 11.5" with the MK2 upper, runs a flow through suppressor on it always and now i'm concerned that his rifle is going to last.
I have this exact 11.5 upper and suppressor and now I’m nervous to shoot suppressed... wish we could get some clarity on which barrels criterion makes for BCM.
If you have over 4,000 rounds I would have it inspected personally.
Their 410 stainless barrels.
Their "match" barrels with the 1/8 wylde chambers are made by Criterion.
Hello. Very informative and excellent video. How much was your upgrade for your BCM 12.5” 300 blackout?? Thank you and thank you for your timely response
Good video. But I have to ask (and maybe I missed it), was the can the issue possibly? Was the can sent to BCM as part of the upper and muzzle device assembly? I’ve heard of this happening, but it can also be a tolerance stack up issue. I’m an automotive engineer, and I see it happen all over the car. So you never learned the root cause? b”Bummer.
Well, that has sealed the deal for the hunt of a CHF chrome lined capable of a giggle switch type of weapons...
I shot a 20 round mag on full auto. That is all. I would get a DD CHF barrel.
@@TheEngineerShooter Thanks for the response as I am pondering them and/or a FN barreled upper. But believe the 11.5 length is the way to go from you and others.
Hope it's an anomaly as I just ordered a compkete BCM upper to natch my BCM lower...
Bro I had a similar issue with a Spike’s barrel about 7-8 years ago. Not only did they sent me a brand new barrel, but they included an entire complete upper receiver along with it for the inconvenience, as a complementary gift!
This is definitely disheartening to hear about BCM, as I have been using their stuff almost exclusively since 2011. I will definitely proceed with extreme caution from here on out with them
Omg, I'm 60 rounds into a new 14.5 ELW BFH upper.... I guess I am going to have to swap out the barrel with a DD ?
BCMs run pretty well in longer barrels unsuppressed, it’s the shorter ones that are suppressed that have problems
Get a criterion core. That and hodge and centurion are my favorites
@@seanshipley8624 Centurion MIDWEIGHT HF and CRITERION CORE are my favorites as well .
Ill always go DD over BCM nowa days. Georgia boys vs Wisconsin boys. Thats the difference.
This dude is something else.
Was thinking about buying BCM because of the price point compared to Daniel Defense. But couldn't resist getting the MK18. Glad I didn't go with BCM based off your experience.
I as well just got their MK18 last week couldn’t be more satisfied and they have excellent customer service
@@justingriffin2288 yeah based off what I heard, DD will go the extra mile in customer service.
@@aznexile602 so when I bought mine I had it sent to PSA which is one of their preferred dealers which means you don’t pay shipping or FFL fees. I go pick it up and they still charged me an FFL fee when I told them no I bought it from DD and they were a preferred dealer. So I paid it and called DD and told them what happened they personally called PSA and told them the situation. DD then called me back and told me to go back up to PSA and get my FFL fee refunded. Yes they have great customer service they really stand by their product.
@@justingriffin2288 that's awesome. If you watch DDs UA-cam videos, you'll see that they will pretty much replace or refund products without much question. They've replaced ppls barrels where it was customer error that caused the damage.
@@aznexile602 just bought a ddm4v7 and a mk18 complete upper 2 days ago
Got a DDM4V7 pistol feeling like I over paid and should have went BCM but not after hearing this glad I didn’t about to order another DDM4A1 I knew there was a catch to BCMs being so cheap!
DD makes great stuff and even though it may be a bit pricey they will stand behind their product.
Daniel defense v7 has been going for 1400 brand new lately
Yup over paid however lifetime warranty and if the barrel had an issue they would replace it unlike BCM in this video making him feel like he misused hit firearm…..I’ll make up the difference on another flip or deal
Wow! I was a BCM purist until this past weekend! I am building a .300 blackout pistol and “was” going to use their 9” upper. While at a local gun shop discussing this and a suppressor set up, this topic came up and now have changed my mind. Looking at a Neveske barrel or a DD. Like BA but want a CHF. Thanks for posting this video. I have a BCM 14.5” upper and like it but will likely stay away from them now.
Any suggestions on the pistol build with the barrels I mentioned? Want it as a serious defensive weapon that can withstand thousands of rounds. Thank you!
Glad I seen this before buying a new barrel.
I had a few BCM uppers ditched the barrels and went with TRIARC and BRT barrels HUUUGE improvement.
TRIARC Track 2.0 barrels are legit. Can confirm.
I waited 20 something weeks last year for a track 2.0 barrel. Wishing I would’ve gotten the whole upper.
Thanks for putting out this video. Hopefully by this being out on youtube, BCM saw it and will hopefully change their customer service. But still i am shocked that a barrel looks like that after 1,000 or 2,000 rounds. It looks like you fired a 1,000 round magazine on full auto
They need to change more than their customer service, if the barrel was made right the first time this would’ve never happened.
@@scubasteve743 i agree
Man this sucks! I've spent the last 3 days researching pulling my hair out trying to replace my budget upper I bought a couple years ago. Finally settled on BCM today and got it all figured out, then I ran across this video. Back to square 1
Wish I hadn't seen this and read the comments now. So frustrating...
What lower are you using? Have you decided on an upper yet?
@@Joe_Friday I just ordered an upper and it shipped yesterday morning. BCM lol.... I did a little more researched and talked to a few people. But I remembered something that I frequently stress over when ordering from Amazon. And that's the reviews. I start to settle on something then I see a horrible review then I keep clicking. It's miserable. I did some more research and decided for one, this upper is way better than I have and two, the thing about this video that stuck out to me was the crying about the lack of a tracking number when sending a refund check. A check can be canceled and reissued no problem. Since this was one of the few negatives I saw, and I didn't 100% trust the claim due to the "I'm never happy" focus, I pulled the trigger.
Lower, just an Anderson AM-15. Basic I know, but not really concerned with the lower like I am the upper.
@@scotmaciver I assume you're from Alabama. I'm from the northern part myself. I have a few BCMs myself. I've never shot them suppressed so I have no idea if mine would do the same thing as has. I've heard others complain about BCM over the last few years. I've had mine for a long time so if there's some qc issues that started taking place I'm hoping I got my stuff before they started having any problems.
@@Joe_Friday yeah Mobile, born in Huntsville and spent alot of time up there growing up. I was concerned about new stuff versus older stuff that people say is good. But it dawned on me that I'm getting the 16" carbine, now lightweight or pencil type barrel or anything like that so I figured I'm probably good because I'm probably pulling from the same years of old. I could be way off but the thought makes me feel better. Plus it's way ahead of the POS side charging, knob backing out, crappy ass BCA I got for cheap from a buddy 2 years ago before I really knew much about the AR. I'm not trying to do a clone, but I am staying closer to that style. I was looking at the Midwest that wraps around the FSB $200 seems steep, and I was looking at a Styngr free float but Im kinda tired of all the long rails, mine included, and I really like the classic style I guess it's called. Think i want a drop in quad. But haven't decided yet.
@@scotmaciver I live outside trinity and went to school/worked in Decatur most of my life. My office i work for is based in Huntsville and i lived in Huntsville for around 7 years myself.
Interesting. maybe its criterion. I just completed a build with a criterion barrel because they are suppose to be accurate. The gun shoots horrible. Im in the process of figuring out if it's how i put it together or the barrel. bcm upper also.
What ammo have you been running through it? Not that that's any sort of excuse.
How has your criterion barrel held up so far?
Good info. Kinda surprised at this. Thanks.
Well damn I just bought a upper and it's 2 days away from me, I'm hoping all is well. I'm somewhat new to AR's and I've been using aero despite all the negative things I've seen/heard about them recently.
I had a brand new BCM bcg missing chrome in the 3 bore
They replaced a 300 BLK barrel for me that shot 6 MOA.
NO hassles with them.
My 11.5 BCM has been GTG minus overgassing. I changed out gas tube for a BRT to reduce gas volume as the BCM was over gassed.
I have had several entry level ar’s PSA, M&P, etc I have had issues with all of them from not running steal to failure to eject, failure to load etc. I give up I’m selling them all and buying a BCM or DD possibly FN in the hopes that I’ll get a truly reliable rifle. Which does everybody recommend BCM, DD, ?
So disappointing. I have been buying BCM guns since 2012. I've never personally had an issue. However, I have heard more and more stories of their products having problems and CS being terrible. I would love for them to make a public statement and fix it. However, until that happens I will probably switch to a company like SOLGW who builds guns for people who "shoot the f***" out of their guns.
Agreed.
Centurion is my go too now .
@Rocco Cardarelli SOLGW has been easier to find in stock than a lot of other companies IMO.
Awesome video. Sorry this issue happened, very surprised bcm would conduct themselves this way.
FYI checks are sent in the mail for way higher than that amount with just a regular stamp via first class mail. A check is made out to you so really not useful to anyone else unless they're committing fraud. Checks are able to be rewritten or place a stop payment order fairly easily.
If you dont trust bcm anymore, then I suggest you change the barrel to either, daniel defense, odin works, or f/n. Odin is focused on accuracy more than a military setting though. The whole reasonI own a bcm cold hammer forged barrel “20” non fluted light weight is because I wanted a bcm with more durability, its very accurate.
Dude your from louisiana, nice. Samesies…