Why YouTube is So Negative (And Why We Love It)
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2024
- Why does UA-cam feel so negative sometimes? And is it really a bad thing?
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thats why you and critical do videos, outrage or not to make money its not a difficult concept--at least the so called outrage merchants are not shilling for Disney or Amazon praising products to keep their medi access and benefits.There is something about gatekeeping that helps society while shilling stagnates society.
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I spent time on 9gag... best investment of my time ever!
It was such a breath of fresh air to be able to say exactly what I thought without filter and get the same from others. It's strange but you suddenly become aware of just how docile you are made by mainstream social platforms.
In mainstream comment sections and content everything is fake and sanitized and if you've ever posted right-leaning or non-mainstream comments or content you will know that they get deleted, and you get a warning, timeout or outright banned. That means all the content making t through to eyeballs is the approved narrative, or sufficiently muted as to not rock the boat. That's why content creators will say "Bint" to refer to a female dog where the female dog is actually human, or use the term "grape" for... you know r****pe.(
Sometimes, it takes a TON of negativity to echo the fact that we need to reflect on what made things positive in the first place
Sometimes we need someone to slap off the rose-tinted glasses we tend to wear and see some of the bitter reality of what's going on in the world and what's become of media
personally, I want to hear both sides of an argument to find something I didn't notice before.
We can hate Velma the show all we want, but see some small good things like giving Shaggy more than just being a good glutton
We just need to hear the good and bad of a project and see how we can form our own opinions rather than parroting the ones of others
@@theanimeunderworld8338 Indeed. Gotta try to see both sides as much as possible to be as fair with our critiques as possible (unlike some other people)
Gotta know what you don't like, too.
@@tyreni Yup
True. A large enough outcry gives a good signal to get back to what works
Toxic Positivity really is a thing. It's like a shield people try to throw up when they're sneakily doing crummy things.
For me it's just to have someone to talk to. I've watched practically everything I love turn to garbage. Unfortunately, all of my friends are apologists who'll drink any swill that's put before them. They say I complain too much. It was nice to see I wasn't the only one who felt this way and be able to express it.
Right now that catharsis is more important than ever. I get very frustrated hearing variations of “why can’t you just watch it even if it isn’t great?”. Because I value my time too much to pretend to love garbage! Everyone is settling for terribly entertainment and it’s just leading to more and more of it
@@gregowen2022 I think I'd respond with, "imagine asking someone who's just had some terrible food placed in front of them, 'why can't you just consume it even if it isn't great?'" If you're not starving, why eat something that you don't like, especially if there's something delicious further down the table?
This is exactly what drew me to the Drinker in the first place. So many people I know always defend overly progressive bs in media, either because they're too afraid to speak out against it, or they just accept whatever slop is thrown their way. For awhile, I felt like I was going crazy harbouring these feelings of resentment towards things like TLJ, post-Endgame MCU, the Last of Us pt 2, Dr. Who S12, etc. Watching Drinker's analyses of western pop culture's deterioration made me realize I wasn't going insane, and that there are in fact many out there who are just as sick of all this garbage as I am. His content, (along with similar channels in that sphere like Nerdrotic, Echo Chamberlain, HeelVsBabyFace, Itsagundam, Eric July, etc.), are incredibly vindicating because they articulate something that you've been feeling, but are unable to express outwardly, for a long long time. These commentators are essentially cauterizing our wounds
Me too, it's so tiring feeling like you're the only sane person to know and wondering if you really ARE being too harsh
@@gnarwhal7562perfectly put.👍🏼
Media is filled with commentators that are too positive. This is due to:
- gaining access
- keeping access
- ensuring sponsors are happy.
That's why UA-cam is where people go to watch honest videos about entertainment, news, sports, etc.
If Greg ever meets The Critical Drinker there is a 100% chance he will call him 'dad'
Who's calling who?
@@MumRahdrinker would def call Greg dad
They can mutually be dads to each other. This is modern times
I'd love to see that 😆
@@admthrawnuru It sounds creepy when you put it that way. 😂
I’d push back a little to say; yes, I go watch the drinker for primarily negative commentary, but I don’t do that with Moviewise or Jeremy Jahns. It’s whether the video is on brand for the channel that matters, not whether it’s negative. I don’t go to an irish bar for their Sushi, and I wouldn’t go to an ice cream shop for their dirty Martini.
I think that dovetails into Greg's analysis more than you think.
Drinker liked Fallout. The show where his guests told him that he was wrong (Disparu and Reaper) was hilarious. But Drinker published that criticism. "Drinker's Chasers - The Great Fallout Debate". I value honest reviews. Positive, negative and challenged.
@@Upintheairideas Probably, I just think it's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that there's a universal negativity inherent to the platform, when the reality is somewhat more complicated. I'd be much more interested in a positive review from Greg than a positive review from Drinker... And I PREFER positive analysis from channels like Moviewise or Jeremy Jahns over hearing about movies they dislike.
Thank you for actually talking about this from a more nuanced perspective as opposed to the usual "people bad. people love negativity and hate positivity" crap.
Greg needs more subscribers. He has consistently some of the best takes, and even when he's wrong he is wrong reasonably and willing to admit it
The internet absolutely needs more nuance. The all good or all bad tribalism isn't healthy. The why's are important!
There’s one other reason we watch “negative” videos, and it’s one of the most frustrating reasons: we want to be heard.
We’re like the Whos in the dust mote on Horton’s flower screaming “WE ARE HERE!” at the top of our lungs hoping that our “like” or our comment will be the “yop” that finally breaks through that impregnable force field of the media/Hollywood ideological bubble. We hope that our volume on UA-cam will finally get through to someone at Disney, or Warners, or Paramount, or Sony and someone somewhere might say, “hey, wait a minute. These people might possibly, maybe just have a point . . .”
"It stinks!"
-the greatest critic ever
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"Yes, Mr Sherman. Everything stinks."
@@chuckliquor3663 Hey self-promo isn't evil.
IMHO, we also enjoy negative videos because we are always expected to be polite, non-confrontational in most social environments. It is refreshing to sometimes just shed these limitations and just call out the BS for what it is.
In an odd way it's somewhat refreshing. You see the "critics called this 'The Movie of the Year." Then you see an honest review of it and I think to myself, "omg, so I'm NOT crazy?! Others agree with me!"
I love negative critique (compared to "It's fine" analysis). It teaches me (generally) more about good writing than examples that are just "fine".
I think that depends on if the critique is presented well and makes some sense. There are plenty of negative reviewers who will find any excuse to call something woke/imperialist/patriarchal/capitalist/communist and will bend reality itself to make their views “true”. Some of drinker’s guests definitely fall into this trap and give ammunition to folks who play the istaphobe card.
Sometimes we need someone to spell out the things we feel. Like when we see a shitty movie and every mainstream media seems to praise it, we need someone credible to speak our mind. It's not the negativity we crave, it's the Comradery.
one of us!
The woman King? Netflix's documentary Cleopatra? 🤣😂🤣
Well, a lot of people on UA-cam bash the exact same things, so I don't see how that applies.
@@ShamanSage56 of us sweetheart.
While 2 people agree with you.
@@magistersolis.3750 huh? agree w wut?
You've really been killing it with insightful, nuanced takes. Among the commenters in this Libertarian/Conservative space, you're one I look to the most lately because I know I can trust you to have a thoughtful view that can be incisive without being unnecessarily vitriolic. Bravo.
My absolute favorite type of review/critic videos is the rewrite.
I love hearing critics explain how they would fix a bad story or switch things around to have characters function better.
Ironically, I started watching negative reviews to avoid toxicity. I call it "toxic positivity": When I first saw The Last Jedi, I thought I was crazy because it seemed like everybody on reddit thought it was amazing and that anybody that didn't like it was clearly just a bigot/incel/sexist. The Critical Drinker helped me feel not so crazy and that there were other people who felt the exact same way as me. The Drinker will poke fun at people that disagree with him a bit, but it's nothing compared to the vitriol that's thrown by people that make "positive reviews." It's a lot like that old expression about politics: "critics of modern woke writing think the other side is just sorely mistaken, fans of modern woke writing think the other side is evil."
Edit: wow, I really need to just finish your videos. You covered my exact issue in the last 3 minutes.
If a progressive ever says "WhY Do yOu CarE So MucH anYWay?!" They absolutely care a great deal about whatever they're making fun of you for caring about. I'm not sure how they started thinking this self-burn was a clever gotcha.
Majority of people outside the internet and fandom can careless, they go yea i seen this movie it was bad or it was good, than they move on. I never and thank god got into a dumb debate over something i'm going to not care in the next few days. Them reddit folks are something else, straight stalk your very existence
Your first mistake was going to Reddit. They literally delete comments they don’t like on there.
@@dannysmi7162That was the beginning of the end of reddit for me. It's been really interesting seeing how they've changed over the last 10 years. Comparing what's said on subreddits to real world data like box office returns really shows you how delusional that place can get.
Hahah, yeah Reddit gets WILD. I discovered I was mentioned in some subreddit called SaltierThanKrait I think, and no one there liked me, but then I perused the other topics and realized where I had stumbled into. Reddit gets tribal so fast
I came across that this morning with people trying to insult others for caring so much about the wonkiness of the upcoming AC game.
"You're a bunch of babies, why do you care so much?" And I said "You cared enough to insult people who criticize the makings of this game."
Honestly Greg, this was the perfect summation of how jaded I've become with modern entertainment and why I've gone back to rewatching a lot of TV shows and movies from the early 2000's. I think this drastic shift in Hollywood has made me reassess my priorities and I missed out on so many interesting shows that I'm in a way kind of glad I can watch now but am also nostalgic for this simple kind of shows that's not riddled with some underlying biased political or social message.
For example, I loved the old Disney and their 2D animated movies, especially the Renaissance ones from the 90's. I grew up with those movies and dreamed of becoming an animator myself. Specifically, I love character design and creating new ideas and concepts for interesting personalities and backstories. I had my own unique ideas if I were to become an animator and had ambitions of creating my own original Princess stories if I were to work for them. I even taught myself how to draw, so I could one day practice how to draw stills and moving frames. Heck, I even bought myself a tablet to practice on due to the shift to 3D movies, that's how interested I was in the dream.
Now fast forward to today and the Disney I once knew and loved has become a shell of its former self, that is in no small part thanks to Bob Iger, his yes-men board of directors and the DEI implementation that has ruined the past slate of recent movies. The last movie I've seen from them is Disney Wish and as a longtime fan I wanted so badly for that movie to do well. It was an original idea among the slop of live action remakes, sequels, MCU and Star Wars drivel, that I wanted so badly for it to be good on top of it being the 100-year anniversary movie, so a lot was riding on it to succeed.
Given the mixed to negative reception, I felt people were too hard on it, until I heard about the cut content such as Star being a magical guy character, a potential romance between him and Asha and our first evil Disney power couple and honestly my tune changed in a snap! I think that movie had so much potential had the corporate side of the company not interfered so much, but given the trajectory the company is going down, I should have seen the writing on the wall. IMO, it's not some satanic or communist propaganda as most exaggerated online personalities think it is, it's just a boring movie and that's the worst kind if you ask me. I have no problem if the movie has a diverse cast, the writing, story and characters need to be well written, if not then I could care less.
My point is, I'm with you on being disappointed with Hollywood's attitude, especially when any genuine criticism is unfairly lumped in with a small portion of unsavory comments from those who were never going to humor those products from the start, if anything it grinds my gears, almost as much as when these types say stuff like "It's for kids, why are you so upset over a kids show." I think you hit the nail on the head when you said it's our passion for these IPs and products that make us react the way we do when the entertainment fails.
We all know they can do better, and yet we keep getting fed this factory assembly line produced slop and as a budding author and artist myself, I hate what this once beloved family entertainment company has become. Notwithstanding all of the controversy and shenanigans overshadowing them and the fact animators are losing their jobs to outsourcing and AI, I had to switch gears and choose a different career path and leave my hobbies as just that. I plan on writing a few books in my lifetime, because I need to put that frustration and passion into ideas I love and one day hopefully can turn into products that you and others could enjoy. I even made my own parody Disney novel concept in response to how much I feel Disney dropped the ball with Wish. That's how much I love the field of animation and storytelling.
I know it's a long comment, but my thoughts stand. Another really good and insightful video, keep up the good work!
There's a vindication aspect as well. Having that, "I knew I wasn't the only one that thought it was burning dumpster fire."
Critical Drinker isn't always negative. His drinker recommends playlist is just as good as his other content. I especially like his comentary on Fight Club. The reason why Drinker isnpopular is not because of his negativity, but because he has an interesting way of phrasing his reviews.
Yeah right whatever.
*Catharsis* is why negative reviews resonate so well with the audience especially when most entertainment is mediocre or forced garbage
I just automatically hit the like button now.
I think the final reason you gave is the primary driving force behind the negativity of the whole Internet. If there's a book everyone seems to like, and I hate it, I go on Amazon and Goodreads to see if I'm crazy, or to see if other people can help me put words to my dislike. Sometimes I can't put my finger on it and negative reviews help me do that. But pre-Internet? Even pre-2006? I'd just keep those feelings to myself. I might blab them to friends and in doing so alienate a lot of people (which I did, in fact). But now I can either alienate total strangers I'd likely never meet, or pretend I'm not alienating anyone.
Catharsis is also a big driving force. We now have a Catharsis Cannon in our pockets all the time. After I watched Episode 1 of Wheel of Time, I couldn't sleep and my wife wouldn't listen to me rant anymore. So I made a video and put it on UA-cam. Those kinds of things just often aren't appropriate face-to-face, but they do entertain strangers. It's a weird paradox.
Hahaha, training the audience to hit the button is the REAL pro move.
And yeah, I think we forget how new it is that you can go find discussions you couldn’t find before. Sometimes you feel like you’re the only one who didn’t LOVE this popular thing, or you have an interest that no one in your physical vicinity cares about, so who do you talk to about Magic: The Gathering?( *cough hypothetically speaking). The catharsis is so real
So true, Greg. Sometimes you just want to hear someone say something so you can go, “Yes! Exactly!” That’s how I felt when I first saw the redlettermedia video where they compare Captain America Civil War to Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice. It’s just as much fun to hear them talk about something they like as it is something they don’t because they balance each other out. Mike being the down to earth Everyman “I just don’t want to be bored” guy, Jay being the movie nerd and Rich providing the sex appeal
A very interesting look behind the curtain. Quite informative. I have to agree I do use a number of channels (Critical Drinker, Pitch Meeting, and you of course) as a confirmation to not watch something and just to see how bad it really was gonna be.
Haha, same. I watch the hell out of pitch meeting, even for movies I haven’t watched and will never watch. The comedy is just fabulous.
I'm not sure whatever possessed me to click on the Critical Drinker a few years ago, but I've been subscribed to him ever since because, as you've said, he's short, blunt, and to the point, and it's nice to hear that I'm not the only one who feels a certain way. Clicking on him also got me into UA-cam reviewers, which led me to other channels like Knight's Watch, Cinema Therapy, WDW Pro, IGP and Arlo (for video games), and your own. It's not all negative (Arlo and IGP generally only discuss games they like and Cinema Therapy actually took DOWN a video they felt they were negative in) but it's nice to hear other opinions that FEEL like they would respect yours if you have a discussion with them.
Basically, as others have said, the reason we gravitate towards people like the Drinker and yourself even though you have wildly different vibes is because you're genuine in your presentation, and people want genuine.
Also I love that even though Atlas didn't let you film him the layer of cat hair on the chair said it all. XD
I liked Shad on Knight's Watch until I heard a review of his book and he said some dumb things about AI art requiring skill.
His storytelling makes me want to dismiss his criticism.
I think you nailed it on the genuine aspect. I don’t know how we all know, but we just KNOW when someone is faking it and it’s an instant turn off.
I don’t know what I’m doing, but I need to get Atlas on more often. I’m on the internet and I have a cat. The solution is right there!
the critical drinker is one of the best film critics to grace this platform and he's been one of my inspirations for a long time, he doesn't deserve all the backlash he gets just for being honest
On a podcast when he said he love Japanese movie , he can't name more than one except Godzilla.
He is not honest. His content is pretty pathetic actually.
Him, Yellow Flash, and many others are more concerned with their own agenda… which is just calling everything woke.
Even if you agree with him a lot of times, you cannot honestly say that he’s being honest or anything except toxic. He’s defined the space.
I’m very concerned this channel goes the same way.
I like him because he is exactly what he advertises. He isn’t called the negative drinker, and he really isn’t one. He approaches things critically, and with a drink in his hand, and if his points are refuted he tips his hat. I find him to be incredibly fair.
@@leahs7799 PRECISELY! even if something is right leaning, if it's dreck, he'll call it dreck, he's even done that before with lady ballers, so the people calling him biased and toxic couldn't be more wrong or intentionally dismissive because the drinker believes in reality and not liberalistic delusions, I'm sick of geniuses and visionaries being discarded just because they have the capacity for individualistic thought, this is why we need to end communism, it's infecting this country, it's infecting everything and if we're not careful, people like the drinker will be MURDERED for their beliefs in 20 or 30 years tops. watch time prove me right brother, the hate against the drinker must end.
@ChanningChea If you actually watched his videos, you'd notice he recommends and praises shows too. The man is literally catching hate for liking Fallout. His last recommendation was Baby Raindeer.
I thought the observation regarding avoiding spoilers was very astute. Never recognised that in my own decision-making process.
Yeah, that's such an accurate observation. I've been avoiding Greg's review of *The Shift* when going back through his old videos because I wanted to see that movie and missed its theater run (small kids were sick a lot this year) and I just haven’t gotten around to streaming it. I don't usually care about spoilers but if I really want to watch a movie, I try to avoid news about it - positive or negative.
The upside down vertical PS1 is the true mark of a launch PlayStation owner. It’s the only way mine would work by 2001.
Haha, toward the end, I remember doing the craziest antics to get it to work. Slam the lid closed right as you hit the power button to jar it so it reads!
i just put a book on the lid lol
I have a big problem with UA-camrs gaming the system: clickbait titles, padding for ads, forced controversy. Nothing makes me unsub faster. We’ve seen a lot of poor quality media in the last few years, and I’ve noticed some UA-camrs keep going with the negativity even when it’s not deserved. I notice UA-camrs hold off on saying anything until they know which way the wind is blowing. That’s why there’s been less said about Amazon’s Fallout - because it’s not clear whether the “cool kids” like it or not. The Critical Drinker came out and said he liked Fallout, and he defended that opinion when some of his peers came out against it. But many others just don’t say anything. Personally, I respect UA-camrs for having their own opinion and reasoning, rather than riding on the bandwagon. That’s part of why The Critical Drinker is one of the best: no bs, no clickbait, and not being afraid to be as positive or negative as he feels the media deserves. Meanwhile, I unsubbed to Daniel Greene and Chris Stuckman for clearly being afraid to say what they really think, and to many more UA-camrs for trying to force negativity.
Some stuff is merely bland corporate slop (like most of the modern Godzilla films) and it's hard to really form any meaningful opinion on it unless you have some deeper connection to the franchise.
Case in point, you have a bland corporate slop show like Fallout that ends up being mostly popular with people unfamiliar with the franchise or earlier games, and more disliked by those who actually play the games, so you end up with two differing reactions among the same general group of youtubers who are often in agreement on other media.
It's not really that people are waiting to see how the wind is blowing so much as different priorities for entertainment playing out on a property that is just bland enough to not be offensively horrible, but so far from the source material that people who care about that are irritated by it. While those same youtubers will collectively dogpile something that is much more openly horrible, like Velma, because it's too bad to have any other opinion.
The real fencesitters are typically the people who don't talk about games or movies until something becomes a trend, then they start making clickbait and ragebait videos to game the UA-cam algo and get more views. A lot of political channels and especially reaction channels do that, and it's very annoying since it floods the recommendations with garbage videos from people who don't really care or believe what they say. Those are really a whole different corner of youtube than Drinker and his lot, or even most leftwing reviewers are.
We live in a world where proper discourse is practically outlawed regardless of stance…when that is reality, no one questions only affirms.
If I don’t like something it feels good to hear someone explain all the reasons I don’t like it so I can feel good about not liking it. I can’t help it, it’s my dumb human brain. 🤷🏼♀️
Hey Greg! Great point on highlighting that criticism is its own cottage industry. Sometimes it feels like review-based content can act like a ‘dog pile’ when it comes to ‘good’ or ‘bad’ media (sometimes deservingly so, especially in the case of content that was egregiously bad).
I think it’s great that you touched on an audiences tending to trusting reviews that skew negative. It often times can feel more genuine because of a perceived lack of financial incentive to push back on sub-par or mediocre media that’s backed by major studios. It segways great with your point in the end about the importance of the consumer having the power to be able to discern and choose what we consume, however popular or unpopular our opinions can be.
As always, thanks for the content! Been a “Gregular” since your Velma S1 review!
On trusting reviews that skew negative...I do that with Amazon products. X'D If a website has a review system that has a five-star system, I'll look specifically for the three-star reviews because those feel more "honest" to me because they'll have something positive to say but they're not holding back the negative because of that.
I appreciate you hanging with me while I sort out this whole YT thing! And yeah, it’s a sad commentary on the advertisement-laden world we live in that positive reviews are so suspect.
Negativity is also often a natural response to fake positivity, and there's also a ton of that plastered everywhere. It's like the internet itself collectively rolls its eyes at the fake positivity. We're tired of objectively crap movies and shows being touted as the best thing ever, or for people to talk about these things winning ultimately empty meaningless awards.
I happened to have opened youtube and clicked on this just before i was about to get the bell notification, lol . Good morning to you, mr owen 😊
Beating the notification is a real Pro Move
People these days don't understand what the word grift means. They just assume it means someone who likes something they don't. 🤷
The reason I like The Critical Drinker is because he is passionate about good films. He usually explains well why a bad film is bad, he's not just hating on it usually
Please, he's shitted on movies that most liked.
Dead on. When you are being gaslit, as our politicians, institutions and media corporations currently are, we need sane, rational, therapeutic voices reassuring us we're not mad. You're part of a system that is literally saving the sanity and rationality and mental health of the English speaking world.
Greg, your videos make the day better. Thanks man! Your insight is always great.
Thank you very much!
I'm suspicious of people who claim "you/they/someone is a grifter!" - I mean, obviously this is rarely spoken in good faith - but as a Canadian that knows there's a lot of government money in the arts, I wonder how many artistic people are getting government money, and therefore they don't appreciate the need for normal people to accept ads or a particular customer base.
Oh, it’s a fresh video from Greg! My morning is that much better now. Hi, Greg!
I’m glad I can improve your morning!
One thing that turned me away from Chris Stuckmann (as if you need a reason but it's worth saying) was when he recommended the first Godzilla movie where he finds radioactive addicted ginat spiders, he said it was some of the best and I HATED it (deus ex machina intensifies), it was boring and the ending was just… unearned.
I like watching negative videos about bad shows/movies, because they offer excellent analysis and reasoning (and evidence) behind WHY people dislike the bad things, beyond a simple "opinion" that anyone can have. This flies in direct contradiction to what the actors and show runners and mainstream media try to present as the reasons why those shows are good or are failing.
A big reason why positive videos get less is because people don't need to watch to know it's good, if you like the critical drinker you can trust his recommendation and watch it yourself without spoilers. If the drinker says a video is bad, people want to know why it's bad and why they shouldn't watch it.
People don't prefer negativity, it's that negativity generally has more relevant information.
This video fits so well with rhe current drama with AC shadows. I hate how some comments keep demoralizing when you give negative opinion about it.
I noticed the Critical Drinkers' positive review of the Fallout TV show comments section was loaded with hate for him. How dare he enjoy a show!
A lot of similar channels that he often does the After Hours show with had negative sentiments for the show and their viewers kept the hate going on those videos too.
While I recognize everyone has a different opinion on things, it’s disappointing to see some people call him a “sellout” over one video they disagreed with.
I did enjoy watching Fallout with a friend, I found it mostly enjoyable and visually well done. After all was said and done though, story and characterwise, it's a fookin' mess. And that's what urks me about a lot of series today, lazy writing, bad characterization, and plot contrivances.
He liked the show because he is not a fan of the saga, fans don't like the show because it craps on the established lore, even so, "the message" was clearly inserted in it, so yes, he looked a bit too optimistic about it
@@inkermoy
Same boat here, amigo. I think there’s a lot of potential to capitalize on Season 1’s hanging threads and loose writing with Season 2, but I won’t hold my breath. Despite my optimism there, a lot of those issues shouldn’t depend on another season to be resolved.
An enjoyable watch in the absence of other content, but far from a storytelling masterpiece (or even a good example of writing in general).
I'm more like Abed - "I just like liking things." I don't enjoy negative content. "Hating something isn't cool it's boring"
It's a fact that to avoid spoilers I'll never watch a video about a great movie I intend to watch, until I've actually seen it, which is usually a few weeks later. But I'll watch a criticism about a piece of crap immediately...
Stuckman at least has established his rules: he's only talking about movies he likes, so he gets less views but he's honest with himself (and he doesn't burn bridges, because he actually means to become a director), I think his attitude is worthy of respect, even if you don't share his tastes.
Omg thank you . The part where you brought up the people that say why do you care is 100% spot on .
Easier to explain why something is broken, than it is to explain why something is working correctly.
It all comes down to times changing to something I do not agree with and for saying that the culture calls me a bigot.
So by default I became a hipster.
Thank you
I finally have a way to explain
When i say I’m not being negative I’m positive
It’s these trash makers that are negative
It's crazy how your analysis is spot on!
THE Business fundamental is your customer comes first. If you don’t appeal to your customer, you don’t make money. Hollywood saw that approach, said ‘Hold my beer’, deliberately made products to not appeal to customers, and then preemptively attacked customers … as a marketing strategy (‘fan baiting’).
There is so much negativity surrounding the entertainment industry on UA-cam (and we love it) because it enables disenfranchised customers to see they aren’t alone, and it provides a much-needed catharsis as fans watch IPs they’ve spent decades enjoying becoming utterly unrecognizable. And UA-cam creatives fundamentally understand their customers FAR better than Hollywood does.
This has a LOT to do with the times we live in. Populism is on the side of tearing down the establishment. This was reversed in the 90s. Gaming journalists used to be hype-men for the next games coming out (and not in a shill way, in a genuine enthusiasm way). This is not a universal thing, this is a "moment in history" thing.
I have friends who adore the Wheel of Time books. I made it a point to finish the series during the pandemic. So as someone who read the books, I wholeheartedly agree with your videos about it. It's not the Wheel of Time. It's misandrist fanfic. A bucket of sh*t nuggets that could taste better than the viewing experience provided by that dreck. I'm so glad I watched your videos about it because I had to know I wasn't the only one going crazy. P.S. My book loving friends refused to watch it and I've told them time and again that they truly made the right decision.
W vid. Anyone else feel like Greg say he's working on a video that'll "be out soon" and we never see these videos??
You’re not wrong. My toxic trait is starting several scripts at once and then finishing them at “some point”. It’s not a great habit, haha
It's incredible: "Love the slop, bigot" is not a good marketing strategy.
Love the video as always, Greg!
First 17 seconds were SPOT ON.
I'm a generally positive person. I like to look on the bright side of things. However, I am not someone who won't call something bad when it's bad. Differing opinions is one thing, but what is going on now is critics of certain status (which the general public knows are being bought and paid for by big corporations to push product) are claiming we are too stupid to have our own opinions and trying to invalidate any criticism that isn't good for their monetary masters.
Several issues I have with this argument. This video seems to be advocating for going with the flow of your audience rather than voicing your own opinion just to get better performance. Art is subjective and we don’t ( at least I don’t) go to a reviewer to get the general audience opinion of a movie. We go to a reviewer to get their own take on it and their opinions on it.
I believe Greg Owen is honest about what his opinions are. Owen praised Disney’s Wish even though there are a fair of people in the anti-woke audience who despise it since he genuinely liked it. So he does give his opinions.
Not entirely what I was going for, but I can see how it can look that way. I appreciate the feedback.
But to a certain extent it is both. I often make videos about what I’m passionate about, but then there are things that I’m not in love with but the audience is interested in, so it’s a bit of a give and take. By listening to the audience and keeping their preferences in mind, it builds trust so they in turn listen to me even when I say things they totally disagree with. So it’s not just doing whatever the audience wants, it’s building a relationship
@matityloran9157 haha, yeah, I was definitely on the “wrong” side for that one, but I stand by it
@@gregowen2022 And that’s how I can tell that you’re saying what your honest opinions are rather than simply saying what your audience wants to hear
We need an outlet to make sure we arent crazy. We all feel the way these commentators do, we see so much censorship around and fake fans and paid actors and company propaganda, were sick of it and need a place to voice our true opinions. I love what these guys do, they turned a negative into a huge positive community.
CD does a second channel call 'The Drinker Recommends' in which he bangs out a positive video once a week. CD is a self published author (with a movie out very soon), so I have the utmost respect for the man.
Big Sexy... you got a number there... asking for a friend...
Hahaha, I’ve never heard a single song by Sexy Redd, but I’m already a fan….
I first watched Critical Drinker because I searched for a confirmation of why I thought The Eternals was awful. My husband and I bought tickets and saw it in its first weekend. (We were still in the “MCU=good” mindset.) I walked out of the theater with a visceral hatred for that movie but I wanted to analyze why that would be the case. I hadn’t watched a single UA-cam criticism video for basically anything except for Honest Trailers. And then I searched and found the Drinker and he just spoke absolutely truth in his criticism and I was hooked. His channel is why I found Greg’s. (Hello, fellow Christian, homeschooling, millennial of multiple children!!)
Keep it up, Greg! If I have the time, I watch everything you put out there. I have appreciated your long form commentary on deeper issues!
Grats on your 50k subscribers, Greg! I hope this goes on for a long time.
Now, to the issue.
There is a radio show here in France called "Le Masque et la Plume", literally 'the Mask and the Feather". It's being held every Sunday since 1955, in a large theater or such. It's always "sold out". Its free. It's listened to throughout the French speaking countries and provinces, Quebec being the nearest one to you. The question is : why has it lasted this long? Why am I a part of the millions+ listeners (and many more through the podcasts)? Is radio still a thing?
Through the years, the hosts have gone to greater things, like Ministers or Ambassadors. They are highly educated and dedicated, but not snobs. They have entertainment journalists, usually four every week, each with their own background and specialty, get onto the stage, and in front of a large audience and many more listeners, give their take on a live representations, films or books, each having a different take on the subject. They usually quarrel about it during and after, sometimes quite vehemently.
But one thing is usually present. Each of them believe in themselves, have their own - usually strong - opinions, and they make their positions clear to all, through HUMOUR, INTELLIGENCE, KNOWLEDGE AND CYNICISM! It's fascinating to listen to. There is no show quite like it. And there are new and old fans alike asking for more.
What I mean by this is that the words in capital letters are essential to your show, whether on UA-cam or elsewhere, especially if you're critiquing a piece of work. If one of those elements are lacking, then it's not going to do so well. You may as well just be a documentary channel, and post huge waves dropping on New York in the forefont.
Love from France.
Very thoughtful! I appreciate the effort it took to lay out a detailed observation on a new part of entertainment that people rely on
I make UA-cam videos, and I can say that part of why we can be so negative is because the site gives us an outlet to be negative and positive. When I want to make a positive video, I will. When I want to get something off my chest, I will tear it to shreds.
CGPGrey did a video a long time ago about how much more effective anger is than any other emotion when it comes to the spreading of thought germs. Meaning, as a creator, not only will more people watch, but more people will engage with something that makes them target their anger toward a thing (even if they are agreeing with the anger a la "so and so gets owned" or "this thing is trash" categories). That also gets built into the algorithms used by social media. So you will see things you like, and also things that you hate, just never things you're lukewarm about.
I was not ready for the Sinbad clip. I thought I was the one person on earth who saw that movie. Decent flick btw.
Highly underrated! I know it got crapped on back in the day, but it holds up well
There's also reverse for that. If there's guilty pleasure movie you really like, and you see some Mr. Negativity to make 2 hour essay how terrible it is, you might not wanna see it... but if they say 'hey this dumb movie is kinda neat' you're excited to share the passion for it. It might be smaller audience but speaking underated stuff (actually underrated and not 100th essay how this loved movie needs more love) or guilty pleasures usually work
For me, I like watching these sorts of videos from nerdrotic,the critical drinker, the little platoon or sean chandler talks because it gives me a safe space to listen to these people share thoughts that I also had, and to read comments that understand the decline of modern cinema the same as me. It’s warm and cozy and helps to cope with the reality that film entertainment is dying
If i see a movie recommendation that makes me actually go see it, I will most likely watch the video after the movie, because I love watching people talk movie analysis and I want to see how my thoughts on it line up or differ from others
I despise the negativity, particularly from the professional outrage farms.
12:09 THANK YOU!!!!!
I really think that modern entertainment companies have forgotten that we, the consumers, are not required to consume. If there's a movie or TV show coming out, it's not on us to prove that it's a bad movie or show, it's on them to prove that it's good. If we watch a trailer and say that we don't like or think it's not gonna be good, that's a problem on their end, not ours.
They can complain about fans being racist or sexist or prejudiced in some other way, but the truth is, we are not required to watch their products. Never were. Not even if it's from an IP that we enjoy. I'd be surprised if I ever watch another movie or show set in Middle-Earth again, just because the ones we've gotten ever since (and including) the Hobbit trilogy have been so disappointing. It's arrogant and short-sighted to assume that, just because you have a certain IP title slapped on your product, the entire fanbase is required to watch by default.
Stop calling us racist or sexist for saying that your product looks unappealing and start making products that actually entice us in. Then we'll talk.
TL;DR: Consumers are not required to consume, and if we say something looks unappealing, the problem doesn't lie with us.
Yeah, here we go, this is AWESOME! Such a great breakdown.
It makes me think... how can we make positivity cathartic???
I wouldn't say UA-cam is negative. I would say that people tend to gravitate toward negativity. My own UA-cam feed is a healthy mix of positive and negative and, if it favors one over the other, it favors positivity over the alternative.
People tend toward negativity--this is why the news always seems to be negative--because it appeals to our nature and soothes our own egos. It fuels our self-righteousness but it's also toxic. It warps the way you think and the way you perceive the world around you.
Be deliberately positive. Purposefully include positivity in your life. Not to the exclusion of the negative; but in healthy balance with negativity. Not everything is sunshine and rainbows. But not everything is doom and gloom either. Over indulging either one will necessarily blind you to the other.
Mushu is definitely Greg's spirit animal.
Critical Drinker does discussions that I wouldn't say are "negative" but "critical." He always tries to find positives about things he critiques. He pointed out good things in The Last of Us Part 2.
Can't have positivity without negativity.
I prefer to watch the Little Platoon.
His critiques are long and detailed. And objevtive. I prefer him to Critical Drinker because of the objectivity
Being able to backup and justify your opinions with well thought-out arguments is the cornerstone of any discussion. If you can't express why you don't (or do) like something. Chances are it wasn't your own opinion to begin with.
Really interesting analysis, congrats on the 50k sub milestone
I hate that you are right. When the drinker recommended Ghost Protocol, I didn’t watch the video for several weeks until after I watched the Movie…whereas I always immediately click on the negative reviews.
Even if he’s financially incentivized to give negative reviews from ad revenue, he’s still willing to bash conservative movies when they’re bad. His negative review of Lady Ballers helped show me that his reviews are actually nuanced and accurate.
I like channels like you're and Drinkers because you can more clearly explain why something is bad. You're a lot better than me at articulating why movies and shows are a lot more empty and hollow, so it helps me understand what I like and dislike a lot more clearly.
This is a well-thought out and comprehensive explanation. Great job!
Its nice to know im not going insane and that stuff is genuinely plop because without youtube I would have to come to the conclusion I am insane because I keep getting told stuffs really good elsewhere. Although the tide has turned and even mainstream is admitting stuff is plop.
It’s funny to see the mainstream stuff try to pretend they knew things were bad all along. The articles after The Marvels were funny in that way
I really appreciate creators who are willing to hurt their bottom line to make a positive video. I enjoy dunking on stuff that's bad, but when that's all I see or do, I noticeably become a much worse person. That's part of the reason I like this channel. It's really balanced. One negative video gets counterbalanced in the next upload with a nuanced video essay or sometimes a straight up positive video. The balance and how genuine everything feels makes it really fun to stick around. The genuineness especially helps the negative videos. I rarely feel like Greg is performing a click farming negativity drive by like a lot of channels do. Instead, if he makes a negative video, it's almost always well thought out and presenting genuine points and things that need to be critiqued, instead of just pointing and laughing at something for sucking and farming watch time for ten minutes with no substance. The fact that there is genuine substance really makes the negativity palatable
Great perspective, thank you!
The thing with the Drinker, is that he’s not solely negative. He points out where and how something could be improved, listing out objective problems that exist there. The funny thing is, things he was considered “overly negative for” are now parroted by the same mainstream news outlets that were lambasting him just a year ago.
Thank you for your video. Just found your channel and I’m enjoying it!
People like the Drinker cause he's blunt, honest and doesn't bullshit you. A lot of reviewers or main stream ones anyway have lost credibility because they can basically be bought by whatever studio gives them money, promotions, perks or other shit or they let their political leanings dictate their opinions.
The Drinker doesn't let that stuff distract him or influence him. He knows The Message is crap and will point it out no matter what happens.
Effects keep improving. Shows Greg’s effort. Good shit
Yup, I'm definitely the "wasn't gonna watch it, just here for the critique on WHY it was so bad" demographic.
Frankly, I barely watch TV shows and movies anymore. I'm either reading, gaming, or into some crafting or other (I go from making custom lamps from old stuff to refinishing furniture to repainting dolls and doll houses).
Modern shows are severely lacking, and even if they're any good, some actor or other has to open their pie-hole and talk smack about fans, and I'm immediately turned off from watching it.
I don't have cable, I just stream or watch older stuff that I own on Blu-ray. Or, again, UA-cam and/or Rumble videos.
Anyway, I really enjoyed your analysis!
Nice. I'd add just one more detail, though. Not only the vast majority of mainstream entertainment products have been purposely bad lately, but also producers, "journalists", and actors/actresses have been openly beligerant towards an audience that was simply looking to spend their hard earned money in things they liked. As a result, entertainers ended up alienating their own customers, and we found other source of entertainment: You. So, we love the "negative" reviews, because that helps us feel even at the industry that not only abandoned us, but went out of their way to insult us in the process.
The culture war has been a net negative for humanity and the internet
Absolutely flawless segue into the FlexiSpot ad. 10/10!
I like watching negative reviews. I don't do it as much as I used to thou. Maybe it's about how the reviewer handle the topic. Overall I found myself listening to calmer, more discussion-like videos more often nowadays. It's just that level of negativity when you insult something so much, that I can't remember the actual arguments later.
I like your reviews for example, that I can disagree without bigger emotions involved, and I really appreciate that. A lot of channels go for big emotions, because it's selling better, not only the commentary ones, and I feel too much overstimulation watching them in the long run, so I tend to avoid them.
I don't think if something is selling better it automatically means it's better for people consuming it or in terms of quality. It just means better money for ones producing the product/service.
I think that last point about people wanting to commiserate over bad media is especially true, because for a lot of average consumers, negativity can be draining. It takes a lot out of you emotionally and makes you more bitter and cynical. It's important for people to have a healthy way to express those negative feelings and share them with others who feel the same, because it's a cathartic relief from those feelings so we can keep living. Loved the video!❤
This channel has become one of my favorites since I found your video about Dreamworks villains and why they're so good. I would love to see you on CD's Open Bar stream! That would be an awesome episode!
He's always on Echo Chamberlain's podcast. Tbh, I think it's quite a lot better than drinker's
I'll also take the opportunity to say your content has been pretty good lately. I'm happy that you're venturing more into video games, too.
Negative is 'easier' to understand, 'everyone' has had a 'bad experience' but not as many have had a 'great experience'. Quite often I have watched (ok more listened in the background) a 40 minute "review" of a 40-minute show as I had no intention of watching. As someone that does UA-cam stuff (hey $3/month-currently is something), if I made the shift from "the thing that I do" back to "what the audience wants" I would make over 300% more per month (yes $10/month-less than 1 hour at a minimal wage job after taxes). I made that choice to stop 'hate watching' just to make a review of something I didn't want to watch for my side 'job'. Now I just watch other people make those reviews. As always Greg, solid presentation and keep up the great work, you need to feed that UA-cam content algorithm monster.