What Makes Trolls & Gatekeepers Tick, And Why They Don't Matter

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  • Опубліковано 27 жов 2024

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  • @bretspencer
    @bretspencer 5 годин тому +4

    Your channel is encouraging, positive, and certainly informative. It's refreshing to see an astrophotography channel that is not about the latest gadget, filter, or Pixinsight script. When you do recommend a product, it's about a tool that you have found valuable. Not something that an astrophotography brand has sent you for a 'review'. You are teaching and sharing, rather than preaching and selling. Thank you!

  • @verschup
    @verschup Годину тому

    For what it’s worth, you’ve became my go-to channel on UA-cam, together with Nico, Luke and Dylan.

  • @john-rippington
    @john-rippington Годину тому

    I always watch your channel videos with great enjoyment. They’ve made me think about the way I do things, and pushed me to really think about what we’re actually trying to do with astro images. It’s so refreshing to hear you say these things that I’ve often thought. All the best, clear skies, and please keep the content coming!

  • @Mockingbird57
    @Mockingbird57 4 години тому +2

    my personal litmus test for if my image is good is if my mom likes it 🙂 I'm only 3 years into astrophotography and so I am still learning. I'm a member of the fb learning astrophotography group and see your posts there. For the most part everyone has been nice and helpful to me but I did notice that as I improved , I did draw a gatekeeper/troll a time or two. I've been a professional artist for over 25 years, so I am used to the gatekeepers and trolls. The pattern I've noticed over the years is that the better your work, the more the gatekeepers and trolls show up. I use it as a measuring stick for my progress lol.
    I've been enjoying your channel and as soon as we have some clouds, I plan to catch up on watching your videos. Until then, I'll be outside in the backyard gathering photons every clear night I can!

  • @tracerocks
    @tracerocks 2 хвилини тому

    Trolls and gatekeepers are everywhere. I’ve had more than my share since I go against the norms in the music world. I’ve found the absolute best response is to ignore their insignificance and keep displaying my art for the enjoyment of those who choose to enjoy it.

  • @ionfreefly
    @ionfreefly 4 години тому +1

    One of your best videos yet! So encouraging!

  • @robvandenwijngaart988
    @robvandenwijngaart988 40 хвилин тому

    Why does youtube only let me click once on the thumbs up button? I put it on 128 but like to hit it some more times! This video is great. I'm not on Facebook anymore, it just gave me stress. The trols and gate keepers, as you call them made me sick. If you don't youse Photo Shop your photo sucks, acourding to some. If you'r photo is'nt taken in a sertaind way, it sucks acourding to them. This doesn't just count for astrophotography, I do also URBEX photography, macro and just photograpy in darknes. Some always have to say something. What 'the' some also sould keep in mind is that everybody hase a differend butget to spend, I for example don't have the money for expensive filters, but I do my best to get the best out of the things I have. And for me, last but not seast, I photograph for myself, and if I like and want to make a photo of a green moon I do so. Thanks for this great video, I hope a lot of people watch it and think twice befor they scream.

  • @gregerianne3880
    @gregerianne3880 4 години тому

    This is great. Thanks for sharing your experiences, as painful as some of them must have been initially. Great advice, too, about ignoring them and focusing instead on what we learn and get out of our hobby. Words of wisdom...words to live by. Thank you!

  • @shanesweeney3583
    @shanesweeney3583 4 години тому

    Dunning Kruger seems to explain this very well. Love your videos and your layer editor tuts.

  • @jdmatthew
    @jdmatthew 5 годин тому

    Great pic. Don’t let the haters get you down and don’t let them drain your joy in the hobby.

  • @menkalinanminecraft5769
    @menkalinanminecraft5769 5 годин тому

    Very true and I like how it's not about just astrophotography but about everyone's lives too. And of course people shouldn't be this annoyed over a photo of space, it's just an image, not a life or death thing.

  • @rtpman1953
    @rtpman1953 5 годин тому

    Well said. I used to process images in a manner that would please other astro imagers. Not anymore. I process them to highlight the targets' details or areas I enjoy and in the pallet that I like. I'm never disappointed that way :-)

  • @OldGirlPhotography
    @OldGirlPhotography 2 години тому

    Although as a terrestrial photographer I'm well aware that artistic vision comes into play in every image, I didn't appreciate the extent to which artistic vision applies to astrophotography. I initially assumed that deep sky objects had a pretty limited set of display options. Not so. But that means that I will like some presentations and not like others. It's that simple. And I have adopted some processing techniques I like and have ignored others. It's that simple too. I have to be honest and say that I don't always find your techniques and results appealing, but I do learn from each of them. It is awesome to have alternative viewpoints.

  • @Robservatory
    @Robservatory 2 години тому

    Great message here. Diversity and uniqueness should be celebrated, especially in the arts. Imagine if everyone followed the same processing workflow. I've encountered a lot of gatekeeping in astrophotography and astronomy, and I call it out every time it rears its ugly head. Keep up the great work!

  • @Thommy78
    @Thommy78 4 години тому

    Well said, absolutely on point, heartwarimg AND don't feed the trolls, they are not worth!!!

  • @MrYvano
    @MrYvano 6 годин тому

    You are 100% right, be yourself, keep on going forward. You´re doing great !

  • @gianlucavalentini2259
    @gianlucavalentini2259 36 хвилин тому

    Relaxing voice, great content and lots of interesting suggestions. Some people have a very high opinion of themselves...dunning-kruger is an incredibly useful lens to watch the world. However, let's not be too sad about what you are saying in your video: alas, it's in Italian (I'm Italian) and I can't quote it here (useless), but Galileo mentions the same thing in his book Il Saggiatore: there he writes that, in his experience, the less someone knows about a subject, the more he wants to talk about it. It was published in 1624, so it is an old habit of mankind.....

  • @jasondain8713
    @jasondain8713 5 годин тому

    Interesting video. Just a note that compositing different exposures is quite easy in Pixinsight using the HDR composition process. You don't need a layer based tool to accomplish that. I used that process on my M42 shot recently and it works quite well. Its your data and your images so keep doing what you are doing as long as it makes you happy. Keep experimenting and producing the work that keeps you interested and don't let others judge you based on some established set of rules. I always do things the way I want and don't listen to those who claim to be experts and preach the only way. I experiment and find out for myself how I want to work. Thanks for sharing.

  • @freeflysi1707
    @freeflysi1707 4 години тому

    Awesome video. Haters are always going to hate. Gotta feel sad for them.
    Your channel has quickly become my primary resource fire improving my basic understanding and skills. Great content from a talented astrophotographer.

  • @robertmcgrory3464
    @robertmcgrory3464 5 годин тому

    Great contribution! Thanks for this.

  • @aguitargirl
    @aguitargirl 31 хвилина тому

    Remember "expert" -"Ex" meaning former + "Spirt" which is a sudden burst of energy that has no staying power.

  • @Dana_Watson
    @Dana_Watson 6 годин тому +1

    Very first Milky Way photo I posted from my cellphone, almost four years ago. One person made it a point to tell me how awful it was. Granted, he was right, it was horrible, but the situation could've been approached differently. I have held onto the first awful photo to remind myself of my own progress, as well as the fact that everyone is a beginner at one point, and I'll often share it with beginners who get "shamed" for their lack of skill.

  • @SimonT65
    @SimonT65 6 годин тому +5

    I'm going to take a guess, you're referring to Sasha from View into Space who was trolling you?

    • @SimonT65
      @SimonT65 6 годин тому

      If so, he's tried trolling and sending harrassing messages to other UA-camrs. His UA-cam channel is full of false claims

    • @donovand.6704
      @donovand.6704 6 годин тому

      I checked out his astrobin from his channel... interesting techniques 😅

    • @kerrygreen9064
      @kerrygreen9064 4 години тому

      I've watched a few of his videos. He strikes me as a bit of an opportunist that came onto the scene late. I remember one of his first videos showed data that had back spacing issues which he commented on and didn't seem to understand how to correct it. Nothing he has posted has shown me any new techniques or new way of doing things. I have never learned from his channel. I had to give his astrobin a view. Some of his images are just hard to look at, though he has made progress. My biggest issue is how he passes himself off as an expert, but seems to be learning some fundamentals. We are all learning and trying to better ourselves and images, but I would never tell someone the way I do things is the right way.

    • @drahomirmichalko
      @drahomirmichalko 3 години тому

      Damn, the astrobin page looks like a nightmare tbh.

    • @deepskysanctuary
      @deepskysanctuary Годину тому

      I was looking for this comment. I knew right away who he was talking about.

  • @bazpearce9993
    @bazpearce9993 6 годин тому +1

    I've had someone publicly on a live astronomy broadcast, criticise the entire first half of my journey since 2010. While i was using extremely limited equipment. He promptly got told to get off his high horse, and what he could do with said horse.
    These people usually have their head so far up their own backside, it's popped back out the top of their neck.

  • @JonnyBravo0311
    @JonnyBravo0311 4 години тому

    I decided to try an LRGB image of an emission nebula (SH2-86). I image under at-best Bortle 7 skies. After gathering over 40 hours of data, I realized that it was a fun experiment to prove I should have spent the time using my narrowband filters :).
    As for image processing software - use whatever works for you. Who cares if it's PixInsight or Affinity or GIMP or Siril or Photoshop or some combination of all of them.

  • @hybridwebtech
    @hybridwebtech 7 годин тому

    This is a beautiful image, both aesthetically, as well as from a 'scientific' perspective. There is enough detail here that a suitably motivated amateur could study and try to understand, at some level, the astronomy behind the image. At least that is what I try to do with my images, as well as others. Ignore the detractors and keep producing these things.

  • @GusRobinson-MiserableOldGit
    @GusRobinson-MiserableOldGit 7 годин тому +2

    I have yet to see you post a bad photo. Looking forward to the trolls commenting !

    • @deonster1
      @deonster1 Годину тому

      I've yet to hear Carl make an umm or ah in his videos. His speech is flawless.

  • @Whiskah
    @Whiskah 5 годин тому

    Great video, people are just scum these days, the world is a horrible place. Edit: Your "bad" images are absolutely fantastic btw!

  • @GusRobinson-MiserableOldGit
    @GusRobinson-MiserableOldGit 7 годин тому +1

    Living in the southern half of the uk we dont get much snow. It would be interesting to know how your observatory copes with snow and cold etc.

    • @SKYST0RY
      @SKYST0RY  3 години тому

      It's held up well. Last year we had "snowpocalypse", some 3 meters of snow in two days. (Basically, the whole winter worth of snow in two days). The observatory has also withstood a hurricane and two near-hurricane force tropical storms. We live near the top of this mountain, so I built it solid.

  • @Hioctane321
    @Hioctane321 6 годин тому

    I love it, so crisp and clear! Living just outside Saint John I am limited to bortle 3 at best, so I fight with a bad gradient. I had the oportunity to shot in a bortle 2 during the summer and the difference was dramatic. I wish I could utilize or capture flux properly. How did you bring forward the background flux in the witchhead?

    • @drahomirmichalko
      @drahomirmichalko 3 години тому

      Bortle 3 is a pleasure; I used to be in one. The local municipality has now decided, since people wanted it, to install LEDs for "all-night sun". That's how you ruin Bortle 3-4 to 6-7.

  • @paulmurphy9358
    @paulmurphy9358 6 годин тому

    If you're interested in a further explanation of what you are dealing with, Martha Stout's 2006 book, The Sociopath Next Door, does a good job of explaining their psychology and how to effectively deal with them. On the Internet, a simple ignore will do, but if you're experiencing dealing with one in real life, the book might help.

  • @Mike321795
    @Mike321795 55 хвилин тому

    I think they are jealous of the attention you got because they think their pictures are better than yours but don't get same attention

  • @MazzifLOL
    @MazzifLOL 3 години тому

    Often In astro.. Those who can, do. Those who can't, talk 💩

  • @jesuschrist2284
    @jesuschrist2284 4 години тому

    As a beginner, how would i know its a troll rather than good advice?

    • @Mockingbird57
      @Mockingbird57 4 години тому +1

      typically, someone giving good advice will complement your work in some way...such as saying...good effort...its a good start...and then say something along the lines of "this is how you can improve" and then typically say "good job...keep at it!"
      trolls don't lift you up, only tear you down.

    • @jesuschrist2284
      @jesuschrist2284 2 години тому

      @@Mockingbird57 fine line between constructive criticism and trolling then i guess. As a beginner the difference is not always obvious

  • @AndreiAndrei-pg8eg
    @AndreiAndrei-pg8eg 6 годин тому +1

    Does anyone in the comments know who the stalker was? The UA-cam chanell name i mean, not his real name.

    • @purvr4626
      @purvr4626 4 години тому

      I would like to know too so I can stay away from his videos