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I agree because the Michelin tires would not be able to hold up at very high speeds and efforts to reach to the F1 people who are in charge of the circuit could not be reached. Leaving 14 of the Michelin runners to not race and pull into the pits at the end of the formation lap. Only the Bridgestone runners Ferrari, Jordan and the uncompetitive Minardi teams ran the race of what is only a 6 car race for the Grand Prix on one o fr the most chaotic days in F1 history.
Shoutout to Michelin for actually doing something about the whole situation, which should have been the FiA's job - giving out refunds, tickets for the next year, etc.
Thats was great of them to do it. Of course they know that the driving public that went to the race would never buy there tires ever again for their cars. Still it was good of them, cause formula 1 is just to greedy to give people any kind of refund.
@@donnie6178 well, like you said, basically both are. But the Fia only has the one race to lose, in the US. Michellin had a lot more at stake, because without social media, people just talked about stuff. And when whole towns get to rabble, it is hard to ever buy again without thinking about said rabble. Now they will be able to say: at least michellin tried!! No wonder F1 left within years. People don't forget such crap ;) Would you?
As someone I know from Michelin at that time : better pay and lose money rather than getting someone killed during that race. Kudos to them to have this mentality!
Just gotta say huge props to Michelin throughout this whole thing. They were the ones initiating the compromises and then they ended up issuing the refunds. Way to step up for what should be the sanctioning body's job.
Part of it, yeah... but part of it they should have done their homework, even if it meant not getting near the testing that Bridgestone (via Firestone) got from the surface. It probably would have meant going into that weekend with a tire that wouldn’t be near as competitive, but considering how shitty Ferrari was that season, it’s not like having a rock hard tire that wouldn’t be able to keep up as well with the Bridgestones was going to cost one of those teams the championship, at least against Ferrari anyway. That’s not to say the FIA is blameless, but Michelin probably could have done more, or at least did some homework.
@@PYLrulz1984 You are right - although, in their favor, after realizing just how bad they screwed up, they did try to remedy the situation. I watched this race on TV and the commentators were totally stunned about the drive-out (calling this a walk-out just feels not right in this special case). The attempts of both tire producers and all the teams to still have a good show for the fans, even though the race as such was a bust, has to be held in everybody's favor as well. They would have driven, and the fans would have had a good show. In my opinion all blame lies with the FIA which blocked all those attempts.
@@PYLrulz1984 How exactly? They weren't allowed to test on the track and Bridgestone was only able to make a tire that would last due to data from Firestone's IndyCar program. Michelin had no reasonable way of knowing m.
I swear that the FIA have never actually watched any motorsports race ever. I mean how do you tell a race car driver of any kind to to slow down 20-30 MPH in a high speed corner. Plus, using one set of tires for an entire race, is probably the worst rule I have ever heard of. That is just putting a driver at more danger especially in an open wheel Formula 1 car
I mean, drivers going the full race without changing tyres was pretty common until the 90's, and it worked out pretty fine in 2005 for the most part as well, generally failures like Raikkonen's were due to driver error (flat spotting tyres is bad) and it was clarified that if you though the tyres were in an unsafe condition you could come in and change them. Hell, Sebastian Vettel completed all but 1 lap of the 2010 Italian GP on a set of Bridgestones softs, only completing a single lap on the hard compounds and that was only because the rules said he had to, it was absolutely no problem to complete an entire race on a single set of tyres with minimal wear and performance drop off.
Good point Andrew Carter, I guess it would be more common in a Formula series event considering that the races are much shorter in length compared to IndyCar, or NASCAR. I don't watch much of F1, so I don't have as much history based knowledge with that series, so I was comparing it more to other series thinking it would be more dangerous, then what other people might have thought.
Supposed to be the best drivers and most high technology race. Drivers and teams should be able to make a tire last. If they did not want to take the steps to make them last in order to run faster then they only have themselves to blame. They can make setup changes to make the tires last. You weekly WOO Sprint or Late Model teams run more laps and know how much they can push to make the tires last. WITHOUT all the technology and radio conversation.
Ricky Joe Johnson It’s not the job of the teams or the drivers to make the tires. Yes they can conserve them and make the tires last a lap or 2 more with suspension set ups but in the end it mostly comes down to the manufacturer of the tires to make sure they can take harsh loads.
I honestly feel bad for him. It was the only time in his career he got podium and nobody cared. He probably felt like he was Amazing but everyone’s reaction probably ruined him.
He still had to beat the other 3 drivers and the minardi drivers had a better car. The most stupid thing is that he has beaten his teamate. He held the record for the most races completed without a crashing. And even that was not enough cause you know, his team mate Indian kartikyen has given a lot of money to the team...
I was at this race, I don’t recall the police having an issue. We asked a state trooper on the way out if this was a problem, he said: ‘We get 400,000 people for Indy car and nascar. This is a small crowd and much better behaved even with all this going on.’ 😂
Spa 2021 isn't a contender, it's the new champion. At least with the 2005 US GP fans got to see racing in some form even if it was only 6 cars running around the track.
Spa 2021 was due to weather. Not really something you can do about it. USA 2005 was worse just because fia just was to stubborn to search an solution to the problem. There could be a race if they wanted to.
Spa 2021 was the first F1 race is was intending on watching from start to finish after not wanting to get up at 9am cuz I live in the US…what a “race” to start with.
I will always remember this race. My dad gave me the option of going to the USGP or the Nascar race in Michigan that weekend and I chose wrong. The only reason we stayed until the end was because our seats were right next to the podium and I knew I would get to see Schumacher.
Poor guy. Funny to realize that I was at home in front of my TV on the other side of the planet feeling sorry for you and all the other people there. That was really all I was thinking about. How angry and sad I would have been if I was there.
@@Dani-it5sy well, it sort of depends on his age and what he was there for. If he really was a big Schumi fan, then it would be an excellent occassion to meet the dude - since many others already left and Schumacher could use a distraction from said travesty. I figure his dad opted for this, trying to salvage the day an cushion the blow a bit. At any rate, it might be a good story now, but it must have been a complete let down back then. Expectations, especially those of kids are supposed to be met if they are realistic. Otherwise you ruin a hobby, sport, whatever, forever ;)
there were a lot of proposals from the teams and Michelin to solve the problem: a chicane, run turn 13 in double yellow flag (forcing all drivers to slow down), that all happened because Max Mosley said everything was illegal and stuff. also, just a little correction, Kimi Raikkonnen's tyre didn't blew on the last lap of the European Grand Prix, the flat spot on the tyre caused a lot of vibration and the suspension just didn't handle that, so the suspension failed because of the tyre, but the tyre was mostly intact. that caused a rule change that stated if your tyres are not on safe condition, you can come down pit lane and change them.
If you want to get really pedantic, the rules already said you could change a damaged tyre for safety reasons, but at the time nobody knew if a flat spotted tyre counted as a severe enough safety risk to fall under that rule. After Kimi showed us unequivocally that yes, it was, the FIA clarified things. But that's only if you want to get pedantic. ;)
That European GP was maddening to watch. Everybody was so anxious to see if Kimi could make it to the end of the race, and heartbroken when the suspension failed on the last lap. I can't believe the stewards didn't allow McLaren to change that one tire, given the visible flat spot and resulting vibration. Had Kimi been injured I think you would have seen a much louder outcry over the decision.
@@schumi246 How doe's it? It's clearly the FIA's fault. Michelin had ZERO way of foreseeing how their tires would do on track. On the other hand Bridgestone had a headsup as Bridgestone is European firestone and firestone had already ran tires at tye track in indycar. Bridgestone had an unfair advantage, if the fia allowed tires to be tested on a track by track basis Michelin wouldn't have had the problem they did. Then the FIA refused to put a chicane before the oval bit despite it being a good idea. The FIA also wouldn't allow pit stops to change tires. This is all on the FIA.
@@schumi246 And they knew about the track but they hadn't done testing on said track because they aren't actually allowed to. Bridgestone had through firestone. This meant that even Michies hardest compounds weren't up to scratch
@@ToxXxicYT so did Michelin. On the previous year their tires also had problems.... Additionally, after knowing about the issue, Michelin flew in other sets of tires that were also not good enough. I suggest you're the one that actually needs to what the video more carefully and pay attentions to the facts and not just the bias of the narrator
@@harry2788 The race got delayed several times due to poor weather conditions, then they drove 3 laps behind the safety car and FIA decided to call it and award half points
Small correction: Kimi's tire didn't blow. The high frequency vibration from the tire being flatspotted caused the suspension to fail. The onboard footage from the laps leading up to the failure is incredible, you can see the entire car shaking, and Kimi looks like he's holding onto a paint mixer.
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9:45 IIRC though Raikkonen would've been allowed to change his tyres then as it would be deemed safety critical, but he decided not to as the extra pit stop required would've cause him to be overtaken (by Alonso I think?)
One thing that was not mentioned however was the lack of a wish to compromise by the Bridgestone teams! The FIA, commonly known as Ferrari International Assistance, were just voicing what their proverbial bedfellows were behind closed doors!
I once spoke to the late Sid Watkins some years after this race and asked him what he would have done if the FIA had pulled all of its people from the circuit. He replied that he would have promptly resigned and offered his services as medical officer to the race which, apparently, the teams were okay with. Sid was not a man to be crossed with and backed drivers rather than the regulators
not the first instance of him saying he would resign due to interference in his work. The medical car with an anesthesiologist turning the first lap with the field and the helicopter on standby at the track were his conditions to stay after Ronnie Peterson's death in 78
Two bonus stories from this, the most f***ed up of races Minardi team owner Paul Stoddart said in an interview that he was considering also pulling out of the race, and if it was up to him, they would've, however sponsors forced his hand, because they could smell TV time. He also claimed that Jordan had agreed not to race, however when Jordan changed their minds, Stoddart felt he had to go racing. Imagine if only Ferrari had started the race... A bunch of drivers wanted to race. Red Bull driver David Coulthard said he almost 'forgot' to go into the pits, as he was that passionate about the race
Speaking of Paul Stoddart, if you want to see one of the most epic post-race interviews ever, look up his interview from this race (the not safe for US TV version)
Coulthard was recorded on the radio in the car telling the team that if they hadn't made up their mind yet, he wanted to race. So it was obviously very last minute. Also leaving the grid on the formation lap, Kimi Raikkonen turned off his launch control and lit up the rears leaving a big strip of rubber on his grid slot, which would've given him more grip off the real start had he taken it. He later suggested that he was thinking of forgetting to pull in as well. Both Red Bull & McLaren (along with at least one other Michelin team, I can't remember which one) felt their tire deg wasn't bad and could race, although Michelin had told them not to.
@@MasterofSpiders A former Toyota emgineer now working as a commentator in TV once said in a broadcast that as their car was on pole, the deal was pretty much that had they decided to head to the grid, everybody else would've likely done so too. But as they pulled into the pits, so did everybody else running Michelins.
Tiago may not be the name on top of most people's list of top F1 driver but for us who know, Tiago is a legend among legends and his name has it's own category and that makes him one of the GOAT's of F1.
I remember going to this race with my dad when I was younger, our seats were in turn 13. We watched all the cars drive into the pit lane and everyone was pissed. We left after about 10 laps because the colorful criticism of the race by other fans was apparently too much for my youthful ears.
3:11 aged surprisingly well considering what NASCAR wants to add for street courses. 😳 Seeing how Michelin actually knew how to use their brains/please the fans, unlike the FiA, makes me wanna get tires from them next time I need new ones for my car. Luckily my local Costco has them.
Love the content, Slap! I am mostly an F1 fan, but through some of your content, I've actually started to develop an interest for NASCAR. You make very compelling videos, and while I'm nt an absolute diehard, you've convinced me to start watching a few races here and there. Keep up the good stuff, you're class mate.
Most of the time I hate it when youtubers just talk over a patchwork of video clips but your video is very different from the others, maybe it's the way you speak or narrate the case but it makes for a compelling watch. i like it.
God I really hate Max Mosley for that 2005 regulation. I still do today.... That 2005 no tire change rule was the stupidest idea that ever came out from FIA. It was basically a rule that clearly tried to single-handedly break the unstoppable Ferrari + Bridgestone combo that came out fresh with Schumi winning 13 out 18 races in 2004. It was the absolute worst.... Kimi Raikkonen's suspension failure at Nurburgring due to his Michelin tires ripped apart to pieces should've been the signal to call off that rule immediately....
Tbf and I do agree with you that the rule was ridiculous but we also can’t sit here and say mclaren were completely innocent as they could’ve called him as they knew what would happen they just weren’t sure if kimi would finish before his suspension does.
@@KitKata0 The FIA putting rules down to effectively hamstring a dominant team never tends to work out well. For every 2009 season you've got something like this or 1994's electronics ban.
@Michael Kitchin I’m not saying those rules are ok. I agree they’re pretty much always disastrous I’m just saying kimi’s specific accident could’ve been avoided at that moment.
I was there; drove in from Minneapolis and picked-up a friend who flew in from CA. I was a big F1 fan since childhood and was so excited about finally having F1 in the states again, but this fiasco permanently soured me on F1. We left after the first couple of laps and I haven’t watched an F1 race since.
@@alcoyne3333333333333 Where did he imply that he wanted to see people die? I read his comment and he never said anything that would remotely imply that.
@@squiddysquidster802 I'm not really a Lewis fanboy, but I do see him as the Tiger Woods of racing. However, like what happened to Tiger, I think Hamilton's prime might be passing, albeit more slowly and more subtly.
A terrible race debacle,, but not as bad as following a Pace Car for a few laps and having F1 Declaring that a RACE, with the qualifying order counting as the finishing order and Awarding Points. Spa 2021 will live in infamy. Hell, NASCAR, NHRA, IndyCar etc, postpone races due to weather related track conditions and run them the next day or ASAP. While many of their fans can’t attend Monday races, they do all they can to put on a “real race,” which always get televised.
They were racing at Zandvoort the very next week. They even showed the team trucks the day after at the Neatherlands. We have 21 races. There's just no way they could reschedule that race. The calendar is way too tight for F1 logistics.
2:05 CORRECTION. Circuit Gilles Villeneuve (Île-Notre-Dame) was built initially for Expo 67 and repurposed for the rowing and canoeing events at the 76 Olympics before being re-repurposed as the racetrack and Casino location.
@MetalMastodon not to sound anti-capitalist, or any of that, and I'll admit I'm biased as an aspiring race driver myself with little finds to pursue my career yet, that removing and supplanting the elitism at the highest levels of racing would go a long way. Hard to say, considering how expensive the fastest series' vehicles are.
I was there in the grandstands near pit exit. I’ll never forget how quickly the attitude of the fans around me changed when the cars pulled into the pits on the formation lap.
Nicely put together short. Also, thank you for keeping the 4:3 frame for the older format. It really frustrates me when broadcasters or UA-cam media creators do the inverse of pan-scan of the old days (where widescreen gets zoomed in for 4:3) on 4:3 to fit 16:9.
11:37 I believe the threat of teams forming a new sanctioning body had already been floated. Many teams were sick of the FIA and/or the FOM at this point, as far as I remember. Teams were stuck with the FIA and the FOM for as long as the Concorde Agreement was in effect, though, which meant that the breakaway series threat only formally appeared (complete with press conference and logos) when Concorde was up for renewal a few years later.
At least they allowed Sportsman Series cars on the track so there was _something._ F1 didn't even put any F3000 cars in the field. EDIT: Or whatever the next closest thing they had was. If they _were_ running support events, that is.
true but different because bill france had to take the lower division cars and race the 500 instead of 3 fast cars, in this race there is no filler cars
Talladega 1969 was rushed beyond belief, the teams left days before and the tyre problem did eventually solve at the last minute. While in this race the teams and the organizers can't even decide whether they're going to race or not even hours before the race. All we had was a team that basically earning free win and 2 backmarkers having free points.
After dreaming a life long to one day watch a F1 live and gathering my hard earned savings I travel from Florida to Indy all excited and adrenaline pumping on that fateful and pitiful day of June 2005 only to witness this econopolitical disaster. Honestly after that I lost interest on F1, however i still have that ticket stub and some other cheap souvenirs from the historic track to comfort my utter disappointment.
Abdul Qadir Such a shame. After watching the Nascar Xfinity race on Saturday, it shows that the Indy road course can really provide great racing. I hope F1 will one day give Indy a chance but I know it’s slim.
@@Polaris0w0 I live in Indy the roads are shittier than Detroit's also I do hope they come back as Formula 1 is about challenging them through competition. Turn 13 is the challenge and looking at the stands people were packed as usual. I do hope that they come back.
Tbh I would be satisfied from being able to see Schumacher in his prime, even at the worst race ever, I heard that Ferrari roaring all the way the track. I would still pay the travel and ticket for that.
@@BigBlack81 Hillclimbs would be something. The craziest racing here in Germany. What would happen if you slapped crazy aero on a old opel Kadett, put a 700hp formula 1 V8 in it and went up a tight mountain road?
@@muhammadfarhan581 no bro, I didn't even realize that it's trendy to not like them. In January, I listened to them perform at the College Football Championship, and it was one of the most awful abominations I've ever heard. It sucked so bad that I honestly thought it was a joke. Turns out, they're just that bad. Every song they've had come on the radio sounds the same...and that sound is Terrible. I like your profile name btw. Donkey Teeth!
History repeated itself last night. Nothing says F1 like charging huge ticket prices. Offering as little racing as possible. Kicking fans out without refunds.
@@Sh0tgunJust1ce Nop, is closer to Milan than San Marino, it's common in F1 to do that to avoid the rule (1 country - 1 race) like last year with Italy (Monza) Toscana(Mugello) and Emilia Romagna (Imola)
Even if the rule was a thing mclaren said they would rather push for the win than pit and maybe get a podium. He couldn’t have pitted earlier has he flat spotted his tire over taking a back marker near the end of the race.
People keep saying that, but he was never close to winning it. Alonso also got his share of bad luck with the tyres in Monaco that year, losing P2 to both Williams. Kimi and McLaren lost because of their bad reliability. The impact of that race was anecdotic.
I remember watching the race on TV then I was 9. I turned it off after five laps since I knew it wasn't even worth watching. What an absolute embarrassment and grade A fiasco for F1
I remember Mika Salo commentating on Finnish broadcast, and all they ended doing whole race is talk random stuff. Mika Salo even told a story of somekind of surgery he had to go to after his F1 career ended. It was hilarious to listen to the commentators just talk about some random crap, and goofing around. Instead of commentating the race. Well "race", as let's face it. That was far from racing.
@@1989SupraGuyFIN a Dutch TV commentator (I think the same ones a today) got a team manager to speak whilst the race was going on and all he did was swearing live on TV. However the Dutch dont really care about that
I've never understood the folks that try and justify a "tire war" as somehow good for the sport in F1/MotoGP. They always ramble on about technology and what-not, but never bother to notice that no one cares about the tires--only about the drives/riders and manufacturers.
I remember seeing a forum post from back then from a guy who had gotten back from the USGP he said: "I've always said that I;d pay good money to just watch Michael Schumacher and any F1 Ferrari lap a track, and well I guess that I just did." It's a good attitude as a fan I say.
I still think 2005 was worse, spa 21’s failure was almost purely because of the weather and although it was massively frustrating there wasn’t much to do in that situation given that all drivers except max said that they had zero visibility. 2005 on the other hand was shit only because FIA and F1 fucked up big time and embarrassed themselves, things would have been better if they weren’t a bunch of incompetent morons
@@lunalunarluna I was at Spa ‘21. I’m only 19 so Indy 05 was before my time but from what it seems the difference is that Spa there wasn’t rly anything they could do it was constantly raining and zero vis whereas in Indy 05 a solution was proposed but they chose (well ferrari and fia anyway) not to use it.
@@Aviation-vn7ko yes that was exactly my point, I’m also 19 haha. And what a bummer it must have felt for you at Spa this year, I hope you can get at least part of your money back because there was no race at all at the end
@@lunalunarluna Yh I imagine the best case is they give some sort of discount for next years GP, unless F1 themselves agree compensation which is unlikely seeing as they allegedly fulfilled their contractual obligation of a ‘race’.
yes, they definitely have that wrong about being created for the Olympics. But to be accurate, the Gilles Villeneuve Circuit is on Ile Notre Dame, also part of the Expo '67 site. St. Helen's Island was expanded for the World's Fair, but Ile Notre Dame was totally created way back then. The rowing basin on Ile Notre Dame was created for the '76 Olympics.
I'm not an F1 fan at all. I enjoy stock car racing, drag racing, rally and some drifting However, I did find this fascinating. Would not be mad if more F1 content was put up like this. Thank You
YES SLAP! I love your content but this seems to be more interesting to me as I am an Australian ... maybe you could do a doco into The Australian Nascar and it's history/demise? Love your work man!
Max Mosely, who had the final say from the FIA, made a really fair point: "If you have a running race and one athlete doesn't bring their running spikes, you can't make the other runners remove theirs to make it fair. You simply can't punish the people who came with the correct equipment."
From a pure competition standpoint, you're correct. However that's not the case here. There were over a hundred-thousand people in the stands, and millions more at home. Running a racing series in the modern era is about balancing competition and entertainment. When there are so many people at the track, most who paid around or over $1,000 to be there, its unacceptable to run a 5-car "race". And especially so after so many compromises were attempted.
Yup should do NASCAR’s second worst race. The 2008 Brickyard 400. Or the Worst NASCAR race of the new millennium Edit: Thanks for all of the likes. This is the most ever likes I have ever had on a comment
I remember that well! I was working EMS at IMS and had to try and maneuver an ambulance through the, near riotous, crowd. Someone noticed that we were running Michelin tires and began to rock the ‘bus’ back and forth pretty aggressively! Fortunately, we didn’t have a patient on board. As an aside, I don’t think you close-out of including “insider info” is totally correct if you were referring to the Bridgestone/Firestone connection. There were huge amounts of Michelin personnel at everything from spring tire testing to the lead up race events, so they really weren’t behind the knowledge curve.
I think you should rename this video because the 2021 Belgian GP with two laps behind the safety car just eclipsed the 2005 US GP as the worst ever F1 race. When spectators are soaked in the grandstands to see a 2-lap race (where overtaking is not allowed because it's behind a safety car) cut short with delays, wait 3 additional hours only to receive the news that the race is then cancelled, but the 2-lap race meant the polesitter technically wins the race, and the drivers who qualified P2 and P3 make the podium by default, then that's a recipe for not just the worst F1 race, but probably the worst race in Motor Racing history.
There are a lot of bad F1 races in terms of disorganization and/or tragedy but this race is the moment F1 under Bernie went downhill. Also this was the last time Jordan stepped up on the podium so there's that
Great video, but lemme square some things away. -The FIA did not renew the contract with IMS, not the other way around. -Michelin had known about the diamond grading of the track, they still chose to go with a softer compound. -Michelin also was going to fly a load of harder compound tires in, but logistically it couldn't be done nor did the teams and the FIA like that idea. -The chicane in the final corner wasn't added because any changes to the track would nullify their insurance, which meant if anyone got hurt. The FIA would be solely responsible for it. Other than that I think you got everything right. Cheers.
Flying new set of tires was prohibited by the FIA. In their rulebook for the 2005 Formula One season it is stated "Any new tire compound that was not used in the Saturday qualifying session could result in penalizing the driver(s) using that said tire compound". Michelin's hands were tied - full tire changes were prohibited and couldn't fly new set of tires as this would violate the rule of using the tires from the qualifying.
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I agree because the Michelin tires would not be able to hold up at very high speeds and efforts to reach to the F1 people who are in charge of the circuit could not be reached.
Leaving 14 of the Michelin runners to not race and pull into the pits at the end of the formation lap.
Only the Bridgestone runners Ferrari, Jordan and the uncompetitive Minardi teams ran the race of what is only a 6 car race for the Grand Prix on one o fr the most chaotic days in F1 history.
This is great! I've been suggesting Nascar to SBNation forever. I just want an Untitled on Mark Martin.
Wait a minute: I thought Pirelli was F1's tire supplier.
You missed the gp in Las Vegas in the Circus Circus parking lot
Be careful when you use F1 footage, people always gets copyrighted easily
Shoutout to Michelin for actually doing something about the whole situation, which should have been the FiA's job - giving out refunds, tickets for the next year, etc.
@Lesevesel also the fact they were trying to compromise for the fans and drivers.
Thats was great of them to do it. Of course they know that the driving public that went to the race would never buy there tires ever again for their cars. Still it was good of them, cause formula 1 is just to greedy to give people any kind of refund.
@@donnie6178 well, like you said, basically both are. But the Fia only has the one race to lose, in the US. Michellin had a lot more at stake, because without social media, people just talked about stuff. And when whole towns get to rabble, it is hard to ever buy again without thinking about said rabble. Now they will be able to say: at least michellin tried!! No wonder F1 left within years. People don't forget such crap ;)
Would you?
As someone I know from Michelin at that time : better pay and lose money rather than getting someone killed during that race.
Kudos to them to have this mentality!
It was Michelin's responsibility due to failing several warnings from the FIA other manufacturers
F1: this is the worst day.
Tiago: 3rd place!! Best day ever!!! Let’s get hammered woooooo
and ferrari 1-2
Its Tiago. Thats as blasphemous as saying Riccardo
Not his fault. He should have celebrated as he did. FIA is the only one who should have been embarrassed.
Tiago*
@@uwotmatte7577 Tiago (contracted form used in the N.T.), Thiago (archaic spelling, still common in Brazil)
Tiago Monteiro is the living envodiment of the 3rd place meme celebrating
Wonder if that's where the idea for that image macro came from.
To his credit, he scored a point in an actual race later that year.
Tbf for us portuguese any excuse to eat and get wasted is a good excuse
Just gotta say huge props to Michelin throughout this whole thing. They were the ones initiating the compromises and then they ended up issuing the refunds. Way to step up for what should be the sanctioning body's job.
Part of it, yeah... but part of it they should have done their homework, even if it meant not getting near the testing that Bridgestone (via Firestone) got from the surface. It probably would have meant going into that weekend with a tire that wouldn’t be near as competitive, but considering how shitty Ferrari was that season, it’s not like having a rock hard tire that wouldn’t be able to keep up as well with the Bridgestones was going to cost one of those teams the championship, at least against Ferrari anyway.
That’s not to say the FIA is blameless, but Michelin probably could have done more, or at least did some homework.
@@PYLrulz1984 You are right - although, in their favor, after realizing just how bad they screwed up, they did try to remedy the situation. I watched this race on TV and the commentators were totally stunned about the drive-out (calling this a walk-out just feels not right in this special case).
The attempts of both tire producers and all the teams to still have a good show for the fans, even though the race as such was a bust, has to be held in everybody's favor as well. They would have driven, and the fans would have had a good show.
In my opinion all blame lies with the FIA which blocked all those attempts.
The ticket price is probably 1/100th of the total cost for an international fan to come to the race.
@@PYLrulz1984 How exactly? They weren't allowed to test on the track and Bridgestone was only able to make a tire that would last due to data from Firestone's IndyCar program. Michelin had no reasonable way of knowing m.
No shit lol, the FIA is a joke. F1 isn't worthy of IMS anyways.. we like real racing here.
I swear that the FIA have never actually watched any motorsports race ever. I mean how do you tell a race car driver of any kind to to slow down 20-30 MPH in a high speed corner. Plus, using one set of tires for an entire race, is probably the worst rule I have ever heard of. That is just putting a driver at more danger especially in an open wheel Formula 1 car
I mean, drivers going the full race without changing tyres was pretty common until the 90's, and it worked out pretty fine in 2005 for the most part as well, generally failures like Raikkonen's were due to driver error (flat spotting tyres is bad) and it was clarified that if you though the tyres were in an unsafe condition you could come in and change them. Hell, Sebastian Vettel completed all but 1 lap of the 2010 Italian GP on a set of Bridgestones softs, only completing a single lap on the hard compounds and that was only because the rules said he had to, it was absolutely no problem to complete an entire race on a single set of tyres with minimal wear and performance drop off.
Good point Andrew Carter, I guess it would be more common in a Formula series event considering that the races are much shorter in length compared to IndyCar, or NASCAR. I don't watch much of F1, so I don't have as much history based knowledge with that series, so I was comparing it more to other series thinking it would be more dangerous, then what other people might have thought.
Supposed to be the best drivers and most high technology race. Drivers and teams should be able to make a tire last. If they did not want to take the steps to make them last in order to run faster then they only have themselves to blame. They can make setup changes to make the tires last. You weekly WOO Sprint or Late Model teams run more laps and know how much they can push to make the tires last. WITHOUT all the technology and radio conversation.
Telling drivers to slow down kinda sounds like another man in 1969
Ricky Joe Johnson It’s not the job of the teams or the drivers to make the tires. Yes they can conserve them and make the tires last a lap or 2 more with suspension set ups but in the end it mostly comes down to the manufacturer of the tires to make sure they can take harsh loads.
Everyone but Monteiro: "THIS RACE IS BULLSHIT, I'M GOING HOME!" Monteiro: "I GOT THIRD PLACE, I GOT THIRD PLACE, PARTY TIME!!!!!"
I honestly feel bad for him. It was the only time in his career he got podium and nobody cared. He probably felt like he was Amazing but everyone’s reaction probably ruined him.
It's like the legendary bodybuilder Jason Genova once said "sometimes nobody else shows up and you win automatically"
@@babygravey As yes my favourite way to win, by default.
Monteiro is such a legend though, partying after the worst race in the history of F1 😂
I would if I knew that was the only podium I was ever going to get.
Being 3rd with the second slowest car is a big reason to celebrate even under this circumstances.
Why shouldn't he? The situation was in no way attributed to him. Ends up on a podium and his team happy - I'd have done the same.
It’s like celebrating when you’re running a foot race against two other guys who have crutches
He still had to beat the other 3 drivers and the minardi drivers had a better car. The most stupid thing is that he has beaten his teamate. He held the record for the most races completed without a crashing. And even that was not enough cause you know, his team mate Indian kartikyen has given a lot of money to the team...
I was at this race, I don’t recall the police having an issue. We asked a state trooper on the way out if this was a problem, he said: ‘We get 400,000 people for Indy car and nascar. This is a small crowd and much better behaved even with all this going on.’ 😂
This video is just being overly dramatic.
I was also there and didn't see anyone messing with the police. Everyone went home just fine.
NASCAR is a us car race so obviously there will be a lot of crowd in us
Yeah, it's because nascar sucked obviously.
@@krishna3828 unless nobody Nascar anymore and been steady decreasing fan.
Got this recommended after Spa 2021, another great contender for the worst race on history. UA-cam algorithm….
Spa 2021 isn't a contender, it's the new champion. At least with the 2005 US GP fans got to see racing in some form even if it was only 6 cars running around the track.
Spa 2021 was due to weather. Not really something you can do about it. USA 2005 was worse just because fia just was to stubborn to search an solution to the problem. There could be a race if they wanted to.
Same here…
Spa 2021 was the first F1 race is was intending on watching from start to finish after not wanting to get up at 9am cuz I live in the US…what a “race” to start with.
Same here :D
I will always remember this race. My dad gave me the option of going to the USGP or the Nascar race in Michigan that weekend and I chose wrong. The only reason we stayed until the end was because our seats were right next to the podium and I knew I would get to see Schumacher.
That sounds so sad...
Sounds like a good dad
Might have been the poor choice at the time, but now you have a story for a lifetime instead of attendance at a random NASCAR race.
Poor guy. Funny to realize that I was at home in front of my TV on the other side of the planet feeling sorry for you and all the other people there. That was really all I was thinking about. How angry and sad I would have been if I was there.
@@Dani-it5sy well, it sort of depends on his age and what he was there for. If he really was a big Schumi fan, then it would be an excellent occassion to meet the dude - since many others already left and Schumacher could use a distraction from said travesty. I figure his dad opted for this, trying to salvage the day an cushion the blow a bit. At any rate, it might be a good story now, but it must have been a complete let down back then. Expectations, especially those of kids are supposed to be met if they are realistic. Otherwise you ruin a hobby, sport, whatever, forever ;)
Legends say, Tiago is still celebrating 'til this day
He actually went on to have a really successful wtcc career winning many races since
Tiago should been in Ferrari in 2006.
Probably the only person to win anything out of this race haha
Tiago was to be with Ferrari
@@luuduonghy659 I’ve heard he’s in talks with Ferrari and The Doctor to make this happen 😂
I find it hilarious that this primarily NASCAR-focused channel's most popular video is about f1.
Ikr it's actually so funny
Worst NASCAR Race is catching up.
Ehhh barley
Well as soon as you add hashtags of F1 or formula 1, your reach for views goes way beyond the NASCAR audience.
@@elitegamer21005 *barely
there were a lot of proposals from the teams and Michelin to solve the problem: a chicane, run turn 13 in double yellow flag (forcing all drivers to slow down), that all happened because Max Mosley said everything was illegal and stuff.
also, just a little correction, Kimi Raikkonnen's tyre didn't blew on the last lap of the European Grand Prix, the flat spot on the tyre caused a lot of vibration and the suspension just didn't handle that, so the suspension failed because of the tyre, but the tyre was mostly intact.
that caused a rule change that stated if your tyres are not on safe condition, you can come down pit lane and change them.
Ah! Okay, I saw the suspension snapped and thought the tire had come apart and broke it. Good to know.
Also the same tyre that was used in qualification also had to be used in the raced.
If you want to get really pedantic, the rules already said you could change a damaged tyre for safety reasons, but at the time nobody knew if a flat spotted tyre counted as a severe enough safety risk to fall under that rule. After Kimi showed us unequivocally that yes, it was, the FIA clarified things. But that's only if you want to get pedantic. ;)
That European GP was maddening to watch. Everybody was so anxious to see if Kimi could make it to the end of the race, and heartbroken when the suspension failed on the last lap. I can't believe the stewards didn't allow McLaren to change that one tire, given the visible flat spot and resulting vibration. Had Kimi been injured I think you would have seen a much louder outcry over the decision.
@@3Dsjk the steward said allow it. McLaren chose not to, to avoid the penalty.
Wait hold up, MICHELIN refunded and gave tickets to people? Its always been said that IMS or FIA did that. Holy shit thats news to me
I respect that, gpod on ya MICHELIN
gpod indeed
Whether or not they did, the complete blame rests with them, for not bringing a tire that can handle the track that they knew about.
@@schumi246 How doe's it? It's clearly the FIA's fault. Michelin had ZERO way of foreseeing how their tires would do on track. On the other hand Bridgestone had a headsup as Bridgestone is European firestone and firestone had already ran tires at tye track in indycar. Bridgestone had an unfair advantage, if the fia allowed tires to be tested on a track by track basis Michelin wouldn't have had the problem they did. Then the FIA refused to put a chicane before the oval bit despite it being a good idea. The FIA also wouldn't allow pit stops to change tires. This is all on the FIA.
@@schumi246 And they knew about the track but they hadn't done testing on said track because they aren't actually allowed to. Bridgestone had through firestone. This meant that even Michies hardest compounds weren't up to scratch
I like how classy Michelin remand this entire time.
Trying to fix the mistakes of the fuck’n FIA.
Jeez, you blame the FIA and not Michelin?? Wasn't it Michelin that was supposed to provide working tires?
@@fgsaramago why dont u watch the entire video again?
@@ToxXxicYT and why would I do that?
@@fgsaramago He told that Bridgestone had insider information.
Bridgestone owned Firestone
Track Testing used Firestone Tyres
Had insider information
@@ToxXxicYT so did Michelin. On the previous year their tires also had problems.... Additionally, after knowing about the issue, Michelin flew in other sets of tires that were also not good enough.
I suggest you're the one that actually needs to what the video more carefully and pay attentions to the facts and not just the bias of the narrator
Unequivocally the worst. Killed any and all momentum F1 had in America and had so many implications for everyone in the sport.
You're right, if it wasn't for the Netflix show, F1 would still be below IMSA, INDY and NASCAR audience wise
Cota angry Texan noises
Willy Pro in America Nascar is higher Audience wise it’s bigger than f1 here
@@willypro4949 the thing is : formula one is still Europe's nascar in a sense
@@crispykiddo70 i thought Indycar is bigger
Everyone: dear lord what a shitshow
Tiago: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YEAH PODIUM
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
A win for him (podium)
Oh yeah yeah
There's also that one time Minardi was allowed to use the podium because they finally finished on points for thr first time in their team history
He is literally the guy from the Third Place Podium meme.
2005 US GP: Worst F1 race
2021 Belgian GP: “Hold my beer...”
Yes, it’s a literal copy and paste lmao
I was looking for this one😂
SAME I GOT THIS RECCOMENDED AFTER IT LOL
What happened
@@harry2788 The race got delayed several times due to poor weather conditions, then they drove 3 laps behind the safety car and FIA decided to call it and award half points
Monteiro is the embodiment (or inspiration) of that 3rd place celebration meme.
Small correction: Kimi's tire didn't blow. The high frequency vibration from the tire being flatspotted caused the suspension to fail. The onboard footage from the laps leading up to the failure is incredible, you can see the entire car shaking, and Kimi looks like he's holding onto a paint mixer.
I've got no knowledge of cars, racing, tires, hell I'm an old lady with just my beginners. But UA-cam recommended this and it piqued my curiosity. And now I'm in love with your channel! Your vids are so clear, your voice is amazing, you make this interesting as hell and digestible. Thank you for sharing this!! You've got a strange, ne subscriber who is gonna binge all your content!
Glad to hear it 👍
Welcome to F1 racing
Welcome to the world of racing. It's rare you see a female interested in racing and cars. But we welcome you with open arms.
Monteiro is like that dude from Fyre Festival who did all of his drugs on the plane.
An internet historian fan I presume?
Big F1 fan here. I know this story inside and out and you still manage to bring new information. Well done man!
Glad you enjoyed it!
9:45 IIRC though Raikkonen would've been allowed to change his tyres then as it would be deemed safety critical, but he decided not to as the extra pit stop required would've cause him to be overtaken (by Alonso I think?)
@Evan Rice You sentence makes no sense. The fact that you learned something new means that you did not know the story inside and out.
bowlchamps37 it’s ok he’s just giving a compliment
One thing that was not mentioned however was the lack of a wish to compromise by the Bridgestone teams! The FIA, commonly known as Ferrari International Assistance, were just voicing what their proverbial bedfellows were behind closed doors!
I once spoke to the late Sid Watkins some years after this race and asked him what he would have done if the FIA had pulled all of its people from the circuit. He replied that he would have promptly resigned and offered his services as medical officer to the race which, apparently, the teams were okay with.
Sid was not a man to be crossed with and backed drivers rather than the regulators
not the first instance of him saying he would resign due to interference in his work.
The medical car with an anesthesiologist turning the first lap with the field and the helicopter on standby at the track were his conditions to stay after Ronnie Peterson's death in 78
S1ap is putting out F1 AND NASCAR bangers out here
And IndyCar
This was unespected, i'm a big F1 fan peeking into NASCAR 👀
@@nicolocetto welcome to nascar!
Left Turn Productions [LTP] and IMSA too.
have not watch nascar in years ,but indycar is better
FIA: If you do that, we will leave
Everyone: Okay
FIA: *WHAT HOOOOLD UP NO*
Yeah most governing bodies would never make that threat because they know how useless they are. None more so than actual governments.
That's what we need to do to governments.
USA 2005: *"I'm the worst F1 race"*
Belgium 2021: *"The worst F1 race, so far"*
Usa 2005: only six cars in the grid, full race
Belgium 2021: full grid, only two laps
1994 San Marino Grand Prix: *Amateurs.*
1961 Italian Grand Prix: H I
MazeBin fastest lap
@@RegionalRadioShackManager Tiago only podium, George first podium
Spa 2021 = Rain Rain Everywhere
It's not everyone fault, It's weather fault
Two bonus stories from this, the most f***ed up of races
Minardi team owner Paul Stoddart said in an interview that he was considering also pulling out of the race, and if it was up to him, they would've, however sponsors forced his hand, because they could smell TV time. He also claimed that Jordan had agreed not to race, however when Jordan changed their minds, Stoddart felt he had to go racing. Imagine if only Ferrari had started the race...
A bunch of drivers wanted to race. Red Bull driver David Coulthard said he almost 'forgot' to go into the pits, as he was that passionate about the race
Speaking of Paul Stoddart, if you want to see one of the most epic post-race interviews ever, look up his interview from this race (the not safe for US TV version)
@@philleonard1985 Thankfully Dutch television doesn't give a shit if you go on a curse filled rant. Jack and Olav were struggling to keep it together.
Coulthard was recorded on the radio in the car telling the team that if they hadn't made up their mind yet, he wanted to race. So it was obviously very last minute. Also leaving the grid on the formation lap, Kimi Raikkonen turned off his launch control and lit up the rears leaving a big strip of rubber on his grid slot, which would've given him more grip off the real start had he taken it. He later suggested that he was thinking of forgetting to pull in as well.
Both Red Bull & McLaren (along with at least one other Michelin team, I can't remember which one) felt their tire deg wasn't bad and could race, although Michelin had told them not to.
@@MasterofSpiders A former Toyota emgineer now working as a commentator in TV once said in a broadcast that as their car was on pole, the deal was pretty much that had they decided to head to the grid, everybody else would've likely done so too. But as they pulled into the pits, so did everybody else running Michelins.
Yea, Kimi was absolutely fuming before and during the formation lap
3:16 The man, the myth, the LEGEND! Guenther Steiner
@Federal Bureau of Investigation, he does no fooksmash my door
@@CrispyFries1 buonch of fenkuhs
Before Kevin fok smash the door
I got so much respect for Tiago popping off no matter what
Tiago may not be the name on top of most people's list of top F1 driver but for us who know, Tiago is a legend among legends and his name has it's own category and that makes him one of the GOAT's of F1.
FIA: *FOLLOW THE RULES OR WE OUT*
Sponsors and race teams: *K, dat fine den, we do it by ourselves*
FIA: **REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE**
dat fine den
This is exactly why governments never shut down. Because they don't want people to realize how much they are not needed.
@@SteRDLK deez nuts
@@nonetaken7873 whoa there. Im just trynna make a meme. Save that for local watering hole there, johnny appleseed.
@@vicerichter1163 What, I can't make a meme too? It's a perfect parallel. Ruling powers are just not as indispensable as they like to think.
I am not an F1 fan, but even I knew it was gonna be this race.
Yup
I agree
I mean, there is literally no other candidate.
In the words of Paul Stoddart "Its not a race its a farce!"
@@TheBrainSpecialist Aidan Millward also said that
indy 2005 : i am the worst f1 race ever
spa 2021 : hold my beer and waffles
I remember going to this race with my dad when I was younger, our seats were in turn 13. We watched all the cars drive into the pit lane and everyone was pissed. We left after about 10 laps because the colorful criticism of the race by other fans was apparently too much for my youthful ears.
That was where I was with my father: Turn 13. I might have seen you leave with your family, since there were only a dozen or so fans up on that turn.
Tiago Monteiro is the one I need on a party. Making every dullest situation great
3:11 aged surprisingly well considering what NASCAR wants to add for street courses. 😳
Seeing how Michelin actually knew how to use their brains/please the fans, unlike the FiA, makes me wanna get tires from them next time I need new ones for my car. Luckily my local Costco has them.
Ermagherd, Guenther Steiner at 3:17 I can almost hear him saying to Ecclestone: *No, Bernie, we will look like a bunch of wankers*
He would have said "Wie ein herde arschlochern !!". 😉
"We would be cunts. You think we're cunts?"
😂😂😂 he is great
Late to the party, but I just gotta say that Ecclestone guy is a total manlet.
Steiner still looked relatively young back then.
Montiero is literally that meme of the guy spraying champaign on the 3rd place podium
Love the content, Slap! I am mostly an F1 fan, but through some of your content, I've actually started to develop an interest for NASCAR. You make very compelling videos, and while I'm nt an absolute diehard, you've convinced me to start watching a few races here and there. Keep up the good stuff, you're class mate.
When the video STARTS with the Jon Bois music of doom, you know it's a major disaster that you're about to cover hahahah.
I instantly thought of bois
Exactly! I knew I heard that song before! Also do you know the name of it?
@@justinwhite4995 It's L'Espace Temps by Bernard Parmegiani
@@yeggog Thank you so much!
Shoutout to that Thiago guy for celebrating the whole day getting his podium with the homies
its tiago not thiago
@@MrPintodaCosta Trivago
Hotel?
Trivago.
He really got his monies worth
@@MrPintodaCosta Can be written both ways, TH is used more in Brazil than in Portugal.
USA 2005: I'm the worst F1 race of the 21st century.
Belgium 2021: And I took that personally.
Most of the time I hate it when youtubers just talk over a patchwork of video clips but your video is very different from the others, maybe it's the way you speak or narrate the case but it makes for a compelling watch.
i like it.
God I really hate Max Mosley for that 2005 regulation. I still do today....
That 2005 no tire change rule was the stupidest idea that ever came out from FIA. It was basically a rule that clearly tried to single-handedly break the unstoppable Ferrari + Bridgestone combo that came out fresh with Schumi winning 13 out 18 races in 2004. It was the absolute worst....
Kimi Raikkonen's suspension failure at Nurburgring due to his Michelin tires ripped apart to pieces should've been the signal to call off that rule immediately....
What do you expect from a man who organised orgies while dressing as a Nazi general www.wired.com/2008/04/max-mosleys-kin/
Tbf and I do agree with you that the rule was ridiculous but we also can’t sit here and say mclaren were completely innocent as they could’ve called him as they knew what would happen they just weren’t sure if kimi would finish before his suspension does.
@@KitKata0 The FIA putting rules down to effectively hamstring a dominant team never tends to work out well. For every 2009 season you've got something like this or 1994's electronics ban.
@Michael Kitchin I’m not saying those rules are ok. I agree they’re pretty much always disastrous I’m just saying kimi’s specific accident could’ve been avoided at that moment.
The one set rule was the dumbest rule in f1 history
Redbull Guenther doesn't exist He can't hurt you
Redbull Guenther:
3:19
Great video bro, keep em coming
Bruh i used to be subscribed to you
Oh damn, didn't know ur into f1. I'm subbed to u bro
My chinese mad lad bmonus
“Keep em coming” oof size large
Wait. The fat asian is here wtf 🤣
That record fot most races in a single country will be tied by Italy this year.
I was there; drove in from Minneapolis and picked-up a friend who flew in from CA. I was a big F1 fan since childhood and was so excited about finally having F1 in the states again, but this fiasco permanently soured me on F1. We left after the first couple of laps and I haven’t watched an F1 race since.
So you would have preferred to see someone die ??? Get over it ☺️
@@alcoyne3333333333333 Where did he imply that he wanted to see people die?
I read his comment and he never said anything that would remotely imply that.
Slap: "Bridgestone vs Michelin.."
Me, who has only been watching F1 in the Pirelli era: "What's a Bridgestone?"
Bridgestone are essentially tires like Michelin but better, especially in MotoGP.
@@Gurubashy thx but I was joking lol 😂
This race was still better than Paul Ricard 2019
Better than Paul Ricard in itself
At least the racing was good.
Paul Ricard 2021 was amazing tho
@@bartscholten476 yep, Do not read below if you hate Max or Red Bull, or you are a Lewis Fan boy.
Letsss goo maxxxx, you be leading the championship
@@squiddysquidster802 I'm not really a Lewis fanboy, but I do see him as the Tiger Woods of racing.
However, like what happened to Tiger, I think Hamilton's prime might be passing, albeit more slowly and more subtly.
A terrible race debacle,, but not as bad as following a Pace Car for a few laps and having F1 Declaring that a RACE, with the qualifying order counting as the finishing order and Awarding Points. Spa 2021 will live in infamy.
Hell, NASCAR, NHRA, IndyCar etc, postpone races due to weather related track conditions and run them the next day or ASAP. While many of their fans can’t attend Monday races, they do all they can to put on a “real race,” which always get televised.
They were racing at Zandvoort the very next week. They even showed the team trucks the day after at the Neatherlands. We have 21 races. There's just no way they could reschedule that race. The calendar is way too tight for F1 logistics.
@@FelipePGiro fair point but then just cancel the race outright. You can't call qualifying a race.
8:30 the Best Bad Race Ever. The 2005 Coke 600 is simultaneously a total shitshow and an unironic classic.
Fr, saw that doodoo ass race, but I loved it
I can’t be the only one here after the shitshow that was Spa 2021
2:05 CORRECTION. Circuit Gilles Villeneuve (Île-Notre-Dame) was built initially for Expo 67 and repurposed for the rowing and canoeing events at the 76 Olympics before being re-repurposed as the racetrack and Casino location.
9:46 Kimi *could* have changed it - the rules allowed changing tyres in the event of damage. McLaren chose not to, lest he finish second
And the suspension gave up, not the tyre
@@pilipilipilipilipili suspension gave up because of the tire
@@Rahkesh357 but the tyre didn't blow up
@@pilipilipilipilipili flat spot would have cause severe vibrations ultimately screwing up the suspension
@@typewritermonkey-1782 I know what happened, but still wasn't the tyre that blew up..
Montreal’s track was on an island built for the 1967 world’s fair Expo 67 not the 76 Olympics....
THANK i wasent crasy after all
This brought back a 'Nam style flashback to that infamous day in '05. Never forget the day F1 died in America. Until recently that is.
@Charles Szasz naw, just difference of opinions :^
F1 in America is alive and well, there’s the circuit of the americas in Texas
@MetalMastodon not to sound anti-capitalist, or any of that, and I'll admit I'm biased as an aspiring race driver myself with little finds to pursue my career yet, that removing and supplanting the elitism at the highest levels of racing would go a long way. Hard to say, considering how expensive the fastest series' vehicles are.
@MetalMastodon right? More isms, ism this, ism that.
>Jon Bois music at the start
Oooooooh boy, this is gonna be good.
LOL ngl for a hot minute I thought it was an SB Nation video 🤣🤣🤣
What IS that music btw?
@@poprox101 L'espace temps by Bernard Parmegiani
Inviting Slap into the Fumble Dimension to ruin a racing game would be fun.
It will be good, but will it be pretty good??
Sorry, Belgium 2021 will take the crown.
I was there in the grandstands near pit exit. I’ll never forget how quickly the attitude of the fans around me changed when the cars pulled into the pits on the formation lap.
Nicely put together short. Also, thank you for keeping the 4:3 frame for the older format. It really frustrates me when broadcasters or UA-cam media creators do the inverse of pan-scan of the old days (where widescreen gets zoomed in for 4:3) on 4:3 to fit 16:9.
11:37 I believe the threat of teams forming a new sanctioning body had already been floated. Many teams were sick of the FIA and/or the FOM at this point, as far as I remember. Teams were stuck with the FIA and the FOM for as long as the Concorde Agreement was in effect, though, which meant that the breakaway series threat only formally appeared (complete with press conference and logos) when Concorde was up for renewal a few years later.
Similar to Talladega in 1969.
At least they allowed Sportsman Series cars on the track so there was _something._ F1 didn't even put any F3000 cars in the field.
EDIT: Or whatever the next closest thing they had was. If they _were_ running support events, that is.
true but different because bill france had to take the lower division cars and race the 500 instead of 3 fast cars, in this race there is no filler cars
Talladega 1969 was rushed beyond belief, the teams left days before and the tyre problem did eventually solve at the last minute. While in this race the teams and the organizers can't even decide whether they're going to race or not even hours before the race. All we had was a team that basically earning free win and 2 backmarkers having free points.
@Steve Blakley i can't disagree with you on that
Kinda also like the 2008 Brickyard 400
Just start making a 2 hour documentary on the complete history of tires for the past 200 years and then you won't have to talk about it anymore
Studio Rotoscat it all began when a cave man beat a rock into a round shape and rolled that bitch down a hill
00:00 "The day is June 19th 2005, and Formula 1 racing in America, as we know it is about to die"
2021 US GP at COTA with 400,000 attendance: *HOWDY*
I don't see any difference with Indianapolis Motor Speedway, this is the most terrible case of Injustice I ever heard of
After dreaming a life long to one day watch a F1 live and gathering my hard earned savings I travel from Florida to Indy all excited and adrenaline pumping on that fateful and pitiful day of June 2005 only to witness this econopolitical disaster. Honestly after that I lost interest on F1, however i still have that ticket stub and some other cheap souvenirs from the historic track to comfort my utter disappointment.
Abdul Qadir Such a shame. After watching the Nascar Xfinity race on Saturday, it shows that the Indy road course can really provide great racing. I hope F1 will one day give Indy a chance but I know it’s slim.
@@Polaris0w0 I live in Indy the roads are shittier than Detroit's also I do hope they come back as Formula 1 is about challenging them through competition. Turn 13 is the challenge and looking at the stands people were packed as usual. I do hope that they come back.
Tbh I would be satisfied from being able to see Schumacher in his prime, even at the worst race ever, I heard that Ferrari roaring all the way the track. I would still pay the travel and ticket for that.
The IMS is the only place where the neighborhood loves the loudest noises from there.
Can't have been much of a fan if you gave up after 1 disappointment lmao
Not gonna lie, More F1 content would be pretty nice
Second this. Plus some foreign racing as well. Some other UA-camrs have been doing great work in the rally car scene.
@@BigBlack81 Hillclimbs would be something. The craziest racing here in Germany. What would happen if you slapped crazy aero on a old opel Kadett, put a 700hp formula 1 V8 in it and went up a tight mountain road?
Yes he should do a video about the downfall of Williams or McLaren
All racing (specifically American touching because that's his roots) would be welcome.
always fun to see a spurdo in unexpected places
:DDDD
3rd place Tiago. Good for him, he looked like he had the moment of his life!
The biggest travesty is that fans had to suffer through an Imagine Dragons concert
Ouch...that probably destroyed their souls.
Imagine dragons is not that bad. Y'all just bunch of sheeps following the trends of what or who to hate to look cool lol. Get a life
@@muhammadfarhan581 no bro, I didn't even realize that it's trendy to not like them. In January, I listened to them perform at the College Football Championship, and it was one of the most awful abominations I've ever heard. It sucked so bad that I honestly thought it was a joke. Turns out, they're just that bad. Every song they've had come on the radio sounds the same...and that sound is Terrible.
I like your profile name btw. Donkey Teeth!
Fuck off trash. You are worse than F1
Kidz Bop 38 is Straight FIRE!! They aren’t my cup of tea but you have to realise that people have different tastes in music
I remember watching this live on TV. To be fair, it was kinda interesting.
one of races i rememer best. sure was more interesting than the races that ended up 95% identically always
@@kallemetsahalme5701 I agree. Last year's French GP was the worst in my opinion.
@@kallemetsahalme5701 You mean where the only drama is who gets pole, Lewis or Bottas.
You mean in a kind of ghoulish way ? That’s the way I saw it. I knew it would be a disaster but couldn’t resist watching it anyhow.
Six cars on track, this reminded me of the og Gran Turismo games, good stuff.
History repeated itself last night. Nothing says F1 like charging huge ticket prices. Offering as little racing as possible. Kicking fans out without refunds.
My dad was at this race. It was an eerie feeling seeing that start. The crowd was not happy that day.
2:24 Until this year with Italy: (Monza, Muguello and Imola) if the pandemic allow it
They all already get Max Verstappen to DNF
Imola is San Marino though, right?
@@Sh0tgunJust1ce Nop, is closer to Milan than San Marino, it's common in F1 to do that to avoid the rule (1 country - 1 race) like last year with Italy (Monza) Toscana(Mugello) and Emilia Romagna (Imola)
3:17 on the left: is this historic footage of Günther Steiner?
That 2005 tire rule didn't only cost Kimi the win of a race, but most likely the whole championship with it.
Even if the rule was a thing mclaren said they would rather push for the win than pit and maybe get a podium. He couldn’t have pitted earlier has he flat spotted his tire over taking a back marker near the end of the race.
I think the Mercedes engine detonating most weekends had more of an effect.
The car also have reliability issues
People keep saying that, but he was never close to winning it. Alonso also got his share of bad luck with the tyres in Monaco that year, losing P2 to both Williams. Kimi and McLaren lost because of their bad reliability. The impact of that race was anecdotic.
I remember watching that race. That no tire change rule was fucking stupid. Almost as stupid as the forced tire degradation of the Pirelli era.
I was only 6 years old when i was watching The F1 USA Race in my home, me and my mother were kinda confused of why did this happened.
indianapolis: _“i'm the worst race ever!”_
spa-francorchamps: _“hold my typical ardennes weather.”_
You could also mention Nürnberg and how it’s literally a 16 mile track with crazy difficult turns.
slapshoes i like it what a good way to start your intro off talking in a dark way that's really creeply scary buti like it
Michelin teams: *gives good solutions*
Bridgestone teams: *helps with getting them to race*
FiA: _no_
Pirelli: "Ok grandpas, i'll make tires for F1 myself."
3:50 *
Netherlands laughs in the background*
Very true, was looking for this one
I remember watching the race on TV then I was 9. I turned it off after five laps since I knew it wasn't even worth watching. What an absolute embarrassment and grade A fiasco for F1
I remember Mika Salo commentating on Finnish broadcast, and all they ended doing whole race is talk random stuff. Mika Salo even told a story of somekind of surgery he had to go to after his F1 career ended. It was hilarious to listen to the commentators just talk about some random crap, and goofing around. Instead of commentating the race. Well "race", as let's face it. That was far from racing.
@@1989SupraGuyFIN a Dutch TV commentator (I think the same ones a today) got a team manager to speak whilst the race was going on and all he did was swearing live on TV. However the Dutch dont really care about that
Good for Tiago for making the most of his only ever podium what a legend
I've never understood the folks that try and justify a "tire war" as somehow good for the sport in F1/MotoGP. They always ramble on about technology and what-not, but never bother to notice that no one cares about the tires--only about the drives/riders and manufacturers.
I remember seeing a forum post from back then from a guy who had gotten back from the USGP he said:
"I've always said that I;d pay good money to just watch Michael Schumacher and any F1 Ferrari lap a track, and well I guess that I just did."
It's a good attitude as a fan I say.
This aged like milk.
Spa 21 makes this seem like a highlight of the sport.
I still think 2005 was worse, spa 21’s failure was almost purely because of the weather and although it was massively frustrating there wasn’t much to do in that situation given that all drivers except max said that they had zero visibility. 2005 on the other hand was shit only because FIA and F1 fucked up big time and embarrassed themselves, things would have been better if they weren’t a bunch of incompetent morons
@@lunalunarluna I was at Spa ‘21. I’m only 19 so Indy 05 was before my time but from what it seems the difference is that Spa there wasn’t rly anything they could do it was constantly raining and zero vis whereas in Indy 05 a solution was proposed but they chose (well ferrari and fia anyway) not to use it.
@@Aviation-vn7ko yes that was exactly my point, I’m also 19 haha. And what a bummer it must have felt for you at Spa this year, I hope you can get at least part of your money back because there was no race at all at the end
@@lunalunarluna Yh I imagine the best case is they give some sort of discount for next years GP, unless F1 themselves agree compensation which is unlikely seeing as they allegedly fulfilled their contractual obligation of a ‘race’.
Specially after Hungary
2:03 wrong! St.Helen's island was created for the Universal Exposition of 1967 not for the 1976 olympics!
A bit intense but ok then
@@karsten3360 A bit intense? I didn't mean to be rude... sorry!
You dont have to be sorry I was just pointing that out
yes, they definitely have that wrong about being created for the Olympics. But to be accurate, the Gilles Villeneuve Circuit is on Ile Notre Dame, also part of the Expo '67 site. St. Helen's Island was expanded for the World's Fair, but Ile Notre Dame was totally created way back then. The rowing basin on Ile Notre Dame was created for the '76 Olympics.
Slap doing an F1 Video? Hell yeah!
You seriously deserve so many more subs! I rarely watch Nascar and I still watch your videos regularly lol Great content!!!
I'm not an F1 fan at all. I enjoy stock car racing, drag racing, rally and some drifting However, I did find this fascinating. Would not be mad if more F1 content was put up like this. Thank You
there are some amazing F1 races, the F1 youtube channel has been posting some of them lately to make up for lack of races going on.
YES SLAP! I love your content but this seems to be more interesting to me as I am an Australian ... maybe you could do a doco into The Australian Nascar and it's history/demise? Love your work man!
Max Mosely, who had the final say from the FIA, made a really fair point:
"If you have a running race and one athlete doesn't bring their running spikes, you can't make the other runners remove theirs to make it fair. You simply can't punish the people who came with the correct equipment."
Except they weren't asking Bridgestone to change anything so it's not like that at all.
Schumacher said it even better: "You can't ask the people who are not rresponsible for it to take the responsibility"
From a pure competition standpoint, you're correct. However that's not the case here. There were over a hundred-thousand people in the stands, and millions more at home.
Running a racing series in the modern era is about balancing competition and entertainment. When there are so many people at the track, most who paid around or over $1,000 to be there, its unacceptable to run a 5-car "race". And especially so after so many compromises were attempted.
@@MrJohansen Welp then Michelin should’ve bought correct tires and the teams should’ve had better planning. Sucks to suck.
@@Lucas_Antar To be fair, if Bridgestone didn't have banked corner data from Firestone, no tyre supplier would've had a tyre to race
Yup should do NASCAR’s second worst race.
The 2008 Brickyard 400.
Or the Worst NASCAR race of the new millennium
Edit: Thanks for all of the likes. This is the most ever likes I have ever had on a comment
That race was so bad, NASCAR actually had to apologize for it.
I don't know which is worse. New Hampshire 2000 or 2008 Indianapolis
Grand Gamer 3 yeah I know. But that race did have some solid racing and 2008 Indianapolis was just a disgrace for NASCAR
@@Maverick33 re: New Hampshire 2000. Have you watched the race or is it just from looking up the results?
@@legatoblues4185 I was at that race. It was so difficult to watch in person.
I remember that well! I was working EMS at IMS and had to try and maneuver an ambulance through the, near riotous, crowd. Someone noticed that we were running Michelin tires and began to rock the ‘bus’ back and forth pretty aggressively! Fortunately, we didn’t have a patient on board. As an aside, I don’t think you close-out of including “insider info” is totally correct if you were referring to the Bridgestone/Firestone connection. There were huge amounts of Michelin personnel at everything from spring tire testing to the lead up race events, so they really weren’t behind the knowledge curve.
Learnt they lacked something if they didn’t supply the right tires for the race. It’s not rocket science
I think you should rename this video because the 2021 Belgian GP with two laps behind the safety car just eclipsed the 2005 US GP as the worst ever F1 race. When spectators are soaked in the grandstands to see a 2-lap race (where overtaking is not allowed because it's behind a safety car) cut short with delays, wait 3 additional hours only to receive the news that the race is then cancelled, but the 2-lap race meant the polesitter technically wins the race, and the drivers who qualified P2 and P3 make the podium by default, then that's a recipe for not just the worst F1 race, but probably the worst race in Motor Racing history.
There are a lot of bad F1 races in terms of disorganization and/or tragedy but this race is the moment F1 under Bernie went downhill.
Also this was the last time Jordan stepped up on the podium so there's that
Me: I'm tired, i think i'll go take a nap.
Slap: 'uploads a video on USA 2005'
Me: COWABUNGA IT IS
Dear Slap, can you please make more videos about F1?
I love your work.
Great video, but lemme square some things away.
-The FIA did not renew the contract with IMS, not the other way around.
-Michelin had known about the diamond grading of the track, they still chose to go with a softer compound.
-Michelin also was going to fly a load of harder compound tires in, but logistically it couldn't be done nor did the teams and the FIA like that idea.
-The chicane in the final corner wasn't added because any changes to the track would nullify their insurance, which meant if anyone got hurt. The FIA would be solely responsible for it.
Other than that I think you got everything right. Cheers.
Flying new set of tires was prohibited by the FIA. In their rulebook for the 2005 Formula One season it is stated "Any new tire compound that was not used in the Saturday qualifying session could result in penalizing the driver(s) using that said tire compound". Michelin's hands were tied - full tire changes were prohibited and couldn't fly new set of tires as this would violate the rule of using the tires from the qualifying.
@@ivaneurope F1 was going to waive that clause for this race, I believe.