You’re a J-w. You can’t be both, and since you’re still loyal to being a J-w , that’s what you are. Stop trying subverting to the church like your ancestors have done for 2000 years and why the world is hell today. Don’t even TRY to being up this J-wish lie of “judeochrisrian values were all children of Abraham and of the book”
Welcome home, brother (I am assuming you are a convert; forgive me if this is incorrect). Let us pray that more Jews make their way back home and that we may assist in this process as God wills it.
I love that a Jew and a Catholic can have an honest, respectful conversation regarding faith. As a Catholic, I truly appreciate Ben Shapiro and is desire to discuss these things. Ben actually inspired my desire to reconnect with my Catholic faith. I am beholden to him for this. My life is much more meaningful. So thank you Ben.
@Gigi Ghiba bible alone is impossible because the first Christians never had the New Testament for over three hundred years but rather the tradition of the church so it’s both scripture and tradition
@@markwilkie7633 exactly I could never be Sola scriptura aka protestant when it says clearly in 2Thessalonians 2:15 that there are teachings that were passed on by word of mouth. Duh Obviously! The deposit of faith has always been an important key element. Tradition plus The Word, both. How could we neglect and ignore that entire part of our faith? That's like missing 50% of the information...No thanks. If you look to the Orthodox and Catholic Church, both go back to the beginnings of Christianity, to the teachings of the Apostles, passed on by The Early Church Fathers, this was all set in place for us to be fully reverent and fully worship God. Not rock concerts and random nonsense preaching... But a beautiful richness involving tradition and scripture, clearly lacking in all other man made denominations who translate scripture however they please. If anything it should tickle everyone that Protestants claim sola scriptura yet they follow an incomplete bible. Martin Luther removed a bunch of the Bibles original books, and added words to the bible. He almost succeeded in removing New Testament work too, based on his ideology. I mean who was he to decide what was inspired to go in the bible? The Early Church Fathers in The Catholic Church had already chosen what was inspired, Scripture that existed in The Church for 1500 years. And if you include the Old Testament Scripture which existed amongst the Jews for thousands of years more. Suddenly it's not important enough to be there per Martin. He reinvented the bible, and that wasn't a red flag to everyone? I could never trust that. I'm sticking with The Early Church Fathers!
@Gigi Ghiba So you believe Sola Scriptura is heresy? So are ye a Schismatic member of a dissident oriental rite(aka so called Eastern Orthodox)? Cause a Protestant rejecting Sola Scriptura is like a Muslim telling wee Muhammed to Jump in a lake.
Thank you Bishop Barron ❤ I recently inherited my Fathers religious items after his passing. His Grandmother raised him and was a devout Catholic. When I saw the adoration books from the 1800s and all of the prayer cards she preserved I knew it was my greatest honor and duty to return to our Catholic faith. My children are being baptized and making their 1st Holy Communion next year. The prayers of the Catholic Church are not in vain we are coming home 🙏🏼
I'm back to Catholicism after a long journey that led me to protestantism to agnosticism to atheism. After two years of meditation, study, traveling I returned occasionally to Mass, and now weekly. I returned to eucharist, I returned home, I returned to Jesus and I found a faith stronger than I ever had. Feels good. I feel free. I really appreciate Bishop Barron social media work and sermons, he's a bright intellectual.
Beautiful convo. As a born & raised Jew who's now a recent convert to Catholicism, I appreciate this dialogue greatly. I heard tonight that Bishop Barron's book, "This Is My Body" is sold out. I'll have to wait for the next printing now or borrow it from my priest. The Eucharist is THE most beautiful thing on earth.
Quran says Allah is “Al-Ahad”(one/indivisible).Deductively, It is impossible for perfection to have parts. Not just the Quran(preserved), but also the old/new testament(not preserved) textually scream oneness of Allah. So, then why believe in trinity and associate two imaginary parts to Allah(one/indivisible/self-sufficient/all-loving)?How could your love/worship be undivided/exclusive only for Allah(the most Exalted) when there are two other equally unique/perfect entities? If three entities are distinct and co-equal/co-eternal, then How do you define “Trinity” as one/undivided (“Al Ahad”)?
@@MorallyResponsible you have asked many questions, and all of them can be answered if you research Christian theology and apologetics. many other Christians have answered your questions in better ways than i could. the Bible does teach about God being one, and He is. the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are in complete unity. thats why Jesus in John 10:30 says "I and the Father are one." if you replace the words "the Father" with "God" (since muslims claim when Jesus talked about the Father He was talking about God, which is true) He would be calling Himself God. so by worshiping Jesus, you are worshipping the Son and Father with/through the Holy Spirit. worshipping Jesus is worshipping the one true God. John 6:40, “For it is my Father's will that all who see His Son and believe in Him should have eternal life. I will raise them up at the last day.” and your claim that the quran is preserved (assuming you mean perfectly) is historically untrue. copies of ancient quotations and texts relying upon ancient copies of the quran have shown that dramatic variations in text existed. even muslim scholars have admitted to qurans differing in different parts of the world. muhammads best teachers and reciters couldnt even agree on which chapters were supposed to be in the quran. one of muhammads companions, abu musa, said that the early muslims forgot two chapters due to laziness.
Ben parasites in Catholic community for the interests of Israel and Isral lobby. Check what he said about Jesus on Joe Rogan and stop being “a goy” like Ben calls you.
@@moonlightravel According to Doctrine of Trinity. There are three persons that are co-equal/Co-Eternal&distinct. Each person of trinity is an absolute Perfection. According to the Quranic/Philosphical principle of "Al- Ahad": Perfection has to be one/indivisble/unchanging. 3 Absolute perfections cannot exist. Only one Absolute perfection could exist: Allah(the most exalted). As Quran states: "There is nothing equivalent to Allah"."Allah! There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him, the Ever-Living, All-Sustaining."
I agree, although not all bishops are academically gifted, eloquent, and well acquainted with the tradition and all that surrounds it. But I agree they should do more in terms of catechizing us their flock. I didn't have to discover the Summa by chance after 25 years of being Catholic. I should've been taught some of the things I'm now learning on my own as an adult. My parents tried their best but the Church should do better to equip future parents starting when there're still teens. Edit: If anyone could help, I'm struggling to pay rent and feed while I'm scouting for employment. I live in the middle east. I really could use anything, including prayers.
All Catholic Bishops share the same views, I can assure you that. But as in any other "profession" , not all of them are as gifted to communicate them as Bishop Barron does. He is also a respected theologian and philosopher, has written many books, etc. You can not expect that from every Bishop, let alone your local priest.
As a Catholic who studied the book, "Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist", I found Ben and Bishop Barron's conversation engaging and great dialogue.
As a protestant, I am amazed at the clarity of Bishop Barrons responses and his sensitivity in putting the new testament in its original context. Well done
@@mattcahoe8311 that rich history is tethered to Jesus Christ himself who founded the church which you can even Google. Jewish tradition is obviously deeply rooted in that as Jesus Christ was a Jew. Lucky for us Judaism has been fulfilled by Christ the Messiah.
@@KH-vp4ni I don't think he spoke well of anyone's tradition, since it tends to devolve into rebellion of God's Torah, just as he said in Mark 7:13 "you nullify the word of God by the tradition you have handed down..." As far as Jesus being head of his body, the church, that is indisputable. However, any institution actively promoting rebellion against what he has explicitly stated cannot claim that title since it is only made for those who have placed their trust in Him.
Fascinating discussion. I am set to be confirmed in the Catholic Church tomorrow, Pentecost Sunday...this after years in the Episcopal Church. It is the power of the Real Presence of Christ in Eucharist that has drawn me to convert. Eucharist is central to our relationship with God.
Such a beautiful conversation. Never would have imagined a Jewish person and a Catholic person exchanging doctrinal knowledge so dynamically and respectfully. Blessed be God for his wonderful and mysterious ways.
Radio talk show host Dennis Prager used to have a show called “Religion on the Line” back in the ‘80s. It was only on Sundays and he would have a Rabbi, Priest, Minister, Imam or whoever he could get on a particular Sunday to discuss the issues of the day from their various perspectives. They would also discuss each particular religion and its theology. It was a very interesting show. Dennis is now on 5 days a week on a show that deals with wide ranging subjects of national interest.
@@donelmore2540That’s really great. Hopefully there will be more of such endeavors by knowledgeable people. Thanks for the info, and have a blessed day.
Jews and Catholics are the single most opposite faiths in history. They are fundamental different , one rejects and hates Christ and one thinks Christ is God. Wtf are you even talking about? So you not know 1 ounce of history for the past 2000 years ?
@@GigiGhiba-vh3zscomplicated semantics. One God, 3 Persons. (Hypostatic Union, see Athenasian Creed) One Truth, many attributes that are true. (Christ's I Am statements in John)
I appreciate your comment. Time to come over to Rome? U can have a valid sacramental eucharist then. The reformation was only quite recent and has gone disastrously wrong
@@wbl5649 so let me ask you this …. In the flesh have you ever stopped breaking the 10 commandments? Are you perfect? What’s the Bible say? Romans 3:10 (KJV) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Are you the one? So answer the question - do you keep the 10 commandments to ATTAIN salvation? YES or NO? Simple question 🙋♂️
@@_ready__ your original post infers we should not seek to follow, that they have been abolished...God's Law is eternal and perfect. Christ did not abolish it, He said so Himself. So I guess by all means you should go commit adultery ot theft and feel spiffy about it, because you arent " under the Law" / sarc.
I am greatly blessed to be a Catholic! Thank you Bishop Barron for bringing alive the Judaic roots of Eucharistic so brilliantly. This conversation is so close to unity of Jews and Catholics !! Glory be to God !
@@_ready__ yes. John 3:5. “Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of WATER and the HOLY GHOST, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
I have often said that when we drift away from rituals, from Mass attendance, synagogue attendance, it all fades into a distant memory, a memory that becomes tainted by our own emotions and intellect, and by influences of the world. There is a brilliance in the mandate to attend Sunday Mass. Without this structure it eventually all becomes lost. Great conversation between two great minds.
Interesting you say that. When I was a young adult, my life wasn't coherent with my faith, and I didn't pray much, yet I never stopped going to Mass. I intuitively knew that stopping that practise would be cutting the umblical cord, leaving me anchorless and adrift. It saved my life, and today my life is centred on and rooted in the Eucharist.
@@pjm001 very interesting, it seems like oral tradition written in the Talmud is similar to the oral tradition of the Muslim prophet Muhammad found in the Hadith. Am I correct to assume the Talmud made Judaism stricter in following "the law" ?
Great conversation! I love the expression “kantian morality is rooted in the fumes of christianity”. SO MANY non-religious people today do not realize how much of their values come directly from the judeo-christian tradition.
I am a "cultural Christian" who does not accept the literal truth of the scriptures, but I do believe that living the lifestyle of Christian tradition is still beneficial for both the individual and the society the individual lives in. After all, those Christian traditions became traditions because they worked.
@@FinalLugiaGuardian That’s great. I would just point out that the Scriptures are not to be always read “literally”. The Church has been teaching how to read the Bible since the early centuries, and that requires guidance because of the layered nature of the text.
@@FinalLugiaGuardianYeah, Christ said we'd know false prophets by their fruit. You've probably accepted a lot of it besides the transcendent aspect. Which happens to be the foundation of... all of it. Kantian Naturalism is great! Because it's like a sword with nowhere to grab it until you admit that you're talking about God's divine logos, nature, and Morality. Naturalism is actually where I felt called back, because the assumptions it makes are answered in Christianity.
There is hope for the human race! Can you imagine for one moment 2 politicians having a similar discussion about any topic? Calming presenting views even if they don't have the same philosophical, political, or religious base. Listening, letting the guest speak, not arguing, ultimately letting the listener absorb new ideas. This is so refreshing.
This is so needed. I hope this Eucharistic revival bears so much fruit in terms of raising people's consciousness with regard to the Real Presence. Bishops should do more in terms of catechizing their flock. I didn't have to discover the Summa by chance after 25 years of being Catholic. Even early teenagers are capable enough to handle theology and metaphysics, so they should be weaved into the Catholic school curricula. Edit:
I am a Catholic who has the most utter respect for the Jewish Tradition and old testament. You are our elders and our faith in Christ is the sacrifice that opened heaven to us all. I could not ignore the Jewish tradition any more than I could ignore God.
Many thanks Ben for your interest and respect. This camaraderie is wonderful and deeply human in the best way. I love you Bishop Robert Barron. Edit here , I love you too Ben , you’ve got a great soul .
As a person raised in a radical reformation tradition (Pentecostalism) who is in the last few years being enlightened by the Holy Spirit on the sacraments, I enjoyed this conversation, Great minds coming together 👏🏽
Thank you for this! I have many Jewish friends as a Catholic and although they are don't believe in Our Lord Jesus I still love our conversations about religion
We are so privileged to have Bishop Barron guiding us. I've been reacquainting myself with my Catholic religion because on my own in the secular world, my life fell apart, and I have found so much encouragement and nourishment from listening to videos Bishop Barron has posted. I absolutely trust him and am grateful to God for all his contributions.
The level of respect Ben shows in all his conversations with different Christian leaders is very inspiring. May all of our discourses with those outside of our communities be that respectful.
That was probably the best 12 min of anything I’ll watch on the internet this month . Your two of my favorite people.... you guys always have fascinating conversations... you should speak with Ben monthly on topics mutual to both our Faiths ....
Thank you Ben Shapiro for having Bishop Robert Barron on for this interview regarding his book about the Eucharist and religion in general. Excellent discussion and manner of presentation.❤
See everybody, 2 men who don't share the same beliefs discussing them respectfully and calmly in a give and take exchange. THIS is how civilized discussion is supposed to be handled! Thank you both! Great job!
I am a newbie viewer of DailyWire. Never would I have guessed that one of your segments would bring nostalgia of my former philosophy class, particularly Mr. Sims(R.I.P.❤) Thank you Mr. Shapiro.
Such a respectful, mature and intelligent discussion from both Ben and Bishop Barron. I enjoyed the discussion for sure, but I most enjoyed the respectful manner in which you treated each other. So unusual to see these days. Thank you.
Bishop, thank you... It seems we're on the roundabout of subjectivism. We've been here before...and you pre-empted the importance of 'communication ' many years ago. God Continue to Bless your ministry. Ben Shapiro, I really admire and love your strenght of mind, how you know yourself and Love of God 🙏 Every single day of the week...
As a Filipino Catholic, I appreciate the brilliant conversation between these two intellectuals talking from different but related perspectives. God bless you both
The Jewish people are the natural branches on the vine and we Gentiles have been grafted on. It’s a beautiful vine! Read what the great Saint Paul wrote about this in the epistle to the Romans.
I love when religious people of faith get together and talk. Even two Jews and even two Catholics don’t always agree. I think this is wonderful. We should have more of this. These two are respectful, smart for sure, and blessed by God and love God! It also shows that we have to be studied and well read and knowledgeable to have intelligent discussions! Many of today’s young people, and even old people don’t have critical thinking and don’t know history or information and just have not learned well. It goes to show how important a good education is. I love it thank you so much Ben and Bishop Barron.
When I attended a synagogue service for a bar mitzvah, near the end it came to the point where the kid and other members of the community came forward to read from the Torah, which was kept in a tabernacle in the center of the worship space. The parallel with communion, going forward to have God's Word put in your mouth, really struck me.
Every sentence of this 12 minute conversation could be expanded into an entire semester course in a Theology or Philosophy program. Its amazing how many insights, how much inspiration can flow from such a brief discussion between two people so devoted to discerning and sharing God's Truth.
Even Nietzsche warned about how morality would fall once its Judeo-Christian foundation completely crumbled. Rituals connect us to the past and allow us to maintain/build a community for our children's future. Excellent video.
@@wecx2375 It actually is a thing. Orthodox (small o) Christians realise the Jewish roots of their faith and celebrate and appreciate their Jewish forebearers. Having a Jewish father and a Catholic mum, I can say that there is much more mutual respect btw their faiths than most Evangelicals have towards Catholics.
@Charlotte Martel I'm an Orthodox Jew. You are wrong. We aren't even allowed to step foot In a catholic church by Jewish law because catholics are idolatrous pagans.
Passover is a wonderful moadim of God. I'm thankful Jesus invites us to participate in such a wonderful Feast of Unleavened Bread every year. Do Passover in remembrance of Yeshua.
This was a great conversation, I couldn't help but notice though when Bishop was asked by Ben what is the Eucharist, at no point did he mention it is the real body and blood of Jesus, as a Catholic I would've liked to hear that articulated since it is the source and summit of our faith.
Thank you, Ben Shapiro, for allowing the bishop to talk about the Eucharist, a topic no one fully understands yet with all respect you heard the Bishop out.
If anyone hasn’t read “This is My Body” yet, please get a copy. It is the most phenomenal thing I’ve ever read and by page 3, I was floored at how well he explained everything.
I wonder how much a person who interviews Bishop Barron has to study before asking him any questions? I really truly appreciate this interview, because all the eschatology regarding the Eucharistic Revival is touched on. Grateful Believing Catholic here saying thank you to both of these two speakers. ❤
WOW !!! --- Two of My Favorites ...... --- A Great Jew and A Great Catholic !!! My love for these two have grown even stronger now ... --- Even though my intelligence level does not match, or even come close to these two men .... I understood completely what these two have said ... I usually drown in their talks in five minutes but this was interesting enough and enjoyable enough to keep up ... God Bless these two !!! .... ---- Thank You Bishop Barron and Ben Shapiro ...
How delightful to find two of my favorite and great intellects, Bishop Barron and Ben Shapiro, together-united in their agreement of the importance of tradition and ritual, despite their disparate religious beliefs. Thank you for this discussion.
The Eucharist is the greatest struggle of my faith, it never stops becoming strange and to submit to that is an act of profound humility and submission. Every time I’m “worthy” to receive it is a great experience
There is also a great need to speak of and discuss Humility, and not only morals and ethics. How can one prove the Humility that Christ speaks of to us?
The loss of spiritual tradition begna to deteriorate with the boomers. The hippie generation rejected religion and traditional morality and as they created the Gen X and Millennial generations, we had zero guidance into anything spiritual. Only my Jewish friends were given that teaching and leadership by example. And even with that, most Jewish people I know under 50 only go to temple for the high Holy days, if that.
It is vitally important for Jews and Catholics to engage in constructive dialogue. Both sides do not have to agree but continuous dialogue has the best possible chance to show that we have more in common than we think. Sure, there are some hard points of disagreement but that does not mean such disagreements should prevent us from dialogue. Ben Shapiro and Bishop Barron are setting a fine example for all of us!
Ben parasites in Catholic community for the interests of Israel and Isral lobby. Check what he said about Jesus on Joe Rogan and stop being “a goy” like Ben calls you.
As a Catholic of Jewish heritage, I’m very happy to see this type of respectful and insightful dialogue.
You have the best of both worlds!! Blessings
Is good to know.
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You’re a J-w. You can’t be both, and since you’re still loyal to being a J-w , that’s what you are. Stop trying subverting to the church like your ancestors have done for 2000 years and why the world is hell today. Don’t even TRY to being up this J-wish lie of “judeochrisrian values were all children of Abraham and of the book”
Welcome home, brother (I am assuming you are a convert; forgive me if this is incorrect). Let us pray that more Jews make their way back home and that we may assist in this process as God wills it.
I love that a Jew and a Catholic can have an honest, respectful conversation regarding faith. As a Catholic, I truly appreciate Ben Shapiro and is desire to discuss these things. Ben actually inspired my desire to reconnect with my Catholic faith. I am beholden to him for this. My life is much more meaningful. So thank you Ben.
@Gigi Ghiba Sola scriptura is heresy.
@Gigi Ghiba bible alone is impossible because the first Christians never had the New Testament for over three hundred years but rather the tradition of the church so it’s both scripture and tradition
@@markwilkie7633 exactly I could never be Sola scriptura aka protestant when it says clearly in 2Thessalonians 2:15 that there are teachings that were passed on by word of mouth. Duh Obviously! The deposit of faith has always been an important key element. Tradition plus The Word, both. How could we neglect and ignore that entire part of our faith? That's like missing 50% of the information...No thanks. If you look to the Orthodox and Catholic Church, both go back to the beginnings of Christianity, to the teachings of the Apostles, passed on by The Early Church Fathers, this was all set in place for us to be fully reverent and fully worship God. Not rock concerts and random nonsense preaching... But a beautiful richness involving tradition and scripture, clearly lacking in all other man made denominations who translate scripture however they please.
If anything it should tickle everyone that Protestants claim sola scriptura yet they follow an incomplete bible. Martin Luther removed a bunch of the Bibles original books, and added words to the bible. He almost succeeded in removing New Testament work too, based on his ideology. I mean who was he to decide what was inspired to go in the bible? The Early Church Fathers in The Catholic Church had already chosen what was inspired, Scripture that existed in The Church for 1500 years. And if you include the Old Testament Scripture which existed amongst the Jews for thousands of years more. Suddenly it's not important enough to be there per Martin. He reinvented the bible, and that wasn't a red flag to everyone? I could never trust that. I'm sticking with The Early Church Fathers!
@@GardenMinistry. yup👌😁
@Gigi Ghiba So you believe Sola Scriptura is heresy? So are ye a Schismatic member of a dissident oriental rite(aka so called Eastern Orthodox)? Cause a Protestant rejecting Sola Scriptura is like a Muslim telling wee Muhammed to Jump in a lake.
Ben having the grace to ask Bishop Barron about the Eucharist is incredibly generous. Thank you Ben. God bless you. Wow.
Thank you Bishop Barron ❤ I recently inherited my Fathers religious items after his passing. His Grandmother raised him and was a devout Catholic. When I saw the adoration books from the 1800s and all of the prayer cards she preserved I knew it was my greatest honor and duty to return to our Catholic faith. My children are being baptized and making their 1st Holy Communion next year. The prayers of the Catholic Church are not in vain we are coming home 🙏🏼
Welcome! What a beautiful story!
Wow- that's so encouraging! Thank you for sharing! May God bless you and yours!
This is such a gift of hope for me. Praying EVERY DAY, EVERY PRAYER, that my kids return to the faith of our family, all the way back.
@P A That's wonderful! My kids are 30, 30 and 32.
@@paulawarnes9951 Even if they don't all return one may. My sisters think I'm crazy but I don't mind. I'm praying for you and your family x
I'm back to Catholicism after a long journey that led me to protestantism to agnosticism to atheism. After two years of meditation, study, traveling I returned occasionally to Mass, and now weekly. I returned to eucharist, I returned home, I returned to Jesus and I found a faith stronger than I ever had. Feels good. I feel free. I really appreciate Bishop Barron social media work and sermons, he's a bright intellectual.
Welcome Home!
Beautiful. Praise God!
Welcome home brother ❤
Luke 15, 24 🙏 Welcome home Marco 🎉
That pipeline has been busy lately. Lol Welcome home!
I pray many will see the beauty of His Body in the Eucharist.
Beautiful convo. As a born & raised Jew who's now a recent convert to Catholicism, I appreciate this dialogue greatly.
I heard tonight that Bishop Barron's book, "This Is My Body" is sold out. I'll have to wait for the next printing now or borrow it from my priest. The Eucharist is THE most beautiful thing on earth.
Amen🙏
Praise God for your conversion !! ❤❤ God Bless!
Welcome home.
What did you read or who did you talk to or listen to that helped your conversion?
Read the Torah and repent
Two of my favorite human beings talking religion. My day has been made
Quran says Allah is “Al-Ahad”(one/indivisible).Deductively, It is impossible for perfection to have parts. Not just the Quran(preserved), but also the old/new testament(not preserved) textually scream oneness of Allah. So, then why believe in trinity and associate two imaginary parts to Allah(one/indivisible/self-sufficient/all-loving)?How could your love/worship be undivided/exclusive only for Allah(the most Exalted) when there are two other equally unique/perfect entities? If three entities are distinct and co-equal/co-eternal, then How do you define “Trinity” as one/undivided (“Al Ahad”)?
@@MorallyResponsible you have asked many questions, and all of them can be answered if you research Christian theology and apologetics. many other Christians have answered your questions in better ways than i could. the Bible does teach about God being one, and He is. the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are in complete unity. thats why Jesus in John 10:30 says "I and the Father are one." if you replace the words "the Father" with "God" (since muslims claim when Jesus talked about the Father He was talking about God, which is true) He would be calling Himself God. so by worshiping Jesus, you are worshipping the Son and Father with/through the Holy Spirit. worshipping Jesus is worshipping the one true God. John 6:40, “For it is my Father's will that all who see His Son and believe in Him should have eternal life. I will raise them up at the last day.” and your claim that the quran is preserved (assuming you mean perfectly) is historically untrue. copies of ancient quotations and texts relying upon ancient copies of the quran have shown that dramatic variations in text existed. even muslim scholars have admitted to qurans differing in different parts of the world. muhammads best teachers and reciters couldnt even agree on which chapters were supposed to be in the quran. one of muhammads companions, abu musa, said that the early muslims forgot two chapters due to laziness.
Ben parasites in Catholic community for the interests of Israel and Isral lobby. Check what he said about Jesus on Joe Rogan and stop being “a goy” like Ben calls you.
@@MorallyResponsible God is not made up of passions or parts.
@@moonlightravel According to Doctrine of Trinity. There are three persons that are co-equal/Co-Eternal&distinct. Each person of trinity is an absolute Perfection. According to the Quranic/Philosphical principle of "Al- Ahad": Perfection has to be one/indivisble/unchanging. 3 Absolute perfections cannot exist. Only one Absolute perfection could exist: Allah(the most exalted). As Quran states: "There is nothing equivalent to Allah"."Allah! There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him, the Ever-Living, All-Sustaining."
Wow!!. What an amazing interview !!. Why can't all bishops be like Bishop Barron!
I suppose we wouldn’t regard such gifts as precious if they were so common.
I agree, although not all bishops are academically gifted, eloquent, and well acquainted with the tradition and all that surrounds it. But I agree they should do more in terms of catechizing us their flock. I didn't have to discover the Summa by chance after 25 years of being Catholic. I should've been taught some of the things I'm now learning on my own as an adult. My parents tried their best but the Church should do better to equip future parents starting when there're still teens.
Edit: If anyone could help, I'm struggling to pay rent and feed while I'm scouting for employment. I live in the middle east. I really could use anything, including prayers.
Yes, it's nice to hear a bishop speak from the Gospels and not the Alphabet agenda.
@@Charlotte_Martel Excuse me, have you heard someone from the Catholic Church speaking favourably of gender ideology or something like that?
All Catholic Bishops share the same views, I can assure you that. But as in any other "profession" , not all of them are as gifted to communicate them as Bishop Barron does. He is also a respected theologian and philosopher, has written many books, etc. You can not expect that from every Bishop, let alone your local priest.
As a Catholic who studied the book, "Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist", I found Ben and Bishop Barron's conversation engaging and great dialogue.
That is an excellent book that I feel more Catholics should definitely read, what a good work.
As a protestant, I am amazed at the clarity of Bishop Barrons responses and his sensitivity in putting the new testament in its original context. Well done
You're amazed? Hilarious. The Catholic church is incredibly philosophical and well spoken as a whole. We don't shun education.
Is that rich philosophical history tethered in the historical context of the Tanakh or aristotelian and Hellenistic philosophies?
@@mattcahoe8311 that rich history is tethered to Jesus Christ himself who founded the church which you can even Google. Jewish tradition is obviously deeply rooted in that as Jesus Christ was a Jew. Lucky for us Judaism has been fulfilled by Christ the Messiah.
@@KH-vp4ni I don't think he spoke well of anyone's tradition, since it tends to devolve into rebellion of God's Torah, just as he said in Mark 7:13
"you nullify the word of God by the tradition you have handed down..."
As far as Jesus being head of his body, the church, that is indisputable. However, any institution actively promoting rebellion against what he has explicitly stated cannot claim that title since it is only made for those who have placed their trust in Him.
@@mattcahoe8311 you need to do more research sir. 🤷
Fascinating discussion. I am set to be confirmed in the Catholic Church tomorrow, Pentecost Sunday...this after years in the Episcopal Church. It is the power of the Real Presence of Christ in Eucharist that has drawn me to convert. Eucharist is central to our relationship with God.
May you be blessed with the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. 🙏
God bless, great to have you !.
@@declancronin437 Amen! May it be so!
@@RickW-HGWT Thank you, Rick!
Do you also believe one must follow the 10 commandments to ATTAIN salvation?
Such a beautiful conversation. Never would have imagined a Jewish person and a Catholic person exchanging doctrinal knowledge so dynamically and respectfully. Blessed be God for his wonderful and mysterious ways.
Judaism is the basis of Catholicism. Jesus is the fulfillment of Judaism.
Radio talk show host Dennis Prager used to have a show called “Religion on the Line” back in the ‘80s. It was only on Sundays and he would have a Rabbi, Priest, Minister, Imam or whoever he could get on a particular Sunday to discuss the issues of the day from their various perspectives. They would also discuss each particular religion and its theology. It was a very interesting show. Dennis is now on 5 days a week on a show that deals with wide ranging subjects of national interest.
@@donelmore2540That’s really great. Hopefully there will be more of such endeavors by knowledgeable people. Thanks for the info, and have a blessed day.
As a Roman Catholic I thank you for showing us how much we have in common.
Thanks too for clarifying and solidifying eternal truths.
Do you also believe one should follow the 19 commandments to ATTAIN salvation?
Jews and Catholics are the single most opposite faiths in history. They are fundamental different , one rejects and hates Christ and one thinks Christ is God. Wtf are you even talking about? So you not know 1 ounce of history for the past 2000 years ?
@@GigiGhiba-vh3zscomplicated semantics.
One God, 3 Persons. (Hypostatic Union, see Athenasian Creed)
One Truth, many attributes that are true. (Christ's I Am statements in John)
@@_ready__ Do you mean the 10 commandments?
@@haronsmith8974 yessir
As a Protestant I have to say that was such a beautiful description of the Eucharist. God bless you brother!
I appreciate your comment. Time to come over to Rome? U can have a valid sacramental eucharist then. The reformation was only quite recent and has gone disastrously wrong
Jesus said unless you eat of the flesh of the son of man you have no life within you, time to become Catholic
One couldn’t Adore the Eucharist enough!
Idolatry
Do you also believe one should follow the 10 commandments to ATTAIN salvation?
@@_ready__ do you believe you can continue to break them and attain salvation.
@@wbl5649 so let me ask you this …. In the flesh have you ever stopped breaking the 10 commandments? Are you perfect? What’s the Bible say?
Romans 3:10 (KJV)
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Are you the one?
So answer the question - do you keep the 10 commandments to ATTAIN salvation?
YES or NO?
Simple question 🙋♂️
@@wbl5649 yes.
Can you answer the question?
@@_ready__ your original post infers we should not seek to follow, that they have been abolished...God's Law is eternal and perfect. Christ did not abolish it, He said so Himself. So I guess by all means you should go commit adultery ot theft and feel spiffy about it, because you arent " under the Law" / sarc.
I am greatly blessed to be a Catholic! Thank you Bishop Barron for bringing alive the Judaic roots of Eucharistic so brilliantly. This conversation is so close to unity of Jews and Catholics !! Glory be to God !
Catholicism = legalist Judaism ✡️
Do you also believe you should follow the 10 commandments to ATTAIN salvation?
@@pjm001 water saves?
@@_ready__ yes. John 3:5.
“Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of WATER and the HOLY GHOST, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
@@cardboardcapeii4286 you have the wrong liquid. It’s the blood of Jesus that saves!
Oh yes. Two of the most outstanding gentlemen on UA-cam. Gonna watch this on the big TV.
Great comment
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I have often said that when we drift away from rituals, from Mass attendance, synagogue attendance, it all fades into a distant memory, a memory that becomes tainted by our own emotions and intellect, and by influences of the world. There is a brilliance in the mandate to attend Sunday Mass. Without this structure it eventually all becomes lost. Great conversation between two great minds.
Interesting you say that. When I was a young adult, my life wasn't coherent with my faith, and I didn't pray much, yet I never stopped going to Mass. I intuitively knew that stopping that practise would be cutting the umblical cord, leaving me anchorless and adrift. It saved my life, and today my life is centred on and rooted in the Eucharist.
“DO THIS in memory of me”.
Barron did a very good job orienting his message in a way that appeals to Shapiro's Judaism.
I noticed that too - I do not think that is a bad tactic when you are a guest. Allows participants to open up and shows there is common ground.
Christians need to remember Jesus was Jewish. If we keep this in mind, it will help bridge the gap and increase mutual respect
@@pjm001 his gripe was with the ones of the day for being show ponies
@@pjm001 please elaborate. Are you saying modern orthodox jews have the same traditions of the pharisees 2000 years ago?
@@pjm001 very interesting, it seems like oral tradition written in the Talmud is similar to the oral tradition of the Muslim prophet Muhammad found in the Hadith. Am I correct to assume the Talmud made Judaism stricter in following "the law" ?
Great conversation! I love the expression “kantian morality is rooted in the fumes of christianity”. SO MANY non-religious people today do not realize how much of their values come directly from the judeo-christian tradition.
For the dwindling few who possess them, yes, lol.
I am a "cultural Christian" who does not accept the literal truth of the scriptures, but I do believe that living the lifestyle of Christian tradition is still beneficial for both the individual and the society the individual lives in.
After all, those Christian traditions became traditions because they worked.
@@FinalLugiaGuardian That’s great. I would just point out that the Scriptures are not to be always read “literally”. The Church has been teaching how to read the Bible since the early centuries, and that requires guidance because of the layered nature of the text.
I like to see Kant as the first step back to Christ
@@FinalLugiaGuardianYeah, Christ said we'd know false prophets by their fruit.
You've probably accepted a lot of it besides the transcendent aspect. Which happens to be the foundation of... all of it.
Kantian Naturalism is great! Because it's like a sword with nowhere to grab it until you admit that you're talking about God's divine logos, nature, and Morality.
Naturalism is actually where I felt called back, because the assumptions it makes are answered in Christianity.
Wonderful discussion. Thank you Ben for having Bishop Barron. Very kind and open minded of you. Thanks again!
At the start Ben referred to Bishop Barron as his friend.
When Bishop Barron speaks, people listen. I really appreciated this discussion. Thank you Ben Shapiro for making this possible.
What joy to see these two deep in conversation So impressed Shapiro invited the Bishop
Just giving me so much hope
There is hope for the human race! Can you imagine for one moment 2 politicians having a similar discussion about any topic? Calming presenting views even if they don't have the same philosophical, political, or religious base. Listening, letting the guest speak, not arguing, ultimately letting the listener absorb new ideas. This is so refreshing.
Thank you. Two American men, respected and loved, sharing beauty.
This is so needed. I hope this Eucharistic revival bears so much fruit in terms of raising people's consciousness with regard to the Real Presence. Bishops should do more in terms of catechizing their flock. I didn't have to discover the Summa by chance after 25 years of being Catholic. Even early teenagers are capable enough to handle theology and metaphysics, so they should be weaved into the Catholic school curricula.
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My prayers are with you 🙏🏼. I was in your shoes a year ago.
@@vanessa.jasmine Thank you and God bless you.
I am a Catholic who has the most utter respect for the Jewish Tradition and old testament. You are our elders and our faith in Christ is the sacrifice that opened heaven to us all. I could not ignore the Jewish tradition any more than I could ignore God.
Many thanks Ben for your interest and respect. This camaraderie is wonderful and deeply human in the best way. I love you Bishop Robert Barron. Edit here , I love you too Ben , you’ve got a great soul .
Big fan of you both, Ben and Bishop Barron. I’m Catholic and a subscriber of the Daily Wire. Such a treat hearing you two in discussion.
As a person raised in a radical reformation tradition (Pentecostalism) who is in the last few years being enlightened by the Holy Spirit on the sacraments, I enjoyed this conversation, Great minds coming together 👏🏽
Thank you for this! I have many Jewish friends as a Catholic and although they are don't believe in Our Lord Jesus I still love our conversations about religion
We are so privileged to have Bishop Barron guiding us. I've been reacquainting myself with my Catholic religion because on my own in the secular world, my life fell apart, and I have found so much encouragement and nourishment from listening to videos Bishop Barron has posted. I absolutely trust him and am grateful to God for all his contributions.
The level of respect Ben shows in all his conversations with different Christian leaders is very inspiring.
May all of our discourses with those outside of our communities be that respectful.
It's Christians who can't agree.
@user-zi1kr4kd1v Some personalities get along with others more than others. Regardless of the culture or religion.
This is the second time you've had Bishop Barron on in several months. I like it!
That was probably the best 12 min of anything I’ll watch on the internet this month . Your two of my favorite people.... you guys always have fascinating conversations... you should speak with Ben monthly on topics mutual to both our Faiths ....
Agree!
Thank you Ben Shapiro for having Bishop Robert Barron on for this interview regarding his book about the Eucharist and religion in general. Excellent discussion and manner of presentation.❤
Ben. Much respect for your open mindedness! Love Bishop Barron!
I love it when these two exchange thoughts and beliefs. As a Catholic I love both of their orthodoxy.
As a catholic I respect Ben, he is a down to earth guy
As a devote Latin Rite Roman Catholic I was very impressed with how this interview was conducted. Well done
This is so edifying. Thank you guys for talking about this… a Protestant. ❤
I loved hearing Bishop Barron calling out the Dodgers recently!
Thank God for Bishop Barron bringing philosophy back into religious conversations & calling out the Kantian origins of today’s many cultural problems!
What a treat to listen to this interview! Two of my favorite teachers!
See everybody, 2 men who don't share the same beliefs discussing them respectfully and calmly in a give and take exchange. THIS is how civilized discussion is supposed to be handled! Thank you both! Great job!
I love Bishop Robert Barron! I could listen to him all day…and be better for it.
I am a newbie viewer of DailyWire. Never would I have guessed that one of your segments would bring nostalgia of my former philosophy class, particularly Mr. Sims(R.I.P.❤) Thank you Mr. Shapiro.
This was fantastic. Two great minds having an open and substantial discussion. God bless you both.
Bishop Barron has a way of expressing the profound so beautifully and meaningfully. Praise be to God for a wonderful, faithful shepherd!
When Bishop Barron is on, I watch. Multiple times.
I'm not even Christian and I love watching him speak about this.
Then sacrifice your life for the Israeli lobby as a good goy you are.
Nice to find two great minds saying something substantive.
Two brilliant guys discussing things that matter - how refreshing!
TWO? - one, surely. But then, you might be right: one of them was talking so fast, all I got was: *&#$%@#&98@#%+-;:§\…~!{}...
Such a respectful, mature and intelligent discussion from both Ben and Bishop Barron. I enjoyed the discussion for sure, but I most enjoyed the respectful manner in which you treated each other. So unusual to see these days. Thank you.
Bishop, thank you...
It seems we're on the roundabout of subjectivism. We've been here before...and you pre-empted the importance of
'communication ' many years ago. God Continue to Bless your ministry.
Ben Shapiro, I really admire and love your strenght of mind, how you know yourself and Love of God 🙏 Every single day of the week...
As a Filipino Catholic, I appreciate the brilliant conversation between these two intellectuals talking from different but related perspectives. God bless you both
Same here.Indeed
As a Catholic I have a profound love for the Jewish people as I see them as our elder brothers.
The Jewish people are the natural branches on the vine and we Gentiles have been grafted on. It’s a beautiful vine! Read what the great Saint Paul wrote about this in the epistle to the Romans.
Bishop Barron is an absolute hero and I enjoy listening/watching from Australia. I hugely admire Catholic intellectualism.
I’m a Jewish convert. Seeing this is just…. Amazing.
I love the philosophical and theological depth that the good Bishop brings to these conversations. It's what I've been searching for...
I'd love to hear them talk more.
Ben and the Bishop!!!
I love it ❤
I love when religious people of faith get together and talk.
Even two Jews and even two Catholics don’t always agree.
I think this is wonderful. We should have more of this.
These two are respectful, smart for sure, and blessed by God and love God!
It also shows that we have to be studied and well read and knowledgeable to have intelligent discussions!
Many of today’s young people, and even old people don’t have critical thinking and don’t know history or information and just have not learned well.
It goes to show how important a good education is.
I love it thank you so much Ben and Bishop Barron.
Wonderful teaching from two true men of God
I loved listening to two very well read people discuss the interrelation of Judaism and the Holy Eucharist.
Without Eucharist,I can’t live a single day
When I attended a synagogue service for a bar mitzvah, near the end it came to the point where the kid and other members of the community came forward to read from the Torah, which was kept in a tabernacle in the center of the worship space.
The parallel with communion, going forward to have God's Word put in your mouth, really struck me.
Bc judeaism is gods old covenant before christ and Catholicism is the new covenant fulfilled by Christ
@Gigi Ghiba I love parrots🦜. Thank you.
@@GigiGhiba-vh3zs Okay, I'll bite.
What is the truth which Catholicism deviates from or distorts?
@Gigi Ghiba protestants have deviated a lot from the truth bc you cherrypick which bible verses to follow based on what you like or don't like .
I think Ben is a fantastic interviewer. He’s so patient and respectful.
Understanding the Jewish roots of Christianity has brought me closer to Christ! Thank you for this conversation
Every sentence of this 12 minute conversation could be expanded into an entire semester course in a Theology or Philosophy program.
Its amazing how many insights, how much inspiration can flow from such a brief discussion between two people so devoted to discerning and sharing God's Truth.
Even Nietzsche warned about how morality would fall once its Judeo-Christian foundation completely crumbled. Rituals connect us to the past and allow us to maintain/build a community for our children's future. Excellent video.
Nietzsche wasn't as sorrowful as some think he was
Judeo-Christian isn't a thing. Ben just goes along with it to grift Christians.
@@wecx2375 It actually is a thing. Orthodox (small o) Christians realise the Jewish roots of their faith and celebrate and appreciate their Jewish forebearers. Having a Jewish father and a Catholic mum, I can say that there is much more mutual respect btw their faiths than most Evangelicals have towards Catholics.
@Charlotte Martel I'm an Orthodox Jew. You are wrong. We aren't even allowed to step foot In a catholic church by Jewish law because catholics are idolatrous pagans.
Passover is a wonderful moadim of God. I'm thankful Jesus invites us to participate in such a wonderful Feast of Unleavened Bread every year. Do Passover in remembrance of Yeshua.
Praying for Ben's conversion 🙏
Pray for BOTH of them to covert to Christianity 🙏🏻
@@lin_js957 Arrogant child to infer that a Catholic priest is not a Christian. this is why you have 30+ thousand denominations in Protestantism.
@@lin_js957 so Catholics are not Christians? Is that being a true christian to say that.
Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father accept through me.
So……yes. It is Christian to speak the truth of Jesus.
Two phenomenal men! A great chat!
This was a great conversation, I couldn't help but notice though when Bishop was asked by Ben what is the Eucharist, at no point did he mention it is the real body and blood of Jesus, as a Catholic I would've liked to hear that articulated since it is the source and summit of our faith.
Source and summit of false doctrine never intended to be that way ….
Do you also believe one needs to follow the 10 commandments to ATTAIN salvation?
@_ready_ Do you want to try rephrasing that with less typos and grammatical errors?
@@beaconoftruth1990 oops Ck the question again. Thanks
Beautiful. American Christians need to hear this.❤
Two legends of our time.
Thank you, Ben Shapiro, for allowing the bishop to talk about the Eucharist, a topic no one fully understands yet with all respect you heard the Bishop out.
Well done Barron and Shapiro. The Eucharist, what an excellent topic to share on.
As an Orthodox Christian brother from Russia, I salute this very WISE discussion and wise words.
If anyone hasn’t read “This is My Body” yet, please get a copy. It is the most phenomenal thing I’ve ever read and by page 3, I was floored at how well he explained everything.
I wonder how much a person who interviews Bishop Barron has to study before asking him any questions? I really truly appreciate this interview, because all the eschatology regarding the Eucharistic Revival is touched on. Grateful Believing Catholic here saying thank you to both of these two speakers. ❤
Ben Shapiro is highly educated, I wouldn't say he had to do much
@@jaqian True statement, there!
Outstanding conversation. I am currently exploring the Jewish roots of our Catholic faith. I love ritual.
Bishop Barron, you knocked it out of the park!
WOW !!!
--- Two of My Favorites ......
--- A Great Jew and A Great Catholic !!! My love for these two have grown even stronger now ...
--- Even though my intelligence level does not match, or even come close to these two men .... I understood completely what these two have said ... I usually drown in their talks in five minutes but this was interesting enough and enjoyable enough to keep up ... God Bless these two !!! ....
---- Thank You Bishop Barron and Ben Shapiro ...
Beautiful Discussion. Thank you gentlemen!
How delightful to find two of my favorite and great intellects, Bishop Barron and Ben Shapiro, together-united in their agreement of the importance of tradition and ritual, despite their disparate religious beliefs. Thank you for this discussion.
More please!!
The discussion ended too soon!❤
The Abolition of Man by CS Lewis. On point today more than ever
Great Bishop Barron!
The Eucharist is the greatest struggle of my faith, it never stops becoming strange and to submit to that is an act of profound humility and submission. Every time I’m “worthy” to receive it is a great experience
This is wonderful Ben! ❤ Great interview.
Thank God for those souls , God take there souls.I love you
"Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the celebration of fire." - Gustav Mahler
How rich to have two men discuss tradition and spiritual giants at work in our lives. Wonderful invterview
Lovely. I hope Ben brings Matt Fradd on for a longer interview soon.
There is also a great need to speak of and discuss Humility, and not only morals and ethics. How can one prove the Humility that Christ speaks of to us?
So much can be lost in just one generation. Each owes to the next generation the passing on of the wealth of spiritual traditions given to us.
The loss of spiritual tradition begna to deteriorate with the boomers. The hippie generation rejected religion and traditional morality and as they created the Gen X and Millennial generations, we had zero guidance into anything spiritual. Only my Jewish friends were given that teaching and leadership by example. And even with that, most Jewish people I know under 50 only go to temple for the high Holy days, if that.
It is vitally important for Jews and Catholics to engage in constructive dialogue. Both sides do not have to agree but continuous dialogue has the best possible chance to show that we have more in common than we think. Sure, there are some hard points of disagreement but that does not mean such disagreements should prevent us from dialogue. Ben Shapiro and Bishop Barron are setting a fine example for all of us!
Ben Shapiro is a class act. הוֹד֣וּ לַיהֹוָ֣ה כִּי־ט֑וֹב כִּ֖י לְעוֹלָ֣ם חַסְדּֽוֹ׃
Ben parasites in Catholic community for the interests of Israel and Isral lobby. Check what he said about Jesus on Joe Rogan and stop being “a goy” like Ben calls you.