Let's face it the whole video is good, but the low-key shade on the lag jaguars They would be the ones to practice in a park if a team would.that is the gold here ❤
As someone born and raised in St Louis, thank you for this video. Growing up I really liked the blues, LOVED the Cardinals but my favorite was always the Rams. Getting to grow up with guys Like Kurt Warner, Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt was such a privilege. I will always be grateful for their time here. At least we'll always have them and coming up in September the Cardinals are going to be honoring the SB34 Champion St Louis Rams!!! They can't ever take that championship away from STL and I'm just thankful that, that happened here
Plus I got tagged in the comment for whatever reason. I made my own comment elsewhere. I blame UA-cam for the problem with the comment section. They made me feel like you were attached to my initial comment.
You left out a really important detail. Stan told the city of St. Louis the Rams would stay if they paid for a $40 Million renovation to the stadium. We gave him the money...and he ran to LA with it. HE STOLE 40 MILLION DOLLARS FROM ST. LOUIS TAX PAYERS
and don't forget about the St. Louis Hawks, it's been a few years, but St. Louis once had a basketball team too. I think they left even before the Blues were created. Fun fact, it was the Chicago Blackhawks, who would often play "home" games in St. Louis from time to time that pushed for a St. Louis expansion team in the NHL.
Hearing the Blackhawks were the "home" team for St. Louis occasionally to drum up interest in an NHL team for STL made me throw up in my mouth a little bit.
Those home games by the Black Hawks were between the Arena having an AHL team pre early 50s and before the Blackhawks moved a different minor league team there in the 50s pre-expansion. The owner.owned the stadium and wanted it used.
Blackhawks owner Norris owned the arena in St Louis. He made a condition to the other 5 owners before the 1967 expansion that St Louis would get a team & the owners would buy the arena off of him or else he wouldn't support the expansion. Norris was the reason St Louis got a team & Buffalo had to wait.
The Atlanta Hawks used to be the St. Louis Hawks until the Blues came to town . Ben Kerner realized that he would have a tough time competing for ticket sales against the Blues, so he sold the team.
Stan didn’t grow up in St. Louis. He grew up in Columbia, MO, which is halfway between KC and St. Louis. That’s like saying someone who was born in Richmond, VA grew up in D.C. They are completely different cities 2 hours apart.
@@emoo.182I doubt this. Most people in this state outside of an hour of the city were Chiefs fanatics. I lived next to it and they were more loyal Chiefs fans when they were both shite.
Stanley Enos Kroenke was named for two of the greatest St Louis Cardinals of all time, Stan Musial and Enos Slaughter. He may have grown up in Columbia, but don’t pretend like he didn’t have massive ties to St Louis.
@@jasonkoch3182 He didn't name himself. All that means is that his parents probably cared more about STL sports than he did. He had the ties, but apparently only reluctantly. Where he grew up is basically halfway between St. Louis and Kansas City. People are just as likely to be KC sports fans as STL, and based on the utter crap he pulled in 2016 I'm inclined to think he felt no true closeness to the city. Cared much more about that bottom line than any geographical proximity to STL, in any case. And all of this underscoring the original comment: the fact remains that he did not grow up here. Columbia is far away.
As a St. Louisan, there are 3 things that are mandatory, non-negotiable items for an NFL team to even be under serious consideration: 1. Must be a new team with a new ownership group that has ties to the area. (Bonus points if they keep the Battlehawks) 2. A new stadium needs to be built, and it MUST be 100% privately funded. The NFL burned the bridge of receiving any kind of public subsidy around here back in 2016. 3. There has to be at least a 50 year no-movement clause as part of the new team's organization. The NFL *might* accommodate the 1st item, but you're more likely to get struck by lightning while watching a Jeff Fisher team finish a season above .500 before the NFL accepts #2 and #3 lol
Bingo. St. Louis isn’t going to lift a finger to bring the NFL back. The way Kroenke and Goodell salted the earth on the way out pretty much solidified that.
St. Louis voters will approve public funding if it’s not the majority of team funding. That said, if an ownership group is willing to pay the money, the NFL won’t say no - they just want money; don’t care where it’s from. The third point will likely never happen.
Little bit you left out. The NFL gave the Cardinals the go-ahead to relocate to St. Louis to block out any potential expansion from the then AFL into the STL market. Without the Cardinals relocating, it's very possible STL would have gotten an AFL franchise that eventually would have merged into the NFL in 1970.
@@johnmackshighlights8103 I feel like in hindsight it would have made more sense for the AFL to place a team in a larger city like St Louis instead of somewhere like Buffalo. Yeah the Kansas City Chiefs would have been nearby but I think it could have worked out.
@@johnmackshighlights8103 The AFL wasn't in Kansas City when the league first started. The Chiefs were originally the Dallas Texans. It wasn't until their third year that they moved to KC and changed the name to the Chiefs.
The similarities between the Cardinals and Rams situations before moving to St. Louis are kinda wild. Both teams were owned by widows who inherited the team from their husband. Both teams came from cities that had another team that was more popular then them(Bears and Raiders). Both teams had stadium issues and played in Baseball stadiums not meant for football.
As a St. Louis native, my two biggest childhood heartbreaks were the 2004 world series and superbowl XXXVI. If I could only have one of them done over, as much as I loved the 04 Cardinals, they were never in danger of relocation. Two superbowls in three years would've made it that much tougher for the Rams to leave.
It sucks when a team dumps your city. I grew up in Houston and was a big Oilers fan until they left when I was in high school. The timing was good, because I stopped watching NFL and just followed college football. All these years later, my college team has never threatened to leave my alma mater if they don't build them a new stadium 😊
One of the weird things is I’ve been inside Kurt Warner’s house that he lived in while in St Louis. There is legitimately a trophy case with the dimensions to fit the smaller Lombardi trophy each team member gets in the kitchen + the MVP award Warner received and the countertops are blue marble with gold accent lights (Rams colors). But now to my knowledge that trophy case sits practically empty, almost perfectly symbolizing the hole the Rams made when they left. The Rams were good (as were the football Cardinals) so I wish they could’ve stuck around but alas, the taste towards them is bittersweet especially with Kroenke.
the saddest thing about the city is its an absolutely beautiful city. with so much history but it’s slowly being left behind. i cant wait for people to realize why its such an amazing city and place to be.
I went there last year and was intrigued by the history of it. It does seem to be forgotten because it doesn't seem to have any type of tie in with much other than being on the Mississippi back when river travel was the prominent mode of transportation. As an outsider when you think of St Louis you think of the Gateway Arch and not much else. Even with Anheuser-Busch. When people think of a city and beer Milwaukee comes to mind first.
@@suitednate2012 That is the other part you think of as an outsider to St Louis, but I wanted a native to say it 🤣. I am glad the Cardinals game I went to was a 1 PM game, I've heard it can be interesting after a night game by Busch Stadium.
Kaw Kaw! But I still want an NFL team.😢If St Louis got an NFL team I’d still remain a Ravens fan, however I’d attend many games and be a big supporter. Winning a Super Bowl then followed by celebration all through the city would bring light to St Louis that it hasn’t seen since the Blues won the Cup 6 years ago.
As someone who lives in St. Louis let me give you a little insight as to where they fucked up. They signed a deal to where the Rams had to be in the top 10 in attendance for x amount of years or the team couldn't move and that's exactly what happened. It sucks but the city shot itself in the foot. Then we got the settlement and we don't know where that money went because they're not using it to help the city at all
Agreed they should've never did that deal as a fan when I found out about that I was like wtf 😂 and yea I still bring that up that the 800 mill just disappeared!! We have so much that needs to be done in this city. Personally I wish we could've gotten an expansion team instead since I knew that money wasn't gonna go to a single citizen like you and me. At minimum they shouldve given every season ticket holder 1k for the rams loss
(Also from STL).Kroenkes mission from the time he bought the team was to move them to LA. He did everything possible to make that happen. STL had no chance at keeping the Rams, it was a done deal from the beginning. The Dome was 20 years old when they left. The Rams had fantastic attendance when the rams were good. But with a lack of investment and terrible teams the fans quit showing up. My Dad had season tickets until 2010, we got mizzou football tickets instead. Once they announced a possible move to LA the fans gave up and boycotted the rams.
The stadium sucked. I went to a game where the lights caught on fire. The fans were passionate but nobody wanted to go to the Edward Jones Dome. And that’s a fact
From 1999 - 2005 St Louis was one of the hardest places to play in regard to how loud it was and how good the team was. No problem with sustaining a football team. But then when you go 10 years without a winning team AND talks of leaving, that's going to cripple any team anywhere.
As an Oakland fan, I feel bad for St Louis. If I decided to get into the XFL the Battlehawks would definately be my team, I get the sense they've got a similar atmosphere to the A's atmosphere today with the games having a lot of coop people out protesting a billionare owner who screwed over the city.
as a st louis fan i appreciate your support, its such a shame that the A's are leaving town. i've been a big fan of the reverse boycotts and constant chanting of sell the team. i'm praying on las vegas' downfall for you
St. Louis and Oakland are two of the greatest consistently screwed-over sports cities in the country. At least y'all have teams in San Francisco (yeah, yeah, crosstown rivals, whatever).
I remember hearing that Baltimore was snubbed by the NHL in the 1967 expansion for St. Louis, which back then had a stadium in worse condition than Baltimore. With them losing the Rams, I now understand why the Blues are so crucial to that city.
Thank you for doing this video. It made me sick hearing national media buy into the narrative that St. Louis was a bad fan base and the city wouldn’t pay for a new stadium and that’s the reason for relocating, when ownership was obviously tanking for the last decade before the move so they could drive down attendance and blame the city on their way out
Former STL Rams fan here. I don't think St. Louis fans would want another NFL team, simply because they might get shafted again. That said, Stan Kroenke can do a lot of things that I won't print here.
If St Louis were to get a team again surely there would be measures in place to ensure the team is firmly rooted in the city. Local ownership that is passionate about the city and a 50 year minimum stadium lease would be a must. Bad franchise/stadium arrangements is what doomed the Rams from the start here.
Yeah, I think St. Louis officials and fans will be very skeptical of the NFL trying to put another team in the city. The relationship between the city and the league is beyond repair for the foreseeable future. I think we'll be perfectly happy with our Battlehawks, whose every ticket and jersey sold is a middle finger to Stan Kroenke and the National Farceball League.
I'm a Missouri native, down in the Southwest region of the state so we have a lot of crossover down here. Cardinals baseball in the summer, Chiefs football and Blues hockey in the winter. Later on became a huge Sporting Kansas City fan after the 2013 MLS Cup run. I was never a die hard Rams fan since the Chiefs have my heart but they were fun to watch during The Greatest Show on Turf era. All that said, Stan Kroenke can take a long walk off a short bridge as far as I'm concerned. He screwed over a great sports city.
@@emoo.182 I understand, same reason I couldn't get into the Rams. I didn't hate them and wanted them to do well, but I was born and raised within the Chiefs Kingdom.
@@emoo.182 I adopted the Chiefs after the Rams left, but when the NFL blacked out almost every one in the state of Missouri besides the immediate KC metro area on last year's playoff game that was televised on Peacock PPV, I decided that's it after the season was over. St. Louis is really not considered Chief's Kingdom, according to the NFL.
@@TS-wh4ey honestly I just can't do it. I wanted to convert to the chiefs especially since they used to have old rams head coach dick vermeil and old players like Trent Green and Dante Hall but now I just can't stand them. With the Kelce Taylor swift thing that drew the last straw for me 😂😂😂
@@emoo.182 😂..well the whole league has become a joke. I'm hoping the newly merged XFL/USFL league will continue to expand and become more popular. St. Louis Battlehawks are one of the better teams and the Dome is packed and rowdy every home game. I say let's go Hawks and the hell with the NFL.
St Louis has one major disadvantage compared to other cities--it is not full of billionaires and millionaires who will pay hundreds of thousands for luxury boxes. Period. That's the issue. It is not one of America's "beautiful people" cities. St louis is a blue collar city not an MBA filled finance bro city and that is the problem. An owner in St Louis will be expected to pay his own bills rather than pass them off to the plebs in the form of public funding. Being wealthy in St Louis will not get you invited to parties to rub elbows with the glitterati, politicians, etc. What's the point of being there is the owner can't live on a free ride? This is why the A's want out of Oakland, btw. It was never about being a "football town" or not. It was always about owner ego stroking. The Rams could have won 20 superbowls and they would have moved back to LA. The Cardinals could have won 20 superbowls and they would still have moved. This was never about football and always about owner small penis syndrome.
But what about green bay? Not exactly palm trees and finance bros up there. Yet the team will never leave that ice box. (Yes I know the ownership is a little different)
1:37 there’s at least 1 more St. Louis sports franchise… the St. Louis Hawks who notably drafted Bill Russell before trading him away to the Boston Celtics where he’d become the winningest champion in team sports history
And don't forget the wild and wacky Spirits of St Louis in the ABA! Bob Costas as the neophyte radio/TV play by play guy just out of college! I went to a few of those games as a teenager. What a collection of stars I was seeing without truly appreciating it. The old Barn!
The Rams always belongs to Los Angeles. Why was it a surprise that the Rams would go back to a city they called home for 50 years before Georgia moved them to her hometown of St. Louis?
@@jangamecuber ufl should pick up oakland, san diego, okc, portland, slc, austin, raleigh, etc and get some better team names and logos. the nfl is wounded right now they should press em
St. Louis not Jacksonville should’ve received the team in the 1995 expansion draft. The Jaguars should relocate to St. Louis and still remain in the AFC South with nearby cities Nashville and Indianapolis. St. Louis Fans are some of the best fans I’ve ever seen!!
Let's not forget STL had a nice looking Riverfront stadium proposal that Stan wouldn't even look at. NFL kept moving the goal line back Everytime at Louis made a new stadium proposal achievement
Kronke is a real estate investor and developer and moving the Rams to LA was 100% a real estate play. He doesn’t care where he grew up, just that there was a lot of money to be made.
But he was brought in to the ownership group specifically because he was a Midwestern guy, so they wouldn't all be from California. He also promised he wouldn't move them out of st Louis, the greedy money hungry jerk!
@@markcornish2519Also his in-laws now own the Broncos which is probably a conflict of interest but I don't know the specifics of that stuff. What I do know is that the sniveling weasel ought to take some other name, because he doesn't deserve the greatness of his namesakes Enos Slaughter and Stan Musial.
As an Eagles fan and former division rival of the Cards, I'd love to see NFL football back in STL. I just don't think it's happening though. The Big 4 North American leagues have been looking to expand to growing population centers. Nowadays that's mainly the coasts, south/southeast, and southwest. The closest I could see the NFL getting to STL in the near future would be Louisville, but even that seems unlikely seeing how Louisville is relatively close to both Indianapolis and Cincinnati.
Jackson and Jamaal Charles suffered from basically the same plight at the same time, except that Charles' Chiefs also had Tony Gonzalez to help bolster the offense. The Rams had, uh, Tavon Austin?
I don’t think I can ever trust the NFL enough to want another team in St. Louis. Why get emotionally invested in a team that they are just going to take away and give to another city in a few years?
1. Kronke is NOT from St Louis... Columbia is 2 hours away from St Louis, it's actually closer to Jefferson City than St Louis 2. The city actually had public meetings with fans in 2014 & 2015 with cameras to try to fight the move, even though NFL had already decided to move 3. Kronke still owed the city $100,000,000 for the dome in St Louis when he left, and the city won a antitrust suit for $700,000,000, which Kronke has yet to pay on
@@markcornish2519 I seem to remember that the single owner was finally given a lump sum to just get rid of it. I just looked. 2014, the NBA settled with a lump sum of 500 million. What haul.
St. Louis has been the home of four National Football League (NFL) franchises. Three years after the NFL was founded in 1920, it accepted the St. Louis All-Stars as a franchise for the 1923 NFL season. The team finished 1-4-2 in league play, and a 2-5-2 overall record while finishing fourteenth in the standings. The team's first NFL game was on October 7, 1923, and it ended in a 0-0 tie as they played on the road against the Green Bay Packers. A week later they played to another 0-0 tie in their first home game, against the Hammond Pros, a traveling team from Hammond, Indiana. St. Louis played at Sportsman's Park, a facility that also hosted both of the professional baseball teams in the city: the Cardinals and the Browns. Their sole victory came on November 11, 1923, when they defeated the Oorang Indians (from LaRue, Ohio), 14-7. The second franchise was the St. Louis Gunners. The Gunners were an independent professional football team that played the last three games of the 1934 National Football League season, replacing the Cincinnati Reds on the league schedule after the Reds' league membership was suspended. They won their first game against the Pittsburgh Pirates (now Steelers) 6-0, but lost the last two to the Detroit Lions (40-7) and the Green Bay Packers (21-14). Six of the Reds players joined the team for the last two games. The team was headquartered at the St. Louis National Guard Armory, which accounts for its nickname the 'Gunners then the big red and then finally the rams . So St Louis has been screw four times by the NFL
32 is the perfect number for a sports league as it can be evenly broken down to 1. Jaguars should go to St Louis. Or just have a Rugby team instead since Rugby is better than American Football anyway
The Cardinals did not make the playoffs in the 60s, or at least did not have a shot at a championship. The NFL used to have the Playoff Bowl, which matched up the second-place teams of each division between 1960 and 1966. Between 1967 and 1969 it was between the losers of the divisional playoff games. The Playoff Bowl is generally considered an exhibition. The Cardinals beat the Green Bay Packers in the 1964 Playoff Bowl 24-17. It raised money for NFL players pension fund. Packers coach Vince Lombardi hated the Playoff Bowl with a passion, calling it the S--- Bowl.
Could've sworn the MLB wanted me to hate it. But seriously, by moving teams to Phoenix and L.A the NFL really does treat St. Louis like the gateway to the West. Don't forget the NBA's St. Louis Hawks would end up following that Atlanta plan just a few years after the Cards considered it.
Hell, I don't understand how a place like LA has a team, every team to play there has left, then take a truck load of money to go back and after the new wears off, their back to no crowds,no fans,and a half ass stadium, but hey in a few yr.s the raiders will move back.
@@ronnielester2933Meh, LA didn't give the Rams any money to get them back from St. Louis. Kroenke paid out of his own pocket to build the stadium. I guess he figured even with that billion plus expense, it'd still make him more money to be in LA. It's hard to shed any tears for STL, since they did pay to build a stadium to get the Rams from LA in the first place. You can't steal a team from another city and then be upset when they leave you for greener pastures. The owners have already shown that they are just mercenaries looking for the most money.
Kansas City could claim that title too. The A's passed through there on their way from Philly, there was an NHL team that started there and moved to Denver after only two miserable seasons (they're now in New Jersey though), and the NBA's Sacramento Kings used to play in KC as well.
this is such a wild thing to stumble across especially after seeing a recent stat that Missouri has the 2nd most number of players drafted to the leauge currently.
I think if the Greatest Show on Turf beat the Patriots in SB XXXVI the Rams would still he in St Louis today. There's a lot to be said about the power of a second championship.
I agree because if that happened, even with Kurt's injuries in 02 he probably would've stayed QB and who knows how many Superbowls STL could've had. That said even tho I'm still bitter and it sucks in just thankful they were even here in the first place. It was an honor to watch those legends play
Tom Brady has squashed a lot of other team’s dreams. STL Carolina Atlanta Seattle 2nd (and back to back) KC 1st afc championship but he did help Tampa Bay so there’s that
@@wizard1687The Raiders won the Super Bowl in 1976 and 1980 and left for Los Angeles in 1982 and won the Super Bowl in 1983 12 years later they left LA for Oakland and in 2020 move to Las Vegas
Random but: the Rams lost the SB to the team that was suppose to be in St. Louis, lost the playoffs to one of the expansion teams that could’ve been in St. Louis, lost the next year to a city their first team was almost sent to, and then they lost their QB to the first team that was in St. Louis 😭
It’s kinda poverty here right now, the cardinals are middling at best, and the blues are so and so. I could really use a NFL football team right about now…
City SC is extremely meh too. The BattleHawks funny enough are the most successful STL team currently and even they had a bit of a disappointing end to their season.
Growing up in the mid-2000s made me hate football. Every Sunday, just watching the Rams get their ass spanked and wasting Steven Jackson's career. Draft bust after draft bust after draft bust. How Les Snead has a job still, I don't know.
@@Ryan-hn8yxsame bro it SUCKED after the gsot I mean it was miserable at some times but I loved the rams since I was like 2-3 so I kinda got to see a little bit of the GSOT and I loved them so much and just rode that high 😂 I even had a VHS tape of the 99 season and I watched that everyday as a little kid (born in 98 here)
I went to Football Cardinals games sporadically in my school days, but as a Minnesota transplant, I was a Vikings fan all the way. I was at the last Cardinals game at Busch Stadium in StL. It was bizarre not having a pro football team in town. I thought StL deserved the expansion team that went to Jacksonville as repayment for Bidwell screwing the City, but the effort was disorganized and Tagliaboo had this "expand to the South" obsession. So when the Rams moved here finally in 1995, I was all in just to support having NFL football back. I bought a PSL with a group of 6, and had season tickets for the first 10 years, 95 to 2005. I was at all the games in 95 when the first 4 home games were played outside at Busch Stadium. What good times those were, the enthusiasm,the excitement, the tailgating. I love outdoor football and it's too bad the new Stadium was a Dome. It was hard to get used to the big echoey concrete dark Dome, but at least we had football. Then 1999 magically happened under Warner, Faulk, Bruce and Holt etc and we were witnessing the Greatest Show on Turf! What a season. I was at every home game and both the playoff games in 98 (my Vikings aaghh, and the NFC CHAMP game vs Tampa Bay) and the noise and atmosphere in the Dome was deafening and crazy all year as we knew this team was special. The playoffs were insane and I couldn't believe the Rams not only went but won the SB!! The next 2 years were pretty fun too with another playoff run in 2001 and a 2nd SB trip in 3 years. I was at all those games and the playoff games again. Very cool seeing 2 NFC CHAMPIONSHIPS in person. Didn't go to the SBs though. The team remained pretty good the next 4 or 5 years, but there was the inevitable decline as some of the stars moved on to other teams. In 2005 or 06 we decided to sell our 6 season ticket PSLs (got our full $1000 back for each), as I had more child obligations with their sports teams etc. But the crowds were always 60,000 + and near sell outs. I admit though, it was hard sitting in that loud echoey dark Dome on gorgeous fall days. The downturn in attendance didn't come until 1) the team went back to being bad and not making the playoffs and 2) Kranky started making threats to leave if Stadium was not upgraded etc. Little did we know that a plan was already in the works to get the Rams back to Hollywood. The NFL wanted an anchor franchise back in La La Land, and once Kranky got control of majority ownership of the Rams, he did everything possible to defraud Rams fans and St Louis. The whole "Stadium was inadequate and needed to be modernized etc" when it was only 20 or so years old was the same old song and dance StL had been through before and was absurd. But StL got screwed again and rightfully sued Kranky and the NFL. Once again, a bad taste left in the mouths of football fans. I despise Kranky, he's a fraudulent crook. Thank god for college football. At least I have the memories.
Anecdotally, you are absolutely right about Stan Kroenke being quite the unpopular figure in Saint Louis. During the Rams vs Bengals super bowl, everyone I knew, and ask, and heard, all were rooting for the Bengals and not the Rams. Besides my dad. A sample size of about 25 or so people, so not the hugest sample size but still. And I'd agree with the assessment that Saint Louis definitely cares about winning, you'll still see people wearing old rams gear out on the streets and stuff, with the yellow-blue colours, less so the dark blue-gold colour scheme even though they wore those colours for much longer in Saint Louis.
I was super conflicted because I am a Chiefs fan and was kinda salty that the Bengals had just beaten them in the AFC championship. Needless to say the past two years have made up for it lol.
@Gage_Brumley I'm a KC boy but the momentum with the Bengals that year was absolutely electric, I couldn't even be mad they were in the finals instead of us. It was a blast to see such a raw team get so far on pluck and energy.
Would have rather said STL is the only Rams team to ever win than say we’re tied. But if you get 2-3X the time then I’d say call us when you have more than when you have them up. Also that SB 49 add where we said F*** you Stan is hilarious.
Frankly, having two palm trees on the LA Rams championship rings makes sense. They were the LA Rams before they were the St. Louis Rams and are now again the LA Rams. So it's the same franchise that keeps playing musical cities.
@@coreylevine8095incorrect. The two palm trees are next to a replica of the Lombardi trophy on the ring and symbolize their two Superbowl victories. The palm trees also have 26 diamonds in them which symbolize all Rams postseason victories since the Cleveland days until present. The Rams have a total of 4 Championships, not two. So since they included all postseason victories and not only LA Rams victories, they weren't ignoring the championships when the franchise was in other cities than LA. 1945 (NFL Championship as Cleveland Rams) 1951 (NFL Championship as LA Rams) 2000 (Super Bowl XXXIV as St. Louis Rams) 2022 (Super Bowl LVI as LA Rams)
After 2004 the Rams were winning 1-6 games a year until the move to LA. Fans were putting up with that for years. But after 2013 most weren’t showing up except the die hard fans because it was clear they were leaving. I remember one excuse was “St Louis isn’t a three team town.” It is, over the decades that’s been made pretty clear.
Something that should be mentioned by the late 80s/early 90s, the midwest, had been dying a slow death for a long time and didn't show signs of coming back any time soon. The southeast was growing and didn't show any signs of slowing down. That was a huge factor in the panthers and jags being the two expansion teams at the time.
I was a kid when the Greatest Show on Turf won the super bowl. They were my heros and I was a dedicated, die hard Rams fan, even when I moved far away from the Lou. But the way Kronke and the Rams front office gave the middle finger to the city... I now despise the Rams, the city of Los Angeles, and will never support the Rams again. Until the NFL moves back in, I'll just be happy as a B-Hawks fan
Unfortunately San Antonio did the same thing for an expansion bid in 1993, and is now stuck with the Alamodome. Luckily it gets some use, the Spurs were there from 1993 - 2002 and hosts the Alamo Bowl, UTSA college football and several big concerts and events.
9:22 now I'm thinking of Days of our Steelers with that music. It's not the same but it really is the same beats just not the same sound. That's awesome
The Rams started in Cleveland, Ohio. Before moving to Los Angeles, St. Louis, back to LA. The Cardinals football, started in Chicago, before moving to St. Louis.
Football in STL has always been fraught with difficulty, because of the horrible luck of having two pathetic excuses for human beings as majority owners (not Georgia, obviously). It's just been beyond unfortunate.
I grew up in St. Louis and while the surrounding counties are thriving the city has been slowly dying for the last 40 years. The Rams leaving was just a result of the failures of the city. Unfortunately the city continues to go downhill and there is no end in sight.
Born and raised in St.Louis I wholeheartedly supported the Football Cardinals and the Rams. The NFL and the owners are all about the money and marketing, they don’t give a damn about the fans and their loyalty to the team, or the city they play in. When the Rams left I had to decide what team I wanted to follow because I love the game and needed a new team to root for. The Chiefs seemed to be the obvious choice but who’s to say that they won’t up and move to a new city with a better bigger market meaning more money. I realized that this could happen to any team in any city. Except Green Bay. A city with a population of just over 100,000. Could definitely fair well in any bigger city. But they aren’t going anywhere. The fans who own the team will never let that happen. A big middle finger to the NFL and their owners. A team with a great history and a tradition of winning. I’ve been a Packers fan ever since. And I know that I’m not the only one in the St.Louis area. Every football fan I stated this observation to understands my point. I even converted some Chiefs fans. I think there are just as many Packers fans in Missouri as there are Chiefs fans. Go Pack Go!
Thank you for making this video, as someone who was born in '96 I was too young to remember the good days and truly became a fan once the team was in decline. I remember vividly the whole circus of the NFL making it seem there was a chance that St. Louis could keep the team, the public hearing, the last minute new stadium plan that at the time lost the city millions of dollars. The countless lies spewed just to keep the unaware fan engaged. And then everything said afterwards, how badly they poisoned the well and deliberately took shots at the city just to justify their shady actions. It was a real kick to the nuts. And then I had people saying "Oh well the attendance has been bad for years", You try getting people to care about a team that won 6 games in 3 years. SIX! Would I ever want or support an NFL team in St. Louis? Sure, but it have to steady local ownership with a committed desire to stay in St. Louis. However, do I ever think St. Louis will get a team again? Its unlikely at best sadly.
Lifelong St. Louis sports fan. 42 years old. Nice video, great job. I completely stopped watching the NFL when the Rams left St. Louis. Not because they left, but HOW. Had it been handled better I would probably still be a Rams fan, but with how poorly it was handled, I quit the NFL entirely. I didn’t choose another team to root for, and I definitely wasn’t going to support the Rams any longer. Part of me was happy for the old school LA Rams fans for getting their team back, but at my core I couldn’t get over how poorly the move was handled, so I decided to wash my hands completely. I don’t even support St. Louis getting another team. I definitely don’t support relocation to the city, and I do not support an expansion team. The NFL can rot in hell as far as I’m concerned. St. Louis doesn’t need the NFL. Kaw is the law now.
My grandpa had season tickets and i remember them changing concessions also to drive down attendance and make it seem like people didn’t want to go among other things
Is ridiculous I was a rams fan my whole childhood. Then the KC ownership were one of the top organizations responsible for the Rams leaving. Then we are supposed to like the Chiefs? I was raised to hate the chiefs. I just want a team back. I would literally root for Bryce Young.
As a native of St. Louis, I wouldn't say St. Louis won the lawsuit. I would think they won if they caused ACTUALLY DAMAGE to the NFL. Force the NFL to give a billion+ dollars
I am from Baltimore. I can relate. We just lucked out that we got Art Modell, who was so financially wounded by the move that he had to sell and that Steve Bisciotti was here...
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Let's face it the whole video is good, but the low-key shade on the lag jaguars
They would be the ones to practice in a park if a team would.that is the gold here ❤
Duval let's slide 🛝 🤪 😏 😜
You forgot St. Louis City SC
Thank you for this video!!! That was a very cool trip down memory lane I work for the St. Louis Rams from 2000 to 2004…
As someone born and raised in St Louis, thank you for this video. Growing up I really liked the blues, LOVED the Cardinals but my favorite was always the Rams. Getting to grow up with guys Like Kurt Warner, Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt was such a privilege. I will always be grateful for their time here. At least we'll always have them and coming up in September the Cardinals are going to be honoring the SB34 Champion St Louis Rams!!! They can't ever take that championship away from STL and I'm just thankful that, that happened here
Even more sad is that St. Louis has had to watch Kansas City win three Super Bowls after the Rams left town.
Don't forget the Rams winning a championship too
@@BakaBroski24 years ago. The Chiefs have 3 recently and 2 of the last championships. Copeium levels are high in blood.
@@abdulrahmanaladwani7379 this video is about the St Louis Rams, not the Los Angeles Rams.
Not me. I like the Chiefs.
Plus I got tagged in the comment for whatever reason. I made my own comment elsewhere. I blame UA-cam for the problem with the comment section. They made me feel like you were attached to my initial comment.
You left out a really important detail. Stan told the city of St. Louis the Rams would stay if they paid for a $40 Million renovation to the stadium. We gave him the money...and he ran to LA with it. HE STOLE 40 MILLION DOLLARS FROM ST. LOUIS TAX PAYERS
and don't forget about the St. Louis Hawks, it's been a few years, but St. Louis once had a basketball team too. I think they left even before the Blues were created. Fun fact, it was the Chicago Blackhawks, who would often play "home" games in St. Louis from time to time that pushed for a St. Louis expansion team in the NHL.
The NBA team left in 1968 and actually won a championship in the 50s for a second there we had all 4 lol
Hearing the Blackhawks were the "home" team for St. Louis occasionally to drum up interest in an NHL team for STL made me throw up in my mouth a little bit.
Those home games by the Black Hawks were between the Arena having an AHL team pre early 50s and before the Blackhawks moved a different minor league team there in the 50s pre-expansion. The owner.owned the stadium and wanted it used.
Blackhawks owner Norris owned the arena in St Louis. He made a condition to the other 5 owners before the 1967 expansion that St Louis would get a team & the owners would buy the arena off of him or else he wouldn't support the expansion. Norris was the reason St Louis got a team & Buffalo had to wait.
The Atlanta Hawks used to be the St. Louis Hawks until the Blues came to town . Ben Kerner realized that he would have a tough time competing for ticket sales against the Blues, so he sold the team.
Stan didn’t grow up in St. Louis. He grew up in Columbia, MO, which is halfway between KC and St. Louis. That’s like saying someone who was born in Richmond, VA grew up in D.C. They are completely different cities 2 hours apart.
True but everyone from stl loves the Columbia Missouri Tigers id imagine Kronke had to of loved the St Louis Cardinals football team
@@emoo.182I doubt this. Most people in this state outside of an hour of the city were Chiefs fanatics.
I lived next to it and they were more loyal Chiefs fans when they were both shite.
Stanley Enos Kroenke was named for two of the greatest St Louis Cardinals of all time, Stan Musial and Enos Slaughter. He may have grown up in Columbia, but don’t pretend like he didn’t have massive ties to St Louis.
@@jasonkoch3182He were born before the Royals and Chiefs came
@@jasonkoch3182 He didn't name himself. All that means is that his parents probably cared more about STL sports than he did.
He had the ties, but apparently only reluctantly. Where he grew up is basically halfway between St. Louis and Kansas City. People are just as likely to be KC sports fans as STL, and based on the utter crap he pulled in 2016 I'm inclined to think he felt no true closeness to the city. Cared much more about that bottom line than any geographical proximity to STL, in any case.
And all of this underscoring the original comment: the fact remains that he did not grow up here. Columbia is far away.
As a St. Louisan, there are 3 things that are mandatory, non-negotiable items for an NFL team to even be under serious consideration:
1. Must be a new team with a new ownership group that has ties to the area. (Bonus points if they keep the Battlehawks)
2. A new stadium needs to be built, and it MUST be 100% privately funded. The NFL burned the bridge of receiving any kind of public subsidy around here back in 2016.
3. There has to be at least a 50 year no-movement clause as part of the new team's organization.
The NFL *might* accommodate the 1st item, but you're more likely to get struck by lightning while watching a Jeff Fisher team finish a season above .500 before the NFL accepts #2 and #3 lol
@@EjP2396 def a good list 👍🏾
Bingo. St. Louis isn’t going to lift a finger to bring the NFL back. The way Kroenke and Goodell salted the earth on the way out pretty much solidified that.
Also recognize the Battlehawks history as an official part of the franchise
No team will ever move or stay without public funding, because someone else is always to pay to get those sweet sweet tax dollars
St. Louis voters will approve public funding if it’s not the majority of team funding. That said, if an ownership group is willing to pay the money, the NFL won’t say no - they just want money; don’t care where it’s from.
The third point will likely never happen.
Little bit you left out. The NFL gave the Cardinals the go-ahead to relocate to St. Louis to block out any potential expansion from the then AFL into the STL market. Without the Cardinals relocating, it's very possible STL would have gotten an AFL franchise that eventually would have merged into the NFL in 1970.
I don’t believe the AFL would of went to stl because of kc
@@johnmackshighlights8103 I feel like in hindsight it would have made more sense for the AFL to place a team in a larger city like St Louis instead of somewhere like Buffalo. Yeah the Kansas City Chiefs would have been nearby but I think it could have worked out.
@@johnmackshighlights8103They was the Dallas Texans at the time
@@johnmackshighlights8103 The AFL wasn't in Kansas City when the league first started. The Chiefs were originally the Dallas Texans. It wasn't until their third year that they moved to KC and changed the name to the Chiefs.
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The similarities between the Cardinals and Rams situations before moving to St. Louis are kinda wild. Both teams were owned by widows who inherited the team from their husband. Both teams came from cities that had another team that was more popular then them(Bears and Raiders). Both teams had stadium issues and played in Baseball stadiums not meant for football.
The Raiders also left LA in '95, so that tells you a lot about LA as a football town.
As a St. Louis native, my two biggest childhood heartbreaks were the 2004 world series and superbowl XXXVI. If I could only have one of them done over, as much as I loved the 04 Cardinals, they were never in danger of relocation. Two superbowls in three years would've made it that much tougher for the Rams to leave.
It sucks when a team dumps your city. I grew up in Houston and was a big Oilers fan until they left when I was in high school. The timing was good, because I stopped watching NFL and just followed college football. All these years later, my college team has never threatened to leave my alma mater if they don't build them a new stadium 😊
One of the weird things is I’ve been inside Kurt Warner’s house that he lived in while in St Louis. There is legitimately a trophy case with the dimensions to fit the smaller Lombardi trophy each team member gets in the kitchen + the MVP award Warner received and the countertops are blue marble with gold accent lights (Rams colors). But now to my knowledge that trophy case sits practically empty, almost perfectly symbolizing the hole the Rams made when they left. The Rams were good (as were the football Cardinals) so I wish they could’ve stuck around but alas, the taste towards them is bittersweet especially with Kroenke.
the saddest thing about the city is its an absolutely beautiful city. with so much history but it’s slowly being left behind. i cant wait for people to realize why its such an amazing city and place to be.
Amazing place to be? Highest murder rates in the country with not so good weather, st louis blows, cant wait to leave
I went there last year and was intrigued by the history of it. It does seem to be forgotten because it doesn't seem to have any type of tie in with much other than being on the Mississippi back when river travel was the prominent mode of transportation. As an outsider when you think of St Louis you think of the Gateway Arch and not much else. Even with Anheuser-Busch. When people think of a city and beer Milwaukee comes to mind first.
@@area.man. there’s a lot of really cool architecture but other than one or two cool buildings its kinda just there.
The problem with it is that it’s a lawless shithole. Also 20 years ago, the nightlife there was pretty good. It’s terrible now.
@@suitednate2012 That is the other part you think of as an outsider to St Louis, but I wanted a native to say it 🤣. I am glad the Cardinals game I went to was a 1 PM game, I've heard it can be interesting after a night game by Busch Stadium.
Born and raised in STL. I don't know many people that want another NFL Team. They fucked the city over. Kaw is the law now baby!
Ka-Kaw!
Kaaaaa Kaaaaaaaw
KA-KAW!!
Kaw Kaw! But I still want an NFL team.😢If St Louis got an NFL team I’d still remain a Ravens fan, however I’d attend many games and be a big supporter. Winning a Super Bowl then followed by celebration all through the city would bring light to St Louis that it hasn’t seen since the Blues won the Cup 6 years ago.
As someone who lives in St. Louis let me give you a little insight as to where they fucked up. They signed a deal to where the Rams had to be in the top 10 in attendance for x amount of years or the team couldn't move and that's exactly what happened. It sucks but the city shot itself in the foot. Then we got the settlement and we don't know where that money went because they're not using it to help the city at all
The trolley lmaoooo
Agreed they should've never did that deal as a fan when I found out about that I was like wtf 😂 and yea I still bring that up that the 800 mill just disappeared!! We have so much that needs to be done in this city. Personally I wish we could've gotten an expansion team instead since I knew that money wasn't gonna go to a single citizen like you and me. At minimum they shouldve given every season ticket holder 1k for the rams loss
You can see what they’re using the rams settlement money for on the city government website. It’s all public record. You’re just ignorant.
(Also from STL).Kroenkes mission from the time he bought the team was to move them to LA. He did everything possible to make that happen. STL had no chance at keeping the Rams, it was a done deal from the beginning. The Dome was 20 years old when they left. The Rams had fantastic attendance when the rams were good. But with a lack of investment and terrible teams the fans quit showing up. My Dad had season tickets until 2010, we got mizzou football tickets instead. Once they announced a possible move to LA the fans gave up and boycotted the rams.
The stadium sucked. I went to a game where the lights caught on fire. The fans were passionate but nobody wanted to go to the Edward Jones Dome. And that’s a fact
From 1999 - 2005 St Louis was one of the hardest places to play in regard to how loud it was and how good the team was. No problem with sustaining a football team. But then when you go 10 years without a winning team AND talks of leaving, that's going to cripple any team anywhere.
As an Oakland fan, I feel bad for St Louis. If I decided to get into the XFL the Battlehawks would definately be my team, I get the sense they've got a similar atmosphere to the A's atmosphere today with the games having a lot of coop people out protesting a billionare owner who screwed over the city.
as a st louis fan i appreciate your support, its such a shame that the A's are leaving town. i've been a big fan of the reverse boycotts and constant chanting of sell the team. i'm praying on las vegas' downfall for you
It's somewhat done in protest but there is a genuine love for the BattleHawks in St Louis
St. Louis and Oakland are two of the greatest consistently screwed-over sports cities in the country. At least y'all have teams in San Francisco (yeah, yeah, crosstown rivals, whatever).
I remember hearing that Baltimore was snubbed by the NHL in the 1967 expansion for St. Louis, which back then had a stadium in worse condition than Baltimore. With them losing the Rams, I now understand why the Blues are so crucial to that city.
Thank you for doing this video. It made me sick hearing national media buy into the narrative that St. Louis was a bad fan base and the city wouldn’t pay for a new stadium and that’s the reason for relocating, when ownership was obviously tanking for the last decade before the move so they could drive down attendance and blame the city on their way out
Former STL Rams fan here. I don't think St. Louis fans would want another NFL team, simply because they might get shafted again. That said, Stan Kroenke can do a lot of things that I won't print here.
I’m fine with ethier way I bleed Mizzou ball now
I would try and get to a game or 2 a year
If St Louis were to get a team again surely there would be measures in place to ensure the team is firmly rooted in the city. Local ownership that is passionate about the city and a 50 year minimum stadium lease would be a must. Bad franchise/stadium arrangements is what doomed the Rams from the start here.
If the team is built in the Lou, for the Lou, sure. But after the city sued the NFL, I doubt the NFL would want to put one here
Yeah, I think St. Louis officials and fans will be very skeptical of the NFL trying to put another team in the city. The relationship between the city and the league is beyond repair for the foreseeable future. I think we'll be perfectly happy with our Battlehawks, whose every ticket and jersey sold is a middle finger to Stan Kroenke and the National Farceball League.
I'm from STL as well and I'd take a franchise in a heartbeat. I love the Battlehawks but it's just not the same man
The fact that you used the Twister soundtrack in this is amazing. I love it
I'm a Missouri native, down in the Southwest region of the state so we have a lot of crossover down here. Cardinals baseball in the summer, Chiefs football and Blues hockey in the winter. Later on became a huge Sporting Kansas City fan after the 2013 MLS Cup run. I was never a die hard Rams fan since the Chiefs have my heart but they were fun to watch during The Greatest Show on Turf era. All that said, Stan Kroenke can take a long walk off a short bridge as far as I'm concerned. He screwed over a great sports city.
I'm from St Louis and im sorry I just can't get myself to the root for the chiefs. It's not the same 😭
@@emoo.182 I understand, same reason I couldn't get into the Rams. I didn't hate them and wanted them to do well, but I was born and raised within the Chiefs Kingdom.
@@emoo.182
I adopted the Chiefs after the Rams left, but when the NFL blacked out almost every one in the state of Missouri besides the immediate KC metro area on last year's playoff game that was televised on Peacock PPV, I decided that's it after the season was over. St. Louis is really not considered Chief's Kingdom, according to the NFL.
@@TS-wh4ey honestly I just can't do it. I wanted to convert to the chiefs especially since they used to have old rams head coach dick vermeil and old players like Trent Green and Dante Hall but now I just can't stand them. With the Kelce Taylor swift thing that drew the last straw for me 😂😂😂
@@emoo.182
😂..well the whole league has become a joke. I'm hoping the newly merged XFL/USFL league will continue to expand and become more popular. St. Louis Battlehawks are one of the better teams and the Dome is packed and rowdy every home game. I say let's go Hawks and the hell with the NFL.
Rams shouldn’t have went to St. Louis to begin with. Sucks that that happened but they should have always been in LA
St Louis has one major disadvantage compared to other cities--it is not full of billionaires and millionaires who will pay hundreds of thousands for luxury boxes. Period. That's the issue. It is not one of America's "beautiful people" cities. St louis is a blue collar city not an MBA filled finance bro city and that is the problem. An owner in St Louis will be expected to pay his own bills rather than pass them off to the plebs in the form of public funding.
Being wealthy in St Louis will not get you invited to parties to rub elbows with the glitterati, politicians, etc. What's the point of being there is the owner can't live on a free ride? This is why the A's want out of Oakland, btw. It was never about being a "football town" or not. It was always about owner ego stroking. The Rams could have won 20 superbowls and they would have moved back to LA. The Cardinals could have won 20 superbowls and they would still have moved. This was never about football and always about owner small penis syndrome.
Facts
But what about green bay? Not exactly palm trees and finance bros up there. Yet the team will never leave that ice box. (Yes I know the ownership is a little different)
And they don’t vote to support the teams. There is that
i mean cincinatti, jacksonville, cleveland, kc, green bay, buffalo, and probly others arent exactly cosmopolitan meccas
@@patrickjeffers7864totally different fan base-the OWNERS ARE the FAN BASE..we need MORE of that!.
1:37 there’s at least 1 more St. Louis sports franchise… the St. Louis Hawks who notably drafted Bill Russell before trading him away to the Boston Celtics where he’d become the winningest champion in team sports history
And don't forget the wild and wacky Spirits of St Louis in the ABA! Bob Costas as the neophyte radio/TV play by play guy just out of college! I went to a few of those games as a teenager. What a collection of stars I was seeing without truly appreciating it. The old Barn!
I live here in the Lou, never understood the hate this city gets, when in fact this area is absolutely beautiful……… a great Midwest city.
I remember when the Blues almost moved to Saskatoon.
They really didn't the NHL voted it down
Where in the hell is Saskatoon?
@@dfp_01Saskatchewan
The Rams always belongs to Los Angeles. Why was it a surprise that the Rams would go back to a city they called home for 50 years before Georgia moved them to her hometown of St. Louis?
It’s time for the NFL to expand again. St. Louis and San Antonio ready to go . Both have stadiums and fan base.
OKC and Birmingham would also be good new expansion spots
If, God forbid, the UFL were to dissolve, the least the NFL could do is bring in the BattleHawks, Brahmas, and Stallions.
@@jangamecuber ufl should pick up oakland, san diego, okc, portland, slc, austin, raleigh, etc and get some better team names and logos. the nfl is wounded right now they should press em
I'm from St. Louis and it broke my heart when the Rams left and I am still pissed we don't have a professional basketball team...Cmon NBA!!!
The nba has a deal with the Hawks. Fomer owner to not have a nba team in Stl
St. Louis not Jacksonville should’ve received the team in the 1995 expansion draft. The Jaguars should relocate to St. Louis and still remain in the AFC South with nearby cities Nashville and Indianapolis. St. Louis Fans are some of the best fans I’ve ever seen!!
The major theme here is no more relocations to St. Louis.
You forgot to mention coach Steve Spagnolo former Giants Defensive Coordinator and now Chiefs Defensive coordinator
Nice to see you here BlackFlagsMatter!
Let's not forget STL had a nice looking Riverfront stadium proposal that Stan wouldn't even look at. NFL kept moving the goal line back Everytime at Louis made a new stadium proposal achievement
Where was it going to be located?
9:21 Why I was getting Days of our Steelers memories from the track alone? Lol
Glad it's not just me lol
Days of our Cardinals lol
@@TheGameCube64Guy Even better
Kronke is a real estate investor and developer and moving the Rams to LA was 100% a real estate play. He doesn’t care where he grew up, just that there was a lot of money to be made.
But he was brought in to the ownership group specifically because he was a Midwestern guy, so they wouldn't all be from California. He also promised he wouldn't move them out of st Louis, the greedy money hungry jerk!
@@markcornish2519Also his in-laws now own the Broncos which is probably a conflict of interest but I don't know the specifics of that stuff. What I do know is that the sniveling weasel ought to take some other name, because he doesn't deserve the greatness of his namesakes Enos Slaughter and Stan Musial.
As an Eagles fan and former division rival of the Cards, I'd love to see NFL football back in STL. I just don't think it's happening though. The Big 4 North American leagues have been looking to expand to growing population centers. Nowadays that's mainly the coasts, south/southeast, and southwest. The closest I could see the NFL getting to STL in the near future would be Louisville, but even that seems unlikely seeing how Louisville is relatively close to both Indianapolis and Cincinnati.
SJ39 is so underrated. If Clown man Kronke wasn’t trying to tank all those years he could’ve been a hall of famer
So that’s why Blues fans hate The Avalanche lol 😂
@@AVSFAITHFUL25 Yep. Kroenke is a turd.
Jackson and Jamaal Charles suffered from basically the same plight at the same time, except that Charles' Chiefs also had Tony Gonzalez to help bolster the offense. The Rams had, uh, Tavon Austin?
@@AVSFAITHFUL25They're also division rivals and one of your former players kept taking unnecessary potshots at ours
@ don’t forget about the pint-sized machine of a slot receiver Michael Hoomanawanui and the 4 young offensive tackles they had filling out their line
I don’t think I can ever trust the NFL enough to want another team in St. Louis. Why get emotionally invested in a team that they are just going to take away and give to another city in a few years?
STL GOT ITS OWN SRS EPISODE HELL YEAH I LIVE HERE!
This content is amazing, glad i found this channel
1. Kronke is NOT from St Louis... Columbia is 2 hours away from St Louis, it's actually closer to Jefferson City than St Louis
2. The city actually had public meetings with fans in 2014 & 2015 with cameras to try to fight the move, even though NFL had already decided to move
3. Kronke still owed the city $100,000,000 for the dome in St Louis when he left, and the city won a antitrust suit for $700,000,000, which Kronke has yet to pay on
That wasn't an antitrust suit. That was a breach of contract suit.
St Louis was the city that drafted Bill Russell and traded him to Boston for a pittance. They haven't really recovered from that.
13:34 why is there a clash of clans notification????
It follows you everywhere 😂😂😂
You should do a video on why the NBA won't come to St. Louis. It's rather amusing.
Cause Bill Laurie is a moron
@@Iamacardinalfan I think it is because the NBA still paying the family of the owners of the spirits still
@@markcornish2519 I seem to remember that the single owner was finally given a lump sum to just get rid of it. I just looked. 2014, the NBA settled with a lump sum of 500 million. What haul.
@@Iamacardinalfan yes I knew it was lots of money. Too bad they didn't just take them in the NBA in 1976
Im a born and raised kc fan, but if st louis got a team in a different division, id root for them
St. Louis has been the home of four National Football League (NFL) franchises. Three years after the NFL was founded in 1920, it accepted the St. Louis All-Stars as a franchise for the 1923 NFL season. The team finished 1-4-2 in league play, and a 2-5-2 overall record while finishing fourteenth in the standings. The team's first NFL game was on October 7, 1923, and it ended in a 0-0 tie as they played on the road against the Green Bay Packers. A week later they played to another 0-0 tie in their first home game, against the Hammond Pros, a traveling team from Hammond, Indiana. St. Louis played at Sportsman's Park, a facility that also hosted both of the professional baseball teams in the city: the Cardinals and the Browns. Their sole victory came on November 11, 1923, when they defeated the Oorang Indians (from LaRue, Ohio), 14-7.
The second franchise was the St. Louis Gunners. The Gunners were an independent professional football team that played the last three games of the 1934 National Football League season, replacing the Cincinnati Reds on the league schedule after the Reds' league membership was suspended. They won their first game against the Pittsburgh Pirates (now Steelers) 6-0, but lost the last two to the Detroit Lions (40-7) and the Green Bay Packers (21-14). Six of the Reds players joined the team for the last two games. The team was headquartered at the St. Louis National Guard Armory, which accounts for its nickname the 'Gunners then the big red and then finally the rams . So St Louis has been screw four times by the NFL
I want the battlehawks in the NFL. Keep the brand for expansion.
Battle Hawks are awesome. I'm a bengals fan, and Aj Mcarron was our backup qb in 2012.
32 is the perfect number for a sports league as it can be evenly broken down to 1. Jaguars should go to St Louis. Or just have a Rugby team instead since Rugby is better than American Football anyway
No one cares about the xfl/ufl
@@Drollpanther people in st louis do
Name is too similar to the Seahawks. I'd like a name that is more personal to St Louis and represents the city's history
The Cardinals did not make the playoffs in the 60s, or at least did not have a shot at a championship. The NFL used to have the Playoff Bowl, which matched up the second-place teams of each division between 1960 and 1966. Between 1967 and 1969 it was between the losers of the divisional playoff games. The Playoff Bowl is generally considered an exhibition. The Cardinals beat the Green Bay Packers in the 1964 Playoff Bowl 24-17. It raised money for NFL players pension fund. Packers coach Vince Lombardi hated the Playoff Bowl with a passion, calling it the S--- Bowl.
Could've sworn the MLB wanted me to hate it.
But seriously, by moving teams to Phoenix and L.A the NFL really does treat St. Louis like the gateway to the West. Don't forget the NBA's St. Louis Hawks would end up following that Atlanta plan just a few years after the Cards considered it.
Hell, I don't understand how a place like LA has a team, every team to play there has left, then take a truck load of money to go back and after the new wears off, their back to no crowds,no fans,and a half ass stadium, but hey in a few yr.s the raiders will move back.
@@ronnielester2933Meh, LA didn't give the Rams any money to get them back from St. Louis. Kroenke paid out of his own pocket to build the stadium. I guess he figured even with that billion plus expense, it'd still make him more money to be in LA. It's hard to shed any tears for STL, since they did pay to build a stadium to get the Rams from LA in the first place. You can't steal a team from another city and then be upset when they leave you for greener pastures. The owners have already shown that they are just mercenaries looking for the most money.
Kansas City could claim that title too. The A's passed through there on their way from Philly, there was an NHL team that started there and moved to Denver after only two miserable seasons (they're now in New Jersey though), and the NBA's Sacramento Kings used to play in KC as well.
this is such a wild thing to stumble across especially after seeing a recent stat that Missouri has the 2nd most number of players drafted to the leauge currently.
Great retrospective! Very thorough and engaging.
Thats why the Battlehawksfans shows Roger Godell the middlefinger every game with their attendance.😂😂
I think if the Greatest Show on Turf beat the Patriots in SB XXXVI the Rams would still he in St Louis today. There's a lot to be said about the power of a second championship.
Tell that to the Oakland Raiders. Full disclosure, I grew up a St Louis football Cardinals fan
I agree because if that happened, even with Kurt's injuries in 02 he probably would've stayed QB and who knows how many Superbowls STL could've had. That said even tho I'm still bitter and it sucks in just thankful they were even here in the first place. It was an honor to watch those legends play
Tom Brady has squashed a lot of other team’s dreams. STL Carolina Atlanta Seattle 2nd (and back to back) KC 1st afc championship but he did help Tampa Bay so there’s that
@@wizard1687The Raiders won the Super Bowl in 1976 and 1980 and left for Los Angeles in 1982 and won the Super Bowl in 1983 12 years later they left LA for Oakland and in 2020 move to Las Vegas
The NFL conspired in that game too
Random but: the Rams lost the SB to the team that was suppose to be in St. Louis, lost the playoffs to one of the expansion teams that could’ve been in St. Louis, lost the next year to a city their first team was almost sent to, and then they lost their QB to the first team that was in St. Louis 😭
We had our team sneak out in the middle of the night, during a snow storm but losing two teams has to make you think something is up.
God imagine if we had to deal with Andrew Luck retiring abruptly instead of Indy, we would've been MUCH more vocal about it.
Also Atlanta also lost two teams, both to Canada.
@@ocularzombie6679 I always forget the Flames were from Atlanta. Were the name makes sense. Frankly, can hockey really work in Atlanta?
@@TheSolidSnakeOilit works in California, Texas, and Florida no reason why it couldn't in ATL especially if they have ownership that actually cares
Eddie kingston shouted you out on ig. Love this channel and it's cool to see you get some love from one of my favorite wrestlers
It’s kinda poverty here right now, the cardinals are middling at best, and the blues are so and so.
I could really use a NFL football team right about now…
City SC is extremely meh too. The BattleHawks funny enough are the most successful STL team currently and even they had a bit of a disappointing end to their season.
@@Gage_Brumley They barely missed the playoffs in 2023 and made it there in 2024. I just hope McCarron sticks around and stays healthy.
Growing up in the mid-2000s made me hate football. Every Sunday, just watching the Rams get their ass spanked and wasting Steven Jackson's career. Draft bust after draft bust after draft bust. How Les Snead has a job still, I don't know.
Same I miss the rams so much I still watch greatest show on turf highlights to this day and play old maddens with them in it
@@Ryan-hn8yxsame bro it SUCKED after the gsot I mean it was miserable at some times but I loved the rams since I was like 2-3 so I kinda got to see a little bit of the GSOT and I loved them so much and just rode that high 😂 I even had a VHS tape of the 99 season and I watched that everyday as a little kid (born in 98 here)
I love StL. I am glad the Rams went back to LA
So are they....
I went to Football Cardinals games sporadically in my school days, but as a Minnesota transplant, I was a Vikings fan all the way. I was at the last Cardinals game at Busch Stadium in StL.
It was bizarre not having a pro football team in town. I thought StL deserved the expansion team that went to Jacksonville as repayment for Bidwell screwing the City, but the effort was disorganized and Tagliaboo had this "expand to the South" obsession.
So when the Rams moved here finally in 1995, I was all in just to support having NFL football back. I bought a PSL with a group of 6, and had season tickets for the first 10 years, 95 to 2005.
I was at all the games in 95 when the first 4 home games were played outside at Busch Stadium. What good times those were, the enthusiasm,the excitement, the tailgating. I love outdoor football and it's too bad the new Stadium was a Dome.
It was hard to get used to the big echoey concrete dark Dome, but at least we had football. Then 1999 magically happened under Warner, Faulk, Bruce and Holt etc and we were witnessing the Greatest Show on Turf! What a season. I was at every home game and both the playoff games in 98 (my Vikings aaghh, and the NFC CHAMP game vs Tampa Bay) and the noise and atmosphere in the Dome was deafening and crazy all year as we knew this team was special. The playoffs were insane and I couldn't believe the Rams not only went but won the SB!!
The next 2 years were pretty fun too with another playoff run in 2001 and a 2nd SB trip in 3 years. I was at all those games and the playoff games again. Very cool seeing 2 NFC CHAMPIONSHIPS in person. Didn't go to the SBs though. The team remained pretty good the next 4 or 5 years, but there was the inevitable decline as some of the stars moved on to other teams. In 2005 or 06 we decided to sell our 6 season ticket PSLs (got our full $1000 back for each), as I had more child obligations with their sports teams etc. But the crowds were always 60,000 + and near sell outs. I admit though, it was hard sitting in that loud echoey dark Dome on gorgeous fall days.
The downturn in attendance didn't come until 1) the team went back to being bad and not making the playoffs and 2) Kranky started making threats to leave if Stadium was not upgraded etc. Little did we know that a plan was already in the works to get the Rams back to Hollywood. The NFL wanted an anchor franchise back in La La Land, and once Kranky got control of majority ownership of the Rams, he did everything possible to defraud Rams fans and St Louis. The whole "Stadium was inadequate and needed to be modernized etc" when it was only 20 or so years old was the same old song and dance StL had been through before and was absurd. But StL got screwed again and rightfully sued Kranky and the NFL. Once again, a bad taste left in the mouths of football fans. I despise Kranky, he's a fraudulent crook. Thank god for college football. At least I have the memories.
Can't wait for the him to talk about the St.Louis all stars!
still waiting
Even when the Cards and the Blues have been bed last year, they will never move, there is too much history
Tom Stllman is one of the biggest jerkoffs in the city, I used to work with him. If you don’t think he’d move the Blues, you’re kidding yourself
A really great video. Should of mention the flight between the City and County on where a new Stadium was to be built.
Anecdotally, you are absolutely right about Stan Kroenke being quite the unpopular figure in Saint Louis. During the Rams vs Bengals super bowl, everyone I knew, and ask, and heard, all were rooting for the Bengals and not the Rams. Besides my dad. A sample size of about 25 or so people, so not the hugest sample size but still. And I'd agree with the assessment that Saint Louis definitely cares about winning, you'll still see people wearing old rams gear out on the streets and stuff, with the yellow-blue colours, less so the dark blue-gold colour scheme even though they wore those colours for much longer in Saint Louis.
I was super conflicted because I am a Chiefs fan and was kinda salty that the Bengals had just beaten them in the AFC championship. Needless to say the past two years have made up for it lol.
Stan Kroenke is even hated here in Texas and there is a very good reason why....
@@M_11_m41nI think sports fans in general kinda hate him. Arsenal fans sure do and they *didn't* relocate lol
@Gage_Brumley I'm a KC boy but the momentum with the Bengals that year was absolutely electric, I couldn't even be mad they were in the finals instead of us. It was a blast to see such a raw team get so far on pluck and energy.
Would have rather said STL is the only Rams team to ever win than say we’re tied. But if you get 2-3X the time then I’d say call us when you have more than when you have them up.
Also that SB 49 add where we said F*** you Stan is hilarious.
Frankly, having two palm trees on the LA Rams championship rings makes sense. They were the LA Rams before they were the St. Louis Rams and are now again the LA Rams. So it's the same franchise that keeps playing musical cities.
Originally The Cleveland Rams 1936-45.
@@akbarlebowitz8151yep!
@@akbarlebowitz8151cleveland, los angeles, anaheim, saint louis & los angeles again.
1951 and 2021 NFL Championship
@@coreylevine8095incorrect. The two palm trees are next to a replica of the Lombardi trophy on the ring and symbolize their two Superbowl victories. The palm trees also have 26 diamonds in them which symbolize all Rams postseason victories since the Cleveland days until present. The Rams have a total of 4 Championships, not two. So since they included all postseason victories and not only LA Rams victories, they weren't ignoring the championships when the franchise was in other cities than LA.
1945 (NFL Championship as Cleveland Rams)
1951 (NFL Championship as LA Rams)
2000 (Super Bowl XXXIV as St. Louis Rams)
2022 (Super Bowl LVI as LA Rams)
0:02 I called at home, but you can go whatever you want
After 2004 the Rams were winning 1-6 games a year until the move to LA. Fans were putting up with that for years. But after 2013 most weren’t showing up except the die hard fans because it was clear they were leaving. I remember one excuse was “St Louis isn’t a three team town.” It is, over the decades that’s been made pretty clear.
Something that should be mentioned by the late 80s/early 90s, the midwest, had been dying a slow death for a long time and didn't show signs of coming back any time soon. The southeast was growing and didn't show any signs of slowing down. That was a huge factor in the panthers and jags being the two expansion teams at the time.
I was a kid when the Greatest Show on Turf won the super bowl. They were my heros and I was a dedicated, die hard Rams fan, even when I moved far away from the Lou. But the way Kronke and the Rams front office gave the middle finger to the city... I now despise the Rams, the city of Los Angeles, and will never support the Rams again. Until the NFL moves back in, I'll just be happy as a B-Hawks fan
Hollllldddd up..
BlackFlagsMatter, is that you?
Unfortunately San Antonio did the same thing for an expansion bid in 1993, and is now stuck with the Alamodome. Luckily it gets some use, the Spurs were there from 1993 - 2002 and hosts the Alamo Bowl, UTSA college football and several big concerts and events.
The Brahmas and March Madness are both down there too, yeah?
9:22 now I'm thinking of Days of our Steelers with that music. It's not the same but it really is the same beats just not the same sound. That's awesome
This video hurts, miss having the NFL in town man
Thank You for this video!
The Rams started in Cleveland, Ohio. Before moving to Los Angeles, St. Louis, back to LA. The Cardinals football, started in Chicago, before moving to St. Louis.
That 99 season was so AWESOME!!!
Football in STL has always been fraught with difficulty, because of the horrible luck of having two pathetic excuses for human beings as majority owners (not Georgia, obviously). It's just been beyond unfortunate.
And fans and taxpayers unwilling to pay minor fees to keep the teams. There is that
Georgia is a bad person
you forgot to mention the saint louis hawk’s nba team, but still a great video!
My dad's from St Louis, eat my shit NFL, lmaoooooooooooo
1:05 this dude playing the original twister theme lmaoooooo
9:21 days of your Steelers before days of your Steelers
I grew up in St. Louis and while the surrounding counties are thriving the city has been slowly dying for the last 40 years. The Rams leaving was just a result of the failures of the city. Unfortunately the city continues to go downhill and there is no end in sight.
Born and raised in St.Louis I wholeheartedly supported the Football Cardinals and the Rams. The NFL and the owners are all about the money and marketing, they don’t give a damn about the fans and their loyalty to the team, or the city they play in. When the Rams left I had to decide what team I wanted to follow because I love the game and needed a new team to root for. The Chiefs seemed to be the obvious choice but who’s to say that they won’t up and move to a new city with a better bigger market meaning more money. I realized that this could happen to any team in any city. Except Green Bay. A city with a population of just over 100,000. Could definitely fair well in any bigger city. But they aren’t going anywhere. The fans who own the team will never let that happen. A big middle finger to the NFL and their owners. A team with a great history and a tradition of winning. I’ve been a Packers fan ever since. And I know that I’m not the only one in the St.Louis area. Every football fan I stated this observation to understands my point. I even converted some Chiefs fans. I think there are just as many Packers fans in Missouri as there are Chiefs fans. Go Pack Go!
Philly won't either 😊😌
Within 2 hours of the Cardinals announced move, I was the proud owner of a NFL Phoenix Cardinals t shirt.
Don't forget they ran no huddle because spygate.
Thank you for making this video, as someone who was born in '96 I was too young to remember the good days and truly became a fan once the team was in decline. I remember vividly the whole circus of the NFL making it seem there was a chance that St. Louis could keep the team, the public hearing, the last minute new stadium plan that at the time lost the city millions of dollars. The countless lies spewed just to keep the unaware fan engaged. And then everything said afterwards, how badly they poisoned the well and deliberately took shots at the city just to justify their shady actions. It was a real kick to the nuts. And then I had people saying "Oh well the attendance has been bad for years", You try getting people to care about a team that won 6 games in 3 years. SIX! Would I ever want or support an NFL team in St. Louis? Sure, but it have to steady local ownership with a committed desire to stay in St. Louis. However, do I ever think St. Louis will get a team again? Its unlikely at best sadly.
24:07 i know that ain’t who i think it is
Was just thinking the same thing
I don't know if I'm gonna be putting on this headset again.
The NFL should relegate the panthers to the UFL and promote the Battlehawks
Lifelong St. Louis sports fan. 42 years old.
Nice video, great job.
I completely stopped watching the NFL when the Rams left St. Louis. Not because they left, but HOW. Had it been handled better I would probably still be a Rams fan, but with how poorly it was handled, I quit the NFL entirely. I didn’t choose another team to root for, and I definitely wasn’t going to support the Rams any longer. Part of me was happy for the old school LA Rams fans for getting their team back, but at my core I couldn’t get over how poorly the move was handled, so I decided to wash my hands completely.
I don’t even support St. Louis getting another team. I definitely don’t support relocation to the city, and I do not support an expansion team. The NFL can rot in hell as far as I’m concerned. St. Louis doesn’t need the NFL.
Kaw is the law now.
The Greatest Show on Turf will always be the most potent offense ever imo, insane talent
2007 patriots
1983 Redskins
@@marklewandowski8474couldn’t win the Super Bowl like the 1999 Rams
@@ChiefBlue4298Well THAT!...put the shutdown on this discussion ..with EXTREME PREJUDICE!
1951 rams should averaged 30 points a game in an era where they actually played defense
My grandpa had season tickets and i remember them changing concessions also to drive down attendance and make it seem like people didn’t want to go among other things
Don't forget about the NBA. The NBA hates this city too.
Paul Tagliabue hated when the Rams left LA for STL and made no bones about it many times.
And don’t forget the Soccer teams like the Steamers of the Major Indoor Soccer League and the Stars of the NASL
@@alistairfannell6694 I don't. I remember them well.
@@RealAmericanIntelligence but the idiot that replaced him is the one who conspired with kroenke and Jerry Jones to move them back to California
Y'all gotta stop saying the Titans were one yard short of a Superbowl. They were one yard short of "OVERTIME", get it right.
The NFL doesn't need to tell me twice
Is ridiculous I was a rams fan my whole childhood. Then the KC ownership were one of the top organizations responsible for the Rams leaving. Then we are supposed to like the Chiefs? I was raised to hate the chiefs. I just want a team back. I would literally root for Bryce Young.
I’m from KC and I hate STL. Suck it 😂😂
As someone near STL, it only took the Blues 52 years to do it lol
Kurt Warner was playing Arena Football in Iowa before he came to the Rams.
22:04 Two straight years losing in that stadium.
As a native of St. Louis, I wouldn't say St. Louis won the lawsuit. I would think they won if they caused ACTUALLY DAMAGE to the NFL. Force the NFL to give a billion+ dollars
If Stan ever shows his face in Saint Louis, he will probably be unalived.
who would go to st. louis? especially someone with money? no one is going to that piece of shit city
He doesn’t need to. St Louis is a disgrace. Had two NFL teams and lost them both, and it’s their fault, despite what this propaganda video says
@@jjgreen5206 - Riiiiiight. That’s why he had to pay the city $700M.
Deservedly so, the man is a scumbag. And not only for what he did to our city either.
I am from Baltimore. I can relate. We just lucked out that we got Art Modell, who was so financially wounded by the move that he had to sell and that Steve Bisciotti was here...
It's just a shame Art won't be in the Hall of Fame because bitter Cleveland fans don't know how to let go
@@MazeDaGr8 Not a Browns fan, but Modell doesn't belong in the Hall Of Fame.