We can say we can use force dolby vison on apple tv and have more highlights that on hdr native like on amazon prime video force it or you recommend to use the native signal
@ 6:08 i see freesync is showing the proper Hz instead of 5:5. Is this something an LG GX/CX owner can look forward to with the 120fps Dolby Vision 4k software update coming to us soon? Honestly I love my GX so much but there has only ever been one thing I don’t like about it and it is that problem right there. I want to know the true value instead of trying to do maths with ratios on a number that is jumping around like a gymnast who has a case of the twisties. Edit: Spelling like a librarian with a case of the squinties
Great comparison video! To all Xbox gamers who play on the One X, I realised yesterday that in 4K mode the One X has awful animation lag, this means every movement such as jumping and melee has input lag despite my equipment has no lag problem. Playing on 1080p one the One X is more ideal for multiplayer!
I have noticed even in movies that Dolby Vision has a slightly lower APL than HDR10. I think that's just the way it is. Sacrifice some total brightness to get a hair of highlight detail back.
so cant you just decrease some brightness on HDR10 for the same thing? would like to see someone eyeball it to similar brightness, and see differences in overall color gamut then
For me with the Hisense dual cell its the complete opposite. DV has a significant improvement in APL and has better tone mapping. HDR10 does have more clipping for highlights. Colors are superior also on DV. With my OLED and Sony LCD I rarely saw a noticeable difference in most TV or movies between the two. Mainly just a little more saturation and occasionally a little step up in clarity
HDR is great but the fact that you need to adjust it in order for it to display properly makes it a loss for most people, then each game has its own setup and they are generally horrible
That's why they are releasing hdmi 2.1a this year, comes with a new feature called Source-Based Tone Mapping (SBTM). "SBTM is an improvement on HDR technology that lets your video source (PC, game console, etc) handle HDR tone-mapping for your TV or monitor. SBTM ends the need for manual HDR calibration. It should also improve video quality and reduce glitches on screens showing both HDR and SDR content simultaneously-something that’s fairly common in video editing and livestreaming."
@CoolhandLukeSkywalkr wow... this sounds incredible. So how does this work for older tvs that don't have hdmi 2.1a? My gpu, TV, cables are all just 2.1 so does that mean I need all new tv,gpu,TV, to take advantage of this? It seems like something that shouldn't need a bandwidth increase. Will a firmware achieve this?
@@randybobandy9828 Yeah, for hdmi 2.1a to work, everything in your chain of devices must have hdmi 2.1a also: "It’s expected that most source devices and displays sold in the last few years will be firmware updatable to support HDMI 2.1a, but we have no way of knowing exactly which companies and which products will do so. There’s no guarantee that just because your TV is physically capable of working with HDMI 2.1a, your manufacturer will choose to issue an update." - Digital Trends
Ikr. Ive tried hdr abd dolby both but they both make my picture look washed out and the colour faded. Even after changing the specific game hdr settings. I just default to my settings for the tv.
Despite the fact that dolby vision is nice. Did you all knew that Halo 3 had real HDR lighting? That's why the effects looked darn good that time. Sad that there was no Oled and 4K at the time.
Vincent, apparently Battlefield 1 supports Dolby Vision natively, same as the PC version of Mass Effect Andromeda. Would be nice if you could test and compare those at some point.
@@Lead_Foot What are you talking about? It's only the TV/Monitor that has to supoort it not the PC/Graphics card. If you have a TV with Dolby Vision all you need are games that support it such as Battlefield V to work on PC.
Thanks very much for taking the time to do this analysis that no one else can to your level. Please do revisit it when native DV games are released. Hopefully the picture output is triggered per title instead of an always on option - something like the Apple TV match content option.
You’re right. I totally agree with you. Once I bought my LG OLED CX 55 that I always use an HDR10 for gaming, and I recently decided to try a Dolby vision for gaming, and I felt there is something wrong. Yes I can see some slight details to Dolby vision, but the picture it’s darker in a strange way since most games out there they don’t have a native Dolby vision, and when you use a Dolby vision to Xbox series X games that which means the signal has been converted from HDR10 to Dolby vision. The matter of fact I was much enjoying to play games on HDR10 since it’s more colorful, and more brighter, that even if you miss some slight details of the picture for HDR10 due to the brightness that it doesn’t matter since you’re playing a native HDR10 video games, and that’s also applying for watching a movies in HDR format. So I suggest you guys stick to HDR format until the new video games launch a native Dolby vision to see the different in between.
Thanks for the comparison. Oh my C7, Dolby Vision was a huge upgrade for me because of how dim the regular HDR game mode is on the tv. It's enough to hold off on upgrading for another year or two
The reason people say the Dolby Vision looks much better is probably the placebo effect, the same reason people will claim expensive wines or high resolution audio is much better, but they won't be able to tell the difference in double blind tests. Most enthusiasts will know not to leave the game mode with color temperature at 0
Very true I have a old 2011 plasma and I can't tell the difference to my lg c1 It is all just marketing and we are the lemmings that lap it all up and spend spend spend . In the 90s no one bought a new TV or VCR you just kept the one you had untill it broke. I still think my 1997 Sony Trinitron looks great. 4k Dolby vision hdr10 are all just minor improvements. We have seen nothing like black and white to colour
@@johnphillips7562 depends... to gaming, the input lag is much better than any old TV. Picture quality really depends on you exigency. I have a Plasma and a NanoCell. Plasma picture quality is way ahead, but for gaming, the low input lag from the 2020 TV is just great. Thinking that way, oled is the combination of 2 great things. Good for movies and games. But nothing is like black and white to rgb anymore.
@@MisterRhul Yea I do enjoy the low latency and 120hz gaming. But to be honest for movies I never watch the plasma and think oh I wish I was watching the oled. I didn have a Q90a but returned it for the c1 Led has no contrast or depth.
Dolby vision can be a game changer! The real difference is in "dynamic" HDR. In theory, every scene can have different settings. I'm not sure if games can make use of that? But imagine Dolby Vision build directly into the engine with different settings for each environment, dynamically calculated, in a cave HDR is different then in the field with grass and different again in a building with windows, i think, this could be amazing and truly "next gen" Could someone find out if epic for example is working on that already? If not, Im the first one thinking about it and want royalty for it :D
Hey Vincent, I’ve always been a huge fan of your content and please keep the LG / Xbox Series X clips coming!! Just as a quick note here- I’m not sure if you know this, but there are actually a few titles on the Xbox Series X that actually do support Dolby Vision HDR, such as: Gears 5, Halo: The Master Chief Collection and Borderlands 3. Perhaps you can use one of these games in your next Dolby Vision vs HDR10 comparison. I mostly play The Master Chief Collection anyway, so I’ve lucked out big time in this category. The game plays amazing on my LG ZX in Dolby Vision, 120hz, 8K upscaling, with Freesync enabled… Only thing that I was crushed to admit, is that RGB (4:4:4 chroma sampling) does not function with these settings because the Xbox Series X isn’t capable of sending out more than 40 gbps… This was a crushing blow for me, because I’ve only recently even figured out how to get 4:4:4 chroma sampling to even work in my set up through the tutorials in your videos, and it was awesome. I miss the greater specular highlights from 4:4:4, but I’d have to say that Dolby Vision at 120hz with Freesync is worth the trade off, at least on the Master Chief Collection where the game actually supports Dolby Vision.
Dan - recently got a Series X and I'm an LGCX owner. I know that 4:4:4 chroma is enabled by changing the input tag to PC mode, are you saying it doesn't work at all because of the 40gbps limit on Xbox? Or is it because you have AMD freesync enabled? I'm wondering what the best way to play the Master Chief Collection would be, any insight would be greatly appreciated.
@@anomalyLG Maybe I haven’t messed around with it enough- I just left it on 8-bit 4:2:2 chroma after the 120hz Dolby Vision update throttled me back from 10-bit 4:4:4 chroma. It kinda sucks a little bit going backwards like that after having gotten used to 4:4:4, but I guess I assumed I had no other option and thus I really haven’t tried much to fix it. I also turned back on BT.2020 and then turned my reds down a little bit to try and help… It looks better in the MCC to me- but the reds are still kinda washed out in Madden 22. UPDATE: So it appears to be either Dolby Vision 120hz at 4:2:2 or nothing… Freesync doesn’t make an impact- the only way to get 4:4:4 chroma back is to disable Dolby Vision. I can’t even get the tv to work on 4:4:4 with Dolby Vision at 60hz anymore… Even when I put the tv back over into V1 of Dolby Vision and launched it at 60hz it is still 8-Bit at 4:2:2 chroma now… Kinda sucks I can’t seem to go back to 4:4:4 unless I completely disable Dolby Vision. So for my money, you have to play games in Dolby Vision at 120hz instead of regular HDR at 10-but 4:4:4 chroma… Let me know if you can figure it out, but for me this is the best I’ve got. It’s Dolby or nothing - and I’m going with Dolby Vision.
Thanks for the great video. I was trying to figure which was the best. Sounds like dolby vision has a slight advantage especially for those of us who aren't professional calibrator.
I've noticed Dolby vision gaming makes the screen and picture much darker. It wasn't doing that yesterday so maybe the app is having trouble but when Dolby vision kicks on the screen and picture darken significantly
I notice it too. In terms of graphics, it’s really not much of a difference even though many say DV is better graphically. I’d rather have a brighter screen lol.
The dolby vision looks more saturated. But to be fair, when i’m blasting through forza at 300km/h i’m not gonna go “oooooh that specular highlight detail is a tad better”. As long as it looks good, has good shadow detail specifically, and feels smooth i’m good. For movies it’s a different story though
Well i'd rather it keep as much detail as possible. Tbh it is a tad noticable, especially the example of the plane's details at the side being completely blown out. Probably more so in person too than through a compressed YT vid. And if you can keep the detail without losing significant APL then why not.
Just wanted to say thank you for so many videos I've watched and because of your input and opinions reviews and the like, I decided the 55" LG C1 OLED tv was a perfect fit for my needs with gaming. And it's... Beautiful. This was such a hard decision to make. But I'm satisfied with this purchase. Thanks you!
After trying HDR HGIG alternating back and forth with DV , I find HGIG slightly brighter however there is something about DV that really cooks and has made my decision final to opt for DV , some games tested FH4/5 , Trails fusion , Wreckfest , is it that the peak brightness highlights are popping more maybe , tested on LG C1
I don't understand how games can have Dolby Vision? I thought the idea was that in movies / TV series, you can control the image scene by scene to produce an image as intended by the director. But in games, every scene depends on user input and is gonna be different for each person and played differently. I don't get it, can someone please explain?
Honestly Dolby vision seemed to drop brightness everywhere but not in a bad way. It seemed to tone down brightness that wasn't needed or too much and Dolby vision because of this had amazing highlights. I definitely preferred Dolby vision when i had it. Hoping to see it return soon in a finished way and not just testing
Fantastic video, Vincent. This content is much appreciated from the OLED/Xbox community. It seems like Dolby Vision games (and indeed the official DV game HDR support) will at least come out this year with Halo Infinite being natively built for it. It will be great to see the difference here.
@@xxxshinomorixxx You don't need it? Bro, I got myself a CX with the Series X launch and the display is actually perfect. You can fire up whatever crappy stuff you have and it will still look amazing.
On my B9 there is a definite difference between HDR10 (game user preset with HGIG) and Dolby Vision (cinema user preset) when using the same baseline settings for both (50 brightness, OLED light 100, contrast 100, colour 50, warm 2 and all extra processing off) which favours Dolby Vision by having slightly punchier and more pleasing image. Overall it just seems to make the lighting in-game a little more cohesive and natural. Maybe with professional calibration the difference might not be so apparent but using the same settings for both modes does yield a slightly different image. Are the gamma values slightly different between the two modes? One thing I did notice is that even judging by eye I needed to adjust the red tint in CMS to +10 because the reds appeared quite pink/magenta compared to HDR10. Once I'd done that I really do prefer Dolby Vision to HDR10 personally. It also seems to look better with games that utilise Auto HDR. Just a shame I can't have 120hz at the same time but as the majority of games run at 60hz then I tend to leave the console set to 60hz with DV most of the time and only switch to 120hz HDR if I play a game that I use it on (Rocket League for example). The only thing I don't like about Dolby Vision is how bright the Xbox guide is compared to HDR10.
When DV gaming is officially released to public will you do another recommended settings video for series x and LG CX/C1 oleds, I think there will be a lot of discussion about chroma with DV, 40gbps limitation and PC mode and so on, and how it works, as PC mode we select for 444 full chroma, yet with DV gaming coming and 40gbps hardware limitation on series x and LG oleds, will not reach this??
Really dont understand why guides always like these warm temperature colors with everything having an yellow tone, to me it seems like it washes all the other colors. I guess it is to simulate an movie that plays on the theaters but i always liked the more clean image from my home TVs, and games dont have anything to do with theaters so why recommend this to games as well?
I really don’t like the yellow looking filter either. It’s like I’ve got night mode engaged when playing a game. White doesn’t look white and has a sepia color to it. Playing a racing game makes it very obvious just looking at the speedometer.
It's something you get used to after a few days/weeks. When you get used to it, and then change back to "normal" or "cool" (or however your TV terms it) it looks off. Warm is used because it matches natural daylight most accurately. The reason behind the yellowish-white is due to the RGB pixels on most TVs, but modern TVs have introduced different ways to go about it so the whites appear white. That said, it's not perceptibly always like that, especially in HDR. The thing that needs to be done is, if you want the most accurate image, change it to that, and live with it for a few weeks. The most recent thing I had to get used to was turning the backlight on my LCD down for SDR titles as I always wanted parity between SDR and HDR for TV settings, and having backlight low seemed too dim even in my near-pitch-black room environment, but now I'm so used to it that trying high backlight settings hurts my eyes. Calibrated settings for TVs are the same for games and films/shows. It should be noted though, you use what looks best to you, that's what's most important, although, at that point, videos like this are useless.
When you calibrate the tv DV & look about the same. I find warm 2 hard on my eyes so I use warm 1. I noticed that DV puts the sharpness up to 10 which you always suggested not to do
Do you really advice to game on new OLED TV's? I saw an RTINGS burn in test, and the results are really "burnt". My 55 C1 is delivering and I'm really confused about what to do with it..
Just avoid prolonged static elements on the screen as much as you can & it should be okay. That however never guarantees something won't burn in. That's just how it's going to be with OLED.
Microsoft should get rid of the global HDR toggle on Xbox and give us a per game setting. Games with poor HDR are better in SDR. Then of the good ones, some are better in HDR10 and others in DV, yet we have to constantly swap these setting around and it's hard to remember what you use for which game.
I believe another benefit of using Dolby Vision for gaming is how it works on the older LG OLED models. I have both a C7 and a CX. To my knowledge the C7 did not handle HDR signals correctly and it’s version of dynamic tone mapping was a must to use. However in game modes that dynamic tone mapping could not be enabled. This led to HDR games looking less than desired. Using DV on the Xbox seems to fix all of that for gaming on the C7. I think LG fixed the way their TVs handled HDR starting with the C8 but for anyone with a C7 try using DV on the Xbox.
OMFG THIS IS THE COMMENT I WAS LOOKING FOR !! I have the OLED C7 ! And XSX I thought Dolby Vision made it look way better then HDR, made it brighter and darker at the same time! But I wasn’t sure! I totally thought that it would make the older models better! I thought HDR gaming was Dark but Dolby Vision is so bright and Dark too !!
I came here because I'm playing Resident Evil 4 Remake on an Xbox Series X and a 55" LG OLED C2. Playing with Dolby Vision gaming, I noticed that there is no dynamic tone mapping control on the TV's options screen, that is, it is automatic. Therefore, I realized that many test the DV vs HDR features but never in games with dark scenes. Then I realized playing RE4 that in DV Gaming in Resident Evil 4 in dark scenes (other games also in dark scenes), the mapping DV's automatic dynamic tone boosts brightness to a disastrous extent where it appears as if there is a bluish haze on the screen. Switching to HDR and with the HGiG feature turned on, the black tones are as deep as they should be on OLED and the scene is much nicer, because in general it is less bright than in DV. I wish there was a test of this kind of comparison.
After a huge search on the internet trying to find out which is the best way, I didn't come to any conclusion. Some said to disable DV, as games that offer native support for this mode are rare. So I decided to put into practice and test both modes on my LG C2. I noticed that the DV is really clearer and with clearer highlights in some games. And I fell for the bullshit of testing in the DEMO of RE4 Remake. I noticed exactly what you said: DV Mode cleared dark parts of the game that should not be clear. M$ should enable DV Mode only in games with native DV.
@@BR4DOKYBrazil Glad you noticed that too. It seems that in Gears 5 this problem also happens with Dolby Vision. I agree that it should have an Xbox select mode so it only turns on DV when the game is compatible. A feature that has but doesn't work properly...
@@dougramos88 When M$ announced this new feature, I was very excited, since I'm an image/HDR enthusiast. But, in practice, I'm seeing that it doesn't work as it should or as M$ imagined. It's funny that you mention Gears 5. In my research, Gears 5 has native DV and was not supposed to have the same problem as the RE4 Remake. I'm going to test Gears 5 too. Really, games that have HDR settings within the game itself, DV does not work very well.
@@yeoldeknight3285 Yea and when you turn off hdr and leave Dolby vision on it just plays in sdr. I am missing a trick but can't seem to find out how to do it anywhere.
@john phillips - I also have a Series S and thought it was because the S didn't come with an ultra high speed HDMI Cable. But I bought one and it still keeps saying HDR. I need help with this too.
Is the problem of posterization at 4K 120hz because of the tv or the xbox ?will there be posterization if you use an Xbox series x with a Samsung qled or on the other hand if you use a pc or PlayStation 5 with an lg oled ?
Hey Vincent did you know that the Alpha Rings of the Xbox Insider Program now offer 2 toggles for Dolby Vision. One is says “Allow Dolby Vision” and the other “Allow Dolby Vision Games”.
@@johnphillips7562 are you sure your TV supports Dolby Vision? And other detail is if you’re using the 120fps mode very very few TV can activate DV plus 120. Try using 60fps and check if DV works.
@@spacedovahkiin1364 Nothing works it is impossible. I have no idea how people are doing it. I have tried 60fps forcing off HDR through the Xbox and flight sim dirt 5 just default to HDR . Vincent is doing it On my television it is a 48 inch lg c1
I think another reason why some people prefer Dolby Vision over HDR is that the TV allows higher ABL and overdrives the panel more while in DV mode. I own an older 2017 model and I can vouch that on my TV lots of conent that hits ABL hard in SDR or HDR mode actually doesn't do that in Dolby Vision mode. I suspect LG is overdriving the panel in DV mode slightly to be able to get Dolby logo on their boxes... :)
Isnt dolby vision on games only out for preview members as of now? I have a TV that supports vision and I don't see any options to turn it on in place of hdr10
My C1 keeps saying "HDR" instead of "Dolby Vision" for Picture Mode. The software is up to date and my Xbox has all the green checks in 4k details. And I'm running Dolby Vision capable games. Idky the C1 won't switch to Dolby Vision. Any advice?
Recently discovered your videos after wanting an LG oled tv. Your videos are absolutely the best, most informative and helpful I've seen. Keep it up. Loving my 65" LG c1 and Xbox series x!
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Thanks for this helpful video. I think I just made my decision on which 8K TV (been doing a ton of comparing between 8K TVs for the future) I would like to get, it was between the LG QNED99 and the Samsung QN900a (Dolby Vision vs. HDR 10+) and also the LG without VRR vs. the QN900a with VRR (which I think is more important to me since I have a High End PC hooked up to the TV with a NVIDIA GPU that I really need G-Sync Compatibility for reducing tearing) so it came down to the HDR settings at this point. I also have the Xbox Series X and PS5 hooked up to the same TV In this case, my room is a brighter room and I have complained about the Sunlight coming in making the TV I am currently viewing too hard to see during the daytime so the Samsung TV in this case with its superior brightness settings would be a better fit in my case. While it will be a bit of a loss without the Dolby Vision on the Series X, the HDR10+ is just fine in my case (I want to upgrade from a TCL 4k HDR TV, has just "basic" HDR from 2017 and not alot of other features besides a game mode option for input lag). So getting the Samsung QN900a will help take advantage of the new consoles and my PC when I get the next GPU upgrade from my 20 Series NVIDIA GPU. I was leaning towards the LG, but based on the room I am in, the Samsung beats this out.
DV on Flight Simulator has a strange behaviour on my C9. Within DV it clips HDR (typical yellow instead of white HDR clipping). It does not happen in HDR10 though.
So I actually have a decent amount of posterization and gradient banding on my CX using BOTH Dolby Vision gaming and HDR10 gaming, in game mode, at 60Hz *and* 120Hz (note: still no DV gaming @ 120Hz on CX, but 60Hz accepts it). It’s marginally better than on my Q90R and TCLR625 sets. Plus it doesn’t seem to make a difference whether it’s HDR gaming on my Xbox One X or my Xbox Series X. I notice it - the banding - on pretty much every game. Halo MCC, Jedi Fallen Order, Mass Effect Legendary Edition, etc. I didn’t see or hear much by way of reviews that the CX had gradient issues with game mode. I don’t notice it on 4K playback of movies or TV from high-quality streaming. It’s just game mode. Any explanations? Fixes?
6:20 OMG it's no wonder that Dolby Vision looks worse... Dolby Vision runs normally with 12 bits... with 8 bits that's 4 bits less for color information... you can't compare it that way..
Have a PS4 pro connected to my new QLED and the tv has a setting "HDR Tone mapping" my question is since I already adjusted the HDR mapping in the settings of the PlayStation itself should I have tone mapping turned off? Is having both of them on limiting something?
Do you recommend keep Warm 50 on Dolby Vision? Second: Game optimizer has color depth 50 vs 65 on default mode. Which color depth is more accurate to set for dolby vision gaming?
Hi, i watched your reviews but you don't seem to put some sort of top 10 of your recommended TVs. You said Panasonic had to compromise quality for the HDMI 2.1, which is the best right now that you can buy for picture quality only? Without HDMI 2.1 even? I don't care about that for watching Blu Ray or TV, since TVs don't even broadcast at 120hz here or anywhere even. I use something else for gaming. Just my main TV. Thank you.
So what did you calibrate the tv and xbox with before doing these tests, was it with hgig or dynamic toning on in the hdr xbox app ? as they will give you both completely different results ?
Can you please go over some key settings that should be changed on the A80J (SDR, HDR, DV, gaming)? You do a lot of video of LG C1 settings but nothing on the A80J which is next closest tv a lot of us own. Thanks!
I don’t understand how you can get the VRR information displayed correctly and on my screen it just says “5 HZ” (cx). I thought updates would solve this, but not yet…
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We can say we can use force dolby vison on apple tv and have more highlights that on hdr native like on amazon prime video force it or you recommend to use the native signal
@ 6:08 i see freesync is showing the proper Hz instead of 5:5. Is this something an LG GX/CX owner can look forward to with the 120fps Dolby Vision 4k software update coming to us soon?
Honestly I love my GX so much but there has only ever been one thing I don’t like about it and it is that problem right there. I want to know the true value instead of trying to do maths with ratios on a number that is jumping around like a gymnast who has a case of the twisties.
Edit: Spelling like a librarian with a case of the squinties
will you upload a video for series x settings?
Great comparison video!
To all Xbox gamers who play on the One X, I realised yesterday that in 4K mode the One X has awful animation lag, this means every movement such as jumping and melee has input lag despite my equipment has no lag problem.
Playing on 1080p one the One X is more ideal for multiplayer!
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Yes
This is Vincent's low key flex of having 2 Xboxes.
The best of the best. Who wouldnt with a working brain
Not really, I had 3 xbsx and 8 ps5s
@@samarryll512 😂🤦♂️
@@ArtVandelayOfficial well I'm serious, sold two xbsx and all the ps5s, even my personal, it isn't as hard as people claim
@@samarryll512 so you're a scalper ?
Vincent is a Legend and truly deserves more exposure, thank you for your thorough reviews and deep dives into calibration and settings for us.
He doesn't want any more exposure because then he'll have to use both hands to cover his "media remote".
*DING!*
Vincent is my name and thank you
I have noticed even in movies that Dolby Vision has a slightly lower APL than HDR10. I think that's just the way it is. Sacrifice some total brightness to get a hair of highlight detail back.
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The OLED TVs are way too dark and on top of that shows extreme black. Does not work for me.
@@bobbycooke6159 Not the Sony A90J which does 1000-1300 nits
so cant you just decrease some brightness on HDR10 for the same thing? would like to see someone eyeball it to similar brightness, and see differences in overall color gamut then
For me with the Hisense dual cell its the complete opposite. DV has a significant improvement in APL and has better tone mapping. HDR10 does have more clipping for highlights. Colors are superior also on DV. With my OLED and Sony LCD I rarely saw a noticeable difference in most TV or movies between the two. Mainly just a little more saturation and occasionally a little step up in clarity
HDR is great but the fact that you need to adjust it in order for it to display properly makes it a loss for most people, then each game has its own setup and they are generally horrible
That's why they are releasing hdmi 2.1a this year, comes with a new feature called Source-Based Tone Mapping (SBTM). "SBTM is an improvement on HDR technology that lets your video source (PC, game console, etc) handle HDR tone-mapping for your TV or monitor. SBTM ends the need for manual HDR calibration. It should also improve video quality and reduce glitches on screens showing both HDR and SDR content simultaneously-something that’s fairly common in video editing and livestreaming."
@CoolhandLukeSkywalkr wow... this sounds incredible. So how does this work for older tvs that don't have hdmi 2.1a? My gpu, TV, cables are all just 2.1 so does that mean I need all new tv,gpu,TV, to take advantage of this? It seems like something that shouldn't need a bandwidth increase. Will a firmware achieve this?
@@randybobandy9828 Yeah, for hdmi 2.1a to work, everything in your chain of devices must have hdmi 2.1a also: "It’s expected that most source devices and displays sold in the last few years will be firmware updatable to support HDMI 2.1a, but we have no way of knowing exactly which companies and which products will do so. There’s no guarantee that just because your TV is physically capable of working with HDMI 2.1a, your manufacturer will choose to issue an update." - Digital Trends
That's why PlayStation 5 has auto tone mapping when used with a Sony Bravia XR TV.
Ikr. Ive tried hdr abd dolby both but they both make my picture look washed out and the colour faded. Even after changing the specific game hdr settings. I just default to my settings for the tv.
I will be interested to see a comparison when we actually start to get native Dolby Vision games.
Mass Effect Andromeda have it on PC, not sure if in console.
@@brewmonger666 Xbox SX has it
Despite the fact that dolby vision is nice.
Did you all knew that Halo 3 had real HDR lighting?
That's why the effects looked darn good that time.
Sad that there was no Oled and 4K at the time.
Battlefield One on PC supports Dolby Vision as well as Mass Effect Andromeda.
Gears of War 5 is also Dolby Vision
Vincent, apparently Battlefield 1 supports Dolby Vision natively, same as the PC version of Mass Effect Andromeda. Would be nice if you could test and compare those at some point.
The only pcs that support dolby vision are some laptops where the oem paid for the license.
@@Lead_Foot What are you talking about? It's only the TV/Monitor that has to supoort it not the PC/Graphics card. If you have a TV with Dolby Vision all you need are games that support it such as Battlefield V to work on PC.
@@theblackswordsman9951 for media DV doesn't work unless it is those oem pcs and you use the windows 10 app, I dont know about those games though
Andromeda doesn’t support dolby vision it’s broken and they will not fix a game they no longer support
Pretty sure DV in bf1 was/ is broken.
Thanks very much for taking the time to do this analysis that no one else can to your level. Please do revisit it when native DV games are released. Hopefully the picture output is triggered per title instead of an always on option - something like the Apple TV match content option.
Very cool to see how much support both LG and you, Vincent, have shown the CX series. Thanks for the info on this update.
Yes, you have to do another test when the games are developed with DV support.
You’re right.
I totally agree with you.
Once I bought my LG OLED CX 55 that I always use an HDR10 for gaming, and I recently decided to try a Dolby vision for gaming, and I felt there is something wrong. Yes I can see some slight details to Dolby vision, but the picture it’s darker in a strange way since most games out there they don’t have a native Dolby vision, and when you use a Dolby vision to Xbox series X games that which means the signal has been converted from HDR10 to Dolby vision.
The matter of fact I was much enjoying to play games on HDR10 since it’s more colorful, and more brighter, that even if you miss some slight details of the picture for HDR10 due to the brightness that it doesn’t matter since you’re playing a native HDR10 video games, and that’s also applying for watching a movies in HDR format. So I suggest you guys stick to HDR format until the new video games launch a native Dolby vision to see the different in between.
I'm just starting my research but let me tell you. I appreciate this comment of yours. It def if very informative and goes a long way
@@XxLaMaravish13xX HDR10 for gaming is now the King until the new incomings games launch a native Dolby Vision for gaming.
I great recap, very informative thank you!
Dolby vision is Brighter for my monitor screen
Thanks for the comparison. Oh my C7, Dolby Vision was a huge upgrade for me because of how dim the regular HDR game mode is on the tv. It's enough to hold off on upgrading for another year or two
The reason people say the Dolby Vision looks much better is probably the placebo effect, the same reason people will claim expensive wines or high resolution audio is much better, but they won't be able to tell the difference in double blind tests. Most enthusiasts will know not to leave the game mode with color temperature at 0
Agreed
Very true I have a old 2011 plasma and I can't tell the difference to my lg c1
It is all just marketing and we are the lemmings that lap it all up and spend spend spend .
In the 90s no one bought a new TV or VCR you just kept the one you had untill it broke.
I still think my 1997 Sony Trinitron looks great.
4k Dolby vision hdr10 are all just minor improvements.
We have seen nothing like black and white to colour
@@johnphillips7562 depends... to gaming, the input lag is much better than any old TV. Picture quality really depends on you exigency. I have a Plasma and a NanoCell. Plasma picture quality is way ahead, but for gaming, the low input lag from the 2020 TV is just great. Thinking that way, oled is the combination of 2 great things. Good for movies and games. But nothing is like black and white to rgb anymore.
@@MisterRhul
Yea I do enjoy the low latency and 120hz gaming.
But to be honest for movies I never watch the plasma and think oh I wish I was watching the oled.
I didn have a Q90a but returned it for the c1
Led has no contrast or depth.
@@johnphillips7562 now that is just bullshit.🤣🤣🤣
Dolby vision can be a game changer! The real difference is in "dynamic" HDR. In theory, every scene can have different settings. I'm not sure if games can make use of that? But imagine Dolby Vision build directly into the engine with different settings for each environment, dynamically calculated, in a cave HDR is different then in the field with grass and different again in a building with windows, i think, this could be amazing and truly "next gen" Could someone find out if epic for example is working on that already? If not, Im the first one thinking about it and want royalty for it :D
Hey Vincent, I’ve always been a huge fan of your content and please keep the LG / Xbox Series X clips coming!! Just as a quick note here- I’m not sure if you know this, but there are actually a few titles on the Xbox Series X that actually do support Dolby Vision HDR, such as: Gears 5, Halo: The Master Chief Collection and Borderlands 3. Perhaps you can use one of these games in your next Dolby Vision vs HDR10 comparison. I mostly play The Master Chief Collection anyway, so I’ve lucked out big time in this category. The game plays amazing on my LG ZX in Dolby Vision, 120hz, 8K upscaling, with Freesync enabled… Only thing that I was crushed to admit, is that RGB (4:4:4 chroma sampling) does not function with these settings because the Xbox Series X isn’t capable of sending out more than 40 gbps… This was a crushing blow for me, because I’ve only recently even figured out how to get 4:4:4 chroma sampling to even work in my set up through the tutorials in your videos, and it was awesome. I miss the greater specular highlights from 4:4:4, but I’d have to say that Dolby Vision at 120hz with Freesync is worth the trade off, at least on the Master Chief Collection where the game actually supports Dolby Vision.
Dan - recently got a Series X and I'm an LGCX owner. I know that 4:4:4 chroma is enabled by changing the input tag to PC mode, are you saying it doesn't work at all because of the 40gbps limit on Xbox? Or is it because you have AMD freesync enabled? I'm wondering what the best way to play the Master Chief Collection would be, any insight would be greatly appreciated.
@@anomalyLG Maybe I haven’t messed around with it enough- I just left it on 8-bit 4:2:2 chroma after the 120hz Dolby Vision update throttled me back from 10-bit 4:4:4 chroma. It kinda sucks a little bit going backwards like that after having gotten used to 4:4:4, but I guess I assumed I had no other option and thus I really haven’t tried much to fix it. I also turned back on BT.2020 and then turned my reds down a little bit to try and help… It looks better in the MCC to me- but the reds are still kinda washed out in Madden 22.
UPDATE: So it appears to be either Dolby Vision 120hz at 4:2:2 or nothing… Freesync doesn’t make an impact- the only way to get 4:4:4 chroma back is to disable Dolby Vision. I can’t even get the tv to work on 4:4:4 with Dolby Vision at 60hz anymore… Even when I put the tv back over into V1 of Dolby Vision and launched it at 60hz it is still 8-Bit at 4:2:2 chroma now… Kinda sucks I can’t seem to go back to 4:4:4 unless I completely disable Dolby Vision. So for my money, you have to play games in Dolby Vision at 120hz instead of regular HDR at 10-but 4:4:4 chroma… Let me know if you can figure it out, but for me this is the best I’ve got. It’s Dolby or nothing - and I’m going with Dolby Vision.
@@danbanasik2212 I will try to play the MCC in 120hz Dolby Vision on the PC mode and let you know if it keeps 444 chroma. Thanks for the response!
I just noticed the same when playing cold war in dolby vision compared to HDR
Excellent video Vincent. I personally prefer HDR at 120Hz. I only use Dolby Vision when games don't have an in-game calibration tool.
How to activate it?
Can you share the updated recommendations for LGCX settings? Thank you!
Thanks for the great video. I was trying to figure which was the best. Sounds like dolby vision has a slight advantage especially for those of us who aren't professional calibrator.
I've noticed Dolby vision gaming makes the screen and picture much darker. It wasn't doing that yesterday so maybe the app is having trouble but when Dolby vision kicks on the screen and picture darken significantly
I notice it too. In terms of graphics, it’s really not much of a difference even though many say DV is better graphically. I’d rather have a brighter screen lol.
Turn off hdr and just leave dolby vision on, you gonna see the difference
Turn off hdr and hdr10 and just have dolby vision on, trust me you wont go back
The dolby vision looks more saturated. But to be fair, when i’m blasting through forza at 300km/h i’m not gonna go “oooooh that specular highlight detail is a tad better”. As long as it looks good, has good shadow detail specifically, and feels smooth i’m good. For movies it’s a different story though
Well i'd rather it keep as much detail as possible. Tbh it is a tad noticable, especially the example of the plane's details at the side being completely blown out. Probably more so in person too than through a compressed YT vid. And if you can keep the detail without losing significant APL then why not.
@@theblackswordsman9951 but in my opinion posterization is way worse than a tiny bit overblown highlights
Thanks again Vince 🙏 Definitely do the native comparison when you can! I'll be there within minutes.
Awesome clip, thanks Vincent! I’m a LG OLED and Series X owner so these are my favorite types of clips to watch on UA-cam
So cringe🤢🤮🤧
@@KyleViewing Simpstation fan much?
Do the test again and try Gears 5. They updated their game to support Dolby vision.
Just wanted to say thank you for so many videos I've watched and because of your input and opinions reviews and the like, I decided the 55" LG C1 OLED tv was a perfect fit for my needs with gaming. And it's... Beautiful. This was such a hard decision to make. But I'm satisfied with this purchase. Thanks you!
My exact model too! Love it
Has another comparison been done 2 years later ?
After trying HDR HGIG alternating back and forth with DV , I find HGIG slightly brighter however there is something about DV that really cooks and has made my decision final to opt for DV , some games tested FH4/5 , Trails fusion , Wreckfest , is it that the peak brightness highlights are popping more maybe , tested on LG C1
I don't understand how games can have Dolby Vision? I thought the idea was that in movies / TV series, you can control the image scene by scene to produce an image as intended by the director. But in games, every scene depends on user input and is gonna be different for each person and played differently. I don't get it, can someone please explain?
LG ADD DOLBY VISION 120 hz to the C9, ya know the tv that can actually handle the full bandwidth.
I wish they would too but it might not be able to handle the processing -- I bet it could though.
Fantastic and thorough deep dive into how these consoles play with today’s high def television. Thank you Mr. Vincent for the quality content.
Honestly Dolby vision seemed to drop brightness everywhere but not in a bad way. It seemed to tone down brightness that wasn't needed or too much and Dolby vision because of this had amazing highlights.
I definitely preferred Dolby vision when i had it. Hoping to see it return soon in a finished way and not just testing
Is there any chance that the 4K/120 posterization issue has been fixed with the final, non-beta rollout of DV on Xbox?
Vincent proceeds to buy a third Xbox and calls it... Series XXX...
I always use DV but only because I like to see the DV logo pop up when I start a game..
Fantastic video, Vincent. This content is much appreciated from the OLED/Xbox community. It seems like Dolby Vision games (and indeed the official DV game HDR support) will at least come out this year with Halo Infinite being natively built for it. It will be great to see the difference here.
Already wanted a C1 to play Halo at 120Hz, why are telling me this and making me by a C1 when i don't really need it?
@@xxxshinomorixxx You don't need it? Bro, I got myself a CX with the Series X launch and the display is actually perfect. You can fire up whatever crappy stuff you have and it will still look amazing.
Rest In Peace to our hope for good DV support in halo
@@TheShifty360 Yeah... hopefully things will get worked out.
@@TheShifty360 I belive over time they will get to this, but not a priority right now. Have Dolby vision disabled as Halo is my mai game right now
On my B9 there is a definite difference between HDR10 (game user preset with HGIG) and Dolby Vision (cinema user preset) when using the same baseline settings for both (50 brightness, OLED light 100, contrast 100, colour 50, warm 2 and all extra processing off) which favours Dolby Vision by having slightly punchier and more pleasing image. Overall it just seems to make the lighting in-game a little more cohesive and natural. Maybe with professional calibration the difference might not be so apparent but using the same settings for both modes does yield a slightly different image. Are the gamma values slightly different between the two modes?
One thing I did notice is that even judging by eye I needed to adjust the red tint in CMS to +10 because the reds appeared quite pink/magenta compared to HDR10. Once I'd done that I really do prefer Dolby Vision to HDR10 personally. It also seems to look better with games that utilise Auto HDR. Just a shame I can't have 120hz at the same time but as the majority of games run at 60hz then I tend to leave the console set to 60hz with DV most of the time and only switch to 120hz HDR if I play a game that I use it on (Rocket League for example).
The only thing I don't like about Dolby Vision is how bright the Xbox guide is compared to HDR10.
Where and how can I calibrate my TV to be like yours?
Would love to see this guy compare the best CRT monitors/displays against the latest OLEDs.
Let the crt bullshit die on digital foundry thanks.
Have to test Halo Infinite in december, first game to have native DV.
great video!
One of the best channels on UA-cam thank you guys ✌️
I have a question. I have the lgc1 and I can't get the gamer settings on the tv to go to Dolby at all. How did you get it to go into that mode?
If you have an Xbox series x it can be enabled thru the video settings on the console.
curious if you have a reference guide on the calibrated settings of your TV for us who cannot afford buying expensive calibration tools?
I need your opinion on the X95j In a true HDR clip
Please make a video as of why gaming feel different between hdmi cec off and on… on LG CX and PS5
When DV gaming is officially released to public will you do another recommended settings video for series x and LG CX/C1 oleds, I think there will be a lot of discussion about chroma with DV, 40gbps limitation and PC mode and so on, and how it works, as PC mode we select for 444 full chroma, yet with DV gaming coming and 40gbps hardware limitation on series x and LG oleds, will not reach this??
Really dont understand why guides always like these warm temperature colors with everything having an yellow tone, to me it seems like it washes all the other colors. I guess it is to simulate an movie that plays on the theaters but i always liked the more clean image from my home TVs, and games dont have anything to do with theaters so why recommend this to games as well?
I really don’t like the yellow looking filter either. It’s like I’ve got night mode engaged when playing a game. White doesn’t look white and has a sepia color to it. Playing a racing game makes it very obvious just looking at the speedometer.
It's something you get used to after a few days/weeks. When you get used to it, and then change back to "normal" or "cool" (or however your TV terms it) it looks off. Warm is used because it matches natural daylight most accurately. The reason behind the yellowish-white is due to the RGB pixels on most TVs, but modern TVs have introduced different ways to go about it so the whites appear white.
That said, it's not perceptibly always like that, especially in HDR. The thing that needs to be done is, if you want the most accurate image, change it to that, and live with it for a few weeks. The most recent thing I had to get used to was turning the backlight on my LCD down for SDR titles as I always wanted parity between SDR and HDR for TV settings, and having backlight low seemed too dim even in my near-pitch-black room environment, but now I'm so used to it that trying high backlight settings hurts my eyes.
Calibrated settings for TVs are the same for games and films/shows. It should be noted though, you use what looks best to you, that's what's most important, although, at that point, videos like this are useless.
@@mrchiledonutgreat response Nicholas
When you calibrate the tv DV & look about the same. I find warm 2 hard on my eyes so I use warm 1. I noticed that DV puts the sharpness up to 10 which you always suggested not to do
Do you really advice to game on new OLED TV's?
I saw an RTINGS burn in test, and the results are really "burnt".
My 55 C1 is delivering and I'm really confused about what to do with it..
Just avoid prolonged static elements on the screen as much as you can & it should be okay. That however never guarantees something won't burn in. That's just how it's going to be with OLED.
Do you leave in game HDR sliders at default when using Dolby vision?
Practically identical, the only difference is that dolby vision is slightly darker
Bigger difference in movies than gaming.
Microsoft should get rid of the global HDR toggle on Xbox and give us a per game setting. Games with poor HDR are better in SDR. Then of the good ones, some are better in HDR10 and others in DV, yet we have to constantly swap these setting around and it's hard to remember what you use for which game.
I believe another benefit of using Dolby Vision for gaming is how it works on the older LG OLED models. I have both a C7 and a CX. To my knowledge the C7 did not handle HDR signals correctly and it’s version of dynamic tone mapping was a must to use. However in game modes that dynamic tone mapping could not be enabled. This led to HDR games looking less than desired. Using DV on the Xbox seems to fix all of that for gaming on the C7. I think LG fixed the way their TVs handled HDR starting with the C8 but for anyone with a C7 try using DV on the Xbox.
OMFG THIS IS THE COMMENT I WAS LOOKING FOR !! I have the OLED C7 ! And XSX I thought Dolby Vision made it look way better then HDR, made it brighter and darker at the same time! But I wasn’t sure! I totally thought that it would make the older models better! I thought HDR gaming was Dark but Dolby Vision is so bright and Dark too !!
can you do one on watching movies? which is better?
5:45 what is posterization ?
I came here because I'm playing Resident Evil 4 Remake on an Xbox Series X and a 55" LG OLED C2. Playing with Dolby Vision gaming, I noticed that there is no dynamic tone mapping control on the TV's options screen, that is, it is automatic. Therefore, I realized that many test the DV vs HDR features but never in games with dark scenes. Then I realized playing RE4 that in DV Gaming in Resident Evil 4 in dark scenes (other games also in dark scenes), the mapping DV's automatic dynamic tone boosts brightness to a disastrous extent where it appears as if there is a bluish haze on the screen.
Switching to HDR and with the HGiG feature turned on, the black tones are as deep as they should be on OLED and the scene is much nicer, because in general it is less bright than in DV. I wish there was a test of this kind of comparison.
After a huge search on the internet trying to find out which is the best way, I didn't come to any conclusion. Some said to disable DV, as games that offer native support for this mode are rare. So I decided to put into practice and test both modes on my LG C2. I noticed that the DV is really clearer and with clearer highlights in some games. And I fell for the bullshit of testing in the DEMO of RE4 Remake. I noticed exactly what you said: DV Mode cleared dark parts of the game that should not be clear. M$ should enable DV Mode only in games with native DV.
@@BR4DOKYBrazil Glad you noticed that too. It seems that in Gears 5 this problem also happens with Dolby Vision. I agree that it should have an Xbox select mode so it only turns on DV when the game is compatible. A feature that has but doesn't work properly...
@@dougramos88
When M$ announced this new feature, I was very excited, since I'm an image/HDR enthusiast. But, in practice, I'm seeing that it doesn't work as it should or as M$ imagined. It's funny that you mention Gears 5. In my research, Gears 5 has native DV and was not supposed to have the same problem as the RE4 Remake. I'm going to test Gears 5 too. Really, games that have HDR settings within the game itself, DV does not work very well.
@@dougramos88
Are you Brazilian?
@@BR4DOKYBrazil yes
How do I game in Dolby vision on c1 with series s they all just go HDR for me
Same but with series x
@@yeoldeknight3285
Yea and when you turn off hdr and leave Dolby vision on it just plays in sdr.
I am missing a trick but can't seem to find out how to do it anywhere.
@john phillips - I also have a Series S and thought it was because the S didn't come with an ultra high speed HDMI Cable. But I bought one and it still keeps saying HDR. I need help with this too.
@@vincentperez3160
I keep looking online but keep seeing that it is possible but no idea how to activate it.
@@johnphillips7562 Same. Everyone keeps saying all you have to do is update the C1's software, but I did that and still no change.
Is the problem of posterization at 4K 120hz because of the tv or the xbox ?will there be posterization if you use an Xbox series x with a Samsung qled or on the other hand if you use a pc or PlayStation 5 with an lg oled ?
Hey Vincent did you know that the Alpha Rings of the Xbox Insider Program now offer 2 toggles for Dolby Vision. One is says “Allow Dolby Vision” and the other “Allow Dolby Vision Games”.
Could you tell me how to allow Dolby vision gaming
@@johnphillips7562 inside TV & display options go to video modes I believe. It’s where you can toggle autoHDR and the other stuff.
@@spacedovahkiin1364
Thanks tried all that everything on it always defaults to hdr
@@johnphillips7562 are you sure your TV supports Dolby Vision? And other detail is if you’re using the 120fps mode very very few TV can activate DV plus 120. Try using 60fps and check if DV works.
@@spacedovahkiin1364
Nothing works it is impossible.
I have no idea how people are doing it.
I have tried 60fps forcing off HDR through the Xbox and flight sim dirt 5 just default to HDR .
Vincent is doing it
On my television it is a 48 inch lg c1
I think another reason why some people prefer Dolby Vision over HDR is that the TV allows higher ABL and overdrives the panel more while in DV mode. I own an older 2017 model and I can vouch that on my TV lots of conent that hits ABL hard in SDR or HDR mode actually doesn't do that in Dolby Vision mode. I suspect LG is overdriving the panel in DV mode slightly to be able to get Dolby logo on their boxes... :)
I'd take hdr10 444 over DV 420 every day
fo fo fo.
I really don’t know what ppl are talking about. Hdr 10 looks better in nearly everything he compared. 🤔
Great video but I'm still waiting for LG to give CX the update. Any word on when that will be?
@Ryan Simmons Oh wow.. I had no idea this was a thing. Got a link? TY.
@Ryan Simmons which also fucks many other settings up and can't be switched back.
We are so lucky to have you Vincent!
Great comparison video! I would love more of this in the future
Isnt dolby vision on games only out for preview members as of now? I have a TV that supports vision and I don't see any options to turn it on in place of hdr10
Gta supports dolby vision.
My C1 keeps saying "HDR" instead of "Dolby Vision" for Picture Mode. The software is up to date and my Xbox has all the green checks in 4k details. And I'm running Dolby Vision capable games. Idky the C1 won't switch to Dolby Vision. Any advice?
Recently discovered your videos after wanting an LG oled tv. Your videos are absolutely the best, most informative and helpful I've seen. Keep it up. Loving my 65" LG c1 and Xbox series x!
You are legendary and the more comparisons the better!
Xbox has been on fire. Love the content they have and Gamepass ofcourse.
Gamepass is trash! Ridiculous price for a rental service that rotates their game very month.
@@YoYo-uh3xj rofl
dumpster fire... Game pass is literally the only thing it has going for it, and it's better on PC.
Xbox has no actual exclusive content.
@@Dreadpirateflappy You ponies are full of shit lmao. Gamepass is the Netflix of gaming around the world. And it money profit is something sony never would reach.
Have you heard anything else about it coming to the CX?
Thanks for this helpful video. I think I just made my decision on which 8K TV (been doing a ton of comparing between 8K TVs for the future) I would like to get, it was between the LG QNED99 and the Samsung QN900a (Dolby Vision vs. HDR 10+) and also the LG without VRR vs. the QN900a with VRR (which I think is more important to me since I have a High End PC hooked up to the TV with a NVIDIA GPU that I really need G-Sync Compatibility for reducing tearing) so it came down to the HDR settings at this point. I also have the Xbox Series X and PS5 hooked up to the same TV In this case, my room is a brighter room and I have complained about the Sunlight coming in making the TV I am currently viewing too hard to see during the daytime so the Samsung TV in this case with its superior brightness settings would be a better fit in my case. While it will be a bit of a loss without the Dolby Vision on the Series X, the HDR10+ is just fine in my case (I want to upgrade from a TCL 4k HDR TV, has just "basic" HDR from 2017 and not alot of other features besides a game mode option for input lag). So getting the Samsung QN900a will help take advantage of the new consoles and my PC when I get the next GPU upgrade from my 20 Series NVIDIA GPU. I was leaning towards the LG, but based on the room I am in, the Samsung beats this out.
So wait… if the series x can only has a 10 bit chipset… then why is there an option at all for 12 bit?
How to try to distinguish the two modes via video compression generated by youtube?????????????????
Why is the guide menu on XSX dimmer on HGIG but regular brightness on DV?
DV on Flight Simulator has a strange behaviour on my C9. Within DV it clips HDR (typical yellow instead of white HDR clipping). It does not happen in HDR10 though.
Can't believe Vincent & Vincent bought an extra Xbox when it's so hard for normal people to get just one.
It hard at all.I got one and it’s awesome
So I actually have a decent amount of posterization and gradient banding on my CX using BOTH Dolby Vision gaming and HDR10 gaming, in game mode, at 60Hz *and* 120Hz (note: still no DV gaming @ 120Hz on CX, but 60Hz accepts it). It’s marginally better than on my Q90R and TCLR625 sets. Plus it doesn’t seem to make a difference whether it’s HDR gaming on my Xbox One X or my Xbox Series X. I notice it - the banding - on pretty much every game. Halo MCC, Jedi Fallen Order, Mass Effect Legendary Edition, etc. I didn’t see or hear much by way of reviews that the CX had gradient issues with game mode. I don’t notice it on 4K playback of movies or TV from high-quality streaming. It’s just game mode. Any explanations? Fixes?
It's the tv , nothing to do with Dolby vision or hdr10 , lg oled have heavy banding
6:20 OMG it's no wonder that Dolby Vision looks worse... Dolby Vision runs normally with 12 bits... with 8 bits that's 4 bits less for color information... you can't compare it that way..
Is there a Sony A80J comparison with Xbox?
It really sucks that Dolby Vision cuts to 422 at 120hz, in order to play Flight Sim with VRR you need 120hz enabled.
Hey Vincent, what do oled screen brightness do you recomment for dolvy vision?
How do you have all the options in the advance menu available? mine are all greyed out, even with OLED care disabled.
can you do halo mcc please and how to optimize hdr setting and tv calibration on lg for xbox series x
Did you try PC mode with HDR 120hz?
The entire HDR10 presentation was 4K HDR 120Hz with [PC] mode engaged.
@@hdtvtest Excellent. I've found PC mode helps with PS5 4K 120hz, but not the Series X. Thanks for clarifying.
Have a PS4 pro connected to my new QLED and the tv has a setting "HDR Tone mapping" my question is since I already adjusted the HDR mapping in the settings of the PlayStation itself should I have tone mapping turned off? Is having both of them on limiting something?
Do you recommend keep Warm 50 on Dolby Vision? Second: Game optimizer has color depth 50 vs 65 on default mode. Which color depth is more accurate to set for dolby vision gaming?
Vicent, what about LG NANOCELL 2020 TVs? Any news about Dolby Vision gaming 4k At 120Hz update?
is there any addition of imput lag with dolby vision?
I’m sure no one will see this but my question is, if I turn on Dolby Vision on my Xbox Series X, does it still do HDR for games that don’t support DV?
It does dolby vision foe everything
Is LG EF9500 still a decent tv in 2021? you dont hsve any videos on it
Hi, i watched your reviews but you don't seem to put some sort of top 10 of your recommended TVs. You said Panasonic had to compromise quality for the HDMI 2.1, which is the best right now that you can buy for picture quality only? Without HDMI 2.1 even? I don't care about that for watching Blu Ray or TV, since TVs don't even broadcast at 120hz here or anywhere even. I use something else for gaming. Just my main TV. Thank you.
So what did you calibrate the tv and xbox with before doing these tests, was it with hgig or dynamic toning on in the hdr xbox app ? as they will give you both completely different results ?
Any idea if/when this update is coming for cx/gx tvs?
Is it best just to turn iff hdr auto and dolby hdr on gaming settings and just go to SDR?
Can you please go over some key settings that should be changed on the A80J (SDR, HDR, DV, gaming)? You do a lot of video of LG C1 settings but nothing on the A80J which is next closest tv a lot of us own. Thanks!
I don’t understand how you can get the VRR information displayed correctly and on my screen it just says “5 HZ” (cx). I thought updates would solve this, but not yet…
How do you force Dolby Vision for non supported titles?
the Xbox series x does it by itself it displays all titles in dolby vision instead of hdr10.
So the lg c9 won't get dolby vision 120hz support at all?
Excellent comparision and world class content as always !
I have a b9 and series x, how do I choose between dolby vision and hdr10 for forza?
Tell me Please, how to wipe the dust from the LG C1 TV screen ?
Microfibre cloth, if there’s actual dirt that won’t come off with just a cloth then use a little distilled water. Never use solvents or furniture polish/cleaner.