Bishop Barron on the Jordan Peterson Phenomenon
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2024
- Like many others, I have watched the Jordan Peterson phenomenon unfold with a certain fascination. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, you don’t spend a lot of time on social media, for Peterson, a mild-mannered psychology professor from the University of Toronto, has emerged as one of the hottest personalities on the internet.
Peterson to Father Mike Schmitz to Bishop Barron. That was my path from 20 years agnosticism to becoming a Catholic.
Have you looked into Orthodoxy?
@@josephboyat-bt1jf lol. Vatican Catholic is for schismatics while Barron is for cafeteria Catholics. Instead try Father Shannon Collins. He teaches true Catholicism.
So similar to my journey!
@deel man can you suggest specific vids of Peterson?
Next is father chad rippercherger
I spent years as an atheist, before hearing Jordan peterson talk and accepting the cultural christianity that built my world. Now, after watching his biblical lectures, I'm ready to take my family back to my childhood church.
The Lord works in mysterious ways, right?
Update 2022: wow, this was back at the very beginning of my journey to salvation. I have since come to understand that Christianity is more than a cultural thing. I accepted Christ as my savior as well as my cultural foundation. I have seen him at work in my own life, and he guides me now as I am attending a Christian college to become a clinical counselor.
Welcome Brother!
He does work in mysterious ways. Praise God!
He always get his man...;)
Yes. A lot more mysterious than you know. There is a way that seems right to man but in the end it leads to death.
Welcome, brother! So glad to have you as a fellow member of the flock.
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. - 1 Timothy 2:1-4
I was an Evangelical Protestant and I was honestly bored with Christianity, but Jordan Peterson made me look at my own faith with fresh eyes. He made me see another layer of truth in the Bible that I had never imagined was there. I started reading Dostoevsky at his recommendation, which got me interested in Orthodox Christianity. Learning about Orthodox Christianity got me tremendously interested in Catholicism, and now I intend to start going to mass and RCIA and become a Catholic.
welcome home, just remember you have joined a group full of sinners, mortal, fallible and defective like yourself welcoming forgiveness, reconciliation and looking forward to a useful existence eternally - here and in the life to come after death.
Messenger Charles I’m open to hearing why the Catholic Church may be wrong, but I’m not open to blatant heresy such as you linked.
I am Byzantine Catholic and our Liturgical worship is what you see in the Orthodox churches except we are in full-union with Rome and Catholic
welcome !!!
Hmm... you should watch this:
Why Francis Must not be Considered the Pope:
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St Malachy's Prophecy of Pope's and Antipopes:
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Why The New Mass and the New Rite of Ordination Are Invalid:
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Peterson is the reason I became a Christian. And then a Catholic. But you also helped me Bishop in becoming Catholic. Ive been watching your videos for years when I was an atheist and read your book on Catholicism . Thanks for all of your insights. :-)
Long story. Ive been meaning to write it all down so If I get to do that I will send it to you.
when did you become a Christian?
Same!
There's also survival of the fittest. Look up Machiavelli.
I’m curious why you were atheist in from the start? I️ would say I’m atheist I️ suppose and have religiously watched Jordan Peterson’s videos for almost a year. Peterson seems to use Christian theology to help explain what he sees in the world. But when you put a Christian on stage to talk with him. Peterson really stands out from being Christian. Someone could respond and tell me what they think on this, it looks like he takes the best rational atheist objective view of the world and combines it with the great poems/stories of the Christian religious text then uses them to try and explain what we all see in the world individually. But he doesn’t use the Bible as historical fact like this bishop started to say.
As a 66 year old raised South Baptist with roots of grandparents going back generations as Catholics. I started my RCIA classes in September. Bishop Barron has really helped me so much, I watch and listen to all of his videos and daily podcasts. Ordering Word on Fire Bible, I cant wait to see it. Thank you so much Bishop Barron.
I am reading the Bible because of that crazy Canadian.
AWESOME MAN!
If I may suggest, refer to the Coptic Bible (Alexandria version) for ancient testament. It is a direct translation from the Torah and for this reason more historically accurate.
Just as an example, there was no parting of the Red Sea by Moses but the crossing of marshes named the Sea of Reeds. The circumstances of the exodus from Egypt have historical roots with circumstances including politics and religion which were lost in the Jerusalem Bible which went through a series of translation from Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek, Latin then, in its first vernacular tongue, in German; the Gutenberg Bible.
The Old Testament is a story based on historical facts. There is much wider scope when taking in history and see how events unfolded. It makes the experience more enriching. Faith and reason can go hand in hand and if one accepts this, exploring the old testament closer to the sources will be more gratifying in terms of knowledge.
@@Disneygeek2 Hahaha, a very compelling argument
@@yes2truth Please look up Yam Suph.
Hahahaha, this is funny
Jordan Peterson has helped me return to faith in Christ. I highly recommend.
Good
Try to find the good soil this time. It takes work , but its a position that wont see you uprooted.
And I started going back to Mass after 20 years, and bringing my kids... lots of influences but all started with a JP lecture. Thanks JP!!!
Catholicism is a demonic force that sets itself up against God. Look into it and take better care of your children's future. You get one shot at this life and then eternity comes knocking.
Tony Smith- why don’t you enlighten the world. I assume you’re Protestant or evangelical of some sort. If it wasn’t for Catholicism maintaining and shaping itself very early on after Christ was crucified and establishing itself throughout the world you wouldn’t be able to live your faith as a Christian. The mere bible that you posses comes from the Pope Damasus gathering up all the letters and adding then looking over them and adding them to the Bible. If you don’t trust Catholicism then maybe you shouldn’t trust the Bible as well, since the New Testament was placed in by the church and presenting it to the world as the word of God.
Nik Kingman, everything I said is true. If you don’t like it I can’t help you with that.
Funny how someone who is 46 and wasn't the slightest bit interested in the Bible or Religion 3 months ago (me) is now lapping these videos up. Watching a lot of JP triggered this and somehow I find myself here subscribing to a Bishop's channel ...
if you're interested you may also like Edward Feser
you are on the road.
God works in misterious ways...
TheVimFuego - God is amazing that he can use unholy men to accomplish holy purposes.
This has nothing to do with religion. And everything to do with humanity.
"Stand up straight, get your house in order and act like a hero," this applies to all men, not just the young.
Jordan Peterson has literally changed my life. He’s helped me overcome my laziness, anxiety, procrastination. I literally prayed yesterday and thanked God for him. If any of you think about doing the future authoring program - DO IT. It’s excellent and with the grace of God it makes you holier.
salvationisfromthejews.com
He’s freaking AWESOME
Wish I could overcome those 3 things in my life .
I second the future auth program. Its very long and time consuming, but I space it out to work on a few times a week for a little while and it has helped mme discover new ways to navigate life's issues.
Look up Dealt, a video documentary about Richard Turner , one of the world's top card manipulators (he dislikes being called a magician). I know it might seem strange to refer to a card cheat in a discussion on religion, but Turner is remarkable. He can do some things with a deck of cards that no one else in the world can do and is a 5th degree black belt. But most amazing is that he is legally blind, he can't see the cards or the opponent attacking him. He learns to do things with repetition and perfect practice. I thought of him because he says people's two biggest problems are laziness and procrastination. You can view his MIT appearance on UA-cam.
Atheist here, and Peterson fan. His videos brought me here. These are strange days indeed. ;)
Agnostic and brought here for the same reason.
Your true calling 😏
Watch out you dont get drawn into Catholicism. Our battle is not against flesh and blood but against the rulers and powers in the air.
@@tonysmith5812 Catholicism is perfect especially now that the traditionalist revival is here
Well hello me from 2 years ago. How times have changed. I no longer identify as atheist and have embraced my Christian upbringing again. I’m also no longer a Peterson fan. What a difference 2 years can make, am I right?
I can’t believe I didn’t notice this video by His Excellency before!
Peterson’s lectures were the primary catalyst which led me to become Catholic.
I was in an intensely dark state of atheistic nihilism when I first encountered Peterson. I first watched his biblical series with the intention of criticizing it. But after listening to him making a case for the wisdom of the Christian narrative, I eventually, in a moment of desperation, reached out internally towards what Peterson calls the “Transcendent”... and what I found there was our Mother the Blessed Virgin Mary. She opened her arms to me, asked for my total surrender, and then carried me into union with her son, the Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. Now I know a joy and lightness which I couldn’t have dreamed of before I encountered the living God and his Mother. Ave Maria and Dominus Vobiscum!
Monseigneur Montjoie welcome home brother :) gotta love our Lady ❤️
Monseigneur Montjoie Amen! 🙏
God is so beautiful and generous beyond comprehension. Praise God. Ave Maria, the handmaid of the Lord. Amen.
There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death
I'm tearing up reading this! I've had a similar conversion experience as yours also with the Blessed Virgin Mary, Our Queen Mother coming to my rescue! Let's continue fighting the good fight! God bless us. ❤🌹
Jordan Peterson occupies a very strange place. I think he's trying to deliver the wisdom from the bible but avoids making onthological claims since his not a theologian and also because it would drive away many atheist. I think he's a very positive force in the world since he improves peoples lives and gets them intrested in religion.
Sure, many accuse him but still, his approach still works on many atheists who would never listen to a "clasic christian" and even helps christians who woulndt listen to other denominations. I think piling on him is ridiculous, hes helping everyone
Agustin, what he is doing is simple - he is pursuing truth with honesty, integrity, and courage. And if he keeps doing that in that way, all paths lead to Rome.
Absolutely. Referencing the Bible is the worst thing you can do when trying to win over someone with no religious background. At first at least.
@The Bibliognost If someone already doesn't respect the authority of the Bible then quoting it will just shut them down. Use your own experiences and words and then relate it to the Bible.
In school i learnt to hate religions. I've heard phrase "Chritianity is just a means to make people become sheep" so many times. I still arent too interested in religions but while listening dr. Peterson i have came to realize how fundamentally important christian values are. I dont believe in god but i have started living as god existed: to obey christian message as well as possible. You really cant go wrong while doing so
I was in a state of deep depression when I first met a Dr. Jordan Peterson video. I got instantly connected to the message and since then i started my journey of "cleaning my room" and "save my father from the belly of the whale".
It's not an easy task, being 43 years old and had to reavaliate your whole life, lived into the chaos. But its been an intense, positive and meaningfulll one.
I didn't kwow what FAITH means or how to express it in my life and this by itself took me out of medication. Its incredible when we realize that we can get sick just by denying our spiritual nature.
Its incredible when people talk of spirituality when they have no idea of where the battle really lies. Our battle is not against flesh and blood and its a shame that you were not able to give any glory to God for getting out of a deep hole in your life but instead you glorify a man.
If you dont know what you are fighting you will be digging out of that hole again.
Cadu, Peterson showed you the semantics. Now let Jesus show his love. HE loves you so much, that he was nailed to a cross out of love for ever single one of us.
I teared up reading your comment as I am in a similar journey as you, but as a 24 yr old person. Let's continue fighting the good fight! God bless us in our journey!
I started going to church and reading the bible because of Peterson, and here I am now. Love the channel.
Shame you didn't go because you heard what Jesus did for you on the cross. A church full of people who have not been called by God is simply a crowd of people. There is something missing here.
@@tonysmith5812 We all gotta start somewhere. Thank God for using people like JP or any other person to draw us to him.
You two need to talk if at all possible.
I second this! I searched for Bishop Barron and Jordan Peterson interview the other day thinking it may of already happened.
Do re-enact the famous fresco of the Academy of Athens, with Bishop Barron as Plato and Jordan Peterson as Aristotle?
I would like to hear Peterson talk with Edward Feser.
Andrew P Or Sam Harris and Edward Feser.
having listened and read both Sam Harris and Feser quite a bit, I really do not think Sam Harris would agree to a debate/talk with Feser.
Sam Harris' arguments would have no affect on Feser.
Sam would lose, and badly, depending on the subject matter ofcourse.
the reason is that most of Sams arguments "effectiveness" depends on strawmen (bringing up the Bible, YEC, dinosaurs, 9/11, Muslims, which religion, which god etc...), which simply would have no affect on Feser as Feser approaches it purely from a metaphysical/philosophical/natural theology perspective.
I think Sam would do ALOT worse against Feser than he did against WLC.
WLC still allows to feed the atheist troll within Harris, whereas with Feser, Harris would not have that same privilege.
having said that, Harris is sharp and would manage to raise a few good arguments - which I'm sure Feser is already familiar with.
I don't think that debate is worth it, I would rather see Feser with Peterson because Peterson is a bit more reasonable. Sams position is simply pure scientism/physicalism.
"That's where I would maybe engage Jordan Peterson if we ever had the chance to talk about some of these things."
YES PLEASE!
Sam McPhail thats a bummer.
I am Hindu and I enjoy this a lot.
I guess there is something there. Give yourselves the opportunity to get to know the Catholic Church. You wont be dissappointed
You also enjoy Hinduism, therefore, you are likely to enjoy this stuff because it is spiritually in conflict with God.
@@jaimejimenezmacedonio323 disappointed with your comment. Hinduism is one of the most ancient LIVING religions, the grandfather of Christianity.
We don't need to CONVERT to Christianity to appreciate it, dude.
We are tolerant and broad enough to let EVERYTHING CO-EXIST.
@@Lakshyam9 Shine on my friend
@@Lakshyam9 That was a pretty lame comment and illustrates why people like Jordan Peterson. He has no agenda to convert. Just a profound respect for these sources and a desire to share their meaning. I recently read the Bhagavad Gita
Dr. Peterson is gently pulling my son into a place where he can engage non leftist ideas more freely...ideas that he's firmly held since college years. Thank God!
Thank you Bishop Barron for all your awesome content. I would love to see you have a conversation with JP. Cheers!
Maybe Dave Rubin could arrange one of his 3-way conversations? Both Peterson and Bishop Barron have been interviewed by him. Peterson is something of a regular guest,
potkas7 great idea!
potkas7 Yes! Make it happen Rubin!
I've been hoping for that as well.
Yes, please do. This would be a great conversation!
Bishop Barron for patron saint of the internet
AVRAHAM SOMMER Yep. Just as Clare of Assisi (13th Century) is the patron saint of television.
Jackopollo Bishop Barron is in my "Take that, atheists" arsenal. He's a brilliant critical thinker and extremely engaging. 😊😊
I wonder what would be on his icon. :)
Matthew Anderson A mouse with a miter.
This low key made my day 😂
Bishop Barron, I can't tell you how excited I am that you did this video! I've watched Jordan Peterson many times, and every time I think, he's going to eventually arrive at Catholicism. He admits that he's ambivalent, and I think an interview with you would do him tremendous good. I'm praying for his conversion :)
Sarah Woodruff I am too!!!
I can't ever see him moving to Catholicism. At least, I would hope not.
Me too!
Sarah Woodruff - I agree that he appears to be on the road to Catholicism. He did an interview with a gentleman in Canada (if memory serves me). The interviewer is Catholic. It was a very good talk. He was very comfortable during the interview.
I hope Jordan Peterson never finds himself in the act of necromancy by speaking to the apostles or mary instead of God himself.
Thank you for this great review. I thought it might be pertinent that note that it was Peterson’s communications that brought me back to God and Christ.
That combined with a strong catholic influence of important people in my life means I’ll be joining the Catholic Church this Easter!
Cheers.
Let me know how you get on worshiping mary and contacting the dead when they speak to the apostles. Maybe you should ask God for the gift of distinguishing between spirits. That should open your eyes.
Catholic church ! My goodness. At least the satanist dont hide who it is they worship.
Excellent video, bishop! Now we just need you two to meet and talk about all of this.
The comparison of Peterson to Campbell is very apt, and is not a comment I’ve heard before. Great point. I’d love to see a discussion between the two of you.
although Peterson is critical of J Campbell for watering down and sanitising Jung's approach.
It takes faith to follow your bliss!
Ojisan642 You’re a bit slow ! Try to keep up !
There is a comparison between the two men but it is not a comparison in which Jordan Peterson fares very well.
Campbell was actually the very first thing I thought of when I first saw one of Peterson's lectures, probably shortly after his declaration against compelled speech (gender pronouns). Having seen the Jung references in Campbell's videos previously, it didn't interest me any further. It was only some time later that I saw Peterson's lectures on personality that went into the 5 most important personality qualities and how they're measured. THAT I found VERY interesting.
Peterson: the secular Prophet for the masses leading them into their first glimpse of the sacred. Right road and Peterson is still learning the way.
Peterson also stated that he does not want to dispense with the metaphysical, and in some sense this makes him more than a Gnostic of history. He also describes Christ as the ultimate hero, as a person who knowingly accepted his fate to die on the cross for our salvation - therefore becoming a hero above/beyond all heroes (a meta hero). I'd give an Amen to that!
Jesus is fully God. May that truth be revealed.
I found your channel through this video. I started to become curious about Christianity through Peterson's biblical lectures. It's difficult to express exactly why I find his videos and yours so fascinating. I saw a comment which touched on your ability to speak scholarly on the bible, but also to tie it into popular culture and current events. I think this is the best explanation I've found which can explain my sudden fascination with Christianity. I don't think it's insignificant. I think people are discouraged by the radical deconstruction of our culture today. Those who see the chaos but lack discipline or guidance fall into a nihilistic pit in the absence of a culture to lean on. I think Christianity is seen as the last stronghold of the morals and values which previously constituted our culture (as watered down and distorted as they were in that position). Peterson weighs in heavily on the deconstruction of western culture, while simultaneously serving to bridge the gap between culture and Christianity by analyzing both in the common domain of psychology. What the West has is worth preserving, but generation upon generation of political and religious apathy have resulted in the weakening of the minds tasked with upholding it. In its weakened state, it's become ripe for replacement by a wolf in sheep's clothing.
ACA332 both peterson and yung believe in spirituality to some extent and honestly being in the depths of nihilism my whole life i always ignored the idea of spiritualism as something to fool dumb people. Shows how dumb i really am
Jesus said that society would break down and things would get worse and even more dangerous. It was expected. Religion failed to stop this, so I wouldn't say the breakdown of religion had anything to do with society being better. Society has been vehemently against the things of God from day one and that hasn't changed over the centuries.. The problem is peoples lake of understanding about what following after God actually involves.
Yes Bishop Barron. It would be wonderful if the two of you would talk to each other. :)
Ask the Sumerians. They worshipped the stars as ancestors. Well, as an new creation story post Abraham, that bit had to go - so the order was reshuffled.
Having read Jordan Peterson's book, Bishop Barron summarizes it so well, and picks out key themes and concepts from it. One other rule that resonated with me, that is not mentioned here is to: "Pursue what is meaningful, not what is expedient". Having purpose, goals and dreams, as well as responding to our instincts is essential for both our personal and spiritual growth.
Professor Peterson is doing something that Church leadership has neglected for more than half a century. He is calling out our Christian based democratic leaders for their immorality and very bad ideas. He has courage and passion, and that is something sorely missing in the Church today!
You must lead a very sheltered life - Church leaders have been speaking with courage and passion for decades - a few examples are Pope John Paul ll statements on poverty and justice issues and Pope Benedict's encyclical Caritas In Veritate.
I wasn't addressing about poverty or social issues as what the modern liberal church likes to do. I was speaking about moral issues the same as Jordan Peterson does. He does it with a pasion I just don't see from the pulpit and you can tell by the huge following that he is getting that he is hitting the spot that church has abandoned. Example: I very seldom hear any preacher these days teach on the 10 commandments which is central to our faith, or challange people out their lives in regard to sin. The popular message these days is grace and God will sort out the rest. "Huge cop out!
Thanks a lot, O Bishop, My Bishop. As always, enlighting and delightful. You put some words to the hesitance I have with Dr. Jordan Peterson. I Saw the Patrick Coffin interview with Dr. J.P. and I think that his problem is that He is a very, very smart person, and He is trying to acquire a bit of faith through reasoning alone. And faith is a Gift, not a duty. In my point of view, he needs to read "Captivated by Joy", by Lewis, without his psychology lenses, and just a little pray wouldn't hurt...
Very interesting what you stated. GBY,
It would be great to see you and Jordan have a discussion.
Have you ever closely watched his early videos, Sam? There can be only one reason that you throw profanity at Jordan. You resent his courage to use traditional gender names in class. "Hi, boys and girls." Due to your own movement to the alt left. Our countries true fascists.
This is when I am so profoundly and humbly proud to be a Catholic. I could never speak as Bishop Baron, but I am simply and so grateful to be 'part of the flock'. I wish, everyone could experience this profound beauty the Catholic faith provides. I love my Protestant brothers and sisters, but I am so saddened they do not know what Catholicism is all about. It is beautiful, it is fulfilling, it quintessential intimacy.
Don't know much about Jordan Peaterson, but from what I've seen, he seems to put his neck out on the line. If only our priests and bishops would do the same.
Wouldnt happen. There is no power left in the church because God cannot get a look in. Hence islam and transgender thinking are taking over the spiritual void that the church has left behind.
Bas Wenmakers Bas you are so right......Argumentum ad ignorantium ab unum disca omnes..........(From one man learn all people)............Veretas!!!!!
As a confessional Lutheran, this is a very good analysis of Jordan Peterson and your concerns match mine. I value JP a lot in today's world, but I think you hit the nail on the head when you talk about bracketing history and the psychological Gnosticism he approaches the Scriptures with. I'd love to see you and Jordan Peterson sit down for a chat.
Oh the irony. A Lutheran concerned about a Gnostic approach to scriptures....
Could you elaborate please, Tom? I'm not intimately familiar with Lutheran doctrine, but from my superficial understanding of it I don't see how it aligns with a Gnostic approach.
Not really. Sola fide comes directly from Ephesians 2:8-9 "For it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast"...seems Scriptury to me.
Andrew - Respectfully, though Luther was perhaps not "strictly" Gnostic by the theological definition, in practice his approach was hardly discern-able from Gnosticism.
Central to the new religion Luther invented in the 16th Century was his personal claim that, among all the peoples and institutions on earth, HE (Luther) ALONE possessed the special ability (secret knowledge, if you will) to correctly "interpret" the Bible; or stated in Gnostic terms - to discern and teach the "secret knowledge" contained in the Bible but somehow "hidden" from the Apostles and their successors for some 15 centuries. (and thereby implicitly asserting that he was a prophet).
Also central to Luther's new religion was his absolute prohibition on "private" Bible interpretation by ANYONE other than himself, and his ardently held belief that ANYONE outside his new, perfected religion was doomed to hell.
These days, Protest-ants typically are NOT taught any of this, yet it's all there in Luther's writings. Instead, Protest-ants are offered a Highly SANITIZED version of Luther.
Interestingly, and paradoxically, these views were completely shared, or perhaps I should say echoed, by the other "great" (sic) reformer, John Calvin: Calvin also believed that he (Calvin) alone, among all the people of earth, possessed the "secret knowledge" to correctly "interpret" the Bible, that private interpretation of the Bible by ANYONE else must be expressly forbidden, and that anyone outside HIS (Calvin's) version of the new and perfected religion was doomed to hell.
Funny, huh?
God Bless You!
Andrew - Re. your comments re Ephesians 2:8-9. Respectfully, these verses actually do not support the man-made doctrine of Sola Fide, IF we take the passage in context and accept the meaning Saint Paul attached to it.
Saint Paul was writing to refute the contention of the Jews of the First Century that they were saved by works under the Mosaic Law. When you read all of Saint Paul's letters you see that this was a consistent message. Salvation is not from works under the Mosaic Law. On this we all agree.
The Church does not (and never has) taught that salvation is from works of ANY kind, but rather that Salvation is an unmerited, unearned, and un-earn-able gift from God. (so far, so good, right?)
Where Luther erred was his insistence that Faith is merely mental ascent (believe 'in your heart"). In support of this innovation, Luther even preached that Christians SHOULD sin, and should "Sin Boldly". Christ taught just the opposite, and we see this pretty clearly in the Bible.
The Catholic Church teaches what Christ taught, that salvation is only from God's Grace, but that faith means more than mere mental ascent, it also includes love and charity. And thus, in love and charity, Christ wants us to cooperate in God's Grace by the way we conduct our lives.
This is NOT the same as "works-based-salvation", is is often claimed. But it is quite different than the view of many Protest-ant sects that Salvation is simply a legal transaction - check the box (say a sinner's prayer, respond to an altar call, etc.) and go to heaven, regardless of how we live the rest of our lives. Christ didn't teach this. Saint Paul didn't teach this.
God Bless You!
You and Peterson should have a conversation on The Rubin Report.
in that case I'd go and contribute to The RR Patreon, if it was abt to happen
I AgREEE with that
But Peterson seems to avoid any religious interviews
I was abused as a child by Catholics, because of this I developed a deep resentment for Christianity. Jordan Peterson's lectures on the bible helped me to forgive religion and rediscover my faith. I am a Christian because of Dr Peterson.
So many of us were too, Kas. I ask your forgiveness on behalf of truly christian catholics for your misfortune at the hands of people identified as Catholics. You will find that your experience will eventually become a source of strength and compassion, you will become one of the wounded healers.
@@ThePacdoc I have nothing but love and forgiveness for people like you
You, Jordan Peterson, and Ben Shapiro have truly changed me.
I pray the holy spirit changes you too.
Ben Shapiro?
Be careful with Ben. He might be a bit too much. Good luck in your journey and G_d bless.
Get off the internet kid.
It makes me so happy to have his Excellency speak kind words about Jordan Peterson he's been a real positive influence and helped me find new light and meaning in biblical stories I had always known but couldn't quite describe in such detail. It be amazing to have Jordan Peterson meet you for a meeting of the minds. *(edit)* I think it's important to understand meaning in the stories as well have faith and acknowledge the truth in them about Jesus who he was as a Catholic individual. I can see where treading must be done carefully as to not undermine the structure completely. The foundation is as important as the message they mean to behold.
For anyone interested, a guy named Jesus of Nazareth _also_ had 12 Rules for Life that can be summarized thusly: Obey the Ten Commandments, Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself, and Love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your strength and with all your mind. ;)
Really? Cool thanks
Well said - thanks.
He actually summarized the Ten Commandments in his 2 rules.
Not too sure about the obey the ten commandments part. It only partly reflects His expectations for our behaviour. love God and man (paraphrased) is more exhaustive of this.
Think he said that the 10 Commandments was an abstraction From broader set of rules. He had 42 on Quora initially which was supposed to be a ironic joke too hitchhikers guide to the galaxy lol
Having you speak with Peterson would be a delight to the mind. You are both extremely well educated and insightful, and have that wonderful blend of respect and humility to actually let the other fully communicate their ideas. .
This is very well said. Ive read Petersons book and watched ton of his lectures. You do his work justice in like 10 minutes. Well done.
I'm an admirer of Jordan Peterson. I feel the same way about Bishop Barron. They both breathe new life into our heritage of faith. Both men seem intellectually worthy of the profoundly daunting task of salvaging the mission of the West, and, more importantly, reinvigorating it's foundational faith for a distracted culture. I'm not Catholic, and I'm not an academic, but I can see the importance of these two perspectives coming together. It's a reconciliation of sorts.
Baron worships false Gods. So... he should be successful in getting people to admire him because they have no idea of what assails their souls.
the way Peterson's "hero archetype" was presented here kinda reminds me of the Man for All Seasons, himself, St. Thomas More--house put well in order, in terms of his principles, and he stood firm against the chaos of the English Reformation (and, of course, he could have otherwise settled for the "appearance" of peace and order [eg, comfort, prestige, etc], simply by violating his principles & taking Henry's oaths).
yes, I first found out about St. Thomas More when studying the Reformation as a Protestant. I saw him as the "bad guy" who opposed my hero, William Tyndale. I thought the only reason he opposed the king's remarriage & oath of supremacy, even unto death, was that, after spending all those years criticizing (and even killing) Protestants, he'd lose his "standing among men" if he flip-flopped, or that he was trying to work his way into God's favor through his "relatively easy" martyrdom (beheading, as opposed to drawing & quartering, burning at the stake, etc). But...that was a very simplistic view of a major historical event. anywho, my views have since changed.
Some Guy Luther is the person to be examined by you
Wow. Your distillation of Peterson was so evenly scaled down to 11 minutes that I don't think Peterson could represent himself as clearly in the same time. And I appreciate your mention that the power of the gospel goes infinitely farther than mere legends and archetypes.
The power of the gospel he preaches goes even further to what Jesus preached. Not in the right direction either.
I have been following J. Peterson's "phenomenon", too. In one of his videos, I automatically wrote "So many things we Catholics have already sorted out". I stand to that. He is definitely searching for the truth and hopefully he will find it some day through his intellect. I think he is a well-meant man with strong principles but there is still a road ahead for him. Tony Judt used to say that young people nowadays are lacking in intellectual leaders. I applaud the fact that Peterson is actually one of those intellectual leaders and that he has helped many youngsters (especially MEN) to appreciate themselves more and to find themselves worthy of existing in a time of extreme Feminism.
I've been watching Jordan Peterson a lot and thought exactly the same, I started to get worried about him but I also understood that exactly that is his path. Right now the young need this, the religious part will come along as it came to me.
The religion is personal.
Bishop Barron, why not think about doing those 12 videos? The Jungian archetypal approach to the Biblical texts is compelling, and the Christian historical approach to the Gospels is also compelling. Put them together and you've got a fresh and convincing proclamation of Christ as the fulfilment of humanity's deepest unconscious desires. Peterson's work with the Biblical texts has the potential to act as a powerful "praeparatio evangelii".
John Deighan I recommend you to read Pope Benedict XVI’s Jesus of Nazareth
Carl Jung put children in cages for experimentation - anything he wrote is not relevant for good mental health or spirituality.
And the end result will still be worshiping that awful false God of Mary rather than Jesus
Great synopsis on Jordan Peterson & his influence on contemporary culture!! Thanks Bishop Robert Barron!!
Lapsed Christian and some kind of cafeteria catholic I was for a long time. Then I heard this Canadian man speak. I have started to pray again. I watch more and more videos about Christianity. Wrote an essay in university about Constantine the Great. He made an impact so to speak.
I'm an old lady and I found 12 rules brilliant! I'm now working my way through "Maps of Meaning " It will stretch your brain!
Man I would LOVE for the both of you to talk.
What fascinates me about you Robert is that you discuss a lot of topics in an unbiased and non dogmatic way while you abide by Christianity, that’s very positive.
Well done Bishop Barron. I see your point. I have personally been helped by Jordan and think Peterson will indirectly lead people to the faith. God draws straight with crooked lines. He finds a way to wake us up, then says “come follow me.”
*fangirl squeal* Father Barron talking about Dr. Peterson?! Yassss. I wanted to know what his thoughts were on his book. I hope he might do an interview or talk with him sometime.
Kelsey Hinton you made me smile. Thx
Oh, I had a fangirl squeal too, Kelsey! :)
Jocelyn YASS fangirls unite! Haha I love both their content so much, I could barely contain myself.
:)
What a treat this morning! One of my favorite persons talking about another one of my favorite persons!
I discovered Dr Peterson through UA-cam recommend list. Pretty much my accident. It was his interview with that English woman. Since then I discovered his Biblical lectures and I have been entranced with them ever since. Wishing him well good to see him recovering and his to see new lectures soon.
Loving Bishop Barron's talks. I've listened to a few of his talks on various topics. He's a class act. And I'm a huge fan of Jordan Peterson.
I bought his book! Praying for his conversion. May God Bless Him.
Norbert Reyes me too!!
I thought he was already Christian
Nick Kraw - Jordan's very iffy on his response to being Christian. He refuses to directly answer that he even believes that Jesus rose from the dead.
Nick Kraw I thin he just recently turned to accepting Christianity 😉❤
The man clearly has great gifts from God, but unfortunately the evidence suggests he's not a Christian. medium.com/@chrisantenucci/why-jordan-peterson-has-more-in-common-with-atheists-than-christians-f4950c87dd6b
The "problem" with Jordan Peterson is that he's just presenting his perspective as an individualist, and that this perspective is spun again into identity politics. People that attach themselves to a "Team-Peterson" collective don't understand what it is they think they're supporting. Likewise, those against him see his perspective only as a new threat of some new collective against their own. There's no forgiveness for that perceived identity, so you can never get past it to discover anything about any one such labeled individual. That's ultimately what he is against, but those that cling to collectivism will never see beyond their perspective to realize this. I do think that Peterson is guilty of riling up the us vs. them storyline, however. It's certainly great for sales and notoriety. He's a master of this game.
Yes. Well said.
Well, he helps thousands of people to straighten out there lives, maybe we can all learn something from this great man!
He's a narcissist....
Fantastic!!! Really caused me to rejoice in the adventure of faith and the hard work of being human!! Thank you to both Jordan and Bishop Barron.
Wow! Very good! Thank you, Bishop Robert Barron!
“Stand up straight, get your own house in order, be a hero, and SPEAK THE TRUTH.” It takes a hero to always be Truthful in a world culture of liars.
What a great thing it would be to see you two discussing things together. I have often wondered if Peterson had or would be interested on reading Aquinas.
I consider myself an atheist (raised in the church since birth) but I find Peterson and Bishop Barron very interesting. Very glad to see so many people interested in important philosophical questions/problems.
the two of you in (a lengthy) conversation is a must. please do it.
i follow both of you with great attention (and appreciation).
One major caveat I would like to make in Bishop Barron's comparison of Peterson to Campbell and Jung is that Peterson is despised and hated by many. He almost lost his job as Professor.
He is also hated by the New Atheists because he has argued powerfully that religion is necessary for human flourishing. Science without religion is incapable of this great endeavor.
He is also hated by the Post Modernists and Marxists because he exposes the totalitarian bent of political correctness.
There is no doubt that this man is carrying a great burden. In one recent interview, he was crying because of the letters he receives from people who state that Peterson has literally saved their lives and at the same time, he has been and is still vilified by many in and outside of government, on the Internet etc.
He needs to be prayed for.
Father Barron is right in his criticism of the denial of the historical. But considering the great pressure he is under and hate that he receives, one can give him the benefit of the doubt.
And I would argue, that his own quest for truth under levels of persecution will lead him to the full truth.
God bless
Michael S I haven’t heard Peterson deny Christianity and it’s historical truth claims. The gnostic aspect of his view of God though is something Baron points out so well at the end of the video. I find that tension fascinating! I hope it can be explored more! Another video on that here would be great!
Peterson had never denied the historical or the metaphysical.
Neither Campbell nor Jung lived in a world of fractured identity politics. Today if you dont toe the line, use the right phrase then you are the enemy. And today's leftists unlike the liberals of my generation do not respect the rights of others to think for themselves. Personally if I got near a colkemge campus these days I wnould have ten groups hating me in ten minutes because I would expect them to act grown up.
Michael S ,Fantastic post
I disagree. with your comments, I WAS an atheist and find Petersons idea of the Spirit I CAN BELIEVE. Thank you to Father Baron for your comments.
Seriously, I think Bishop Barron could be the 1st Pope from the US of A. For sure needs to be a Cardinal.
If you like Bishop Barron, I wouldn't wish the Papacy on him.
Absolutely not.
Sad to hear that's what you are hoping for. You'd be wishing for a Pope that denies the possibility of hell. He's unfortunately a heretic. I hope he repents and becomes like Paul, rather than continuing to follow Judas
Hope you realize the gravity of slandering a Bishop of the Catholic Church. Bishop Barron never, I repeat, never denied the possibility of Hell. You are very patently lying and irresponsibly misleading/scandalizing people. But you will reap for what you sow, stay assured. It is a most grave sin
Marcel if he's hasn't denied hell then he at least has tried to pull people's minds away from the reality of hell. He also said if he was given the power he wouldn't remove the legality of gay marriage from America. He has also has tried to bring his flock to appreciate Martin Luther by calling him "a mystic of grace"...Martin Luther - a soul that was so anti-Christ he makes satanists jealous that they cant reach his level of evil. These are just *some* of the *public* rotten things Bishop Barron has done.
I think you're good to try to defend a bishop. But at the end of the day when we see the sad reality that we have a wolf in sheep's clothing we must warn people and pray for his conversion.
Lucid, inspiring and informative ! Thank you Bishop Barron.
I just purchased Jordan Peterson's book after watching this video. I would love to see Bishop Barron and Jordan Peterson have a discussion that we can view. I saw Jordan Peterson being interviewed this morning and this is the first time that I have heard him say that he is a religious man and that when asked if Jesus was Divine he responded "Render to Cesar what is Cesar's and to God what is God's", then he said , that is a miracle statement made by Jesus.
I think he's a Canadian Hero!! He's helping a lot of people.
I've enjoyed almost anything I've seen of Jordan Peterson. Great stuff. The question is how to apply those lessons to what's going wrong in the Catholic Church. Maybe young men need less Beatitudes and more 10 Commandments. Less social work and more stories like St George and his Dragon, and of course, Christ Himself. There's a lesson in here for those trying to reach young men with the faith. And I'm pretty sure we're not listening. :(
A M aye bro maybe more beatitudes and the Commandments and whenever priest can, link back to beautiful disciples(saints) who lead the way. God bless you my friend
A M - Brilliant observation.
A good point.
Thank you Bishop Barron for your (constant) generosity of spirit, affirming what is laudable and right, and drawing caution to the gnosticizing element of Dr. Peterson's approach.
Thanks from a Latin Mass Catholic in L.A. who loves Jordan Peterson.
And you love mary. And you love the pope. Ask God for the gift of distinguishing between spirits and see if your life doesn't change.
I very much enjoy Peterson and I think there is a lot of wisdom to glean from his lectures. That being said, I am careful not to idolize him and I'm always mindful to filter any unscriptural ideas when listening to him.
Peterson gives an excellent talk on Logos to a mostly Eastern Orthodox crowd. There are two other speakers (one an Orthodox carver, the other a priest).
Search “Jordan Peterson Logos Pageau”. A couple hours well worth your time, whoever is reading this.
After seeing it, as well as other things he’s said in interviews, I’m not sure my initial impulse to understand his POV as neo-Gnosticism was accurate.
I agree!
Hey, R T, did you mean about this 2,5h long video? Please confirm, is this the only thing you are referring to, or there is more than 1 video? Regarding his pov, he never seemed to me really Gnostic, even tho he does sound like one. My initial impulse is .. well, it was a complete shock that, there is a Western intellectual, interpreting things in such an Orthodox way. Oh it was a blast! It still is :)
LittleBox87 Yeah; there are other appearances with Pageau as well, and I’ve seen other talks from JBP that underscore what I would consider very compatible with Orthodoxy.
I’ve been on a bit of a binge since posting this previous comment and have noticed Peterson’s views evolving (or perhaps clarifying?) in the last year or so. Nothing overt, but I’m curious if anyone else has noticed it.
Yes, but I'm interested more in those other talks you mention. I've seen as much as I have pending yet, but.. I'd really like to know what you find compatible with Orthodoxy. Pageau IS Orthodox as I understood, so its not about him I'm wondering, even tho I'm interested. I will watch this now, all my plans for the rest of the day just collapsed, haha.
Also, what do you mean by evolving/clarifying? I've noticed it as well, but I wonder are we talking about the same thing.
P.S. I tried to send you a message in private, but I'm a dummy for yt inbox haha. I guess just post it here, please. Thanks!
I absolutely love this video for looking so candidly and holistically at the world, and for speaking to young men specifically, especially today when young men are SO under attack. Thank you for this, Bishop Barron.
Thank you brother. Just looked at this clip and it brought tears to my eyes. I've been saying for sometime that JP "might" be a bridge to Christian faith but had been unable to articulate why.
I have spent some time thinking and you did a marvelous job articulating the historicity problem. Thank you. Count me in your corner!
I am agnostic but I am interested in what the Bishop has to say !
Im happy for you. Good luck when you hear him telling you its ok to worship false gods like mary or that all faiths worship the same god.
Bishop Barron and Jordan Peterson are the two people on the internet that I find that have the greatest insight on life.
Thats because you have not listened to or even heard of Art Katz.
I look forward to s conversation between the two of you. Thank you for your clear and insightful thoughts. He is risen!
Thanks for the heads up, monseñor. Dios lo siga bendiciendo.
You gotta love when another human discovers natural and moral law :)
Its all in the bible. They didn't discover it.
I am expecting those 12 videos to expand on Jordan Peterson :) But really, would be interesting to comment more on him through various angles. In terms of your last point about historicity, another Christian commentator of Jordan Peterson, Paul Vanderklay (would recommend checking out his commentary! e.g. ua-cam.com/video/K40g6yuI-Ps/v-deo.html) finds many parallels between Jordan Peterson and C.S. Lewis. And Pastor Paul shows this very convincingly. C.S. Lewis was also very interested in myths and was led to conversion through conversations with J.R.R Tolkien (also interested in myth), and who challenged C.S. Lewis to see Christianity as the "true myth" (true in the historical/actually happened sense). Peterson doesn't simply say that he see's Biblical stories as purely archetypal, well at least not the story of Christ, and is open to it potentially being the "true myth" in this sense. He is much more ambivalent about this, so he's not simply applying Jungian analysis to the resurrection story but he is also not where C.S. Lewis/J.R.R. Tolkien was in accepting it as the true myth. He's somewhere in the middle.
Anyway, glad you made this video. Hope there's more dialogue on several of the points Peterson brings up as his rise indicates these are some of the crucial ideas/tensions that are animating are individuals and society (politically, spiritually, etc.)
Bishop Barron addresses these exact topics you are mentioning in the following "Word on Fire SHOW" episode
wordonfireshow.com/episode118/
That is the second of two talks devoted to Professor Peterson. First one here
wordonfireshow.com/episode117/
Thanks I'll check'em out!
I love this video on so many levels, Jordan Peterson, Hero's Journey, going from order to stepping into the unknown, living a life of good heroic character traits inspired by the great stories. God bless Bishop Barron.
My husband and I made the Campbell connection with many of Mr. Peterson's talks. We enjoy the speed and depth of his talks. There is so much meat to digest and think on.
Jordan would probably say, he does not think the Biblical stories exhaust themselves in metaphor. Meaning he thinks it might be more than metaphor, but since he's a psychologist he focuses mostly on the metaphor.
Jacob011 yup, he says in his lectures he believes there are places where the physical and transcendent sort of touch and doesn’t rule it out but he needs time to think about it
where did you come from? never heard of you before. but I'm glad I stopped by and had a listen. going to watch the rubin interview next keep up the good work father.
Hi Bishop Barren! I listened to your interview with Peterson then looked up some of your videos and am now watching this one. Your issue with Campbell and Peterson's lack of signifying to the historical reference in the biblical text IS one of the main reasons why they appeal to so many people. We have gained too much knowledge and multiple ways of seeing the Universe and our place in it. If Nietzsche claimed God is dead, I will claim literalism is dead. It does not matter if Jesus actually rose from the dead or if certain events actually happened. They are in the past and are nought. The message, the logos of the message as it applies to the living awareness and spirit in each of us, is alive. Only two things can reach people. The readiness within to receive the message and watching the examples of others who are already possessed by it.
I listen to the discussion that you had with him. It was a good talk. It was the first time I'd met you online. I've been listening to Peterson almost 5 years. I'm Orthodox Christian. I like the way you present the Christian faith, acknowledge the faults in some of its practices, go deeper into the early Christian fathers and mothers, and practice to be better. That's rare in the West, which is why I looked East. Thank you. I'm looking forward to hearing more of your talks.
8:25 "Before we reform society, first reform yourself." Isn't that the premise of Jesus' pre-condition for the Kingdom of God? Transform the individual. Transform society. Society is a reflection of the sum-total of its individuals. If the individual is in chaos (radical selfishness resulting in personal interior chaos, emptiness, and hopelessness), then our own nation out to the world is in the same state. Christ is our only hope. The Jungian idea of archetype is merely the discovery of what God has planted within each of us in order to seek and find Him.
And the child abuse?
wrong theology. What you have written would suggest that peace can be achieved globally if everyone adopted this thinking. Jesus clearly states that things will get worse and more dangerous, he also state that if you truly follow him that everyone else will hate you. You are not transforming any society, it is against how God has set things up.
Great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could listen for hours to a conversation between Bp. Barron and Dr. Peterson; two very intelligent, educated minds at work. Make it happen, word on fire!
Thank you Bishop Baron, I would enjoy watching you and the good Doctor having a chat together, hopefully that can happen. Dr. Peterson is a God send in my opinion.
Bishop, might I make a request? I am a 19 year old missionary from Australia currently in Papua New Guinea. You're the only decent, Catholic, English speaking theologian I can find on the Internet. Is it possible for you to do a commentary on the Gospel of each Sunday? You have done some, like the woman at the well, which was fantastic in its richness and brevity. Usually I use Fr. Raymond Brown since he's was a genius, but his books are so expensive, and his commentaries are so long it's hard to pinpoint when he speaks about each gospel. Each week we do a 30 minute radio programme here and I do a short commentary of the Gospel on that Sunday. I don't want to give the same cheap catechesis each week and want to give something kerygmatic but also theologically sound. If you could help me out I'd appreciate! Too many commentaries out there are Protestant, useless! And the others that are good I've found are Italian, which I understand maybe one out of three words! Peace be with you Bishop, and regardless of whether you see this or not, thank you for what you have been doing, I listen to your talk on the 7 deadly sins very often and have given it in parts to others at particular moments.
Try the youtube channel of Sensus Fidelium (sensusfidelium.us). It is by FAR the best Catholic channel on youtube. Good luck, brother!
Have you considered learning Italian? LOL
JP is the best of all in the modern era who has such a profound grasp on what makes us tick. He speaks old wisdom that relevant today.
This man changes and saves humans.
Peterson has a firm grasp on the state of the human nature. He has no grasp on how to relate that to God and what we should do about it.
Your discussion reminded me of Isaiah 1:16-17: make yourselves clean, cease to do evil, learn to do good, seek justice, correct oppression. When I read that a couple of months ago, I was struck by the sequence of steps. Your point--to get one's own house in order first--echoes these verses. Thank you for you and for introducing me to Peterson.
Donna also similar to Jesus's own words 'take out the plank in your own eye before you take out the speck in your brother's eye'
Thank you Your Excellency for your theological insight. I think many of us would love to see you engage in a discussion with Dr. Peterson. In fact he had a really good interview with Patrick Coffin. Anyway, something to look forward to : ) God Bless you!