Kevin Nash on WHY wrestlers have heat with HBK
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I didn't know the Michaels of the 90's but the one I met in the 00's made it worth meeting one of my favorite wrestlers. He did a book signing. Instead of getting up and leaving when the autograph time was finished, he stayed an extra hour to say hi to every fan in line.
So you know he’s a great guy from your 30 second meeting
@@mralapenosarespicy absolutely.
@@mralapenosarespicyso you know Shawn just by interviews from talentless wrestlers who cry about being "held back" ?
Most people make up their opinions of others based on what someone else has said, rather than personal experience.
Kevin is still Shawn's bodyguard, only now he guards Shawn's rep.
Hopefully your friends have your back, when you're not there to defend for yourself. Always tell your friends the truth, but never tell the truth to strangers about your friends. You keep that in house or you out of the circle.
@@brandondetroitfanmichaels4325 Being too afraid to hold your own friends accountable is EXACTLY why we have so many problems in society NOW. Like the Thin blue line. At what point do you people stop being afraid of people you claim you love to tell them their actions are out of line?
@@DJYC21215 He said he was disappointed in HBK for not protecting HHH after the Curtain Call Backlash. He also called HBK out for why his and HHH'S relationship soured down the road and why it was on him if he wanted to repair it.
@@Speedyreedy1218 Some of these people really need to find a therapist or something. You'd think the Kliq did something to them personally.
@@DJYC21215 Bret Hart's Burner account has been found 😂😂
Yes lets ask Shawns friends about it 😊
Nash said in another shoot that on his 1st day in WWF, after the show Shawn went up to him and said "Oh by the way, we have heat with Undertake cus I called him a ginger behind his back" lol
Dude I don't even care that's just funny as shit
@@ddcs0s Me too, I hope that's true.
HBK in my opinion is the greatest wrestler of All Time. As he grew older he def changed for the better. That era of wrestling was just the best.
Gifted in-ring guy but Shawn's rise to "top dog" in '96 saw WCW take a wide lead in the Monday Night Wars.
@@BAztid so the company lost money when he was on top?
He’s definitely in my top 8
@@BAztid that was nothing ta do with HBK and more ta do with the way Vince was running wwe with cartoon charactors and wcw having the nwo
He wasn’t even the best wrestler in his own era let alone in history
His title runs were a joke
He and Nash were on record the lowest drawing WWE champions of their era. They only got themselves and each other over.
Especially when Bret Hart in his WWE title runs in the 90s drew more money than Shawn Michaels. Bret was especially a draw in England Canada and Germany (to a lesser extent the United States)
Shawn’s chip and dale gimmick never put butts in seats
Kevin covering Shawn still....
That's solid of him.
That's what Brothers do
@ajsgaming8003 That doesn’t work for me brother!
That's what friends do.
@@calgakispict3652real friends
Awesome to hear how shit was in the 90's behind the scenes. I watched alot of wrestling in the 80's and 90's so it's great to hear Kev talk about some of these guys and the shit that was going on
Boy, I'm sure this won't be biased at all.😂 Still love Big Kev and Shawn, though.
Nash is a stand up guy. I wish I could meet him one day and just let him know I think so. Legend
Love Shawn Michaels! He my Number #1 #ProWrestling #Kliq #HBK #ShawnMichaels #WWE
Nash ain’t gonna bury his boy. No matter how much he knows it’s true. Gotta respect that though if you’re looking for a true friend.
And if Shawn doesn’t see Vinnie Vegas on tv - we’re not here commenting right now.
He said we were assholes to everyone
I love that art piece behind Kevin
Pretty sure it was club 31 next to the pool hall in North Syracuse that Shawn got messed up. Though I’m sure plenty of time spent at the clubs near Utica too
I think people have to realize that Shawn fought tooth and nail for the top spot. Anybody in his position would have then did anything they could to keep that spot. I still think that Shawn wanted greatness from the storylines he was in BUT it’s also possible that Shawn wanted to protect his top position. I don’t hold anything against him for that except for the drugs ruining all of his redeeming qualities.
He had to, hbk and Bret Hart had to stand out during a time all the champs looked like he man and Conan
what about Bret, Taker, Yoko not acting that way in the early mid 90s. they were all in top spots in WWF
@@Hypno_BPMand Brett was just as whiny as Shawn he just wasn’t a dick about it
@@davidjackson9680 being whiny is whatever imo, Bret still did business unlike Shawn in the mid 90s. Bret was professional af besides the whole montreal screw job fiasco
You shouldn’t hold the drums shading him either. He was struggling with life like others do.
HBK was my absolute favorite back in the 90’s I was never one of those that went for the faces, I liked the heels 🤷🏻♂️ I started liking Shawn in the early 90’s around 92-93 I was 10 and my name is Sean too AND he got all the girls, I was early on the whole girls and crushes thing early in my life lol so yea I was his biggest fan.. I had the shirts, his cardboard cutout, the IC belt, his glasses..🤦🏻♂️
A good question would be, what would have become of HBK if the Kliq never formed. Without these guys (thinking specifically more of Nash and Triple H) looking out for him and keeping him from getting himself in deep shit, or a grave.
Their all practically actors so not much would have happened 😂
I'll go one better. If there is no kliq, there is no DX if there is no DX there is no Stone Cold Steve Austin or The Rock. This means there is no attitude Era Shawn Michaels and HHH Created the Attitude Era Shortly Before Steve Austin became the face of the Company. So let's speak In facts and truth Dx was the founding Father's of the Attitude Era. Michaels was the Best In Ring performer of all time. Best BabyFace/ Heel of all time.. Dude missed 4 years of his prime with a back injury and still came back and could out wrestle most on the roster. Shawn Michaels Greatest Wrestler of all time...
@@lawjoseph2701 😂
@@lawjoseph2701 shawn prior to 97 had great matches but only with a select few mostly the kliq. His return saw even better matches but I'd argue stone cold was starting the attitude era before the formation of dx and the rock would have eventually gotten there at some point. I'm not saying shawn and hhh didnt have a lot to do with it just that it was on it's way. As far as Shawn's return it's kinda funny he came back to in ring action when his contract came up and he wasnt sitting at home making that free money anymore. Maybe like his back injury wasnt as bad as we were led to believe. Look at the dates of his old contract that wwe was bound to and his inring return
@@bryannugent5860 actully it was wwe that call HBK bk and asked him to come back has the mouth peace to the nwo. hbk even offerd to have his corntaced ripped up when he was away for 4 years but vince said no. hbk's return match at summerslam was ment to be a one of and orignally ment to be vs vince but vince was worried that he would injur hbk. so it was switched to hhh, and even after then he was not ment to come bk, but vince called him bk ta do S.Series (thats why his hair was short coz he was not expecting to come bk) and then y2j wanted ta do a fued with him and then after Wrestlemaina 19 is when he went bk ta be a full time active wrestler so nothing ta do with his contract expring coz him returning had nothing ta do with him.
"I know Shawn is a different cat now. But i sure miss the old one" - Kevin Nash
But the new one will live longer and better.
@@billyclub9863 Yeah.....but the old one was much more entertaining.
@@Lunaeevee-u5t the old one probably wouldn't be here today if he continued being that guy
@@sentientcardboarddumpster7900 *deep sigh* I know, I know. If only he could be the old one without being totally wasted.
@@Lunaeevee-u5t much more sports entertaining
When ppl show you who they are, believe them
Everything I had heard about Kevin before this podcast regarding loyalty was once you were his boy, you were his BOY. He was down for anything with you. Hearing his podcasts prove this. Might be hard to get into his inner circle, but once you're in, you are - as the phrase goes - '4 LIFE'.
Big Kev will always be Shawn's Bodyguard but those "Big Money Years" Shawn got paid $750k a year to sit at home so they didn't lose him to WCW
Which is kind of dumb in itself. What was Shawn going to do in WCW? He couldn't wrestle until 2000, and was still an addict until 2002. Would've been a huge disaster for WCW and maybe even himself.
@@Lord_Bibulous he just wanted to be with his friends.
@@Lord_Bibulous not wrestling per say. It was so Shawn doesn't make an appearance on WCW .
@@blackmantis3130 I understand that. I just don't see what Bischoff would've gotten out of him by signing him. He couldn't wrestle, and him and Bret again in the same place is asking for trouble.
@@Lord_Bibulous it was more about sticking it to Vince. Both promotions were petty back then . If nash and hall vouched for Shawn the would likely make a move on him.
"Shawn got me into WWF so I had to take care of that little shit"
HBK is one of the GOATs inside the ring idc about the personal shit !
No one laid in rest holds high as a kite for 30 mins better than Michaels! 😂😂
Congrats on 152k subscribers. It’s what Tristan wanted.
What was that last bit about Bob Holly?
Nice, Utica NY mentioned at 6:33
My favorite all time moment from Shawn Michael's was when he completely humiliated Hogan .
His overselling was priceless 🤣.
Except he made an ass of himself and the only one that left that night a humiliated laughing stock was Michaels, but okay.
Wasn’t that after Michaels’ supposed “life change?”
Sure reminded me of the old Shawn on that night.
@@Ken9284 Right. What a changed man. "I follow God and I am changed now!"
Vince: "You're putting over Hogan."
Shawn proceeds to act like typical Shawn soon as he has to do a job. Unprofessional as fuck and that match was a slap in the face reminder of WHY 3 million fans changed the channel to Nitro everytime his music hit.
Of course what all the marks leave out when they bring this up to beat off to the Boytoy is that it literally was the same old Shawn.
Vince had booked that as a 3 PPV feud. Match 1 Hogan goes over, match two Michaels, match 3 Hogan. In typical "I haven't really changed at all" Michaels fashion he went to Vince and politicked it that he goes over in match 1. Everyone knows this Shawn scam, you do the job in the first match and he snakes his way out of any possible rematch where he has to do a job. Hogan refused to play the game and told Vince he would do one match, Michaels jobs and that's it. I guess the bigger draw in history had more stroke than the worst draw in history as Vince agreed to it.
He threw a hissy fit on national TV and still had to do the job. I don’t think Hogan was the one humiliated.
@@onewarriornation602 Wronnnnnnnnnng
He did the 1st hell in a cell with Taker before his injury
I think he meant Elimination Chamber.
@Y2JLionHeart he also had a steel cage match with hhh the month after that.
@@hellohell77 I'll take your word for it. Lol
@@hellohell77 Three Stages of Hell.
Fall 1: Street Fight. Fall 2: Steel Cage. Fall 3: Ladder match. ARMAGEDDON 2002.
@@Y2JLionHeart No Shawn/Taker did the first ever Hell in a Cell.
Shawn had heat over his ego. Nash you can't fool anyone.
Kevin genuinely likes and loves Shawn. He cares about him as a brother. Love seeing that
They were 5 of the best wrestlers in the world who just happened to Kliq together….and if anybody could of done anything about it?? I’m sure they tried but these guys were money and they knew it… good for them!!! IMO 5 of the best all around workers in history of the business!!!
I remember one night he was jumping on the top rope like Man those were the good old Days
Good to see Nash out n about
Man when I first saw Shawn Michaels he was in the Rockers and I never could quite see him as a solo wrestler it just looked strange even in the rockers he wasn’t the more popular one
Fancy he became one of the greatest wrestlers after that
He was more popular then Marty or did your eyes not see anything for the past 30 years
Rock and hhh always hated each other they was fighting for the top spot
Sorry read your comment wrong. I thought you said HBK.
Yeah Rock and HHH always had that competition. In my opinion HHH was jealous of Rock's natural charisma.
Kev accidentally made a big point! EVERYONE did their best when away from Shawn.. WOW… Kev and Scott left.. blew up… Shawn left.. EVERYONE else blew up… Must of killed Shawn inside..
HHH said that on Raw in April 2003 in a promo.
"Big Kev, I always leave my cards on the table. It may not be a fair hand. But those are the ones that have been dealt to you. I will always look you in your eye and tell you I am The Ring General. I'm The Man around here now. Like it or not, I call the shots. You choose me and you will always be one step BEHIND ME. I'll tell you to your face like a man. Will Shawn? No, he won't. He'll say one thing, then turn on ya. He can't help it Kev. That's how he is. It's what he always does. I won't lie to you and say this isn't a difficult decision. Because it is. But remember this, the most success YOU HAVE HAD in your career, and the most success I've had in my career, was when we FINALLY WALKED AWAY FROM HIM!"
95: Diesel and HBK split. Diesel becomes the first member of Kliq to be world champ. One of the longest reigns as champion.
96: Diesel is the First Kliq member to work Undertaker at a WM.
96: Left WWF for WCW, for bigger money, co-founded the nWo and a new level of fame erupted.
HHH 97: Perceived by casual fans as HBK's lackey.
HHH 98: Once the proverbial leash was taken off his neck showed he was really the engineer behind DX while HBK was the poster boy getting most of the recognition. Once he officially took over as leader, the group skyrocketed in popularity and trumped everything he and HHH that five months in 97-98 as a duo. The quartet had epic rivalries, skits, matches,.titles, and made loads of money dragging the company out of the war. Austin didn't do it by himself.
HHH 99-01 Because the 3rd Kliq member to become world champ. But the first dominant heel champion the WWF, breaking from tradition where they usually have the good guy be the face of a franchise. Carried Austin and Rock into unwordly levels of iconic status that some would argue surpassed Hogan. Becomes the 2nd Kliq member to work Undertaker at WM.
And HBK did reveal in his book (both the DX one and the Wrestling for my life) his jealousy about HHH'S success during that time. And during Nash's HOF induction finally admitted he also was jealous of Nash getting the strap before him.
He later went on to say he was both jealous of them, but happy for them at the same time.
If you believe Nash on how competitive HBK is, then it's possible for him to be both. Be proud of his boys personally. But also envy them professionally.
Must have*
They left, Shawn blew up as well and for longer when you consider his second run after coming back. All benefited.
@@adamlane6453 👍
@@alexbelfor9451 If by blow up you mean didn't draw a fucking dime and tanked the ratings then yes, yes he did.
Shawn is the goat. The kliq is legendary. R.i.p Scott hall. You are my favorite part of wrestling history
Love these words! Nicely put.
There were so many stories of how Shawn wasn't exactly the nicest guy but you know, like all of us, we have chances, we all are able to change. The past is the past. I don't condone what he has done but people need to see how well spoken he is now a days, especially the younger talent that in NXT that have spoken very well on Shawn. No one is ever perfect. Life is short. Enjoy life.
@thenewmiLONNIEum thats the typical born again mentality.. im a new person and hold no responsibility for who i used to be
@@nfortin24 So how many times do y'all want him to apologize ? Does he have to say sorry everyday for the rest of his life ?
Still a legend in the wrestling world no doubt!!!!!!!!
A movie about the Kliq would be awesome.
I want a full blown series
I might be wrong but going on Rocky Johnson’s interview the incident was this was based on HBK giving Sweet Chin Music to The Rock during a referee match with Triple H that The Rock wasn’t happy about how hard he was kicked which would be 2000. I know about the initial disrespect shown by HBK earlier in his career but this must be the best kept secret in wrestling if it happened after 2002. If someone knows better tell me as onscreen they didn’t cross paths other than when HBK made the save with Triple H and Brock was involved. Offscreen never heard this before if after 2002.
that superkick would of been in 1999 not in 2020 to start
@@above.average.gaming.natio3026 yeh I put the wrong year I knew it had to be around 2000, I assume that what caused the incident as far as I’ve ever known
@@Whole_ammo yeh that was my understanding also but then Dwayne’s Dad mentioned HBK hitting sweet chin music and Dwayne wasn’t happy about how hard he was kicked and I’ve heard differing stories to an actual fight to just Dwayne threatening him but if it were an actual fight size wise Dwayne wins that every time but I can’t imagine if HHH had witnessed it he wouldn’t have gotten involved.
@@Whole_ammo I also meant to say 2000 but not 2020 in my initial comment and the only time I remember that happening was HBK as guest ref when HHH and The Rock faced each other
@Whole_Ammo83 And yet they were on cam for the corporation stable together running down DX in 1998
Nash is a good friend.
are the maivia's above criticism?
Stiff back HBK with his hair chopped at shoulder length was like a totally different person, i guess back surgery and a fused spine can do that to a person. I remember it like it was yesterday. I was amazed what he could still do with a spine that looked locked and straight
HBK never had a "fused" spine, in fact his whole back injury is debatable all together. Many who wrestled with him at the time didn't believe it and the way Shawn came back and as still kipping up and flipping over ropes, moonsaulting etc like a 25 year old made a mockery of the idea he had a "stiff back". The whole back injury was more likely just a cover for the fact Michaels needed time off to deal with his cocaine and ecstasy habit as he was turning up to work wasted every week.
@@rtmclean484he did injure his back 100% it’s the “lost my smile” injury that was a lie
Because he earned the heat. Good for him evolving but no one owes him anything
They threatened to cut his pay when WCW went out of business (2001) and he then returned in 2002. Whatever the reason he left for in 1998 and there are rumours on top of the back injury , it was the best for everyone . Going to WCW would have tarnished his legacy severely and he would not be considered one the greats .
What's the Steiner and Shawn connection?
HBK brought in the money in a period when there wasn't much. The performer who brings "it" in will have the most jealousy by The Boys especially the ones who didn't work with him in the ring.
Was it the "bad energy" 😂😂😂
Wasn't the Lia Maivia thing allegedly when Rock was a kid.
Correct, it was way before HBK's back injury
A movie on the "The Kliq" would be epic I can see Mark Walburg as Shawn Idk about the rest of the cast but it would be epic!
Wahlberg as shawn michaels?fuck no
Wayyy too old…
Timothee Charlemote
The anti-HBK bots are strong here. Lol
As far as toughness and being able to handle one's self, HBK is not the same as Tommy Rich. Rich was easily bigger, at least in weight, than Michaels and was a real country boy. Rich could handle himself.
Michaels was tougher then most give him credit for he got jumped once and that hurts his reputation. One vs one Shawn was no joke
"Shawn never chased ass" Okay Kev....
He probably never had to. Ass chased him
He didn't. He rubbed up against it. Just ask Sunny is you have a chance to visit her in jail.
@Armando Gomez This guy telling on himself. Not every guy has to chase it.
He was ensconced in a permanent fart cloud. ☁️
Are u saying you know Shawn better than Nash?
HBK, one of my favorites and one of the greatest pro wrestlers I've ever seen. Like a lot of us were in our twenties, he had his moments of acting like an egomaniacal asshole. I'm not condoning anything, merely giving my opinion. Think about your own work place. Aren't there some politics and territorial things going on? Now imagine being in the limelight, money, pushes. It would seem when he came back in '02, he was more mature. Now if he still is like that in his fifties ....😜
HBk is the greatest ever and HBk with diesel wass my two favorite wrestlers along with razor. I jates watching Shawn vs razor because I knew one had to lose
Shawn did what anyone wud have done if someone was on his place and he did a great job at that!!!! 90's or 00's. Even if he was bad he was pretty damn good. Wrestling in the 90's isnt anything like what it is today. So he did what was according to that time so plz swallow this fact. Wrestlers in the 90's were jealous of him because he was that damn gifted. The looks the art he got it all.
When your given a name like "sparky Plug" it's not surprising that going stiff is needed to get respect.
not putting people over ruined wrestlers careers and push and momentum
Success shows your real side... HBK maybe good wrestler but not a good human being
Wasn't a good dude *
@@kornstarr
No, he is a legitimate POS.
@@youreokayboah2128 you don’t know dude personally, so get off the rag.
@@kornstarr *Still isn't a good guy.
@@onewarriornation602 What did he do to you ??
“Shawn never chased ass” lmao Big Kev doesn’t want to get his buddy in trouble with the wife, respect
They had Sunny,& that was b4 the wife👍
@@sstrykert found a story recently about Shawn stealing comedian Richard Lewis’ girlfriend. Forget her name but there’s a pic of the two of them in a limo. WILD boy.
@@shiningwizard202 have you ever looked at Richard Lewis? She levelled up😆
@@sstrykert lmaooooo
@@shiningwizard202 I think that you're referring to Rhonda Shear.
If you see an Antonio Texas match he had at year 2000 I believe, he still looked the Same as he left 1998 WwE. Same Shawn
As far as all the B.S. about the clique, they couldn't hold back anyone who had talent.
What is Sean's aide project he doing?
What you gotta realize about the Kliq. All those guys were buried by the stars in the 80's. They were all jabronis on the card like 2-3 years before they became successful. So of course when they start getting into better spots they are going to be fighting to keep their spots.
Shawn reminds me of me in my college friends’ group. I was always the one under the spotlight and problems always came. Whether it was with women or men getting pissed, getting wasted for my ass, etc. I was a lot to handle and people did not like me, im sure.
I was that guy. That’s why I relate to Shawn.
Shawn was still getting paid £750k a year to sit out with his “injury”. It’s a Miracle that as soon as his contract expired that he was able to come back in 2002 🤥
Finally, after all these years, people, it is pronounced kleek not klik, sheesh.
Unlike Hogan, Nash and HHH, Shawn obtained all that power in the WWF due to HBK's actual talent as a pro-wrestler and athlete.
I think Shawn's back injury was a work. He leaves after Stone Cold beats him and comes back after the Rock and Stone Cold leave as full time wrestlers. Too coincidental.
Hbk had the drive like Jordan
Jordan half assed it his entire run?
I'd love to see the graphic of T and Kev go up top next to the text For T. Maybe one of Kevin and Sean eating Ravioli down below with Scott and Kev too. Love you guys and all the stories you bring to light.
Nash sounds like a true friend he knows Shawn was a asshole and tries hard to find good words to say about him
When you let the Vanilla Midgets run the show, there are always issues. Need a Hogan, Andre, Taker, etc to keep everything in check.
Shawn Michaels is the best all around wrestler of my generation. By the Generation X. And that's the best! Wooo!
Nash is trying to clean up Shawn’s image but at 2:07 he’s like, “well, no he was still an a hole.”
Shawn was only nice to him because he knew he could protect him
I need a friend like Kevin Nash... No matter how wrong Shawn was... Kevin was gonna be there to fight wrong or right didn't matter
Nah. You need a friend that tells you if you fuck up.
If your friends help you do stupid shit, you both are never gonna improve and make everyone around you miserable.
Fuck that, I'll take a friend that calls me out anyday. I'm not here to be coddled. I wanna improve.
I live in Utica, so hearing that HBK could have been fucked up in some clubs in the city that I am from sounds so hilarious and insane to me lmao
Hahahaha just more proof that Nash will lie when he feels he should. The truth is the truth, and he is having an issue trying to tell the truth on a widely told issue. For a big guy, he can dance around things pretty good.
That's how he got his role in Magic Mike.
Or more proof that some people believe one narrative over another when it suits them.
Shawn was so into himself it was all about Shawn come fuckin on
I have heard enough from good old Jr and others to know 90s Attitude Era Shawn Michaels was a complete prick and hard to get along with Kevin says just so you know Kevin Nash is one of my all-time favorites but he flat-out lying for his buddy
The guy who does these with Kevin seems like such a Billy Bush level out of place enabler.
The Rock > Shawn Michaels
if shawn wasnt the one starting problems why did he consistently need a bodyguard...
i love shawn, loved him from his debut to the end, but let be real, in the 90-00, he was a powerfreak controler, on drugs, he wanted to stay at the top everytime, and anyone on his path was destroy like vader, he tried hard with the rock to destroy him but the rock was too must a super wrestler for him to destroy him.
love the man, but he was a jerk in '90 , at least he changed for the best and is a cool and zen man today
Kevin is the man period
Sean has to go a little harder with these types of questions if you are going to ask them..
It really erks me like a LOT..... that Bret (and I love Bret to death) AND FANS will NEVER let the Goldberg match go. They will just NEVER get over it and move on. But those same exact fans say fk all of nothing about the undertaker and Shawn's match. Not a hint, not a whisper nor a word. Same is true for the Owen Hart and Steve Austin match. Nobody brings up Rick rudes name whenever sting is talked about. It took me like 5 minutes to decide to use d'los name in this post but I just decided to because with the exception of Darren drozdoff all of those men were VETERANS that made HUGE mistakes. So my question is: how can everyone on that list be forgiven and the fans moved on. WHY the F is Goldberg the only one that is not redeemable?
I get what you're saying and pretty much agree. That said, most people don't bring up the Michaels/Undertaker match because deep down even the fanboys know it was bullshit. Go re watch it. Michaels back never hits the casket ND his hip barely grazed it. He never at any point right after the match said anything about his back being destroyed and needing surgery.
No, instead he suddenly brought it up when Vince told him he was jobbing to Austin at WM. Suddenly his back was destroyed from "hitting the casket" he never hit and "I need immediate surgery." It was losing his smile, the concussion and the fake knee injury all over again.
As for Sting/Rude, it's not brought up because it was so long ago and a freak accident.
Owen was brought up as dangerous in the ring until he died, then all was forgiven.
Bret won't let the Goldberg accident go, and the estrogen filled Beta marks all hate Goldberg for not being a 135lb gymnast so they refuse to let it go either. It's not right, but it's the world we live in.
@@onewarriornation602Michaels back injury wasn't bullshit. His lower did land on the edge of the casket. He had surgery in 1999 after unsuccessfully trying to rehab it. There's proof of the surgery. I doubt he did it to keep up appearances. He was able to wrestle by 2000. But his issues kept him out of WWE until '02
EDIT: Notice that from Royal Rumble '98 til WM14 Shawn didn't wrestle at all in the buildup to the match with Austin. Then watch the match with at WM14. As the match goes on Shawn's posture stiffens up and he can barely climb to the top rope. I believe he was hopped up on pain killers for that match.
@@Lord_Bibulous Better go rewatch that match with Undertaker. At no point in the match does his lower back make contact with the casket. His hip barely, BARELY grazed it not even to the point of an impact injury.
He barely Wrestled because he told Vince he was done doing jobs and "helping to put people over." Vince had to fully pivot to Austin and do whatever it took to force Michaels to job the belt.
Again, at no point did Michaels say anything at all about a back injury until Vince told him Austin was the guy moving forward and Shawn would be putting him over. It was at that point Austin claimed his back was broke and started trying to get out of the match.
Funny how a guy with a "broken back" leave the WWF and immediately starts a wrestling school where he is taking bumps with students every day. Not to mention doing matches in his Texas Indy Fed in 1999.
There's zero evidence of any back injury or supposed surgery. Shit, there's more evidence of the Loch Ness Monster than there is of Michaels ever injuring his back.
Fact is, Vince told him Austin was the top guy moving forward and yet again Michaels faked an injury to get out of doing the job. That failed and he "retired" instead of putting people over until Austin was on the way out and then miraculously one day his non-existent back injury healed itself and he made his grand return to the WWE to continue his career of not drawing money and burying superior talent.
@@onewarriornation602 Dude there was articles written about it in San Antonio's local paper. You saying they were in on it too???
@@Lord_Bibulous If that's even true, which it's a 99% chance isn't true at all, they were writing it based off of the WWF selling his phoney injury on TV and in their Magazines.
Shawn had top tier looks when he was in his prime in the 90s. You gonna create a lot of jealousy from others fr.
Shawn always was arougant all the time I saw him in the AWA but he had the right to be
Nash is a real one. The fact that he won't just admit that Shawn was an asshole, when it is damn near universally accepted that in the 4 or 5 years leading up to his injury, Shawn was an absolute dick. It's either Nash is a real one or a tad bit delusional or a little bit of both.
He’s his friend. He’s not gonna smash him on a shoot
@@nickfanzo it's smashing on him, When everyone knows what it was
@@joshuabowen6919 he still isn’t going to talk shit about one of his best friends, let’s use some common sense.
Michaels is the man who cares what the marks say
Why can't some people put a sentence together without saying fucking
I never had a problem with Shawn.
Rob Riggle fucked up one of Shawn's eyes.
Kevin knows the truth but won’t slate his mate . That’s fair enough
Fans of HBK and the Rock definitely want to know why those two legends couldn't put aside differences to make bigtime money together. There had to be a reason. C'mon nash. Spill it.
Shawn disrepected the Rock's Gran is what I heard.
Because Rock is an actual Legend and doesn't work with Curtainjerkers that don't draw.
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Two WWE legends. And we're talking about a time and era where every wrestler fought everyone hundreds of times. They didn't get in the ring once together. Something really big is there.
@@AndrewMay537 Michaels isn't a Legend. He is the worst drawing WWF Champion in History. The Rock one of the biggest.
They never worked together because in 1997-1998 Michaels was trying to bury The Rock in the company. The Rock then went out and did what Michaels never could: Draw and make money.
He had zero reason to go backwards and carry Michaels through a match, a match Michaels would have spent the entire time politicking Triple H to get Vince to book The Rock doing the job in.
Rock only started to blow up big in 98 after Shawn left/took his extended leave. Vince obviously needed another top guy to replace Shawn and the Rock was ascending at just the right moment and got the push to take the space HBK had vacated. By the time Shawn came back in 2002 the Rock was leaving WWF/E to pursue his hollywood acting career. So I think timing as much as anything is the real reason they never had a fued/storyline together. Realistically when would it have happened?
Here's what a lot of people don't consider when they talk about the heat between HBK and The Rock ... HBK had to wait probably a lot longer than he should have to get the I believe it was the WWF championship he was near the top of almost every list for best wrestler of the year best feud of the year and was super over and here comes this new guy who only started wrestling a about a year earlier because he failed as a football player and you have his grandma telling the owner of the show he should take the belt off this guy who's been busting his ass for years and put it on her grandson who wasn't popular at all to get him over ... How are you supposed to react when that news get's back to you because I don't know maybe I'm just a massive jerk but if a new 20 to 25 year old came into my job with his grandma saying he should have my job I'd laugh at her I wouldn't even bother to hold it in because that's how ridiculous it would be ... So was HBK a prick ... I'm sure he was but in this particular situation I think he was completely in the right and if anything it was The Rocks ego that ruined any chance of them working together
Lot of hate on here for HBK. Shawn is the best wrestler of all time. Nobody was doing the kip up at the time Shawn was doing it which only added to his legacy. Did he not want to do jobs sometimes sure you can make an argument but I know he’s jobbed for razor and diesel in back to back WM’s. Shawn’s run was nwo he had to go against which was blazing hot and the end was the rise of Austin who wasn’t a better wrestler than Michaels and even Austin says Michaels is one of the greatest of all time!
No
Your timeline is wrong, he is not the first to kip up, and brets work stands the test of time, while hbk looks goofy as hell
@@danieltravis5082 who else was doing the kip up smarty pants?
@@hendrix7948 both rougeaus brothers, antonia rocca, and the dynamite kid. But some random luchador probably did it even before them.
Sounds like a 200 hour Yoga Teacher Training. Seriously, it’s so catty! Put yourself training hours daily with the same type of person, wanting to do same thing professionally, & people WILL try to knock you down if they see you as a threat no matter industry to move up.