Hobby Lobby is not carrying these anymore and have them in their clearance sections for $1.72 a marker. Went through and managed to get all the colors that I wanted (and a few extras lol) except a bright red. Thought I would share :)
The paper is what really interests me! So it's coated with something that makes the ink stay on the surface for longer? Like a hyped-marker paper? I guess that would mean that you could get more painterly effect with them, compared to the smoothness achieved with regular marker paper
I may get the white if I ever use markers, but I don't like the idea of being limited to a paper. I would probably choose another medium, especially not knowing what is in the product. The 100 year is a plus if you want to sell originals. Thank you for the video. Very informational.
Thanks for your review. They do seem a more specialist medium. I have seen the white and clear used on top of watercolours once dry to get a nice blend especially skin tones. I bought just the clear and white for the blending quality x
I have tried copic markers, prismacolor premier markers, ohuhu markers and sharpie markers, and so far i gotta say none of those beats the winsor and newton pigment markers on my list, they are just so incredibly amazing, they give you something that no other marker will give you a quite: texture, character, when you keep overlaying them the end result is just so beautiful. I always use them when making portraits and all my other artist friends keep asking me what media is that, most ppl wouldnt imagine they are markers, to me, they are really worth it and i wouldnt say they are better or worst that any other brand, they are just different, they will give you a different effect overall and if that is what you are going for by all means give this markers a try!
I love your reviews! They are so helpful. I always check to see if you have reviewed a product before I go out and buy it. I really like that you provide all the information you can and that you let viewers decide for themselves. You're the best. thank you so much for sharing, please don't ever stop.
Great honest review. I just wondered how they would do on Yupo paper. It is not something I can easily access here in the UK so it is more curiosity than anything else. Thanks so much Lindsay for all your hard work and great information. Hugz Anne xx
Ethanol is also Alcohol, but it s is a different kind, so that might explain the price and the other things that with the pigment ink, the marker offers.
Lindsay, would you consider doing a review and demo on Yupo paper? I am very curious to see how this works! Thanks for everything you do for us...I love watching your channel. 😘
Great review and comments! I think I'll try the white marker, because I have so many clear blending markers. I have some Yupo and Copic paper to try. If the price comes down, I may try a set.
Thank you, Lindsay. In the video, I found the information I was looking for about the white blender. Glad it can be used with other alcohol based markers :)
Hi. I have the Winsor and Newton watercolor markers. Should I consider getting special paper for them? I hadn't thought about it until watching a few videos, but maybe that is what I need?
i have a set of these markers but two of them turned a different color, i had a light blue that turned purple on the fine tip but is still light blue on the bullet tip , a brown that is faded on the bullet tip, i think its due to how i stored them in my marker case because i didn't store them flat.so i learned my lesson the hard way but the blue that turned dark purple is so weird.
This is good to know. I don't have a huge range of markers and most have been bought on sale (Promarkers) or secondhand as the previous person didn't like them (distress markers). I've not bought any of the others but did get two spectrum noir glittery ones free with an order from one of the crafting tv channels. Very interesting video, I shall look for your w&n watercolour marker review but won't be tempted to purchase these alcohol based ones. I can't afford specialised marker paper nor justify the cost of the more expensive alcohol markers, these included. I do use neenah card stock to colour my images on if using my markers. So glad to see honest reviews and thorough testing. Ultimately there will always be artists who wish to either buy all the new products or that will be attracted to this brand because they do art that is displayed under lights or in natural light. Was interesting to see the colour change on the end of your other marker after two years. Great for manga or professional who sell their art to hang, but for us who tend to journal, or card make or similar we won't need that protection.
Question: appreciate the info about the white marker. Will it blend those other markers if you're NOT using that special paper? Thanks for a great review.
If the white or clear had worked on my other markers on Neenah I might have been tempted to buy just those but I'm happy with the blending of my Promarkers and no ink wastage. X
I have a lot of trouble with the WN watercolor markers too. They don't blend well even on the WN Marker paper.................So, What the heck are you supposed to do with these other than cards and scrapbooking?.
I would love to try these out but the price is incredible and I can not justify buying any new markers especially from this price category. I really like how they look when you just blend them, it gives them such a pretty watercolour-y effect. I always wonder if you use the right side of the marker paper. I have the winsor and Newton paper too and mine seems to absorb the marker a lot faster. But when I tried the other side -the plastic-y one- of the paper sheet the marker looked very streaky.
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich thank you for your quick reply! When I open my pad I face the rough side of the paper, I think they glued it together in a wrong way.
Thank you so much! I was always wondering about what's the difference between these and normal alcohol based markers, and it's finally clear to me now. I've always _only_ been interested in the white blender, and I always had it in my head that it won't work with normal alcohol markers, but I guess they do! it would be great to use when highlighting, that's what I always thought I'd use the white one for. I'll buy the white one if I ever come across it, thanks again!
I've been using them on cheap shiny paper like transfer paper with some luck but you're right - their own paper seems to work best. I'm not a huge marker fan in general and I only really got a few of these as a kind of means to get a watercolour look when using markers, which just gives me another style, but I think I will replace them when they run out (they have lasted a while!) as I like the intensity and knowing Cad Yellow is really Cad Yellow and will mix just like it does make quite a difference to me.
+Rich Boden have you tried their watercolor markers? I really like those. They are real watercolor in a marker and work on watercolor paper and pretty well on card stock.
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich am going to do a video on blending fluids I think as I have some 100% pure alcohol and isopropanol to hand and can show how mixtures perform with an Adirondack colour I bought but hate. I don't use alcohol inks enough. I got enamoured by the videos of people using them, which in turn lead me to same people making cards and that helped a LOT to pass the time in Dec/Jan when it's dark so long and always so cold and grey here.
Thanks for reviewing Lindsay. TBH I've come to the point I don't want to buy markers anymore for exactly the reason you said as you just can't see how much product you have. I will buy refills for my copics but I'm just not going to invest in any other marker product. FWIW another channel I watch has a young artist that does Manga/Anime (forgive me if I got that wrong)type artwork and W&N are flying her to Nashville to demo these this week. I think that is probably their target market with these.
Lyndsey, what paper would you recommend for blending Prismacolor markers? I want to print off images in my printer and use my Prismacolor markers but can't find paper that works. I have tried two different card stocks, a cheaper brand of marker paper and even a type of Copic paper and nothing seemed to work. Would you suggest the Winsor & Newton marker paper?
You need Neenah classic crest #110, it is heavier than the Neenah cardstock at walmart or the Neehan #110 index, these are not great for markers. Recolections #110 is good for card bases, not coloring.
The classic crest in solar white seems to have a smoother not so porous surface and the ink stays wet long enough to blend beautifully. The cheaper Neenah is more a card base type stock so keep it still for that and invest in some crest x
Missy Kern hi! i know this was 9 months ago but i thought maybe i could help:) i am also a younger artist and i have recently purchased these, but in my opinion i think copics and prismacolor markers are the best option! these are alright, but you can get copics for about the same price.
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich - Yupo is better imho. The idea behind these is that they can be used like watercolour - if you get the "clear" blender, as the white is not ideal to use as a main blender for a watercolour effect. So, theoretically, the "clear' marker is your brush and water, and the pigment marker is the watercolour. You can then do the fade/blending effect by placing a little pigment down then blending out with the clear marker - especially useful for petals, as you do with watercolour. 🙂
Here's a link to the pdf with the ingredients on the Winsor & Newton website. colart.s3.amazonaws.com/assetfiles/e440a756-2e63-44b4-9246-81ee5e656899W&N%20Pigmented%20Marker%20SDS_USA.PDF
Completely off-topic but since you know your watercolour ranges better than me - do you know of any that manufacturer oxgall as a half-pan block instead of as a liquid? I want it for my summer en plein air palette. I know Schmincke do them, but they're expensive and the wrong morphology so was wondering about other brands? I love the effect oxgall has but I don't want to carry bottles in the field. As it's just a detergent at the end of the day (sodium glycocholate and sodium taurocholate - both of which you can buy chemically manufactured if you dig around so you could make your own legitimate faux version), I was thinking of just using a small piece of clear glycerine soap as it will do the same job.
+GummyTumor It's a detergent so it essentially allows pigment grains to flow more smoothly in the water and allows the water to move more easily and spread more easily. It gives smoother washes and makes the paint more even.
I am new to watercoloring - this oxgall detergent is intriguing, especially since you mentioned that Schmincke has them. Does that mean their paints are manufactured with this detergent already in them? And would that be their pans and tubes? One of my favorite water color artists uses primarily Schmincke, and I've always wondered how she gets such smooth washes. Thanks in advance and sorry for my ignorance on the topic - I hope I am making sense!.
They have a clear colorless blender as well that's fantastic for blending colored pencil perhaps you'd like it .I find my regular solvent works better and it much cheaper long term . these markers are not alcohol based . the website has a complete downloadable pdf file on information about these . they are ether ethanol based . they warn not to mix these with alcohol I'm not sure why perhaps it's hazardous ?
I do not think it is hazardous. Ethanol is used in other "alcohol" markers that have airbrush systems because it is "safe" to inhale while there are additives in other alcohols to prevent people from drinking it as it is sold cheaply over the counter. I believe that copic blending solution is pure ethanol in fact the big difference between ethanol and alcohol is the slight oily residue in ethanol (AKA ethal alcohol) that is left behind and might be necessary to act as a vehicle for the heavier ink in the pigment markers. I'm not a scientist so I can't tell you weather or not to take your chances mixing markers but I honestly do not think it is a problem. I do believe that copis use ethanol and others use a denatured alcohol and I have always micxed my markers. Maybe the oiliness is why copics seems to blend better. Hmmmm.
I just checked out the toxicology report prepared by DUKE university to check for hazards and compatibility and this is that I found: Incompatibility (Materials to avoid): None If there was a bad reaction with denatured alcohol or another substance it would have listed it. Maybe they are afraid you will ruin a marker or don't want the competition. Here is the full report shared by another viewer: colart.s3.amazonaws.com/assetfiles/e440a756-2e63-44b4-9246-81ee5e656899W&N%20Pigmented%20Marker%20SDS_USA.PDF
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich Ethanol is alcohol - one and the same. ethanol is the stuff you drink in all alcoholic drinks. Rubbing alcohol can vary - in some countries it is ethanol, in some it is iso-propanol (higher boiling point and different solvent effects). Absolute ethanol (actual pure 100% ethanol) is heavily taxed as one can dilute it to drink (not that any scientists around world who can buy it duty free have ever done that *cough*). Methylated spirit aka industrial alcohol is like 90-97% ethanol, a bit of methanol and some other crap. 70% ethanol is sometimes sold as the blending solutions for markers. Some use 90%. I "liberated" some 100% ethanol to try with alcohol inks and it would not move them. I figure the small amount of water in their blending solution and in rubbing alcohol (isopropanol didn't work either) was needed to mobilise the ink. Not unusual - many things dissolve better in solutions of water in ethanol.
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich Denatured alcohol is another phrase for methylated spirit - ethanol plus methanol (methanol is a deadly poison but in tiny amounts just makes one vomit, so it is added to make it hard to drink) and sometimes pyridine (which smells awful and again, makes it hard to drink) and a dye. The actual ethanol is as harmless as vodka or whatever as that is all that it is. Vodka is 40% ethanol in water. Nothing more nothing less (if you buy cheap vodka anyway). Grain alcohol in some USA states (we don't have it over here) is just alcohol and water. The reason markers may say to keep them away from ethanol is simply that it will dissolve out the pigments and ruin them and make a mess or if you spill ethanol on your work, it will dissolve it. It's nothing to do with any toxic effects - the amount of ethanol vapour you'd breathe even pouring litres of it around all day (which I have done for a living for years working in research labs) is so tiny that no harm done.
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich thanks Lindsay ! i was conerned . i know if you mix certain chemicals together it can be toxic so i followed the manufacturer warning but i never even thought the reason they say not to mix with alcohol is so you'll only buy thier markers . I must say I like the clear blender better than prismacolors . it's more effective but more expensive .
as far as I know they are the only lightfast alcohol/ethanol marker but yes, if you don't care about lightfastness try promarker, prismacolor or even sharpie. Have fun in your pursuits!
Just as a side note you mention ethanol like it's not an alcohol, and the orange (I assume) you've drawn in the top left has literally no structural similarities to an actual orange.
The Strathmore marker paper is hardly worthy of the title. Beinfeng (expensive) and Borden and Riley (reasonable) are the best. The Windsor & Newton looks good, but pricey.
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich How much is Neenah Classic Crest in USA for say 50 Letter sheets? I've seen it sold in UK big box stores and it is VERY expensive indeed. What's the fuss...?
i get 250 sheets of #80 for $40 USD or 500 sheets of 24# (typing weight) for that price but I conserve it and only use it for coloring. I pay between $7-$15 for 250 sheets or normal white or cream cardstock and $12 for 100 sheets of heavy #110 (297gsm) cardstock but I can use a 40% off coupon for that LOL!
I'm in the uk rich and use Neenah - I'd not use it generally for creating my cards as it isn't cheap, but for using with markers it's great. I use it literally just for stamping or printing out or drawing my image and colouring with Promarkers. I've tried other cheaper stuff and not had anywhere near the result, buy and keep just for the use and it should last you and be justifiable.
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich thanks - I see some card makers on here (one I privately refer to as The Frivolous Crafter as they have *everything* inc a studio the size of my home - I can bet you'd know who I mean too...) use Neenah Classic Crest for making cardbases. Owch! I buy a good quality smooth card for £12 for 50 sheets and it copes and for colouring I use Bristol Board tbh - it works well. I'm doing a comparison of papers/cards for stamping and then water or alcohol colouring shortly - just filming last section.
You can use pigment markers on the BACK of BLEEDPROOF MARKER paper too, don't know if someone has already mentioned it... 😀
gee massam Art FINALLY, SOMEONE KNOWS
gee massam Art Hi Gee! I'm a fan, you're so talented!
Hobby Lobby is not carrying these anymore and have them in their clearance sections for $1.72 a marker. Went through and managed to get all the colors that I wanted (and a few extras lol) except a bright red. Thought I would share :)
The paper is what really interests me!
So it's coated with something that makes the ink stay on the surface for longer? Like a hyped-marker paper? I guess that would mean that you could get more painterly effect with them, compared to the smoothness achieved with regular marker paper
You said that you were "excited" and sounded as if you were. I really like that because it's so genuine. This is a great review. Thank you.
I may get the white if I ever use markers, but I don't like the idea of being limited to a paper. I would probably choose another medium, especially not knowing what is in the product. The 100 year is a plus if you want to sell originals. Thank you for the video. Very informational.
Thanks for your review. They do seem a more specialist medium. I have seen the white and clear used on top of watercolours once dry to get a nice blend especially skin tones. I bought just the clear and white for the blending quality x
I have tried copic markers, prismacolor premier markers, ohuhu markers and sharpie markers, and so far i gotta say none of those beats the winsor and newton pigment markers on my list, they are just so incredibly amazing, they give you something that no other marker will give you a quite: texture, character, when you keep overlaying them the end result is just so beautiful.
I always use them when making portraits and all my other artist friends keep asking me what media is that, most ppl wouldnt imagine they are markers, to me, they are really worth it and i wouldnt say they are better or worst that any other brand, they are just different, they will give you a different effect overall and if that is what you are going for by all means give this markers a try!
I love your reviews! They are so helpful. I always check to see if you have reviewed a product before I go out and buy it. I really like that you provide all the information you can and that you let viewers decide for themselves. You're the best. thank you so much for sharing, please don't ever stop.
I finally got W&N to tell me that they are alcohol based. Geez. I got the white. Try using the alcohol markers on vellum or yupo. Really nice.
thanks! Have you tried their watercolor markers, they are DaBomb!
If I could can up with a good justification, I will. They are in my cart at Blick.
Diana Trout hey but whats the difference betwern that and pro markers
Great honest review. I just wondered how they would do on Yupo paper. It is not something I can easily access here in the UK so it is more curiosity than anything else. Thanks so much Lindsay for all your hard work and great information. Hugz Anne xx
Cass Art sell them in the UK and there on sale 3 for 2 www.cassart.co.uk
thanks for the review because i didn't know the white marker works on copic and promarker because i'm gonna have fun with that
Thank you so SO much for this honest review! Also love the great tip about the white marker from the set. You rock!
YUPO paper work really well with these markers!
I'm getting some copics because I got a job this summer!! I'm very excited and I might just have to get a white one to go along with it!
Ethanol is also Alcohol, but it s is a different kind, so that might explain the price and the other things that with the pigment ink, the marker offers.
I tried them on a white paper palette and worked the same as with their pigment marker paper
Lindsay, would you consider doing a review and demo on Yupo paper? I am very curious to see how this works! Thanks for everything you do for us...I love watching your channel. 😘
I would like to see that too, especially since I don't really know what Yupo paper is for or about.
Great review and comments! I think I'll try the white marker, because I have so many clear blending markers. I have some Yupo and Copic paper to try. If the price comes down, I may try a set.
Thank you, Lindsay. In the video, I found the information I was looking for about the white blender. Glad it can be used with other alcohol based markers :)
Yupo paper would be good with these. You could also put this on palette paper with a drop of water end use it as paint.
Hi. I have the Winsor and Newton watercolor markers. Should I consider getting special paper for them? I hadn't thought about it until watching a few videos, but maybe that is what I need?
i have a set of these markers but two of them turned a different color, i had a light blue that turned purple on the fine tip but is still light blue on the bullet tip , a brown that is faded on the bullet tip, i think its due to how i stored them in my marker case because i didn't store them flat.so i learned my lesson the hard way but the blue that turned dark purple is so weird.
They are ethanol based according to a review I recently watched.
This is good to know. I don't have a huge range of markers and most have been bought on sale (Promarkers) or secondhand as the previous person didn't like them (distress markers). I've not bought any of the others but did get two spectrum noir glittery ones free with an order from one of the crafting tv channels. Very interesting video, I shall look for your w&n watercolour marker review but won't be tempted to purchase these alcohol based ones. I can't afford specialised marker paper nor justify the cost of the more expensive alcohol markers, these included. I do use neenah card stock to colour my images on if using my markers. So glad to see honest reviews and thorough testing. Ultimately there will always be artists who wish to either buy all the new products or that will be attracted to this brand because they do art that is displayed under lights or in natural light. Was interesting to see the colour change on the end of your other marker after two years. Great for manga or professional who sell their art to hang, but for us who tend to journal, or card make or similar we won't need that protection.
Question: appreciate the info about the white marker. Will it blend those other markers if you're NOT using that special paper? Thanks for a great review.
no it wont, the ink just sticks on regular paper, it is kind of a bummer:(
If the white or clear had worked on my other markers on Neenah I might have been tempted to buy just those but I'm happy with the blending of my Promarkers and no ink wastage. X
Did you say that u r using the backside of the paper?
I have a lot of trouble with the WN watercolor markers too. They don't blend well even on the WN Marker paper.................So, What the heck are you supposed to do with these other than cards and scrapbooking?.
+Judith A Rowland use the watercolor markers on any watercolor or mixed media paper. You will love them then!
Lindsay when are you reviewing the tim holts distress crayons
+Lani Lani I have the video done. It will probably post Saturday:)
I would love to try these out but the price is incredible and I can not justify buying any new markers especially from this price category. I really like how they look when you just blend them, it gives them such a pretty watercolour-y effect.
I always wonder if you use the right side of the marker paper. I have the winsor and Newton paper too and mine seems to absorb the marker a lot faster. But when I tried the other side -the plastic-y one- of the paper sheet the marker looked very streaky.
I use the glossier side, it is the paper facing up when you open the pad.
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich thank you for your quick reply! When I open my pad I face the rough side of the paper, I think they glued it together in a wrong way.
Thank you so much! I was always wondering about what's the difference between these and normal alcohol based markers, and it's finally clear to me now. I've always _only_ been interested in the white blender, and I always had it in my head that it won't work with normal alcohol markers, but I guess they do! it would be great to use when highlighting, that's what I always thought I'd use the white one for. I'll buy the white one if I ever come across it, thanks again!
Thank you, Lindsay. Very useful information as always.
I've been using them on cheap shiny paper like transfer paper with some luck but you're right - their own paper seems to work best. I'm not a huge marker fan in general and I only really got a few of these as a kind of means to get a watercolour look when using markers, which just gives me another style, but I think I will replace them when they run out (they have lasted a while!) as I like the intensity and knowing Cad Yellow is really Cad Yellow and will mix just like it does make quite a difference to me.
+Rich Boden have you tried their watercolor markers? I really like those. They are real watercolor in a marker and work on watercolor paper and pretty well on card stock.
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich Yes and prefer them by far!
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich am going to do a video on blending fluids I think as I have some 100% pure alcohol and isopropanol to hand and can show how mixtures perform with an Adirondack colour I bought but hate. I don't use alcohol inks enough. I got enamoured by the videos of people using them, which in turn lead me to same people making cards and that helped a LOT to pass the time in Dec/Jan when it's dark so long and always so cold and grey here.
I glad they can be used on something! Thanks for the demo.
how does the white marker blend on the water color paper or cardstock with the other alcohol markers?
+Kat Kathi it won't move the marker on other paper at all.
I always love how you put it out there!! Thank you for your honest review!!!
Hi Lindsey, did you try these pigment markers on photo paper?
no but I think they would dry too quick and the coating would mess them up. Glossy cardstock would probably be fine tho
Thanks for reviewing Lindsay. TBH I've come to the point I don't want to buy markers anymore for exactly the reason you said as you just can't see how much product you have. I will buy refills for my copics but I'm just not going to invest in any other marker product. FWIW another channel I watch has a young artist that does Manga/Anime (forgive me if I got that wrong)type artwork and W&N are flying her to Nashville to demo these this week. I think that is probably their target market with these.
Can you use u pop paper? Nice vid! Thanks💜😄
I don't know what that is
hi Lindsay love ya work. habe you ever tryed the Masterclass Brush Pen dual tip.water based. I got some as a gift. I'm lost help.
never heard of it
Lyndsey, what paper would you recommend for blending Prismacolor markers? I want to print off images in my printer and use my Prismacolor markers but can't find paper that works. I have tried two different card stocks, a cheaper brand of marker paper and even a type of Copic paper and nothing seemed to work. Would you suggest the Winsor & Newton marker paper?
you can try it but I fear that the ink jet ink won't dry. I use Neenah classic crest or Papertrey ink stampers select for best results
As Lindsay said, Neenah is a great all purpose card stock for using with your markets and card making. I use this with my Promarkers and had no issue.
+Michelle Collett I have Neenah 110# card stock and the ink just soaks in. Same with the Recollections 110# card stock from Michael's.
You need Neenah classic crest #110, it is heavier than the Neenah cardstock at walmart or the Neehan #110 index, these are not great for markers. Recolections #110 is good for card bases, not coloring.
The classic crest in solar white seems to have a smoother not so porous surface and the ink stays wet long enough to blend beautifully. The cheaper Neenah is more a card base type stock so keep it still for that and invest in some crest x
Excellent review Lindsay! Thanks!
Hi! I'm a younger artist and I use art markers, do you thing they are a good marker?
Missy Kern hi! i know this was 9 months ago but i thought maybe i could help:) i am also a younger artist and i have recently purchased these, but in my opinion i think copics and prismacolor markers are the best option! these are alright, but you can get copics for about the same price.
Try these on Yupo Lyndsay. They work as well on Yupo as the dedicated "pigment marker" paper. 🙂
I bet they are great on that!
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich - Yupo is better imho. The idea behind these is that they can be used like watercolour - if you get the "clear" blender, as the white is not ideal to use as a main blender for a watercolour effect. So, theoretically, the "clear' marker is your brush and water, and the pigment marker is the watercolour. You can then do the fade/blending effect by placing a little pigment down then blending out with the clear marker - especially useful for petals, as you do with watercolour. 🙂
Here's a link to the pdf with the ingredients on the Winsor & Newton website. colart.s3.amazonaws.com/assetfiles/e440a756-2e63-44b4-9246-81ee5e656899W&N%20Pigmented%20Marker%20SDS_USA.PDF
great, thanks! Very useful info!
Thanks so much for doing this review and giving your honest opinion on them.
Completely off-topic but since you know your watercolour ranges better than me - do you know of any that manufacturer oxgall as a half-pan block instead of as a liquid? I want it for my summer en plein air palette. I know Schmincke do them, but they're expensive and the wrong morphology so was wondering about other brands? I love the effect oxgall has but I don't want to carry bottles in the field. As it's just a detergent at the end of the day (sodium glycocholate and sodium taurocholate - both of which you can buy chemically manufactured if you dig around so you could make your own legitimate faux version), I was thinking of just using a small piece of clear glycerine soap as it will do the same job.
What does oxgall do for watercolor? I'm curious, now.
+GummyTumor It's a detergent so it essentially allows pigment grains to flow more smoothly in the water and allows the water to move more easily and spread more easily. It gives smoother washes and makes the paint more even.
+Rich Boden +Rich Boden Interesting! I've gotta try that out. Hope you find what you're looking for.
GummyTumor You can buy it in dilute solution in most art shops but blocks of concentrated oxgall are better for field work.
I am new to watercoloring - this oxgall detergent is intriguing, especially since you mentioned that Schmincke has them. Does that mean their paints are manufactured with this detergent already in them? And would that be their pans and tubes? One of my favorite water color artists uses primarily Schmincke, and I've always wondered how she gets such smooth washes. Thanks in advance and sorry for my ignorance on the topic - I hope I am making sense!.
they are on clearance for 1$ now at Michaels
Dedra Skipworth 1 dollar? ours had them for 2.50
Were did you get them at???
yes, and use a coupon, those puppies are pricey;) I think there is a 55% off one today:)
Very interesting review, thanks!
They have a clear colorless blender as well that's fantastic for blending colored pencil perhaps you'd like it .I find my regular solvent works better and it much cheaper long term . these markers are not alcohol based . the website has a complete downloadable pdf file on information about these . they are ether ethanol based . they warn not to mix these with alcohol I'm not sure why perhaps it's hazardous ?
I do not think it is hazardous. Ethanol is used in other "alcohol" markers that have airbrush systems because it is "safe" to inhale while there are additives in other alcohols to prevent people from drinking it as it is sold cheaply over the counter. I believe that copic blending solution is pure ethanol in fact the big difference between ethanol and alcohol is the slight oily residue in ethanol (AKA ethal alcohol) that is left behind and might be necessary to act as a vehicle for the heavier ink in the pigment markers. I'm not a scientist so I can't tell you weather or not to take your chances mixing markers but I honestly do not think it is a problem. I do believe that copis use ethanol and others use a denatured alcohol and I have always micxed my markers. Maybe the oiliness is why copics seems to blend better. Hmmmm.
I just checked out the toxicology report prepared by DUKE university to check for hazards and compatibility and this is that I found: Incompatibility (Materials to avoid): None If there was a bad reaction with denatured alcohol or another substance it would have listed it. Maybe they are afraid you will ruin a marker or don't want the competition. Here is the full report shared by another viewer: colart.s3.amazonaws.com/assetfiles/e440a756-2e63-44b4-9246-81ee5e656899W&N%20Pigmented%20Marker%20SDS_USA.PDF
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich Ethanol is alcohol - one and the same. ethanol is the stuff you drink in all alcoholic drinks. Rubbing alcohol can vary - in some countries it is ethanol, in some it is iso-propanol (higher boiling point and different solvent effects). Absolute ethanol (actual pure 100% ethanol) is heavily taxed as one can dilute it to drink (not that any scientists around world who can buy it duty free have ever done that *cough*). Methylated spirit aka industrial alcohol is like 90-97% ethanol, a bit of methanol and some other crap. 70% ethanol is sometimes sold as the blending solutions for markers. Some use 90%. I "liberated" some 100% ethanol to try with alcohol inks and it would not move them. I figure the small amount of water in their blending solution and in rubbing alcohol (isopropanol didn't work either) was needed to mobilise the ink. Not unusual - many things dissolve better in solutions of water in ethanol.
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich Denatured alcohol is another phrase for methylated spirit - ethanol plus methanol (methanol is a deadly poison but in tiny amounts just makes one vomit, so it is added to make it hard to drink) and sometimes pyridine (which smells awful and again, makes it hard to drink) and a dye. The actual ethanol is as harmless as vodka or whatever as that is all that it is. Vodka is 40% ethanol in water. Nothing more nothing less (if you buy cheap vodka anyway). Grain alcohol in some USA states (we don't have it over here) is just alcohol and water. The reason markers may say to keep them away from ethanol is simply that it will dissolve out the pigments and ruin them and make a mess or if you spill ethanol on your work, it will dissolve it. It's nothing to do with any toxic effects - the amount of ethanol vapour you'd breathe even pouring litres of it around all day (which I have done for a living for years working in research labs) is so tiny that no harm done.
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich thanks Lindsay ! i was conerned . i know if you mix certain chemicals together it can be toxic so i followed the manufacturer warning but i never even thought the reason they say not to mix with alcohol is so you'll only buy thier markers . I must say I like the clear blender better than prismacolors . it's more effective but more expensive .
I believe it was owing art review that had that info.
Idk if it was because of boxing Day sales or the website but I was able to get each marker for 2. 75 pounds.
I'm not completely sold on these simply because it seems as if you're forced into a specific type of paper. They are pretty though!
+jen k yes, it is a very specific product. I'd only recommended them if lightfastness is priority
Thanks Lindsay!
💜💜💜💜💜anyone have a cheaper near quality version?
as far as I know they are the only lightfast alcohol/ethanol marker but yes, if you don't care about lightfastness try promarker, prismacolor or even sharpie. Have fun in your pursuits!
Thanks for all the great info!!!!!!
Great review !
wow. thank you for the enlightenment!😉
So expensive 😳 I'm so glad I found a place that sells copics for $5 each. Works for me 😊
nice!
Just as a side note you mention ethanol like it's not an alcohol, and the orange (I assume) you've drawn in the top left has literally no structural similarities to an actual orange.
Edit; nice review though!
very helpful. thanks
This is so good to know because I hate using marker paper so I would be very disappointed in these.
you can also use yupo or vellum
I still prefer card stock for coloring on.
Thanks for the video
WOW! Expensive!
The Strathmore marker paper is hardly worthy of the title. Beinfeng (expensive) and Borden and Riley (reasonable) are the best. The Windsor & Newton looks good, but pricey.
thanks for the recommendations, these are the only ones I have used as I am a carmaker and usually use Neenah classic crest.
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich How much is Neenah Classic Crest in USA for say 50 Letter sheets? I've seen it sold in UK big box stores and it is VERY expensive indeed. What's the fuss...?
i get 250 sheets of #80 for $40 USD or 500 sheets of 24# (typing weight) for that price but I conserve it and only use it for coloring. I pay between $7-$15 for 250 sheets or normal white or cream cardstock and $12 for 100 sheets of heavy #110 (297gsm) cardstock but I can use a 40% off coupon for that LOL!
I'm in the uk rich and use Neenah - I'd not use it generally for creating my cards as it isn't cheap, but for using with markers it's great. I use it literally just for stamping or printing out or drawing my image and colouring with Promarkers. I've tried other cheaper stuff and not had anywhere near the result, buy and keep just for the use and it should last you and be justifiable.
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich thanks - I see some card makers on here (one I privately refer to as The Frivolous Crafter as they have *everything* inc a studio the size of my home - I can bet you'd know who I mean too...) use Neenah Classic Crest for making cardbases. Owch! I buy a good quality smooth card for £12 for 50 sheets and it copes and for colouring I use Bristol Board tbh - it works well. I'm doing a comparison of papers/cards for stamping and then water or alcohol colouring shortly - just filming last section.
those markers were very very pricey... (T^T)
You speak so fast And I don't speak English so well. So, I don't know if they are good or no.
$40 Bucks??? Amazon has them for $25 USD
that is a good deal, other places have the 6 set for over $50, I got mine for $18 at ACmoore with a 50% off coupon and my teachers discount
Very useful review. Thanks!