For everyone saying I should have compared HDR10+ vs Dolby Vision... Well, that comparison is in the making! Here it is! ua-cam.com/video/S3FJHIY0ag8/v-deo.html
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@@JilesMcCoy: _"Do you know of a TV that can do HDR10+ and Dolby Vision?"_ - Some Panasonic and Vizio TV models: rtings.com/tv/learn/hdr10-vs-dolby-vision
Right now the metadata for hdr is kinda wrong i think hdr is being pushed too Soon but if peaple don't calibrate there tgs then thye won't see the difference if you been to the cinemas and then turn on your TV and go shit why does my colours look over saturated and crap hdr is kinda in the ballpark of overblown highlights and everything so ile be sticking to ULTRA HD SRGB rec709 for a long time till hdr can put its foot where it needs to be hdr is more complicated since nobody knows what hdr should be at this time we are just guessing Rec709 already has a standard but hdr has multiple standard's so basically dolby vision is the best because its what Sony and cinemas are likely to use so why not stick 5i dolby vision oh wait hiw many games use dolby vision none they only support hdr 10 which is just as whacko I give hdr 20 years to look correct maybe when microled comes out and have 10000nits monitors and tvs to show what hdr truly means yet none of you will know what true hdr feels or looks like all I hear is peaple popping there Cherry's at 1000nits like wtf what Sony shown with there 10000nits big screen is why I am put off hdr right now but even at 10000nits it needs oled like black levels yet thats why microled is the future of display technology pretty much tge breaking point of displays I don't think you can make a display better than grabbing the simple led and making it nano small by the billions onto a display assembly but microled has a long way to go so why mess with hdr when it's realy just a scam at this point yet resolution will increase regardless 8k microled tvs anyone yea exactly 8k 10000nits panels not gonna lie I give up trying to chase that dream ti have games look amazing at 10000nits true dynamic hdr but guess what its never gonna happen for years to come
I bought my first 4k TV on black Friday and it only has HDR10, Im very happy with it, but the more I learned about 4k, the more I was feeling bummed out about not buying one with Dolby Vision. This Washington a huge relief. The difference between SDR and HDR can be huge, I'm actually kinda glad the difference between hdr10 and Dolby Vision isn't that big yet.
Most of the comparisons between HDR10 and Dolby Vision isn't quite the big thing some people make it out to be. There are many variables that come into play, the quality of the source, the type of panel etc. Also, There is next to no difference between HDR10 Plus and Dolby Vision to the next eye. The question you should ask yourself, are you happy with what you've got. I've got the Samsung S95C 77" and I love it, my friend got the LG G4 77" and it's also amazing. Don't get pulled into the hype.
Look at fire screen in ready player one fire looks more realistic on Dolby vision that point in the dynamic hdr it makes stuff looj real compared to regular hdr
5:25, This effect can be seen if the camera takes a photo when the TV switched to the next image resulting in half of the exposure taken from the prev frame and half of the new frame. Because you are doing a video and you are shooting 24p, the same framerate as the movie, each frame will be taken in between the frames of what the TV is showing. Like two out of sync clocks :)
Seriously tho....I find myself watching much less network television programming (thru dish network) and instead watching netflix, amazon prime, disney plus, hulu, hbo now (soon to be hbo max) for the better quality 4k hdr content . I still watch a ton of sports on network tv, but the shows I now gravitate to are on the platforms that offer the best picture quality, hdr, and dolby atmos. I am looking forward to over the air 4k hdr broadcast with a tuner in 2020 though, as I live in an area that is early adopting the new ATSC 3.0 format, so that will be great.
InconvenientlyPlacedTroll : Don’t hold your breath. These big network providers aren’t even at 1080p (standard is 720p/1080i) as tv and satellite bandwidth and network are old and limited. The investment to upgrade the industry to 4K is pointless as people are cutting the cord regardless.
The public got duped with Dolby vision, thanks to marketing. You Don't have a 12 bit panel or content incoded with 12 bit., you ain't seeing Dolby vision.
This was the best explanation and review of this technology. I loved the tv comparisons and you making it super clear to understand. So much better than the big tech reviewers and their overly tech plantations and graphs that really doesn’t translate to real world avg consumer understanding. Awesome work, please keep it up! Looking forward to your channel prospering!
Great video mate... personally I think it really comes down to personal preference... and for me, the HDR10 is a winner over dolby because it seems to have a more vibrant look than the duller version of the dolby.... but that's just me, some people like the darker versions... once again, personal preference...
Mate, you are cruelly wrong. HDR is more darker than DV. In generally, DV have a dynamic range metadate in every frame but HDR have only a one metadate for whole video
@@olddante2898 that may be the case, but I can only go by the video I'm watching.. and in this video the dolby version is alot duller and not as vibrant... so if what you say is true, than obviously this video the bloke has put out is a false misinterpretation of Dolby... watch the video, I'm sure you'll agree...
With HDR10, the content's “metadata” is static so one set of values are established for a whole piece of content, like an entire movie in your example. DV and HDR10+ have dynamic metadata that allows each frame to be different. So every frame is treated to its own set of colors, brightness, and contrast parameters making for a much more realistic-looking image. Areas of the screen that might have been over-saturated under HDR10, like in your example, should be able to display their full details with HDR10+, but forget all of that. DV is the best HDR format for now and that's just the way it is. P.s. Love your videos. Keep up the great work.
I've been a television producer for over 30 years and I've got to tell you Dolby vision can be nice but it also has a lot of issues and is fairly overhyped. One of the biggest issues is that very often Dolby vision movies end up crushing some of the black levels into invisibility. I compared the scene in Dune where you see the inside of the sand worms mouth on HDR 10 versus Dolby vision with absolutely no other adjustments changed on my OLED television set and on the Dolby vision version the inside of the mouth is almost invisible, whereas with the HDR 10 you can still clearly see all the details without looking overly bright. And I've seen this time and time again where people have said they have issues with Dolby vision both looking slightly duller and too dark. I then tried playing the exact same Dolby vision movie through my oppo 203 both with Dolby vision and Dolby vision disabled and asked people to pick which one they liked better and every single person preferred the image with the Dolby vision off.
In the scene from Ready Player One with the fire, the fire seemed to have more detail in Dolby Vision than it did in HDR10. There was more shades of color, instead of it mostly being the same.
Its due to higher brightness in hdr10 which camera overexposed. Go see 4:08 where DV has higher brightness and so camera overexposes and looks like detail loss.
All of your comparision videos are a true gamechanger. Beside this fact the quality of your UA-cam Videos in HDR is outstanding. Thank you so much for your work!
Real world person here. Just visited a store to check out this difference. Final conclusion, the biggest upgrade buy an enormous Factor is resolution. I wasn't able to discern the jump from 4K to 8K, but the jump from 1080p to 4K is relevant. And sent all 4K televisions come with some version of improved color, you basically can't go wrong unless you choose Edge lighting. You could get away with a $700 TV and experienced 98% of the benefits of the newest TVs.
To my eyes, Dolby Vision seemed more of an accurate representation of how I would interpret HDR. HDR10 looks more vibrant to my eyes, and in some scenes, looked great, but in others seemed like it made some shots overblown. Like you said about the ghosting: I’ve seen more ghosting on HDR10 than on Vision. Both are fantastic, but to MY EYES, I prefer Dolby Vision. That’s the beauty of choice though!
As I have an LG C8 & run Amazon & Netflix, I can see HDR & DV on a daily basis. HDR looks good but oversaturated and unnatural, DV always looks great. Stranger Things & The Witcher are so great to watch, never regretted buying an LG OLED because of the great DV support!
HDR10 and DV can be graded to 10k nits, both of them use the same EOTF PQ developed by Dolby. DV although encoded at 10 bits, the extra 2 bits exist within DV metadata. I didn't see higher nits in the HDR10 playback of Ready Player One, you are just seeing DV doing a better job of maintaining the detail within the flame with its dynamic metadata and dynamic tone mapping. Many comparisons point to DV having better primary color saturation, 12 bit reduces posterization (its when you can see pixels in a saturated solid color) and color banding (bands of color at different levels of saturation).
this is one of the best side by side I have seen, good job! What I would like to see is same compare, but done using different HDR10/DV/HDR10+ processors to see which one performs each best.
OLED is nice but I’ll wait until they improve screen retention issues. (Waiting for the “they don’t have the issues comment) I’ve seen they do, and with 70% of our viewing kids programs and still images or bars on screen, I’d have screen retention in no time. Went with a QLED for now.
Michael Holly Lol 😂! I have lg c9 ! And there’s an option to dim the logos and watermark...oled is the best! Qled is trash ! Just another expensive LCD
As someone who just transitioned to a Dolby Vision TV from an HDR10 tv....I am blown away at the clarity and accuracy of Dolby Vision, whereas HDR10 was simply very good.
It's honestly not that big of a leap though because no TVs can even support the full DV color range. HDR10 looks VERY similar in cases i've personally seen in person. You think your higher quality TV in general could be part of it? There's some damn good looking HDR10 sets.
Also HDR nor Dolby Vision is not very accurate. There is no standard even now 3 years after this video. SDR will always be more accurate and calibrating HDR is a do the best you can endeavor. I prefer SDR on my OLED. Much more reliable format. It always looks great.
@@tac6044 I feel like 90% of people that scream that HDR looks so much better than SDR just go by the default picture modes on their TV's. Like "OMG everything is so vivid in HDR!" when in actuality it's because the HDR mode is boosting the contrast unrealistically. Can there be a difference between a good mastered HDR source and SDR, of course. But to often HDR is slapped on without much care causing an optimized picture (especially in gaming). SDR is just easier, stable and can look fantastic. There really isn't a massive difference but TV manufactures needed something to sell. Just like 8K, something we really don't need but they need something new to sell.
Great video. I’d say if the TV is able to accurately display an extreme depth of brightness/ darkness (like the LG C9 OLED I have), Dolby Vision is the way to go. If it’s an LED/LCD- since everything gets blasted by a giant backlight, I don’t think there would be much of a difference between the two formats.
@ it didn't matter the calibration because nothing can fix the poor native Q80 and Q90 contrast... About their colours out of the box it didn't bothered much, red, blue, green and specially yellow all looked fine o my naked eyes... Q80 and Q90 2019 simply reduced color volume and lost most of its native contrast and even a bit of definition because of the new Samsung wide viewing angle layer which I don't care as my TVs are always private for me only and Im always directly in front...
I have two TV Shootout Winners. The 2016 LG G6 OLED. And the Sony Z9D. On both these my TV's... Dolby Vision(OLED) wins by a large margin in many ways. I compared many many 4K DV Disc movies played from my OPPO 203 disc player. With my OPPO I can force HDR10 when playing a DV movie disc.
Larry Wong Can’t agree more since i am doing also tests and i am really surprised how people can find dv to be « a bit » more better. Have tried so many videos and dv is waaay better.
Bassem Rabeh I’m not saying it isn’t. I’m saying in this video it wasn’t far superior. I’m thinking of getting a C9 so I would like to see a video of it far superior so when I make my decision I know what I’m getting.
Michael LaMartina There is no way to see it on a youtube video (see it to the point to make a decision). I sold all my leds for the oled mainly because of the lack of dv and when i first bought my oled it wasn’t for dv at all!!
I wonder if the dimmer Dolby vision would be attributed to the fact that that specific tv isn’t as good at handling Dolby vision as say a lg c9. For example the Sony a9g handling of Dolby vision is dim and bad when compared to lg c9.
In all honesty the difference is fairly minimal and without having them side by side you would most likely be hard pressed to notice the difference....that being said, Dolby Vision is superior and I would choose it over HDR10 given the chance.
Tha_VillaMan Gotcha! Might be unfair but would still be interesting as to see if people without DV is missing something as most people would have it enabled.
I hope as time goes by hdr becomes more standard and more user friendly. Currently it feels like the way it’s used and how it’s implemented can vary a lot. With hdr content I sometimes wish there was some sort of reference image to compare with so I know it actually looks the same on my tv as what the creator intended.
It seems almost like it depends on the TV and the way the film is scanned and color is integrated. It isn't always one of the other and when one is better it is basically marginal.
How if LG doesn’t have HDR 10+ lol. He used the P series cause it does both . Good video . That’s like asking to do Samsung with Dolby vision . He did it right
I have a (65 Sony Z9D) with a first gen (Phillips HDR10 Player) and a (55 LG B7 OLED) with a (LG UP970) Dolby Vision and HDR10 Player) and I have to say I prefer the OLED when it comes to 4K Bluray Playback. Not only the better contrast Dolby Vision but also the more vibrant color when compared to the Sony. However the 3D Bluray Playback on the Z9D is to Die for, haha. I enjoyed your comparison video👍
@@anthonyzinna4936 aren't you concerned about Burn in.. I'm between a Samsung Q80R and LG C9.. I don't know what to get.. I'm primarily a gamer.. and me and my brother put in maybe 25-40 hours a week into gaming.. so I'm very concerned about burn in..
Many thanks for this demonstration. Splitting the screen is great and shows the minimalistic differences. Overall I would say whilst they can be different to each other, one is not better than the other. Being untechnically minded when it comes to tellies, it looks to me as though if the brightness was turneded down slightly on the HDR or up on the DV they would both look even more similar. Overall though I would be quite happy with either.
Hey guys, I just got ub820 and I don't know why hdr pops more in colors than in DV and DV also looks a bit washed out and not as bright... I thought DV is supposed to be superior??
hdr10 will appear brighter overall than dolby vision. Certain shows on netflix or disney+ that are dolby vision will appear dimmer than hdr10 or non-hdr. However, youll see more detail, more clarity and the image will look more realistic on DV. Thats the point of DV. Its also meant to be watched in a pitch black room.
@@ewcho8995 thanks!! It also makes a difference if you have a premium TV like Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, etc to show true DV than on a cheap TV like TCL, ETC right?
Thanks for the comparison! I'm beginning to build a small collection of my favorite movies and TV shows on disc and only have my PS5 to play it on. The forums explained the PS5 doesn't support DV and your video showed me the difference between them. I can happily say the difference is so minimal I don't care, and that in most scenes I even prefer the HDR10 version anyway! Also saw your video on the PS5 vs a dedicated player and the PS5 was a great performer with minimal difference there too. I'm happy I got the disc version of the PS5 even more now! What a great secondary feature for the console.
I would say that it probably depends on the quality of the display. For example, even though the top of the line Samsung Q90R doesn’t have Dolby Vision, I’m pretty sure it’s HDR processing power is so good that it will still look better than a lower budget TV that does have Dolby Vision. I would say that DV has a bigger impact on low to mid-range budget TVs rather than top of the line TV’s (such as the Q90R) that don’t support it.
I would like to purchase the color shirt you are wearing in the video HDR10 vs Dolby Vision HDR. After looking in your merch store I cannot find the color shirt you have in the video. Is the shirt and color you are wearing in the video available? Thank you Villa Man.
Easy left hdr10 because its brighter. I use DV cinema home on my OLED with AI enhancement looks better. Though HDR10 is good on daylight bright settings
@Snake Plissken looks like i found the answer the DV is actually bright its just focused on the contrast and its dynamic i think its the way it was created by coloring so meaning evey movie are depending on the colorist on dv implementation
Just got Dolby vision on my series X and went looking for some explanations and stumbled on your channel. Thank you for making the video for but for people like me who aren't you aren't as knowledgeable about this kind of stuff. You got a new subscriber
Villaman, what an awesome video! Great editing, awesome music selection, beautiful side-by-side video comparison, just an all around wonderful presentation!!
Literally just bought a new UHD Player that supports Dolby Vision. I was being sold that it looks better, with way more color accuracy, but that seems to translate to being dull, and dim. I hate the quality of movies in movie theaters and prefer brighter colors and luminance. So gonna return this new UHD player and stick with my HDR only player.
I think it's all down to the settings... If I run Netflix thru my OneX Dolby Vision becomes a permanent option in the tv settings and I tweaked them to look amazing... Where if I just use the TVs built in Netflix I'm constantly having to switch between HDR/DV to find a setting that doesn't wash detail away or leech color... Also, if you watch a movie thru Amazon Prime it gets a filter applied to it that proper dulls the picture so yet again, I headed to settings and made a few adjustments to bring it up to acceptable to my eyes
In all honesty, I am surprised to see that in most situations, HDR10 is pretty even with Dolby Vision. I think people have a tendency to lean in favor of Dolby Vision because everyone has told them it is superior. I don't think there will be a noticeable difference until we actually get 12 bit panels capable of taking advantage of Dolby Vision. As it stands today, it's pretty even to me.
Hey mate, your HDR stream is not available yet. I'm only seeing the 4K badge. I can view the HDR content and the HDR badge on other videos elsewhere on UA-cam.
@@ThaVillaMan Haha, Edge browser is not HLG compatible, yet Chrome is! I did not know there was a difference. I usually browse the web in Chrome and simultaneously watch UA-cam in Edge with a pinned floating window. Cheers =)
The only time I saw a huge difference was with the fire so with that conclusion i dont see why I was so worried about Dolby Vision in video games coming to xbox series x games. I think I can live with it to be honest.
When you tested Dolby vision did you look at if there was any smoothing done in the settings? I know hdr10 has a different picture mode compared to Dolby vision so maybe your normal hdr10 picture settings don’t have the same settings as the Dolby vision?
I personally am going for a qled with hdr10+ as I am to worried about burn in with an oled. I use my tv a lot it would be on my mind constantly I also prefer brighter colours which helps. I don’t mind loosing abit of clarity n ports to avoid burn in.
I watched a Dolby vision video and the tech guy in the studio said that Dolby vision is about content creation and how the content creator Invision what they were creating. So in a nut shell its supposed to be more pure for the customer TVs that support Dolby vision.
One video which I have not seen yet would be comparing audio/visuals streaming content vs Blu-Ray content, I love your channel and I know you would be the perfect candidate to do the research into this field you're quite thorough and you're always able to put your point across articulately,! go on, I dare you to be 'unique'.
Hdr is confusing ile stick to SRGB because the technology to do true hdr is not even here yet not gonna lie seems like everyone is popping there cherry's with technology that can't display true dynamic hdr yet it seems the Sony knows hdr needs to be brighter over 4000nits to 10000nits yet no tvs come close sorry but the fact is what I am saying is true since oled can't display hdr without burn ijnso that technology is gonna be dead in the water could you imagine how long the screen would last if it managed 2000nits not great is it still no where near 4000nits or 10000nits nits range lol for sdr well depending how dark your room is you only need like 100nits in dark room while bright room mat need 600nits or 1000nits is a well lit room yet if hdr can't be displayed properly then wtf is the point of it
I recently purchased the LG C1 and because of Dolby Vision I'm seriously considering returning it. Is there a way to disable Dolby? If not, do you know of better settings?
So far both my wife and I prefer Dolby Vision. Movies like John Wick 1-3, Avengers Endgame, The Greatest Showman, they all look noticeably better to us in DV over HDR10.
I think the picture at DV looks a bit more cold and has more "green" in the picture. I think a lot of people would say, that they like the warmer picture more. It is the same with good sound. Some people say that the sound seems so dry and cold. Than I say "Yes, that is actually the point. Do you want to see and hear how the world really is or not?" 😜
Hey there, love the DV as well. I own the LG C9, it makes everything pop. I stream things a lot from netflix and apple TV and most of their movies are encoded in dolby vision. It must mean something. I thin it's because when you strem stuff you don't necessarily get full flow of data you would owning the disc. The stream data are slightly compressed and the DV makes the image appear a bit better faking the real deal. Anyways, the show lost in space on netflix in DV and DA sound is great. I'm all for DV. THX for your videos
I know this is an older video but have a question...If your TV (XR77A80J in my case) cannot get over 1000 nits, what would be the point in using Dolby Vision at all if HDR10 can go up to 1000 nits without variable brightness?
Thats a major plus for dolby vision, it can map the brightness correctly to your TV's capabilities whereas HDR10 will be static and could have clipping because it will have a set value throughout the film. Things like sunlight might be completely blown out on an OLED using HDR10, where using Dolby vision it will be far more accurate to what it's supposed to look like.
Hi. Did you use static HDR tone mapping or dynamic/active tone mapping? My Samsung TV is supposed to be very accurate in tone mapping (with static mode) according to Rtings but I rarely see very bright content, it's like it isn't HDR at all, more like SDR to me :) But active tone mapping makes everything much brighter, including darker scenes which probably shouldn't be that bright :)
For everyone saying I should have compared HDR10+ vs Dolby Vision... Well, that comparison is in the making!
Here it is! ua-cam.com/video/S3FJHIY0ag8/v-deo.html
I just bought Vizio m65 8g-1 from Best Buy what settings do recommend to calibrate my tv 📺
Which TV did you use to reproduce HDR10 and Dolby Vision? Do you know of a TV that can do HDR10+ and Dolby Vision?
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"A merry Christmas too all 🎅🌲💜
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@@JilesMcCoy: _"Do you know of a TV that can do HDR10+ and Dolby Vision?"_
- Some Panasonic and Vizio TV models: rtings.com/tv/learn/hdr10-vs-dolby-vision
@@JilesMcCoy the vizio PX P AND M SERIES 4K HDR TVS FROM 2018 TO 2020 SUPPORT DOLBY VISION HDR10+ AND HDR10
I think it really also comes down to how good implementation of the HDR source material is.
Right now the metadata for hdr is kinda wrong i think hdr is being pushed too Soon but if peaple don't calibrate there tgs then thye won't see the difference if you been to the cinemas and then turn on your TV and go shit why does my colours look over saturated and crap hdr is kinda in the ballpark of overblown highlights and everything so ile be sticking to ULTRA HD SRGB rec709 for a long time till hdr can put its foot where it needs to be hdr is more complicated since nobody knows what hdr should be at this time we are just guessing Rec709 already has a standard but hdr has multiple standard's so basically dolby vision is the best because its what Sony and cinemas are likely to use so why not stick 5i dolby vision oh wait hiw many games use dolby vision none they only support hdr 10 which is just as whacko I give hdr 20 years to look correct maybe when microled comes out and have 10000nits monitors and tvs to show what hdr truly means yet none of you will know what true hdr feels or looks like all I hear is peaple popping there Cherry's at 1000nits like wtf what Sony shown with there 10000nits big screen is why I am put off hdr right now but even at 10000nits it needs oled like black levels yet thats why microled is the future of display technology pretty much tge breaking point of displays I don't think you can make a display better than grabbing the simple led and making it nano small by the billions onto a display assembly but microled has a long way to go so why mess with hdr when it's realy just a scam at this point yet resolution will increase regardless 8k microled tvs anyone yea exactly 8k 10000nits panels not gonna lie I give up trying to chase that dream ti have games look amazing at 10000nits true dynamic hdr but guess what its never gonna happen for years to come
@@jonathanoxlade4252 Do you know how to use punctuations? I’ll take your replies seriously when you utilize them.
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I bought my first 4k TV on black Friday and it only has HDR10, Im very happy with it, but the more I learned about 4k, the more I was feeling bummed out about not buying one with Dolby Vision. This Washington a huge relief. The difference between SDR and HDR can be huge, I'm actually kinda glad the difference between hdr10 and Dolby Vision isn't that big yet.
i have a sony tv with dolby vision, and i can say you are not missing much by not having it
there is a big difference actually
@@AppIeOfficialnah, none that must cause you a FOMO at least. It's nice to have it, but okay to not have it
Most of the comparisons between HDR10 and Dolby Vision isn't quite the big thing some people make it out to be. There are many variables that come into play, the quality of the source, the type of panel etc. Also, There is next to no difference between HDR10 Plus and Dolby Vision to the next eye. The question you should ask yourself, are you happy with what you've got. I've got the Samsung S95C 77" and I love it, my friend got the LG G4 77" and it's also amazing. Don't get pulled into the hype.
HDR10 is more "HDR" than Dolby Vision (feel more shiny to my eyes?)
But Dolby Vision is the one that provides more contrast isn't it?
@@DarkKnight-gi5vd that’s the way I also saw it.
@@DarkKnight-gi5vd mehhh…you can just turn the tv off and look at the dark display, that’ll give you even better contrast.
@@techbuddy5305 that's not a contrast.... That's just black.
Look at fire screen in ready player one fire looks more realistic on Dolby vision that point in the dynamic hdr it makes stuff looj real compared to regular hdr
5:25, This effect can be seen if the camera takes a photo when the TV switched to the next image resulting in half of the exposure taken from the prev frame and half of the new frame. Because you are doing a video and you are shooting 24p, the same framerate as the movie, each frame will be taken in between the frames of what the TV is showing. Like two out of sync clocks :)
Dolby Vision + OLED = 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
PHXNTXM truly. The Mandalorian or any other space movies look beyond awesome
@@markgarcia8253 I did not find the Mandalorian DV presentation that impressive.
Seriously tho....I find myself watching much less network television programming (thru dish network) and instead watching netflix, amazon prime, disney plus, hulu, hbo now (soon to be hbo max) for the better quality 4k hdr content . I still watch a ton of sports on network tv, but the shows I now gravitate to are on the platforms that offer the best picture quality, hdr, and dolby atmos.
I am looking forward to over the air 4k hdr broadcast with a tuner in 2020 though, as I live in an area that is early adopting the new ATSC 3.0 format, so that will be great.
InconvenientlyPlacedTroll : Don’t hold your breath. These big network providers aren’t even at 1080p (standard is 720p/1080i) as tv and satellite bandwidth and network are old and limited. The investment to upgrade the industry to 4K is pointless as people are cutting the cord regardless.
Dolby vision +OLED = burn in guaranteed
The public got duped with Dolby vision, thanks to marketing. You Don't have a 12 bit panel or content incoded with 12 bit., you ain't seeing Dolby vision.
This was the best explanation and review of this technology. I loved the tv comparisons and you making it super clear to understand. So much better than the big tech reviewers and their overly tech plantations and graphs that really doesn’t translate to real world avg consumer understanding. Awesome work, please keep it up! Looking forward to your channel prospering!
Great video mate... personally I think it really comes down to personal preference... and for me, the HDR10 is a winner over dolby because it seems to have a more vibrant look than the duller version of the dolby.... but that's just me, some people like the darker versions... once again, personal preference...
Mate, you are cruelly wrong. HDR is more darker than DV. In generally, DV have a dynamic range metadate in every frame but HDR have only a one metadate for whole video
@@olddante2898 that may be the case, but I can only go by the video I'm watching.. and in this video the dolby version is alot duller and not as vibrant... so if what you say is true, than obviously this video the bloke has put out is a false misinterpretation of Dolby... watch the video, I'm sure you'll agree...
@@johnfarnhamexperience I think the truth is on your side. Maybe my LG OLED shows DV in approriate way than this guy's TV. Or he mixed them up
With HDR10, the content's “metadata” is static so one set of values are established for a whole piece of content, like an entire movie in your example.
DV and HDR10+ have dynamic metadata that allows each frame to be different. So every frame is treated to its own set of colors, brightness, and contrast parameters making for a much more realistic-looking image. Areas of the screen that might have been over-saturated under HDR10, like in your example, should be able to display their full details with HDR10+, but forget all of that. DV is the best HDR format for now and that's just the way it is.
P.s. Love your videos. Keep up the great work.
that's not the way it is.
@@poluticonthen explain or stfu lol
@@poluticonwell if it’s not maybe correct it?
@@rob5129 I will.
I've been a television producer for over 30 years and I've got to tell you Dolby vision can be nice but it also has a lot of issues and is fairly overhyped. One of the biggest issues is that very often Dolby vision movies end up crushing some of the black levels into invisibility. I compared the scene in Dune where you see the inside of the sand worms mouth on HDR 10 versus Dolby vision with absolutely no other adjustments changed on my OLED television set and on the Dolby vision version the inside of the mouth is almost invisible, whereas with the HDR 10 you can still clearly see all the details without looking overly bright. And I've seen this time and time again where people have said they have issues with Dolby vision both looking slightly duller and too dark. I then tried playing the exact same Dolby vision movie through my oppo 203 both with Dolby vision and Dolby vision disabled and asked people to pick which one they liked better and every single person preferred the image with the Dolby vision off.
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THIS IS THE BEST HDR DV COMPARISON, with interesting music. Thanks!
In the scene from Ready Player One with the fire, the fire seemed to have more detail in Dolby Vision than it did in HDR10. There was more shades of color, instead of it mostly being the same.
Hahaha no way I'm watching this on my note 10 plus in hdr and the dolby vision is no better than hdr 10 in fire detail
Henry there’s more apparent detail due to contrast in the bright areas I guess
Its due to higher brightness in hdr10 which camera overexposed. Go see 4:08 where DV has higher brightness and so camera overexposes and looks like detail loss.
@@HenryTheBoilermaker3rdYear There is more detail in dolby vision, looks more vibrant in HDR10 because it's oversaturated.
All of your comparision videos are a true gamechanger. Beside this fact the quality of your UA-cam Videos in HDR is outstanding. Thank you so much for your work!
Glad to hear you think so. Thank you!
Nice thanks man, love how relaxed you are talking about this stuff. Keep it going!
Real world person here. Just visited a store to check out this difference. Final conclusion, the biggest upgrade buy an enormous Factor is resolution. I wasn't able to discern the jump from 4K to 8K, but the jump from 1080p to 4K is relevant. And sent all 4K televisions come with some version of improved color, you basically can't go wrong unless you choose Edge lighting. You could get away with a $700 TV and experienced 98% of the benefits of the newest TVs.
To my eyes, Dolby Vision seemed more of an accurate representation of how I would interpret HDR. HDR10 looks more vibrant to my eyes, and in some scenes, looked great, but in others seemed like it made some shots overblown. Like you said about the ghosting: I’ve seen more ghosting on HDR10 than on Vision.
Both are fantastic, but to MY EYES, I prefer Dolby Vision. That’s the beauty of choice though!
camera cant capture true hdr. it will only convert to sdr with 8bit colors just buy a hdr10 tv with dolby vision and you can compare it from there.
As I have an LG C8 & run Amazon & Netflix, I can see HDR & DV on a daily basis. HDR looks good but oversaturated and unnatural, DV always looks great. Stranger Things & The Witcher are so great to watch, never regretted buying an LG OLED because of the great DV support!
I still have my LG C8 OLED TV - it’s been great!
Dolby Vision maybe better blacks but you can adjust the blacks on hdr10 with some equipment
HDR10 and DV can be graded to 10k nits, both of them use the same EOTF PQ developed by Dolby. DV although encoded at 10 bits, the extra 2 bits exist within DV metadata.
I didn't see higher nits in the HDR10 playback of Ready Player One, you are just seeing DV doing a better job of maintaining the detail within the flame with its dynamic metadata and dynamic tone mapping.
Many comparisons point to DV having better primary color saturation, 12 bit reduces posterization (its when you can see pixels in a saturated solid color) and color banding (bands of color at different levels of saturation).
The scenes where HDR10 had higher peak brightness also came with a loss of detail and saturation in the bright areas.
I noticed that too. Maybe that's corrected with HDR10+?
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@@bobby1970 it is, but hardly anything supports it as pretty much only Samsung use it.
@@Dreadpirateflappy wow, that's a shame.
this is one of the best side by side I have seen, good job! What I would like to see is same compare, but done using different HDR10/DV/HDR10+ processors to see which one performs each best.
DV on OLED TVs is the best !
OLED TV is the best... period!
Yes it is
OLED is nice but I’ll wait until they improve screen retention issues. (Waiting for the “they don’t have the issues comment) I’ve seen they do, and with 70% of our viewing kids programs and still images or bars on screen, I’d have screen retention in no time. Went with a QLED for now.
Michael Holly Lol 😂! I have lg c9 ! And there’s an option to dim the logos and watermark...oled is the best! Qled is trash ! Just another expensive LCD
@@michaelholly88 got c7 an I left my tv on over night quite a bit of times. Been very lucky with the screen not one burn.
yeah, the performance between the two is very similar. Having DV is not the end all be all.
As someone who just transitioned to a Dolby Vision TV from an HDR10 tv....I am blown away at the clarity and accuracy of Dolby Vision, whereas HDR10 was simply very good.
It's honestly not that big of a leap though because no TVs can even support the full DV color range. HDR10 looks VERY similar in cases i've personally seen in person. You think your higher quality TV in general could be part of it? There's some damn good looking HDR10 sets.
Also HDR nor Dolby Vision is not very accurate. There is no standard even now 3 years after this video. SDR will always be more accurate and calibrating HDR is a do the best you can endeavor. I prefer SDR on my OLED. Much more reliable format. It always looks great.
@Erok5
So you completely changed your TV, the screen and all, but you think that the dolby vision is the SOLE factor for a better hdr IQ ?
@@tac6044 I feel like 90% of people that scream that HDR looks so much better than SDR just go by the default picture modes on their TV's. Like "OMG everything is so vivid in HDR!" when in actuality it's because the HDR mode is boosting the contrast unrealistically. Can there be a difference between a good mastered HDR source and SDR, of course. But to often HDR is slapped on without much care causing an optimized picture (especially in gaming). SDR is just easier, stable and can look fantastic. There really isn't a massive difference but TV manufactures needed something to sell. Just like 8K, something we really don't need but they need something new to sell.
@@JL9266DV makes the movies look dull and dark..
Awesome video! Dolby vision looks slightly better in dark scenes.
I like the HDR10. I don’t like movies that look like they’re shot in the dark.
Love you're tshirt 😍 thanks for this vidéo and Merry Christmas all !
Great video. I’d say if the TV is able to accurately display an extreme depth of brightness/ darkness (like the LG C9 OLED I have), Dolby Vision is the way to go. If it’s an LED/LCD- since everything gets blasted by a giant backlight, I don’t think there would be much of a difference between the two formats.
I tested my friend Q80 and totally hated, PS4 Pro with HDR ON or OFF it barely does anything, it has very poor native contrast...
@ it didn't matter the calibration because nothing can fix the poor native Q80 and Q90 contrast... About their colours out of the box it didn't bothered much, red, blue, green and specially yellow all looked fine o my naked eyes... Q80 and Q90 2019 simply reduced color volume and lost most of its native contrast and even a bit of definition because of the new Samsung wide viewing angle layer which I don't care as my TVs are always private for me only and Im always directly in front...
How does that make you feel?
Oleds only hit 600 nits ,so don't get to excited.
The old saying is if the roots no good, the fruits no good. Dolby vision has a long way to go.
I have two TV Shootout Winners. The 2016 LG G6 OLED. And the Sony Z9D. On both these my TV's... Dolby Vision(OLED) wins by a large margin in many ways. I compared many many 4K DV Disc movies played from my OPPO 203 disc player. With my OPPO I can force HDR10 when playing a DV movie disc.
Larry Wong Can’t agree more since i am doing also tests and i am really surprised how people can find dv to be « a bit » more better.
Have tried so many videos and dv is waaay better.
Larry Wong
you should make a video like this so we can see it. I’m thinking of getting the C9 myself
Michael LaMartina I used to have ks8000/q8fn/q9fn and then lg oled, dv is superior by far.
Bassem Rabeh I’m not saying it isn’t. I’m saying in this video it wasn’t far superior. I’m thinking of getting a C9 so I would like to see a video of it far superior so when I make my decision I know what I’m getting.
Michael LaMartina There is no way to see it on a youtube video (see it to the point to make a decision).
I sold all my leds for the oled mainly because of the lack of dv and when i first bought my oled it wasn’t for dv at all!!
I wonder if the dimmer Dolby vision would be attributed to the fact that that specific tv isn’t as good at handling Dolby vision as say a lg c9. For example the Sony a9g handling of Dolby vision is dim and bad when compared to lg c9.
My Lg C9 has the DV chip on board vs the A9G software solution which makes the DV dimmer according to expert reviews like hdvtest and some others.
Not only that..the scenes are not equal in brightness in the film, show the exact same content side by side, then it's a true comparison!!!!
@@kaamilarshad5249 I was surprised he went with the Vizio as well. C9 is the benchmark.
wow. Perfect Format, Excellent comparison format. No questions were left unanswered. Thank you for an informative video.
In all honesty the difference is fairly minimal and without having them side by side you would most likely be hard pressed to notice the difference....that being said, Dolby Vision is superior and I would choose it over HDR10 given the chance.
Did you turn off HDR optimizer when running HDR10? If so would assume the result would be even more similar if it was on, brightness wise.
There was no enhancement enabled, because that would make the comparison unfair
Tha_VillaMan Gotcha! Might be unfair but would still be interesting as to see if people without DV is missing something as most people would have it enabled.
I think Dolby Vision is much better better on my LG C9 when the picture setting is on vivid, otherwise dark shots are overly dark.
Vivid the best, life colours...
Vivid is the least accurate and most over saturated profile.
@@drummerdude100 Standard in Dolby Vision looks dark and drab compared to vivid.
paker51 you’re meant to watch in the dark with those profiles
@@drummerdude100 not without detail. When the scene is so dark to see what's going on you lose the story.
I hope as time goes by hdr becomes more standard and more user friendly. Currently it feels like the way it’s used and how it’s implemented can vary a lot. With hdr content I sometimes wish there was some sort of reference image to compare with so I know it actually looks the same on my tv as what the creator intended.
3 years later and nothing has changed!
@@tac6044 yep
It seems almost like it depends on the TV and the way the film is scanned and color is integrated. It isn't always one of the other and when one is better it is basically marginal.
Tis true
Love the shirt!
This is great video but wished it was done on an LG OLED. LG, IMO has the best DV implementation in the market.
It might have the highest nit brightness, but it also has the worst motion .
How if LG doesn’t have HDR 10+ lol. He used the P series cause it does both . Good video . That’s like asking to do Samsung with Dolby vision . He did it right
I would’ve like to have seen this comparison on a C9 as opposed to an LED tv. Great video though.
I have a (65 Sony Z9D) with a first gen (Phillips HDR10 Player) and a (55 LG B7 OLED) with a (LG UP970) Dolby Vision and HDR10 Player) and I have to say I prefer the OLED when it comes to 4K Bluray Playback. Not only the better contrast Dolby Vision but also the more vibrant color when compared to the Sony. However the 3D Bluray Playback on the Z9D is to Die for, haha. I enjoyed your comparison video👍
Which you prefer for.gaming?
@@sa1sa624 The Z9D kills the OLED on brightness and shadow detail. Motion handling is much better OLED than Z9D.
@@sa1sa624 I use the OLED for gaming. Z has a bit too slow pixel response for most games. OLED is superior in that regard.
@@jkairi4 Panasonic GZ2000 OLED changes the game.. Reaches 1000nits, and shadow detail is rated the best. And motion is superb.
@@anthonyzinna4936 aren't you concerned about Burn in.. I'm between a Samsung Q80R and LG C9.. I don't know what to get.. I'm primarily a gamer.. and me and my brother put in maybe 25-40 hours a week into gaming.. so I'm very concerned about burn in..
Many thanks for this demonstration.
Splitting the screen is great and shows the minimalistic differences.
Overall I would say whilst they can be different to each other, one is not better than the other.
Being untechnically minded when it comes to tellies, it looks to me as though if the brightness was turneded down slightly on the HDR or up on the DV they would both look even more similar.
Overall though I would be quite happy with either.
Hey guys, I just got ub820 and I don't know why hdr pops more in colors than in DV and DV also looks a bit washed out and not as bright... I thought DV is supposed to be superior??
hdr10 will appear brighter overall than dolby vision. Certain shows on netflix or disney+ that are dolby vision will appear dimmer than hdr10 or non-hdr. However, youll see more detail, more clarity and the image will look more realistic on DV. Thats the point of DV. Its also meant to be watched in a pitch black room.
@@ewcho8995 thanks!!
It also makes a difference if you have a premium TV like Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, etc to show true DV than on a cheap TV like TCL, ETC right?
What TV are you using??
therealhard8times the Vizio P Series Quantum X
@@ThaVillaMan Thanks but I think a LG OLED would have been better for this test Vizio is and will always be a cheap brand
@@therealhard8times Yeah totally agree.
Thanks for the comparison! I'm beginning to build a small collection of my favorite movies and TV shows on disc and only have my PS5 to play it on. The forums explained the PS5 doesn't support DV and your video showed me the difference between them. I can happily say the difference is so minimal I don't care, and that in most scenes I even prefer the HDR10 version anyway! Also saw your video on the PS5 vs a dedicated player and the PS5 was a great performer with minimal difference there too. I'm happy I got the disc version of the PS5 even more now! What a great secondary feature for the console.
Can you choose between watch a movie in hdr10 or dolby vision? Can you switch between the two?
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I would say that it probably depends on the quality of the display. For example, even though the top of the line Samsung Q90R doesn’t have Dolby Vision, I’m pretty sure it’s HDR processing power is so good that it will still look better than a lower budget TV that does have Dolby Vision. I would say that DV has a bigger impact on low to mid-range budget TVs rather than top of the line TV’s (such as the Q90R) that don’t support it.
Excellent video. Next HDR10 plus vs Dolby Vision.
I would like to purchase the color shirt you are wearing in the video HDR10 vs Dolby Vision HDR. After looking in your merch store I cannot find the color shirt you have in the video. Is the shirt and color you are wearing in the video available? Thank you Villa Man.
Easy left hdr10 because its brighter. I use DV cinema home on my OLED with AI enhancement looks better. Though HDR10 is good on daylight bright settings
@Snake Plissken looks like i found the answer the DV is actually bright its just focused on the contrast and its dynamic i think its the way it was created by coloring so meaning evey movie are depending on the colorist on dv implementation
Just got Dolby vision on my series X and went looking for some explanations and stumbled on your channel. Thank you for making the video for but for people like me who aren't you aren't as knowledgeable about this kind of stuff. You got a new subscriber
Villaman, what an awesome video! Great editing, awesome music selection, beautiful side-by-side video comparison, just an all around wonderful presentation!!
Literally just bought a new UHD Player that supports Dolby Vision. I was being sold that it looks better, with way more color accuracy, but that seems to translate to being dull, and dim. I hate the quality of movies in movie theaters and prefer brighter colors and luminance. So gonna return this new UHD player and stick with my HDR only player.
What tvs are you running for this test?
What tv did u use?
Vizio P-Series Quantum X
How did you shoot & upload this in hdr? What camera /software?
I think it's all down to the settings... If I run Netflix thru my OneX Dolby Vision becomes a permanent option in the tv settings and I tweaked them to look amazing... Where if I just use the TVs built in Netflix I'm constantly having to switch between HDR/DV to find a setting that doesn't wash detail away or leech color... Also, if you watch a movie thru Amazon Prime it gets a filter applied to it that proper dulls the picture so yet again, I headed to settings and made a few adjustments to bring it up to acceptable to my eyes
Note detail in the fire on dolby for ready player one
In all honesty, I am surprised to see that in most situations, HDR10 is pretty even with Dolby Vision.
I think people have a tendency to lean in favor of Dolby Vision because everyone has told them it is superior.
I don't think there will be a noticeable difference until we actually get 12 bit panels capable of taking advantage of Dolby Vision. As it stands today, it's pretty even to me.
Quality content! Was confused on these terms.
Awesome comparison video...Thanks😊
Hey mate, your HDR stream is not available yet. I'm only seeing the 4K badge. I can view the HDR content and the HDR badge on other videos elsewhere on UA-cam.
I’ve checked and the HDR stream is up. Does your device support HLG?
@@ThaVillaMan Haha, Edge browser is not HLG compatible, yet Chrome is! I did not know there was a difference. I usually browse the web in Chrome and simultaneously watch UA-cam in Edge with a pinned floating window. Cheers =)
I think it comes down to the dynamic range color grading of the content itself and what specs a 4k has to begin with
Love these type of videos!
The only time I saw a huge difference was with the fire so with that conclusion i dont see why I was so worried about Dolby Vision in video games coming to xbox series x games. I think I can live with it to be honest.
There's virtually no difference in gaming.. Absolutely none! Very different than movies. Go watch Joelster video on DV vs hdr 10 on series X.
Have the oled working on the rest of the theater now any speakers leftover for sale
When you tested Dolby vision did you look at if there was any smoothing done in the settings? I know hdr10 has a different picture mode compared to Dolby vision so maybe your normal hdr10 picture settings don’t have the same settings as the Dolby vision?
I have a big question would you get a lg nano cell series 75 2021 addition or a Vizio mq7
what is the name of the film at the beginning of the video?
Ready Player One. A really great movie
@@ThaVillaMan Thx
The way 720p looks sharp on my hisense u7a it is hard for me to notice the difference.
I personally am going for a qled with hdr10+ as I am to worried about burn in with an oled. I use my tv a lot it would be on my mind constantly I also prefer brighter colours which helps. I don’t mind loosing abit of clarity n ports to avoid burn in.
How is it possible to compare both in a video that has to be one or the other?
All DV discs have an HDR10 version too
Was the tv calibrated?
Really great content! Thanks!
I just purchased Samsung's 85in QN90a and that TV not supporting Dolby Vision was my only concern. Thank you for the great comparison video!
I watched a Dolby vision video and the tech guy in the studio said that Dolby vision is about content creation and how the content creator Invision what they were creating. So in a nut shell its supposed to be more pure for the customer TVs that support Dolby vision.
In the fire frame of Ready player one, the Hdr10 is blowing up the highlights that's why it looks brighter!!!
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jeeez I didn't know Luke Cage reviewed tvs haha 😂😂😂. good video man. I really enjoyed it. I subbed!
You do great reviews, keep it up
Thank you, I appreciate that!
Very helpful; thank you!
One video which I have not seen yet would be comparing audio/visuals streaming content vs Blu-Ray content, I love your channel and I know you would be the perfect candidate to do the research into this field you're quite thorough and you're always able to put your point across articulately,! go on, I dare you to be 'unique'.
Excellent video - keep up the good work! I thought the differences would have been more apparent...
There is HDR is brighter while dolby vision is more on dimming side of contrast.
Yes I got it correct I prefer hdr10 over Dolby vision for the bright highlights
Hdr is confusing ile stick to SRGB because the technology to do true hdr is not even here yet not gonna lie seems like everyone is popping there cherry's with technology that can't display true dynamic hdr yet it seems the Sony knows hdr needs to be brighter over 4000nits to 10000nits yet no tvs come close sorry but the fact is what I am saying is true since oled can't display hdr without burn ijnso that technology is gonna be dead in the water could you imagine how long the screen would last if it managed 2000nits not great is it still no where near 4000nits or 10000nits nits range lol for sdr well depending how dark your room is you only need like 100nits in dark room while bright room mat need 600nits or 1000nits is a well lit room yet if hdr can't be displayed properly then wtf is the point of it
What about the games , which one I use
Dolby vision feels more accurate but dimmer I would prefer something in between
I recently purchased the LG C1 and because of Dolby Vision I'm seriously considering returning it. Is there a way to disable Dolby? If not, do you know of better settings?
So far both my wife and I prefer Dolby Vision. Movies like John Wick 1-3, Avengers Endgame, The Greatest Showman, they all look noticeably better to us in DV over HDR10.
I think the picture at DV looks a bit more cold and has more "green" in the picture. I think a lot of people would say, that they like the warmer picture more. It is the same with good sound. Some people say that the sound seems so dry and cold. Than I say "Yes, that is actually the point. Do you want to see and hear how the world really is or not?" 😜
I just happened to chance upon this video and your channel. You are really good. 👍
Hi when watching dolby vision should the oled light be on 50 or 100 on the lg c9 ?
Hey there, love the DV as well. I own the LG C9, it makes everything pop. I stream things a lot from netflix and apple TV and most of their movies are encoded in dolby vision. It must mean something. I thin it's because when you strem stuff you don't necessarily get full flow of data you would owning the disc. The stream data are slightly compressed and the DV makes the image appear a bit better faking the real deal. Anyways, the show lost in space on netflix in DV and DA sound is great. I'm all for DV. THX for your videos
How to upload HDR concent video on UA-cam?
Hii which music you had played on starting intro of your channel
I know this is an older video but have a question...If your TV (XR77A80J in my case) cannot get over 1000 nits, what would be the point in using Dolby Vision at all if HDR10 can go up to 1000 nits without variable brightness?
Thats a major plus for dolby vision, it can map the brightness correctly to your TV's capabilities whereas HDR10 will be static and could have clipping because it will have a set value throughout the film.
Things like sunlight might be completely blown out on an OLED using HDR10, where using Dolby vision it will be far more accurate to what it's supposed to look like.
Hi. Did you use static HDR tone mapping or dynamic/active tone mapping? My Samsung TV is supposed to be very accurate in tone mapping (with static mode) according to Rtings but I rarely see very bright content, it's like it isn't HDR at all, more like SDR to me :) But active tone mapping makes everything much brighter, including darker scenes which probably shouldn't be that bright :)
How are you switching between the two hdr formats? Is there a setting on the tv or the BD player? Excellent video btw
Dolby Vision is far superior hands down!
Really? Do the colors actually pop more in dolby vision compared to hdr10?