It was a question my buddy asked. He wanted me to shoot his rifle to see if it was him or something else. Honestly, I am no expert when it comes to 22 rimfires. My forte is centerfire shooting. However, I told him that he should start with an aftermarket trigger, as his stock trigger could use some improvement. Yes, to the "seasoned" rimfire "experts", this may sound like a ridiculous question. To casual shooters wanting to get a little more accuracy, not so much. The comments on my video have been very good. I had heard about the different lubricants various rimfire ammunition utilize, but I never paid attention to the concept. You learn something new every day, right? Right! So, with that now known, time for me to go down this rimfire rabbit hole??? Lol.
Lapua, Sk and Wolf use the same lubricant. Eley And CCI use paraffin wax. Years ago a small bore competitor taught me to season the bore with 25 rounds before going for groups when switching between ammunition types or at least their lubrication in order to truly see you, which ammunition is best. Love, CZ’s but gotta say that one’s not shooting all that great. I have a 452 Ultra Lux that would be easily shoot in the point twos and threes at 50 and well under an inch at 100 as long as you season the board with the lubricants. Good luck and great review.
@ajheath5123 great information to know. Honestly, my forte is centerfire rifle shooting and NOT rimfire, however, I am intrigued as an engineer on the concept of the various 22LR lubes used and their affect on accuracy or lack thereof! Thank you Sir.
Great video. You really did a fine job showing us how it's done. I have a CZ 455 in WMR. Interested to see if he does a barrel upgrade and the results compared.
I appreciate the video, thank you. Which 457 was that? Looked like a longer barrel, was it the American? Anyways…CZ puts out some very accurate rim fires, I own two. I can not attest to any of their center fire rifles as I have not handled one. I’ve recently gotten into rim fire, more specifically 22LR including shooting ARA matches. Here are a few things I’ve learned along the way. Ammunition will vary from barrel to barrel, not rifle brands. Consistently will also vary between lot numbers of the ammunition. This would apply mostly to your match grade ammunition, Eley, Lapua, SK etc., so test and find what your rifle really likes. After market trigger will make a difference, you’re a good friend for switching it out. For the budget minded person, Yodave offers a spring kit for the CZ that is very popular. When ammo testing, a minimum of 10 fouling shots before shooting groups will yield better results. Different ammo manufacturers use different waxes/lubricants and getting the barrel seasoned will give you a better idea how it’s going to perform for you. There is some science to barrel length and accuracy with 22LR. Same can be said for ammunition velocity. Feel free to go down those rabbit holes. In a nutshell, 16”-20” barrel lengths yield the best results and staying subsonic out of the barrel will produce better accuracy results.
@richardmcmaster4008 Yes I think it is the American. I will definitely take your advise regarding the different lubes that 22LR ammo makers use. I am a centerfire shooter and reloader by trade! Not that I have not shot 22 rimfires my whole life, I just never went down that rabbit hole regarding precision 22 rimfire shooting! Thank you Sir!
That's downright mean shooting ammo that's no longer available! I've always heard good things about CZ although I've never owned one. My accurate .22lr is an AMT copy of the 10-22 (all stainless). I've got a few Volquartsen trigger parts, an Adams & Bennet .920 barrel and a Revolution Tundra thumbhole stock. It's topped off with a Leupold 6.5 x 18 scope. It really likes the Wolf ammo, either the Match Extra or the Match Target (I don't remember for certain) and shoots a consistent .37" for 10 shots at 25 yards. I also find that not cleaning out the barrel between brands can affect accuracy of a not-so-great ammo. For instance, I can shoot several rounds of the Wolf ammo then switch to something like Remington Thunderbolts and the first 4 or 5 shots will group much better than normal. I'm sure it has something to do with the different lube quality. So my routine when testing ammo is to give the barrel a quick clean (I use fishing line, never a rod in my target rifle) and then fire 10 shots of the ammo to be tested into the berm. Then 10 shots on target. No misleading results that way! I've tried a few other tricks, such as weighing and sorting cartridges but it seems to make very little difference in the long run. Of course, that's getting way more anal about accuracy than I usually get! But it does shoot! Cheers, jc
i had that rifle in a synthetic stock. maybe grouped a "bit" better than yours... put a MTR barrel on it and it shoots almost as good as my chassis comp 457. sub moa all day long with the ammo it likes. best thing i could have done was put a match chamber heavy barrel on it. Cheers. edit: forgot to mention a also put a yodave spring on it and got it down to around 8 ounces...
Interesting but far from definitive. There is too much difference between POA & POI. Firing different cartridges one after the other without seasoning the bore for each lube gives incorrect results. You clearly shot better groups than your friend but the results are not conclusive.
A very attractive rifle but the groups are pathetic. You should have lowered the point of impact to just above point of aim... an inch or less. The higher the POI vs POA, the greater the error caused by sighting variations. I've owned over a dozen CZ .22 rimfire rifles including models 452, 455 & 457 and they all shot MUCH smaller groups at 50 yards using the same or similar ammo.
It was a question my buddy asked. He wanted me to shoot his rifle to see if it was him or something else. Honestly, I am no expert when it comes to 22 rimfires. My forte is centerfire shooting. However, I told him that he should start with an aftermarket trigger, as his stock trigger could use some improvement. Yes, to the "seasoned" rimfire "experts", this may sound like a ridiculous question. To casual shooters wanting to get a little more accuracy, not so much. The comments on my video have been very good. I had heard about the different lubricants various rimfire ammunition utilize, but I never paid attention to the concept. You learn something new every day, right? Right! So, with that now known, time for me to go down this rimfire rabbit hole??? Lol.
Lapua, Sk and Wolf use the same lubricant. Eley And CCI use paraffin wax. Years ago a small bore competitor taught me to season the bore with 25 rounds before going for groups when switching between ammunition types or at least their lubrication in order to truly see you, which ammunition is best. Love, CZ’s but gotta say that one’s not shooting all that great. I have a 452 Ultra Lux that would be easily shoot in the point twos and threes at 50 and well under an inch at 100 as long as you season the board with the lubricants. Good luck and great review.
@ajheath5123 great information to know. Honestly, my forte is centerfire rifle shooting and NOT rimfire, however, I am intrigued as an engineer on the concept of the various 22LR lubes used and their affect on accuracy or lack thereof! Thank you Sir.
Great video. You really did a fine job showing us how it's done. I have a CZ 455 in WMR. Interested to see if he does a barrel upgrade and the results compared.
@Allenmar73 thank you Allen!
That was really kind of you to upgrade Mike's trigger for him for his birthday.
@Eric_in_VA HAHA I know! LOL. He has never tried shooting precision rifles. I told him that upgrading the trigger is the 1st step!
Nice shooting, I learn something every time.
@patricklondon6006 that makes 2 of us! Thanks!
I appreciate the video, thank you. Which 457 was that? Looked like a longer barrel, was it the American? Anyways…CZ puts out some very accurate rim fires, I own two. I can not attest to any of their center fire rifles as I have not handled one.
I’ve recently gotten into rim fire, more specifically 22LR including shooting ARA matches. Here are a few things I’ve learned along the way.
Ammunition will vary from barrel to barrel, not rifle brands. Consistently will also vary between lot numbers of the ammunition. This would apply mostly to your match grade ammunition, Eley, Lapua, SK etc., so test and find what your rifle really likes.
After market trigger will make a difference, you’re a good friend for switching it out. For the budget minded person, Yodave offers a spring kit for the CZ that is very popular.
When ammo testing, a minimum of 10 fouling shots before shooting groups will yield better results. Different ammo manufacturers use different waxes/lubricants and getting the barrel seasoned will give you a better idea how it’s going to perform for you.
There is some science to barrel length and accuracy with 22LR. Same can be said for ammunition velocity. Feel free to go down those rabbit holes. In a nutshell, 16”-20” barrel lengths yield the best results and staying subsonic out of the barrel will produce better accuracy results.
@richardmcmaster4008 Yes I think it is the American. I will definitely take your advise regarding the different lubes that 22LR ammo makers use. I am a centerfire shooter and reloader by trade! Not that I have not shot 22 rimfires my whole life, I just never went down that rabbit hole regarding precision 22 rimfire shooting! Thank you Sir!
That's downright mean shooting ammo that's no longer available! I've always heard good things about CZ although I've never owned one. My accurate .22lr is an AMT copy of the 10-22 (all stainless). I've got a few Volquartsen trigger parts, an Adams & Bennet .920 barrel and a Revolution Tundra thumbhole stock. It's topped off with a Leupold 6.5 x 18 scope. It really likes the Wolf ammo, either the Match Extra or the Match Target (I don't remember for certain) and shoots a consistent .37" for 10 shots at 25 yards. I also find that not cleaning out the barrel between brands can affect accuracy of a not-so-great ammo. For instance, I can shoot several rounds of the Wolf ammo then switch to something like Remington Thunderbolts and the first 4 or 5 shots will group much better than normal. I'm sure it has something to do with the different lube quality. So my routine when testing ammo is to give the barrel a quick clean (I use fishing line, never a rod in my target rifle) and then fire 10 shots of the ammo to be tested into the berm. Then 10 shots on target. No misleading results that way! I've tried a few other tricks, such as weighing and sorting cartridges but it seems to make very little difference in the long run. Of course, that's getting way more anal about accuracy than I usually get! But it does shoot!
Cheers,
jc
@jmichaelcarbonniere9549 thank you Michael! By my own admission I am NOT a rimfire expert, however, I am always willing to learn something new!
i had that rifle in a synthetic stock. maybe grouped a "bit" better than yours... put a MTR barrel on it and it shoots almost as good as my chassis comp 457. sub moa all day long with the ammo it likes. best thing i could have done was put a match chamber heavy barrel on it. Cheers. edit: forgot to mention a also put a yodave spring on it and got it down to around 8 ounces...
@nelsonm5032 very nice!
My lux 457 will shoot same hole groop out to 80 yards with cci standard velocity but falls apart arter that
@robertjones5477 I have read where other folks have the same issues.
Get some Lapua CenterX. Then you and your buddy join the 2024 Dayattherange Captain America Summer Challenge.
@Dayattherange haha sound like fun! Where is that at?
Interesting but far from definitive. There is too much difference between POA & POI. Firing different cartridges one after the other without seasoning the bore for each lube gives incorrect results. You clearly shot better groups than your friend but the results are not conclusive.
@HSmith-uk9hl yeah, my buddy's rifle not mine.
A very attractive rifle but the groups are pathetic. You should have lowered the point of impact to just above point of aim... an inch or less. The higher the POI vs POA, the greater the error caused by sighting variations. I've owned over a dozen CZ .22 rimfire rifles including models 452, 455 & 457 and they all shot MUCH smaller groups at 50 yards using the same or similar ammo.
@HSmith-uk9hl copy that. It's my buddy's rifle..so.....LOL
That is disappointing
@michaeljeter1651 welcome to the world of the 22 rimfire!