Every healer has its perks. White Mage has big damage and heals, Astro has the card system, Sage will have cool shields and lasers, and Scholar levels Summoner for free.
It would be a travesty if Endwalker tooltips were leaked before this video was made public. It's been about a year since I started making scripted videos for FFXIV. Thanks for all the continued support fellow travelers.
Chair your videos are super awesome. Even though you don't make video essays your style still presents your argument in a very strong manner and your evidence is top notch. I think your addition to the FFXIV content creator community is a great one and I thank you for all your hard work.
@@dazzlemasseur Bro I mained a disc priest in WoW and went immediately to scholar. Don't do this to me lmao. I wonder what I'm missing out on from astro and white mage.
You left out the part where healing a DRK in a dungeon pull they pop Living Dead and I just give up and let them die because swiftcast rez is fewer buttons.
I have that mentality as well. Although, letting Living Dead proc in the first place is a mistake. It's a lot of resources to heal that alone. Excog, Emergency Tactics/Adlo, Lustrate and try to get one of those to crit with Recitation. I'm still not even sure if that's enough. What an awful ability!
What are you talking about? Just Excog, then you need to cast Recitation, Emergency Tactics and Adlo, and if that wasn't enought suffer, you don't even know if it will bring the dark knight to full in time, so just cash lustrate... All in what? 10 seconds? 15? Until living dead expires. That easy, you just have to break your thumbs to do it.
"You have to be sure the server is confident that you have the shield down (adloquium) before you tried to spread it (deployment tactics)." That is a painful experience that no one should feel.
The SCH class does the equivalent of tripping up the stairs and SCH players have tripped up the stairs for so long they've forgotten that everyone else just walks up them. I mean sure, you're up the stairs at the end of the day, but it'd sure be nice to walk up them without tripping over the class mechanics every time. (My perspective as a SCH player).
SCH is my favorite job but "a ton of little annoyances" really sums it up. If they just made like THREE QoL changes out of the 15 it could use, it'd at least be something to make us feel better. Instead it feels like no one at Square plays the job and that very obvious issues, many of which could be fixed easily (like Selene's buttons not being replacement, and Excog not having a manual pop) are ignored.
SAME! I still don’t understand why they don’t give Excog a manual pop. Just set it up like MCH’s wildfire. I also don’t understand why Dissipation still don’t have its heal potency buff on oGCD. That’s like a super easy fix. Why did the devs lower Succor potency? So many why’s
Honestly Scholar's still more of a blast than WHM or AST for me. I hate not having the cooldowns necessary to flex healing where I want it to be. Sage is 100% going to be a better version of it, but honestly both could be meta with how bad XIV's devs are at tuning healers in general. Excog's perfect the way it is imo. It's already at a point where you can leave it alone if they calculate the damage and healing in the same beat, and with tanks getting more self-sustain it's going to be even less likely to happen now. For Dissipation I want it and Seraph combined into the same button (alternate between both, make it a charge action), with Dissipation getting a generic SPELL POTENCY boost. Make it clear it's a DPS cooldown first, which will offset needing to use the aetherflow for healing sometimes. I also want a reward for actually using its resources. I'd bring back Quickened Aetherflow by baking it into a new DPS oGCD with charges. Basically do what Machinist does, except this new oGCD procs whenever you spend Fey Gauge, Aetherflow, or MP on a healing spell. Tuned properly it would nerf or even replace Energy Drain outright. There's also a sick part of me that wants more bullshit. Nerf Lustrate and Indom's potencies, then give Physick and Recitation a secondary buff that's basically Divine Seal for those two actions. Buff Indom's cooldown to be shared with Lustrate. Also give Emergency Tactics charges instead of constantly lowering its cooldown over and over. It needs successive uses, not more potential uptime.
also, the crit catalyze shield gets consumed after the galvanize, so whenever you want to spread an adlo off a tank (which you want to do just in case you get a crit for the bonus catalyze) you'd sometimes get into a situation where while the tank is taking autos, the galvanize shield gets destroyed and you have nothing to spread
Oh thank god someone said it. It's such a small thing that everyone misses and assumes that it was just server ticks not applying the spell. No, sometimes the DEPLOYABLE SHIELD IS GONE but catalyze is still here! They had an entire expansion to address this and they didn't. SCH in a nutshell.
Thank you for shining a spotlight on the Schrodinger's fuckery that is SCH's kit fighting with itself yet somehow still being able to dominate the charts. It is the crystallization of that one meme that more or less goes: "Once i get my shit together it's over for all of you." That's probably why it's taken so long to fix, a SCH absent any of the disaster energy that's baked into it would be seen by the Devs as too OP (which would just mean it's numbers get adjusted but I'd rather that then it's clunkiness tbh). Ty though for putting into words how I feel about the job as a SCH main. And I will still continue to main it, it will take more than it's current disaster energy (that has persisted since SB but could be argued it began earlier) to undo the love I discovered for it back in FFXI. Off topic but I can already see the writing on the wall for DRK with TBN being "so good" it's overall Job design might get smothered as we go forward with TBN's efficacy looming large because (as SCH's are used to hearing) "It has the #'s so it's fine if the Devs ignore it/don't change things/don't make it exciting to play". But yea SCH main since FFXI (though I did WHM p often in XI cuz their AF boosting bar-spell potency) and I'm excited to finish EW as a SCH. I'll level Sage once that's taken care of.
Given the leaks, they really do believe that TBN is that good to the point where turning GNB into nebula gifter + exogitation isn't as good as TBN, for whatever reason mind you. Granted, these could obviously be fake, but I dunno, it really does seem like DRK is going to see little to no gameplay by tanks as WAR seems like the way superior option of the two, PLD finally being able to hold the role of main tank safely thanks to his overall healing attached to his kit and GNB getting that ridiculous Heart of Stone upgrade.
This whole video? Bars. Especially the last ten seconds. As a former scholar healer, yeah I leveled astrologian and absolutely had the sense the while time like I was being lied to. I thought I missed art of war as well, and then light-speed showed up with it's 90 second CD. The card mini game is also getting easier ever since I learned it was color coded. In short: spot on. Scholar strong, but...sometimes you don't want to always play Tetris just to accomplish what other jobs do in a single GCD.
tooltip for it should definitely state this and yet it doesn't lol..... "Gradually restores HP of party member with which faerie has a Fey Union. Cure Potency: 400 Faerie Gauge is depleted while HP is restored. Fey Union effect fades upon execution of other faerie actions. Party member must be within 15 yalms." Mentions the pact will end if you have the fairy use one of its own skills but doesn't mention needing to be stationery nor the using it removes any fairy buffs active prior ._____."
@@Beraka114 Or just make Aetherpact a passive "copy paste" heal like AST's Synastry - I normally wouldn't be in favor of homogenization, but the channel does feel clunky to use.
Thanks, watching this was cathartic. I have seen so many people talking about how 'Scholar is powerful actually' and I am like 'Yeah, that is not the problem'
Your job identity rant made me realize something: Scholar is supposed to be the smart healer that plans ahead, which is why it uses shields. Meanwhile the class with the skills that need planning ahead is Astrologian; Earthly Star and Horoscope.
Scholar used to be way more about planning ahead in the past. We've lost multiple mitigation abilities and preshielding tank busters doesn't feel quite as necessary these days
Scholar is my favorite job out of the healers based solely on the lore and feel of the job but I’d say you hit the nail on the head with all the minor grievances that add up to be a major annoyance. Too much jank, lack of cohesiveness and no identity are the exact reasons I’ve drifted more towards Astro in the last expansion.
SCH's that job where it feels amazing when everything actually works, but getting to that point feels like someone is pulling each of your teeth out with cattle wire. Love the class in dungeons and 24 man raids because I don't have to think about healing, I can actively ignore the tank and be rewarded for that lack of concern because of how strong the kit is. However in Savage it's just so damn clunky and I feel punished for trying to plan out my casts when the server seems to just toss a coin as to whether or not it recognizes my button inputs on any particular encounter. I once had Fey Blessing take eight seconds to cast in Savage. Eight seconds where I had to spam another heal and muck up my rotation, only for it to go off once the party was at full. It's infuriating.
As a SMN player I feel a fair bit of this too, especially pet jank and having to press 500 buttons to do the same as another classes 1 button. But I love it
Much as I appreciate your dry humor, I also appreciate that you can base it on a core of serious criticism. You're exactly right on all counts (and even revealed aspects of SCH that I had not realized were a problem because I don't raid). Here's hoping SCH gets the love it needs....eventually.
Oh my God I literally made a whole ass outline about my problems with scholar and it's like you literally took every single point and said them word for word. Like literally almost *every single one* I'm going insane, I feel so validated.
Great video! I started playing a few months ago and chose Scholar because I was a Disc Priest in WoW (which seems to basically be what Sage is, shields and doing dps to heal), so I felt more comfortable healing with mitigation. You have some great ways of describing it. It really is annoying and anti-synergistic, and there's definitely lots of clunkiness (aetherpact and the way it has to be manually canceled to get the fairy to move if it didn't break, that that and dissipation lose us the ability to use other fairy skills, and, yeah, energy drain makes absolutely no sense). I hope that they are improving more than just what they said (or maybe their pretty off hand comment about pet stuff will be a complete overhaul, we can only hope lol). I really love the job lore, the class quest was great, that our auto attack is hitting someone with a book is hilarious. I wish they could somehow take what we experience as solo players and put it into actual group content. I'll probably still be playing it in EW, though, because if nothing else, I'll be speed boosting myself while soloing old content for relics or whatever.
Having levelled all three healer classes now, and done duty roulette and some hard content to the point I am in danger of getting I crown, I think each has its complexity honestly. White mage has a lot of weaving to line up right if you want to DPS optimally and you gotta line up three GCDs to manage your actual burst. It also has to keep a lot of plates spinning if you have content with a lot of debuffs. Astrologian has to play Magic: The Gathering all the time and it is easy to forget when you're panic healing. They also basically don't exist under 50 these days, when they don't have their mana tools you're basically going to be weaving Lucid Dreaming back to back if you're playing optimally and that about tells you the level of suffering we're on there. But the big difference I find between Astro/White Mage, and Scholar, is it mostly *makes sense*. The rotations are intuitive, you don't have to worry too much about things as long as you keep a weather eye on your partys health and buffs, and it doesn't feel like going into a DPS phase dooms your party, and focussing on healing doesn't feel like you're basically throwing out DPS. So much of scholar feels in contradiction to yourself. It is the class equivalent of having to rub your stomach and pat your head at the same time. This is both why it's loved and hated. People who love it feel that "sense of pride and accomplishment" at managing to get through a mechanically-complex class which is quite complicated to get to grips with and optimize. Those that don't often feel like WHM and AST do in 1-3 buttons what SCH does in five. I can physically feel my blood pressure rise when that stuff happens on SCH. Personally, I use Scholar the least of the three healers because I don't feel like having a fucking heart attack every time someone gets resurrected or the DRK uses Living Dead for the nth time. And can someone tell the GNB to stop shooting themselves? I just ate my fairy. I'm only half joking - the real problem I have with scholar is I feel that someone else playing suboptimally or just getting in a bad spot for whatever other reason means I have to reinvent the wheel. AST has Essential Dignity, WHM has Benediction and Tetragammon. SCH gets to lay Sacred Soil and play the keyboard like they're trying out for doing Ninja shit. I personally don't mind it per se, but I find it exhausting to play in longer sessions, so I end up just favouring AST or WHM. But that's just one moderately mediocre healer's opinion.
Hot Take: Dissipation should guarantee next spell crits, so you can guarantee Adlo crits on cooldown, or pump it into more offense if that's what you need
thank you for this video, it's spot on for a lot of its current problems. I'm hoping dissipation can just be a 60s CD that gives 1 aetherflow w/o eating the faerie, i feel like that would make it comfy to use
My "hope" for SCH is, because Sage is dropping, SE doesn't want to do any drastic changes to SCH before knowing how well recieved Sage is - If Sage feels great, then the role of "tactical shield healer" becomes solidly filled, and would give Square a proper direction to take SCH into; namely "pet focused shield healer".
Scholar has been dragging design concepts that have become the anti-synergistic problems we have right now since the days of ARR and HW. Back then, all healers had the disconnect between choosing damage and healing, except SCH. Everything in its kit since then has been designed with this philosophy of "if you do this you can't do that." I think what SCH needs is an update that focuses more on big payoffs for charging the fey gauge, but they don't seem to think it needs help at all, so....
Just got my 6th clear of e12s on SCH and agree with most of the points here. I think if Fey Blessing had less of a cd and dissipation affected all healing and buffed damage they'd be in a better place. Fairy Jank is half of the preplanning aspect of the job and idk I enjoy it. WHM will probably remain the SAM of healers, AST will do it's thing, and we'll be one of dozens of scholars still in the game, Dozens!
i doubt it, sch will always be useful as long as it has chain, which sge doesn't have. whm popularity has always been baffling to me considering how ast is so much better, and it looks like the gap between whm and ast is going to become even bigger in endwalker, as ast got a bunch of dps buttons while whm got... another ogcd heal on a gigantic cooldown
SCH feels like i have to work more, for the same result. But SCH is fun in Dungeons, i dont have to heal at all most of the time, cause Selene does the work for me.
Yeah same, I love that shit. Put down sacred soil, give your tank excog and regen and then dump your entire mana bar on spamming art of war into the trash pull. Idk it's a lot more fun than the other healers for me but I definitely see the issues people have.
Thanks for touching on a lot of the problems I've been complaining about for months. One thing I'd personally like to see change is to Adloquium+Deployment Tactics/Recitation/Emergency Tactics. As it stands, if you want to deploy an adloquium, you need to do a full GCD Adlo, and then OGCD deploy it which requires either a Ruin II to follow or a well timed DoT refresh to get a weave window. I'm omitting Swift Adlo as a possibility in these scenarios because that would just add another OGCD to weave and instead add a weave window at the beginning. So a deployed Adlo which is already clunky on its own would take roughly 1 full GCD and at minimum up to the 1st weave window in your next GCD just to get a shield up. Doing a Recitation Adlo (Which can be useful for dungeons) has a similar problem. Hell, putting Adlo on the tank is annoying prepull because they're gonna wanna keep moving through the dungeon like anyone would and you want to put a shield on him which has a full cast time. Meanwhile, AST and WHM can put down their regen on the tank as an instant cast. Meanwhile, I'm not even sure what they want to do with Emergency Tactics when Succor is already a bum skill. Imagine how nice it would be if Adloquium was instant cast. You could put Recitation + Adlo on the tank on the move between pulls, Adlo YOURSELF ahead of time to then deploy onto the tank once his shield depletes within that OGCD window. I don't think this is unreasonable in the slightest when Nocturnal AST can put their shield down instantly. And yeah, the 'Scholar is fine' comments really annoy me, because they tend to read as someone who doesn't know what they're on about. Thank GOD for that Broil change though. It's a good step in the right direction.
As a SCH main, literally the only time I remember I have Dissipation is my opener, when I die and need aetherflow to recover, and when I've exhausted all other options (looking at you e12s Titan phase). It's just so dangerous and/or inconvenient to use, I just end up almost never using it. :D I love SCH but also oh my god I hate it too D:
I'm an astro main but I absolutely love scholar. I just experienced the flaw in excog during an UwU run, basically excog not activating because the tank survived aether boom with 52% hp, then he proceeded to die to a 2nd boom, thanks excog. Awesome video!
Ill never forget the old pet placement bug where wiping in a primal fight and resummoning your fairy would snap it back to where you had it placed so she would IMMEDIATELY run out and pull the boss bc she was still targetable :^)
The people who say sch have no identity are wrong. Its identity is the stoned kid who sleeps during class and still manages to be one of the top students
Agree 100% as a Scholar (who purely got since I was maining Summoner when I started). Was put off Astrologian purely because of the card RNG. But once the changes hit, I may try it.
I have all 3 healers at 80 And idk, i get what you’re saying and I agree its a bit janky but at the end of the day SCH just feels like the most fun to play.
The true sch mains yes. We love our class, but acknowledge it's jank as all hell and punishing when our party isn't performing well. The fact that we don't have access to instaheals all the time means we have to heal more to make our shields effective. It's absolutely bonkers but damn if seeing a Crit Adlo doesn't pump up my dopamine levels.
I honestly don't mind certain SCH abilities even if they are janky and work against themselves. I would welcome changes, yes, definitely. But currently what worries me the worst is the perspective of having to spam Broil for two more years.
I love scholar for one reason. Watching raid wide damage do absolutely nothing. Yes that means I press succor every now and again. I’m not a high end raider so I don’t have to be optimal all the time. But I do legitimately enjoy the job and I’m not trading it for sage any time soon.
I'd started as Arcanist because pet classes are my favorite. It's a shame YoshiP seems to hate pet classes! Aspects of having a pet got removed, gutting the concept of having one in the first place, but leaving Summoner and Scholar with the jank of the pet thanks to spells that get cast through said pet.
I only play astro out of the healers and it's become my main class, I have an answer to everything so I know how easy it is to just heal someone, for whatever reason good healers are sometimes hard to find, but a scholar never let's me down, they try their hardest out of all the healers and it shows. I'm also a sprout who's played for like 60 something days, and am at the newer ultima weapons segment of shadowbringers. so that's only a short time of expereince.
It might be the copium, but I'm actually really excited for the new mitigation + speed boost ability. It would have been really comfy to have for certain mechanics that needed a lot of movement as well as some damage mitigation from the last raid tier. Like for instance: e9s' anti-air/wide angle into light party aoe (or just tiles in general, lol), e10s' wall orbs (followed by raidwide), e12s' titan and lions phases.
there is no copium tbh SCH is and still will be high end meta thanks to the combination of Chain Stratagem and ok personal dps. SGE might just get the WHM treatment where yes it has high af selfish damage it wont just reach the rdps of "support" healers. Its fine number and mechanic wise... its just clunk af
I kind of miss the ability to spread miasma and bio to nearby targets while i could focus on damage mitigation and recovery. That aside, I still enjoy the class.
Listen sometimes I wanna actually think during a dungeon or make play harder during an extreme ; so yes I am a masochist sch main stop calling me out BRO
"Imagine using an regen on a target and then using an AoE heal, and it takes away the regen and now you have to reapply it." Don't WoW druids have an ability like this?
Only if the regen gets eaten _without doing anything._ I never played Restoration Druid, but Swiftmend doesn't simply *erase* the regen without giving you something in return. SCH stuff does take things away without any benefit for having applied it.
This is a good video, I like your content a lot and I'm glad you keep producing it! I kind of generally agree with most of the points here, and maybe this is just delusional rationalizing but when you start comparing to other healers and how smooth they are I'm just like "yeah but that's why they're so boring". I get that we're just never going back to HW or even SB era healing but god do all 3 healers right now feel so interchangeable and bland. At least based on the tooltips; between sacred soil and the new movement speed meme skill, SCH seems more firmly placed in the "mitigation and shielding" camp than it did previously My dream changes/additions are really more just like... idk give us more to do with the faerie gauge because as you mentioned aetherpact is simultaneously underwhelming and clunky and I'd be more than happy to have it either removed or something I can do in downtime to actively apply a shield or something instead.
Glutton for punishment (SCH player) here. I personally don't find Dissipation to be that awkward, but then I mostly use scholar in dungeons, not trials and raids. In trash pulls, it feels great to do the fight, use your fairy abilities and aetherflow stacks, then immediately before the pull dies dissipate. Both the lack of fairy abilities and the awkward way that you can't charge the fairy gauge goes away because she's back for the next pull, and when the tank is mitigating effectively I often have more aetherflow than I need when doing this. This also pumps your adlo, which is good to use between trash fights. I 100% agree with changing energy drain, however, it seems very bad to introduce that tension between doing damage and healing, particularly when some groups screen players on their dps parses. And even if you just wasted aetherflow by not having a dump for it, white mage has the same thing with your lilies being full and you not using them because nobody needs healing.
Im one of the scholars that abandoned it. used to run nothing but it through HW and Stormblood. But I just couldnt hack it anymore. This damn class feels like shoving needles under my fingernails.
Ah yes, Energy Drain, the skill that people whined about so much being removed to the point they put it back in is also one of the big reasons the job feels rough. I remember when they removed it from SCH, there was so much complaining about it that they put it back in the game, made it overpowered originally, then nerfed it. I guess, based on my assumptions from the live letter because no one totally leaked any SCH tooltips that I totally didn't read, they're adding more mitigation to their kit but they aren't fixing anything else about the job.
It was just as broken if not even more so without energy drain, because it meant you randomly overhealed on your weave spots because you genuinely had no other use for aetherflow, people hated launch scholar because of the lack of energy drain, it would be fine if xiv was a game with lots of constant damage that forced you to actually use your resources but that's not the game we have and scholar is more deeply flawed than just energy drain, that button is just a convenient excuse when the job is fundamentally broken this expansion
@@imshail Aetherflow needing a cheap damage dump is the fundamental problem because it means SCH is still tied to being based on ACN/SMN. Them just going back to ED is a crutch and the fundamental problem with the job. They have fairy gauge and refuse to expand on it. WHM can use heals to recover damage (or gain in some situations) but SCH has to choose between healing and damage, and Energy Drain IS THE REASON Until they decide to let Aetherflow build Fairy Gauge and let that gauge be a source of damage, Energy Drain will continue to be a problem for the damage rotation of SCH. This is partly due to the devs not being creative or willing to take a risk, but also because SCH's refuse to let them.
@@sequences8942 except that's still pretty horrible design especially now that it has a lowered gcd because it would just lead into overhealing with random ogcds to generate fairy gauge to convert into damage leading us back to the original problem
@@sequences8942 I'm not sure if you got the issue they were actually talking about. It's not about a damage dump specifically, it's about having ANY kind of dump that's actually productive. When we didn't have ED, we'd reach moments in like dungeons where damage output hadn't been that rough for a while and we'd find ourselves still sitting on 2 stacks while the cooldown for aetherflow is coming back up. Using aetherflow on cooldown has always been essential for SCH's MP management, and once they introduced the fairy gauge it became more important to also make sure you were using all 3 stacks during each cooldown cycle. Going back to that situation where you'd have 2 stacks still unused while the cooldown was coming back up that left us with literally no good options. We could not use the cooldown and hold onto our 2 stacks until they were needed, but that'd mess up our MP management. We could burn the cooldown anyway to preserve MP even if it would only generate 1 stack, but that starts to mess with your fairy gauge and disincentivses building it up. Or we could burn both stacks on overhealing Lustrates, generating the fairy gauge and preserving MP flow but at the cost of it literally being one of the most wasteful-feeling things you could do with any job. These moments were FAR more frustrating and grating than any amount of "damage or heals" choice we've had to make since they gave us Energy Drain back, because there was literally no good options to take. Energy Drain was necessary for those moments because it gave us a "dump skill" that would always be at least somewhat useful. It wasn't the damage that people were clamouring for to have back, it was having literally anything productive to do with excess aetherflow stacks. If you don't want Energy Drain around that's fine, but without some serious reworks (which it doesn't sound like we're getting with Endwalker) the job NEEDS something useful to spend aetherflow on even when nobody needs healing. It could be a version of Lustrate that shields rather than heals, that way even if it's an "overheal" it still benefits. Or maybe a skill that consumes your leftover stacks to generate 20-30 fairy gauge per stack rather than the normal 10 so you can kind of bank that additional benefit for later. Energy Drain just works well as a "dump skill" because damage is never not useful. But whatever it is, unless we get some outlet for excess aetherflow, then Energy Drain needs to stay. I'd rather have slight clunkiness in the "damage vs healing" question than go back to the days where Lustrate was the only "dump skill" we had.
@@imshail That's not a problem for White Mage because they created a time gate for it. It's not perfect but they have no reason to overheal except in specific situations where they can't use a DPS GCD because it is a DPS loss to use their guage on a heal for a later Misery if they can cast Glare/Dia. You're also just wrong because Faerie Gauge doesn't build until you have AF to spend, and burning AF doesn't get you AF any faster. If you retain the time gate on additional stacks (possibly remove Dissipation and instead give the Seraph the healing buff and keep it to 3 stacks per 60s) then there would be no reason to overheal pointlessly, as long as they require you to use Faerie Gauge once it hits a threshold (not unlike how you can't use BRD's gauge until it hits 50). And that's just fitting the idea into the job currently. With minor tweaks to the whopping 2 skills that use Faerie Gauge, you could make it simply be additional damage. Of course there are other ways to take it as well.
It sounds like a barbecue where the smoke always follows you 360 degrees around the fire and you end up eating half burned and half raw steak with tears in your eyes
The full kit leaked, and SCH is also getting 180% galvanize and catalyze (160% on succor) as well as 90 second deploy, so maybe scholar will actually feel like a barrier healer for once. It's still insane that dissipation is unchanged (given Sage's 180 cd is a hot and AST is keeping neutral sect fully intact)
thing is ... all thoses skill are still skill that you don't wanna use if you start optimizing a bit. Espacially now with the free weaving on broil. The goal will be to use our Numerous ogcd without using gcd heal...ever
I never understood why I hated scholar so bad; I couldn't tell if I was bad or if the class was bad and this video confirmed it for me. it's both, lol.
Because we have 4 healers now, like tanks, you can easily find what job among the role gets the short stick. I've seen the tooltips on SCH and the tanks too. SCH really is looking to ve the DRK of the healers - it coasts off of the HW hype by players that cope with how it currently is and has counterintuitive design with a couple of actions fighting over a similar resources such as Energy Drain versus Lustrate and Sacred Soil. Like how DRK has to consider of TBN will break and be worth it or losing damage in a FoS/EoS.
As an ARR Scholar you didn't even get into half of my complaints haha. I miss what Scholar used to be, it was so much more complex and fun back in the day. If they gave me even a few DoTs and manual Embrace back I'd be applauding them
° Manual pet control (and removing pet CD from GCD) • be able to use Consolation right away • give back Quickened Aetherflow • More faerie gauge usage • Selene • Shorter CD on emergency tactics, or let it be toggled or something like OG Cleric • Lower MP cost or higher shield potency to account for the difference • Return our DoTs (& Bane)
Honestly I only realized I could lvl scholar at the same time when I saw there was only one base class for 2 jobs, so I used the EXP to get the scholar soul stone to speed up summoner and used summoner to 60 for free trial and went "oh shit! I forgot it leveled this healer too" but God do none of the abilities make sense after lvling WHM as my actual back up heal class
I think something people overlook is the bastardization of Scholar’s aesthetic. Sage does the nerd thing better, and Summoner does the, well, SUMMONING thing better. It’s the only job that shares weapons with its cousin, and most of the cool ones are geared towards SMN anyways. Between this and the clunky way SCH plays, it feels like a class where Sage is the job imo, something even Alphinaud recognized. Edit: Some people are angry I didn't specify that "Ackshually, SCH is a nerd from a DIFFERENT place so ha". So, uh, yeah you guys got me. SCH is perfect as is.
@@Toksyuryel I'm not really sure what a Nym Nerd is, but I think Sage's sleeker, more refined nerdiness really just solidifies them as a straight upgrade, at least aesthetically imo. I agree that you should be able to stab gods as a Tonberry though
Scholar is an arcanist that learned to summon a faerie that heals and learned the arcanima spells that ancient Nymians used to keep their people protected and alive. It's literally there in the lore.
You forgot about one other quirk of Energy Drain that comes from it taking Aetherflow- it gives *every single one* of your Aetherflow heals a hidden 500 MP cost. Because every time you slap a button, you can't use that button for Energy drain, costing you damage AND the MP. It's the *only* one of the healers currently with that problem (although those supposed leaks do have a fix for that particular quirk in that they show Aetherflow as giving 2k and ED not giving any)
I'm a newbie who just finished the story up to current playing SCH the whole time. Personally I enjoyed it, the jank was something to adjust for but I thought it was just a quirk of the job. I do like stacking abilities like Recitation + Adlo + Deployment. In any game at high-end the cracks in every playstyle are gonna show, that's just the nature of it. I donno, maybe my opinion will change if I get into the highend stuff.
Another thing to add to the list is that if you eat the faerie and use energy drain it doesn't fill the faerie gauge. It should fill up the gauge regardless of the faerie
I find Scholar best for many/most dungeons, honestly. The passive healing is often enough barring issues, slapping excog on the tank handles trash unless you're doing wall to wall pulls and it frees you to use your instant cast AoE to help burn down that trash.
Just saw the healer tooltup leaks I do like the new tank cooldown we are getting. And the speed buff is 20 secs with raid wide mitigation. So I'm somewhat optimistic
I'm about level 70 now and never eat my fairy. Instead I use emergency tactics for big heals. Then I use adlo and succor when everyone is heals for some protection.
I am one of those cohealers that had responsibilities pushed on them by their scholar cohealer at one point their dps was still shit and i was rolling like 97s and 98s in healing on the regular just to clear
i'm a glutton for punishment, so i pick scholar on purpose. ive tried the other two healers and just dont have any fun on them. i need that constant calculation and risk to keep blood flowing to my brain. same reason i play disc priest on WoW. its just tougher and requires more planning. so the difficulty of sch is why i love it. though aetherpact dropping when i click another faerie ability is actual bullshit and that needs to change for sure. when i click aetherpact that shit better stay up until my faerie dries out. that is all. good video.
also it happened a bunch of times to me when i summon seraph and use the aoe regen a bit to late before seraph goes away it goes on cd and the aoe regen was not even used like this is so tilting
Was a scholar main in Heavensward and Stormblood. Went through Shadowbringers with it, but couldn't. Just couldn't play it more. I love the idea of a pet healer, but goddamn does it feel jank.
I feel a little bad for scholar not getting any big change in game-play (as is shown in showcase), but I really get furious on the cast time change. The only thing that make SCH feel good is the on demand instant cast ruin 2, and now ruin 2 will become a DPS loss even when used to weave. I'm so sad i quit healing...
The cast time change was needed. Healing game has shifted to OGCD healing since goddamn Heavesward. The rationale for AST getting 1.5s cast times was that it had too many OGCDs to press, but so did other healers! It was insane that they kept full cast time for this long and thought taking DPS loss to weave (and SCH needs to weave a lot) was in any way satisfying.
I was putting up with SCH's weird gameplay in Stormblood because the faerie felt like it actually had a meaningful heal and it was really fun having 2 to 3 poisons on the enemies. Poison stacking is super fun to me. So it felt hard for me to play, but also it felt fun and I was trying really hard to master it even if I sucked at it. This changed in Shadowbringer with the healer rework because, ugh... it's just too much effort for a job which only fun ability is excog right now. Faerie feels like shit, heals feel weak, shields feel awful unless they're a crit... I just can't be bothered anymore.
Ironically, I figured Dissipation worked about as what you described - just I thought it applied to ALL heals, not just GCD ones. I tried to play Scholar, and unfortunately, having mained White Mage since Stormblood, the benefits of Scholar just feel supremely outweighed by the sheer clunkiness and lack of QoL improvements. I know it's useful af, but if I wanna heal, why heal with frustration? Astro on the other hand... oh man I can rant for days on Astro. Still sitting at sub-50 with it, ever since 4.4. >>
lol astro is the best healer by far, a bunch of ogcds, best weave, best utility, can go shield or regen and sinergy with the other healer, never gets out of mana and is THE best for high level content!
Every healer has its perks. White Mage has big damage and heals, Astro has the card system, Sage will have cool shields and lasers, and Scholar levels Summoner for free.
I laughed so fucking hard 😂
Omg lmao! 🤣
tbh after seeing the new summoner this is even better XD
HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
White mage literally does the least damage of all the healers lol
It would be a travesty if Endwalker tooltips were leaked before this video was made public.
It's been about a year since I started making scripted videos for FFXIV. Thanks for all the continued support fellow travelers.
No, thank you for your guides oh lord of mediocrity.
POV: A former SCH player gets kicked in the nuts for talking about SCH.
Chair your videos are super awesome. Even though you don't make video essays your style still presents your argument in a very strong manner and your evidence is top notch. I think your addition to the FFXIV content creator community is a great one and I thank you for all your hard work.
It's okay, they just showed what you already said-nothing is changing
Very insightful, thanks!
"So what is scholar's problem? Nothing. Also everything."
yeah that about sums it up
ah yes, the scholar main motto: "This job fucking sucks. I love it"
also known as "that's disgusting! where?"
Also known as : "I came from wow and can't live without pain" 🍞🍞🍞🍞🍞
Actually, I love suffering, how did you know?
@@dazzlemasseur Bro I mained a disc priest in WoW and went immediately to scholar. Don't do this to me lmao. I wonder what I'm missing out on from astro and white mage.
@@adagamefreak You probably won't enjoy WHM, it's very Holy Priest-ish. But man, Astro? *Chef's Kiss*
You left out the part where healing a DRK in a dungeon pull they pop Living Dead and I just give up and let them die because swiftcast rez is fewer buttons.
Yep you actually save more MP with a swift rez than actually healing the amount of their max HP. that this is a fact is really fucking sad.....
I have that mentality as well. Although, letting Living Dead proc in the first place is a mistake. It's a lot of resources to heal that alone. Excog, Emergency Tactics/Adlo, Lustrate and try to get one of those to crit with Recitation. I'm still not even sure if that's enough. What an awful ability!
Them dying to living dead means you let them die in the first place. You can just keep them alive that way they won't trigger living dead.
What are you talking about? Just Excog, then you need to cast Recitation, Emergency Tactics and Adlo, and if that wasn't enought suffer, you don't even know if it will bring the dark knight to full in time, so just cash lustrate... All in what? 10 seconds? 15? Until living dead expires.
That easy, you just have to break your thumbs to do it.
this! yes! this!
"You have to be sure the server is confident that you have the shield down (adloquium) before you tried to spread it (deployment tactics)." That is a painful experience that no one should feel.
Ahhh shit this is why sometimes it doesn't work! :o TIL
The SCH class does the equivalent of tripping up the stairs and SCH players have tripped up the stairs for so long they've forgotten that everyone else just walks up them. I mean sure, you're up the stairs at the end of the day, but it'd sure be nice to walk up them without tripping over the class mechanics every time. (My perspective as a SCH player).
what does this even mean
@@owendawg1 Scholar has a harder time getting from point A to B then the other healers.
People are really sleeping on how much of that clunk is going to be relieved with the Broil cast time reduction.
@@onioncultistlordoftheonion8315 probably a good 20% of it.
I have fun with the class and it plays smoothly IMO
SCH is my favorite job but "a ton of little annoyances" really sums it up. If they just made like THREE QoL changes out of the 15 it could use, it'd at least be something to make us feel better. Instead it feels like no one at Square plays the job and that very obvious issues, many of which could be fixed easily (like Selene's buttons not being replacement, and Excog not having a manual pop) are ignored.
SAME!
I still don’t understand why they don’t give Excog a manual pop. Just set it up like MCH’s wildfire.
I also don’t understand why Dissipation still don’t have its heal potency buff on oGCD. That’s like a super easy fix.
Why did the devs lower Succor potency?
So many why’s
Honestly Scholar's still more of a blast than WHM or AST for me. I hate not having the cooldowns necessary to flex healing where I want it to be. Sage is 100% going to be a better version of it, but honestly both could be meta with how bad XIV's devs are at tuning healers in general. Excog's perfect the way it is imo. It's already at a point where you can leave it alone if they calculate the damage and healing in the same beat, and with tanks getting more self-sustain it's going to be even less likely to happen now.
For Dissipation I want it and Seraph combined into the same button (alternate between both, make it a charge action), with Dissipation getting a generic SPELL POTENCY boost. Make it clear it's a DPS cooldown first, which will offset needing to use the aetherflow for healing sometimes.
I also want a reward for actually using its resources. I'd bring back Quickened Aetherflow by baking it into a new DPS oGCD with charges. Basically do what Machinist does, except this new oGCD procs whenever you spend Fey Gauge, Aetherflow, or MP on a healing spell. Tuned properly it would nerf or even replace Energy Drain outright.
There's also a sick part of me that wants more bullshit. Nerf Lustrate and Indom's potencies, then give Physick and Recitation a secondary buff that's basically Divine Seal for those two actions. Buff Indom's cooldown to be shared with Lustrate.
Also give Emergency Tactics charges instead of constantly lowering its cooldown over and over. It needs successive uses, not more potential uptime.
also, the crit catalyze shield gets consumed after the galvanize, so whenever you want to spread an adlo off a tank (which you want to do just in case you get a crit for the bonus catalyze) you'd sometimes get into a situation where while the tank is taking autos, the galvanize shield gets destroyed and you have nothing to spread
Oh thank god someone said it. It's such a small thing that everyone misses and assumes that it was just server ticks not applying the spell. No, sometimes the DEPLOYABLE SHIELD IS GONE but catalyze is still here!
They had an entire expansion to address this and they didn't. SCH in a nutshell.
Thank you for shining a spotlight on the Schrodinger's fuckery that is SCH's kit fighting with itself yet somehow still being able to dominate the charts. It is the crystallization of that one meme that more or less goes: "Once i get my shit together it's over for all of you." That's probably why it's taken so long to fix, a SCH absent any of the disaster energy that's baked into it would be seen by the Devs as too OP (which would just mean it's numbers get adjusted but I'd rather that then it's clunkiness tbh). Ty though for putting into words how I feel about the job as a SCH main. And I will still continue to main it, it will take more than it's current disaster energy (that has persisted since SB but could be argued it began earlier) to undo the love I discovered for it back in FFXI.
Off topic but I can already see the writing on the wall for DRK with TBN being "so good" it's overall Job design might get smothered as we go forward with TBN's efficacy looming large because (as SCH's are used to hearing) "It has the #'s so it's fine if the Devs ignore it/don't change things/don't make it exciting to play".
But yea SCH main since FFXI (though I did WHM p often in XI cuz their AF boosting bar-spell potency) and I'm excited to finish EW as a SCH. I'll level Sage once that's taken care of.
Given the leaks, they really do believe that TBN is that good to the point where turning GNB into nebula gifter + exogitation isn't as good as TBN, for whatever reason mind you.
Granted, these could obviously be fake, but I dunno, it really does seem like DRK is going to see little to no gameplay by tanks as WAR seems like the way superior option of the two, PLD finally being able to hold the role of main tank safely thanks to his overall healing attached to his kit and GNB getting that ridiculous Heart of Stone upgrade.
I mean it’s due to Chain Strategem that the job is strong isn’t it?
@@ew275x Yea that's definitely a big part of it I imagine XD
This whole video? Bars. Especially the last ten seconds.
As a former scholar healer, yeah I leveled astrologian and absolutely had the sense the while time like I was being lied to.
I thought I missed art of war as well, and then light-speed showed up with it's 90 second CD.
The card mini game is also getting easier ever since I learned it was color coded.
In short: spot on.
Scholar strong, but...sometimes you don't want to always play Tetris just to accomplish what other jobs do in a single GCD.
I'm really liking the fade outs as you continue just ranting. It's so funny to me
Time for all the epic memers who have never played SCH but saw one picture on reddit to come say it's trash
As someone who plays it, the memes are accurate
That moment when you realize that you never knew that using Whispering Dawn or Fey Illumination turns off Aetherpact... WHY IS THIS CLASS LIKE THIS?!
I was always so confused why my faerie's aetherpact kept stopping
It's can be resolved by simply low aetherpact cd or make the fairy less junky
tooltip for it should definitely state this and yet it doesn't lol.....
"Gradually restores HP of party member with which faerie has a Fey Union.
Cure Potency: 400
Faerie Gauge is depleted while HP is restored. Fey Union effect fades upon execution of other faerie actions. Party member must be within 15 yalms."
Mentions the pact will end if you have the fairy use one of its own skills but doesn't mention needing to be stationery nor the using it removes any fairy buffs active prior ._____."
@@Beraka114 Or just make Aetherpact a passive "copy paste" heal like AST's Synastry - I normally wouldn't be in favor of homogenization, but the channel does feel clunky to use.
@@kou7191 do you mean replace embrace to aeterpact?? If yes no its to strong
Thanks, watching this was cathartic. I have seen so many people talking about how 'Scholar is powerful actually' and I am like 'Yeah, that is not the problem'
I thought I just played SCH wrong
Until I saw this and I realize
I'm a Masochist
The reason we complain is the same reason in masochist session. "It hurts! But more please"
Thank you. This is a perfect summary for people who need to have it spelt out for them.
Scholar good, not fun. Assuming your aren't a masochist.
Your job identity rant made me realize something: Scholar is supposed to be the smart healer that plans ahead, which is why it uses shields. Meanwhile the class with the skills that need planning ahead is Astrologian; Earthly Star and Horoscope.
Scholar used to be way more about planning ahead in the past. We've lost multiple mitigation abilities and preshielding tank busters doesn't feel quite as necessary these days
Scholar is my favorite job out of the healers based solely on the lore and feel of the job but I’d say you hit the nail on the head with all the minor grievances that add up to be a major annoyance. Too much jank, lack of cohesiveness and no identity are the exact reasons I’ve drifted more towards Astro in the last expansion.
SCH's that job where it feels amazing when everything actually works, but getting to that point feels like someone is pulling each of your teeth out with cattle wire.
Love the class in dungeons and 24 man raids because I don't have to think about healing, I can actively ignore the tank and be rewarded for that lack of concern because of how strong the kit is. However in Savage it's just so damn clunky and I feel punished for trying to plan out my casts when the server seems to just toss a coin as to whether or not it recognizes my button inputs on any particular encounter. I once had Fey Blessing take eight seconds to cast in Savage. Eight seconds where I had to spam another heal and muck up my rotation, only for it to go off once the party was at full. It's infuriating.
As a SMN player I feel a fair bit of this too, especially pet jank and having to press 500 buttons to do the same as another classes 1 button. But I love it
Much as I appreciate your dry humor, I also appreciate that you can base it on a core of serious criticism. You're exactly right on all counts (and even revealed aspects of SCH that I had not realized were a problem because I don't raid).
Here's hoping SCH gets the love it needs....eventually.
they should just call it a mitigation healer vs shield healer tbh. the level 90 skill doesn't even shield, it's mitigation and movement speed
They'd need to give us back Eye For An Eye and Supervirus first!
wait, THAT is their lv 90 spell (or ability?) I thought it was just a new toy to play with while leveling lol
@@kou7191 Nope. In the leaked tooltips it's their level 90 ability. It's literally Peoten and Ractician rolled into one lol.
All i want is a skill that's just reverse Emergency Tactics. Turn lustrate into a Thicc ass shield. But nah, we get combat pelo T_T
This. For a “shield class”, scholar needs bigger shields than just hoping for adlo to crit…
As far as aesthetics/identity go, Noct is a LOT better at being a shield healer, because they actually have a lot of shields.
Good point. Also, why doesn't "the" shield healer have an oGCD shield? Both Astro sects have one.
Hire this man.
Oh my God I literally made a whole ass outline about my problems with scholar and it's like you literally took every single point and said them word for word. Like literally almost *every single one* I'm going insane, I feel so validated.
Great video! I started playing a few months ago and chose Scholar because I was a Disc Priest in WoW (which seems to basically be what Sage is, shields and doing dps to heal), so I felt more comfortable healing with mitigation. You have some great ways of describing it. It really is annoying and anti-synergistic, and there's definitely lots of clunkiness (aetherpact and the way it has to be manually canceled to get the fairy to move if it didn't break, that that and dissipation lose us the ability to use other fairy skills, and, yeah, energy drain makes absolutely no sense). I hope that they are improving more than just what they said (or maybe their pretty off hand comment about pet stuff will be a complete overhaul, we can only hope lol).
I really love the job lore, the class quest was great, that our auto attack is hitting someone with a book is hilarious. I wish they could somehow take what we experience as solo players and put it into actual group content.
I'll probably still be playing it in EW, though, because if nothing else, I'll be speed boosting myself while soloing old content for relics or whatever.
Having levelled all three healer classes now, and done duty roulette and some hard content to the point I am in danger of getting I crown, I think each has its complexity honestly. White mage has a lot of weaving to line up right if you want to DPS optimally and you gotta line up three GCDs to manage your actual burst. It also has to keep a lot of plates spinning if you have content with a lot of debuffs. Astrologian has to play Magic: The Gathering all the time and it is easy to forget when you're panic healing. They also basically don't exist under 50 these days, when they don't have their mana tools you're basically going to be weaving Lucid Dreaming back to back if you're playing optimally and that about tells you the level of suffering we're on there.
But the big difference I find between Astro/White Mage, and Scholar, is it mostly *makes sense*. The rotations are intuitive, you don't have to worry too much about things as long as you keep a weather eye on your partys health and buffs, and it doesn't feel like going into a DPS phase dooms your party, and focussing on healing doesn't feel like you're basically throwing out DPS.
So much of scholar feels in contradiction to yourself. It is the class equivalent of having to rub your stomach and pat your head at the same time. This is both why it's loved and hated. People who love it feel that "sense of pride and accomplishment" at managing to get through a mechanically-complex class which is quite complicated to get to grips with and optimize. Those that don't often feel like WHM and AST do in 1-3 buttons what SCH does in five. I can physically feel my blood pressure rise when that stuff happens on SCH.
Personally, I use Scholar the least of the three healers because I don't feel like having a fucking heart attack every time someone gets resurrected or the DRK uses Living Dead for the nth time. And can someone tell the GNB to stop shooting themselves? I just ate my fairy. I'm only half joking - the real problem I have with scholar is I feel that someone else playing suboptimally or just getting in a bad spot for whatever other reason means I have to reinvent the wheel. AST has Essential Dignity, WHM has Benediction and Tetragammon. SCH gets to lay Sacred Soil and play the keyboard like they're trying out for doing Ninja shit.
I personally don't mind it per se, but I find it exhausting to play in longer sessions, so I end up just favouring AST or WHM. But that's just one moderately mediocre healer's opinion.
loved to see you return to us for more suffering, pain and energy drain
Hot Take: Dissipation should guarantee next spell crits, so you can guarantee Adlo crits on cooldown, or pump it into more offense if that's what you need
What like... Recitation?
I wouldnt mind 2 recitation charges lol
thank you for this video, it's spot on for a lot of its current problems. I'm hoping dissipation can just be a 60s CD that gives 1 aetherflow w/o eating the faerie, i feel like that would make it comfy to use
Thanks Chair for not putting music in your vids. it means I can game with music while I listen to you
8:26 i can't believe you pull a fast one on us
im literally shaking and crying rn
My "hope" for SCH is, because Sage is dropping, SE doesn't want to do any drastic changes to SCH before knowing how well recieved Sage is - If Sage feels great, then the role of "tactical shield healer" becomes solidly filled, and would give Square a proper direction to take SCH into; namely "pet focused shield healer".
Scholar has been dragging design concepts that have become the anti-synergistic problems we have right now since the days of ARR and HW. Back then, all healers had the disconnect between choosing damage and healing, except SCH. Everything in its kit since then has been designed with this philosophy of "if you do this you can't do that."
I think what SCH needs is an update that focuses more on big payoffs for charging the fey gauge, but they don't seem to think it needs help at all, so....
Just got my 6th clear of e12s on SCH and agree with most of the points here. I think if Fey Blessing had less of a cd and dissipation affected all healing and buffed damage they'd be in a better place. Fairy Jank is half of the preplanning aspect of the job and idk I enjoy it. WHM will probably remain the SAM of healers, AST will do it's thing, and we'll be one of dozens of scholars still in the game, Dozens!
i doubt it, sch will always be useful as long as it has chain, which sge doesn't have. whm popularity has always been baffling to me considering how ast is so much better, and it looks like the gap between whm and ast is going to become even bigger in endwalker, as ast got a bunch of dps buttons while whm got... another ogcd heal on a gigantic cooldown
Hit the nail on the head to say the least. This is exactly how I feel on the SCH.
SCH feels like i have to work more, for the same result. But SCH is fun in Dungeons, i dont have to heal at all most of the time, cause Selene does the work for me.
I actually prefer sch in dungeon cuz I over regen won't result in aggro and spamming art of war is effective, although can get boring
Yeah same, I love that shit. Put down sacred soil, give your tank excog and regen and then dump your entire mana bar on spamming art of war into the trash pull. Idk it's a lot more fun than the other healers for me but I definitely see the issues people have.
Thanks for touching on a lot of the problems I've been complaining about for months. One thing I'd personally like to see change is to Adloquium+Deployment Tactics/Recitation/Emergency Tactics. As it stands, if you want to deploy an adloquium, you need to do a full GCD Adlo, and then OGCD deploy it which requires either a Ruin II to follow or a well timed DoT refresh to get a weave window. I'm omitting Swift Adlo as a possibility in these scenarios because that would just add another OGCD to weave and instead add a weave window at the beginning. So a deployed Adlo which is already clunky on its own would take roughly 1 full GCD and at minimum up to the 1st weave window in your next GCD just to get a shield up. Doing a Recitation Adlo (Which can be useful for dungeons) has a similar problem. Hell, putting Adlo on the tank is annoying prepull because they're gonna wanna keep moving through the dungeon like anyone would and you want to put a shield on him which has a full cast time. Meanwhile, AST and WHM can put down their regen on the tank as an instant cast. Meanwhile, I'm not even sure what they want to do with Emergency Tactics when Succor is already a bum skill.
Imagine how nice it would be if Adloquium was instant cast. You could put Recitation + Adlo on the tank on the move between pulls, Adlo YOURSELF ahead of time to then deploy onto the tank once his shield depletes within that OGCD window. I don't think this is unreasonable in the slightest when Nocturnal AST can put their shield down instantly. And yeah, the 'Scholar is fine' comments really annoy me, because they tend to read as someone who doesn't know what they're on about.
Thank GOD for that Broil change though. It's a good step in the right direction.
SCH was my first healer and felt very fun....until I realized I didn't have to be tortured for playing when I tried AST. Goddamn do I love AST.
As a SCH main, literally the only time I remember I have Dissipation is my opener, when I die and need aetherflow to recover, and when I've exhausted all other options (looking at you e12s Titan phase). It's just so dangerous and/or inconvenient to use, I just end up almost never using it. :D I love SCH but also oh my god I hate it too D:
I'm an astro main but I absolutely love scholar.
I just experienced the flaw in excog during an UwU run, basically excog not activating because the tank survived aether boom with 52% hp, then he proceeded to die to a 2nd boom, thanks excog.
Awesome video!
i havent felt anything quite like "offloading responsibility to your cohealer" in so long
Nailed it. I don't main SCH {PLD main) but my preferred healer to play is SCH... and I have no idea why.
"God damn it, I pressed a button, and my attack came out." In fact, fighting games are uniquely the genre that makes me feel this way.
Ill never forget the old pet placement bug where wiping in a primal fight and resummoning your fairy would snap it back to where you had it placed so she would IMMEDIATELY run out and pull the boss bc she was still targetable :^)
The people who say sch have no identity are wrong. Its identity is the stoned kid who sleeps during class and still manages to be one of the top students
What do I get for doing it 'fictitiously' correct to make you produce your "big brain stimulating juices"?
so true king
no coping, no dooming, just fax, we love to see it
Thank you for putting my thoughts into words
Agree 100% as a Scholar (who purely got since I was maining Summoner when I started). Was put off Astrologian purely because of the card RNG. But once the changes hit, I may try it.
I have all 3 healers at 80
And idk, i get what you’re saying and I agree its a bit janky but at the end of the day SCH just feels like the most fun to play.
You sound EXACTLY how I'd imagine a scholar main to sound like.
The true sch mains yes. We love our class, but acknowledge it's jank as all hell and punishing when our party isn't performing well. The fact that we don't have access to instaheals all the time means we have to heal more to make our shields effective. It's absolutely bonkers but damn if seeing a Crit Adlo doesn't pump up my dopamine levels.
I honestly don't mind certain SCH abilities even if they are janky and work against themselves. I would welcome changes, yes, definitely. But currently what worries me the worst is the perspective of having to spam Broil for two more years.
I love scholar for one reason. Watching raid wide damage do absolutely nothing. Yes that means I press succor every now and again. I’m not a high end raider so I don’t have to be optimal all the time. But I do legitimately enjoy the job and I’m not trading it for sage any time soon.
I'd started as Arcanist because pet classes are my favorite. It's a shame YoshiP seems to hate pet classes!
Aspects of having a pet got removed, gutting the concept of having one in the first place, but leaving Summoner and Scholar with the jank of the pet thanks to spells that get cast through said pet.
I dont play tanks or healers but i still watch you guides since i find them funny
I only play astro out of the healers and it's become my main class, I have an answer to everything so I know how easy it is to just heal someone, for whatever reason good healers are sometimes hard to find, but a scholar never let's me down, they try their hardest out of all the healers and it shows. I'm also a sprout who's played for like 60 something days, and am at the newer ultima weapons segment of shadowbringers. so that's only a short time of expereince.
It might be the copium, but I'm actually really excited for the new mitigation + speed boost ability. It would have been really comfy to have for certain mechanics that needed a lot of movement as well as some damage mitigation from the last raid tier. Like for instance: e9s' anti-air/wide angle into light party aoe (or just tiles in general, lol), e10s' wall orbs (followed by raidwide), e12s' titan and lions phases.
there is no copium tbh SCH is and still will be high end meta thanks to the combination of Chain Stratagem and ok personal dps. SGE might just get the WHM treatment where yes it has high af selfish damage it wont just reach the rdps of "support" healers. Its fine number and mechanic wise... its just clunk af
movement speed buff it´s kind of bad, it fucks so much more than help.
I kind of miss the ability to spread miasma and bio to nearby targets while i could focus on damage mitigation and recovery. That aside, I still enjoy the class.
Listen sometimes I wanna actually think during a dungeon or make play harder during an extreme ; so yes I am a masochist sch main stop calling me out BRO
"Imagine using an regen on a target and then using an AoE heal, and it takes away the regen and now you have to reapply it."
Don't WoW druids have an ability like this?
Swiftmend(single target heal) eats a regen effect. You can get a special legendary item that removes the regen requirement to cast Swiftmend.
Yes but it also was a huge heal because it eats the Regen but heals for the full Regen at once. So unlike here it was an amazing burst heal tool
Only if the regen gets eaten _without doing anything._ I never played Restoration Druid, but Swiftmend doesn't simply *erase* the regen without giving you something in return. SCH stuff does take things away without any benefit for having applied it.
Druid actually works well and that functionality is not a hindrance. That's why it's consistently such a strong healer.
@@dntthe88 SCH is also a consistently strong healer, literally being meta since its inception. SCH's problems are not strength.
This is a good video, I like your content a lot and I'm glad you keep producing it!
I kind of generally agree with most of the points here, and maybe this is just delusional rationalizing but when you start comparing to other healers and how smooth they are I'm just like "yeah but that's why they're so boring". I get that we're just never going back to HW or even SB era healing but god do all 3 healers right now feel so interchangeable and bland. At least based on the tooltips; between sacred soil and the new movement speed meme skill, SCH seems more firmly placed in the "mitigation and shielding" camp than it did previously
My dream changes/additions are really more just like... idk give us more to do with the faerie gauge because as you mentioned aetherpact is simultaneously underwhelming and clunky and I'd be more than happy to have it either removed or something I can do in downtime to actively apply a shield or something instead.
I am so painfully WHM that the moment I see the house I recognize it.
Glutton for punishment (SCH player) here. I personally don't find Dissipation to be that awkward, but then I mostly use scholar in dungeons, not trials and raids. In trash pulls, it feels great to do the fight, use your fairy abilities and aetherflow stacks, then immediately before the pull dies dissipate. Both the lack of fairy abilities and the awkward way that you can't charge the fairy gauge goes away because she's back for the next pull, and when the tank is mitigating effectively I often have more aetherflow than I need when doing this. This also pumps your adlo, which is good to use between trash fights. I 100% agree with changing energy drain, however, it seems very bad to introduce that tension between doing damage and healing, particularly when some groups screen players on their dps parses. And even if you just wasted aetherflow by not having a dump for it, white mage has the same thing with your lilies being full and you not using them because nobody needs healing.
Im one of the scholars that abandoned it. used to run nothing but it through HW and Stormblood. But I just couldnt hack it anymore. This damn class feels like shoving needles under my fingernails.
Scholar is my main healer and I literally never eat my fairy, problem solved (not really)
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Ah yes, Energy Drain, the skill that people whined about so much being removed to the point they put it back in is also one of the big reasons the job feels rough. I remember when they removed it from SCH, there was so much complaining about it that they put it back in the game, made it overpowered originally, then nerfed it.
I guess, based on my assumptions from the live letter because no one totally leaked any SCH tooltips that I totally didn't read, they're adding more mitigation to their kit but they aren't fixing anything else about the job.
It was just as broken if not even more so without energy drain, because it meant you randomly overhealed on your weave spots because you genuinely had no other use for aetherflow, people hated launch scholar because of the lack of energy drain, it would be fine if xiv was a game with lots of constant damage that forced you to actually use your resources but that's not the game we have and scholar is more deeply flawed than just energy drain, that button is just a convenient excuse when the job is fundamentally broken this expansion
@@imshail Aetherflow needing a cheap damage dump is the fundamental problem because it means SCH is still tied to being based on ACN/SMN. Them just going back to ED is a crutch and the fundamental problem with the job. They have fairy gauge and refuse to expand on it. WHM can use heals to recover damage (or gain in some situations) but SCH has to choose between healing and damage, and Energy Drain IS THE REASON
Until they decide to let Aetherflow build Fairy Gauge and let that gauge be a source of damage, Energy Drain will continue to be a problem for the damage rotation of SCH. This is partly due to the devs not being creative or willing to take a risk, but also because SCH's refuse to let them.
@@sequences8942 except that's still pretty horrible design especially now that it has a lowered gcd because it would just lead into overhealing with random ogcds to generate fairy gauge to convert into damage leading us back to the original problem
@@sequences8942 I'm not sure if you got the issue they were actually talking about. It's not about a damage dump specifically, it's about having ANY kind of dump that's actually productive. When we didn't have ED, we'd reach moments in like dungeons where damage output hadn't been that rough for a while and we'd find ourselves still sitting on 2 stacks while the cooldown for aetherflow is coming back up. Using aetherflow on cooldown has always been essential for SCH's MP management, and once they introduced the fairy gauge it became more important to also make sure you were using all 3 stacks during each cooldown cycle.
Going back to that situation where you'd have 2 stacks still unused while the cooldown was coming back up that left us with literally no good options. We could not use the cooldown and hold onto our 2 stacks until they were needed, but that'd mess up our MP management. We could burn the cooldown anyway to preserve MP even if it would only generate 1 stack, but that starts to mess with your fairy gauge and disincentivses building it up. Or we could burn both stacks on overhealing Lustrates, generating the fairy gauge and preserving MP flow but at the cost of it literally being one of the most wasteful-feeling things you could do with any job. These moments were FAR more frustrating and grating than any amount of "damage or heals" choice we've had to make since they gave us Energy Drain back, because there was literally no good options to take.
Energy Drain was necessary for those moments because it gave us a "dump skill" that would always be at least somewhat useful. It wasn't the damage that people were clamouring for to have back, it was having literally anything productive to do with excess aetherflow stacks. If you don't want Energy Drain around that's fine, but without some serious reworks (which it doesn't sound like we're getting with Endwalker) the job NEEDS something useful to spend aetherflow on even when nobody needs healing. It could be a version of Lustrate that shields rather than heals, that way even if it's an "overheal" it still benefits. Or maybe a skill that consumes your leftover stacks to generate 20-30 fairy gauge per stack rather than the normal 10 so you can kind of bank that additional benefit for later. Energy Drain just works well as a "dump skill" because damage is never not useful. But whatever it is, unless we get some outlet for excess aetherflow, then Energy Drain needs to stay. I'd rather have slight clunkiness in the "damage vs healing" question than go back to the days where Lustrate was the only "dump skill" we had.
@@imshail That's not a problem for White Mage because they created a time gate for it. It's not perfect but they have no reason to overheal except in specific situations where they can't use a DPS GCD because it is a DPS loss to use their guage on a heal for a later Misery if they can cast Glare/Dia. You're also just wrong because Faerie Gauge doesn't build until you have AF to spend, and burning AF doesn't get you AF any faster. If you retain the time gate on additional stacks (possibly remove Dissipation and instead give the Seraph the healing buff and keep it to 3 stacks per 60s) then there would be no reason to overheal pointlessly, as long as they require you to use Faerie Gauge once it hits a threshold (not unlike how you can't use BRD's gauge until it hits 50).
And that's just fitting the idea into the job currently. With minor tweaks to the whopping 2 skills that use Faerie Gauge, you could make it simply be additional damage. Of course there are other ways to take it as well.
The fact that Shield still take 1000 MP blows my mind to this day
And it’s a crap shield unless it crits…
never thought ill see Melty blood here. As an old tsukihime and mb fans, it really fills my heart.
kohaku best waifu(whisper)
The one new ability they get in Endwalker allows people to run out of Sacred Soil faster.
you've made me cry. please take responsibility
It sounds like a barbecue where the smoke always follows you 360 degrees around the fire and you end up eating half burned and half raw steak with tears in your eyes
The full kit leaked, and SCH is also getting 180% galvanize and catalyze (160% on succor) as well as 90 second deploy, so maybe scholar will actually feel like a barrier healer for once. It's still insane that dissipation is unchanged (given Sage's 180 cd is a hot and AST is keeping neutral sect fully intact)
thing is ... all thoses skill are still skill that you don't wanna use if you start optimizing a bit. Espacially now with the free weaving on broil. The goal will be to use our Numerous ogcd without using gcd heal...ever
I never understood why I hated scholar so bad; I couldn't tell if I was bad or if the class was bad and this video confirmed it for me. it's both, lol.
"I could go through a list... so i will"
xDD 10/10
Because we have 4 healers now, like tanks, you can easily find what job among the role gets the short stick. I've seen the tooltips on SCH and the tanks too. SCH really is looking to ve the DRK of the healers - it coasts off of the HW hype by players that cope with how it currently is and has counterintuitive design with a couple of actions fighting over a similar resources such as Energy Drain versus Lustrate and Sacred Soil. Like how DRK has to consider of TBN will break and be worth it or losing damage in a FoS/EoS.
As an ARR Scholar you didn't even get into half of my complaints haha. I miss what Scholar used to be, it was so much more complex and fun back in the day. If they gave me even a few DoTs and manual Embrace back I'd be applauding them
° Manual pet control (and removing pet CD from GCD)
• be able to use Consolation right away
• give back Quickened Aetherflow
• More faerie gauge usage
• Selene
• Shorter CD on emergency tactics, or let it be toggled or something like OG Cleric
• Lower MP cost or higher shield potency to account for the difference
• Return our DoTs (& Bane)
this vid made me realize that i play scholar a lot differently than i probably should
Honestly I only realized I could lvl scholar at the same time when I saw there was only one base class for 2 jobs, so I used the EXP to get the scholar soul stone to speed up summoner and used summoner to 60 for free trial and went "oh shit! I forgot it leveled this healer too" but God do none of the abilities make sense after lvling WHM as my actual back up heal class
Strong job at the cost of clungkynes that's sch identity
I think something people overlook is the bastardization of Scholar’s aesthetic. Sage does the nerd thing better, and Summoner does the, well, SUMMONING thing better. It’s the only job that shares weapons with its cousin, and most of the cool ones are geared towards SMN anyways. Between this and the clunky way SCH plays, it feels like a class where Sage is the job imo, something even Alphinaud recognized.
Edit: Some people are angry I didn't specify that "Ackshually, SCH is a nerd from a DIFFERENT place so ha". So, uh, yeah you guys got me. SCH is perfect as is.
Technically SCH is more of a Nym Nerd. They should add an ability that lets me transform into a Tonberry and stab the enemy.
@@Toksyuryel I'm not really sure what a Nym Nerd is, but I think Sage's sleeker, more refined nerdiness really just solidifies them as a straight upgrade, at least aesthetically imo. I agree that you should be able to stab gods as a Tonberry though
@@prawn1717 The Scholar job comes from the Nym civilization. I'm going to guess you have not done the SCH job quests.
Scholar is an arcanist that learned to summon a faerie that heals and learned the arcanima spells that ancient Nymians used to keep their people protected and alive. It's literally there in the lore.
@@Toksyuryel I skipped the cutscenes for it, sue me I guess. Not really talking about the lore though, just the aesthetic.
You forgot about one other quirk of Energy Drain that comes from it taking Aetherflow- it gives *every single one* of your Aetherflow heals a hidden 500 MP cost. Because every time you slap a button, you can't use that button for Energy drain, costing you damage AND the MP. It's the *only* one of the healers currently with that problem (although those supposed leaks do have a fix for that particular quirk in that they show Aetherflow as giving 2k and ED not giving any)
I'm a newbie who just finished the story up to current playing SCH the whole time. Personally I enjoyed it, the jank was something to adjust for but I thought it was just a quirk of the job. I do like stacking abilities like Recitation + Adlo + Deployment. In any game at high-end the cracks in every playstyle are gonna show, that's just the nature of it. I donno, maybe my opinion will change if I get into the highend stuff.
Another thing to add to the list is that if you eat the faerie and use energy drain it doesn't fill the faerie gauge. It should fill up the gauge regardless of the faerie
I find Scholar best for many/most dungeons, honestly. The passive healing is often enough barring issues, slapping excog on the tank handles trash unless you're doing wall to wall pulls and it frees you to use your instant cast AoE to help burn down that trash.
Just saw the healer tooltup leaks I do like the new tank cooldown we are getting. And the speed buff is 20 secs with raid wide mitigation. So I'm somewhat optimistic
The new buffs seem good. Won't make dissipation and fey union any less terrible tho. Well at least they aren't adding more contrarian junk on SCH.
I'm about level 70 now and never eat my fairy. Instead I use emergency tactics for big heals. Then I use adlo and succor when everyone is heals for some protection.
I couldn't like this video enough. Excellent points on why Scholar players have a love-hate relationship with the job.
I am one of those cohealers that had responsibilities pushed on them by their scholar cohealer at one point
their dps was still shit and i was rolling like 97s and 98s in healing on the regular just to clear
As someone who not only never even unlocked a heal job, but who doesnt play Magic classes at all I had no fucking idea what he said. The whole video.
i'm a glutton for punishment, so i pick scholar on purpose. ive tried the other two healers and just dont have any fun on them. i need that constant calculation and risk to keep blood flowing to my brain. same reason i play disc priest on WoW. its just tougher and requires more planning. so the difficulty of sch is why i love it. though aetherpact dropping when i click another faerie ability is actual bullshit and that needs to change for sure. when i click aetherpact that shit better stay up until my faerie dries out. that is all. good video.
also it happened a bunch of times to me when i summon seraph and use the aoe regen a bit to late before seraph goes away it goes on cd and the aoe regen was not even used like this is so tilting
Was a scholar main in Heavensward and Stormblood. Went through Shadowbringers with it, but couldn't. Just couldn't play it more. I love the idea of a pet healer, but goddamn does it feel jank.
I feel a little bad for scholar not getting any big change in game-play (as is shown in showcase), but I really get furious on the cast time change.
The only thing that make SCH feel good is the on demand instant cast ruin 2, and now ruin 2 will become a DPS loss even when used to weave.
I'm so sad i quit healing...
it will still be a potency gain over the 0 potency of not casting when on heavy movement phases, or learning the fight.
The cast time change was needed. Healing game has shifted to OGCD healing since goddamn Heavesward. The rationale for AST getting 1.5s cast times was that it had too many OGCDs to press, but so did other healers! It was insane that they kept full cast time for this long and thought taking DPS loss to weave (and SCH needs to weave a lot) was in any way satisfying.
Made my own raid group for Endwalker. Now I can play what I want instead of being shoved to shield healer duty in statics.
I was putting up with SCH's weird gameplay in Stormblood because the faerie felt like it actually had a meaningful heal and it was really fun having 2 to 3 poisons on the enemies. Poison stacking is super fun to me. So it felt hard for me to play, but also it felt fun and I was trying really hard to master it even if I sucked at it.
This changed in Shadowbringer with the healer rework because, ugh... it's just too much effort for a job which only fun ability is excog right now. Faerie feels like shit, heals feel weak, shields feel awful unless they're a crit... I just can't be bothered anymore.
That could get me into trying Sage because I'm allergic to WHM and too dumb for AST.
Ironically, I figured Dissipation worked about as what you described - just I thought it applied to ALL heals, not just GCD ones.
I tried to play Scholar, and unfortunately, having mained White Mage since Stormblood, the benefits of Scholar just feel supremely outweighed by the sheer clunkiness and lack of QoL improvements. I know it's useful af, but if I wanna heal, why heal with frustration?
Astro on the other hand... oh man I can rant for days on Astro. Still sitting at sub-50 with it, ever since 4.4. >>
Astro is fine though :/
lol astro is the best healer by far, a bunch of ogcds, best weave, best utility, can go shield or regen and sinergy with the other healer, never gets out of mana and is THE best for high level content!