Rolling Stone Top 250 Guitarists - Who Didn't Make The List : Live Feed
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- Опубліковано 24 жов 2023
- Today I'll be discussing who Rolling Stone left off their list, and it's a lot! Lists are silly, we know that, so let's have fun with it!! ! Live on Wednesday Oct 25th 4pm ET !
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Rolling Stone magazine is and has been highly irrelevant for decades.
Exactly.
Sadly like most magazines.
@@Rountree1985 making fun of the magazine, which has the lost vast majority of its subscribers, and pointing out how irrelevant it is doesn’t make it relevant. Your point is absurd and nonsensical, but you’re too slow to realize it.
speaking of slow.....
He’s outta here…
I was struck by this list as being guitarists from bands that the editors liked as opposed to great guitarists.
Terry Kath, George Benson, Al Dimeola, Roy Clark, Yngwie, Tom Scholz.
Glen Campbell. Anyone remember the Wrecking Crew?
@@seththomas9105 Hell of a guitar player!
I've been watching guitarists review this list and you're the first I've seen acknowledge Michael Schenker. Not a mainstream name to the general public, but a hugely influential hard rocker whose melodic canvas is simply fabulous.
One of my absolute favorites since I was a kid.
Gary Moore. Tommy Emmanuel. Andres Segovia. George Benson. And so many more.
What can’t Tommy Emmanuel do? Gary Moore was amazing.
@@rickjason215 You got that right! Saw Tommy live once. Great show. Sorry I didn't get to see the great Gary Moore. He was an awesome rock and blues player.
Frank Gambale, Michael Hedges, Ty Tabor, Ray Gomez, Bill Nelson, Pat Thrall, Hank B Marvin! The list goes on forever 😄
Bill Nelson's playing in Be Bop Deluxe is an unsung hero of electric guitar.
For the type of music I listen to most Michael Hedges was a gamechanger. As was Preston Reed... Davey Graham...
I love rock and the blues and get that it is Rolling Stone, but a little surprised that Andres Segovia and Tommy Emmanuel didn't make it. Were there any classical guitarists on there?
I was determined not to look at this list because I knew it would make me insane, but I had no idea how much! It left me speechless. I still can’t comprehend how it was even put together.
Like this:
1) Google "great guitarists" and create a list of guitarists in order.
2) Remove some white men from the list.
3) Google "average guitarists that aren't white men" and add them randomly in to the list.
St. Vincent is ahead of David Gilmour. You know the guy who , according to Rolling Stone, has the greatest guitar solo in history.
She’s ahead of prob a top 3 most inspiring guitar players ever. That’s crazy. I don’t know a single song of hers and Floyd has ruled for over 50 years
@@Skwid-Lives Poison Ivy is ahead of Mark Knopfler, which is a crime against humanity. She is way ahead of Lita Ford, as a female player Lita has had a far bigger impact.
St.Vincent is 26 and Slash is 105... You know, the guy with more iconic riffs and solos than anyone on the list (except Page)! You know the guy who revived the Gibson Les Paul at a time when everyone was playing super strats!
I didn't see Rick Derringer on the list (maybe I missed him?). A childhood favorite of mine!
Super informative ... thanks Jeff.
Thanks!
What a fantastic video have a wonderful day Jeff ❤😊
Thank you! To you as well!
Happy to see YJM on your list! He's the reason I picked up guitar in the first place. Also, Nuno at #197?!?! I think that might be even worse than be left out entirely... 💔
Tommy Bolin should be on there for his work on Billy Cobhams spectrum album alone. That album was one of the inspirations for Jeff Beck to move into a Rock/Jazz Fusion direction.
No he shouldn't. Geez, I hope you don't work Rolling Stone too... Tommy Bolin was very talented, but not one of the Top 250 guitarists.
My benchmark for these lists is T-Bone Walker. Hugely influential. If someone did something for the first time with an electric guitar, odds are it was him. Didn’t see him on the list.
He's on the list at #65. Rolling Stone said he created the guitar solo as we know it. If that's the case you'd think he'd be higher.
@@DanalynTuthill-yl4hd I missed him. And yep, he created the guitar solo, played with his teeth, behind his head, did the duck walk.
Considering Smoke On the Water has probably been heard in every guitar shop in the world Ritchie Blackmore deserves to be much higher than 75!
Chuck Berry at number 2 is a joke.
Great show Jeff.... glad I don't have your email inbox this morning!
"Rolling Stone published its original list of the 100 Greatest Guitarists in 2011. It was compiled by a panel of musicians, mostly older classic rockers. Our new expanded list was made by the editors and writers of Rolling Stone. This one goes to 250."
IOW - guitar players, let alone musicians, didn't compile this "expanded" list. Probably millennial/Gen X er's who wanted to "update" it based on popularity...not proficiency...names their readership would recognize.
I really missed Allan Holdsworth, Joe Pass, John Scofield, Ralph Towner, Mick Goodrick, Al Dimeola, John Abercrombie, Steve Morse, Paco De Lucia, Andrés Segovia, Silvio Rodriguez, Egberto Gismonti, Jim Hall, Steve Khan, Derek Bailey, Fred Frith, George Benson, Kurt Rosenwinkel, Wayne Krantz, Pat Martino, Phil Miller, Mike Miller and Jeff Baxter on that list.
This list should be called The Top Rock/Pop/ Blues -rock Guitarists. No mention of jazz, bluegrass, classical, folk, flamenco, etc. guitarist. The beauty of the guitar is that it can be used in almost all genres of music.
Hey Jeff ! Ned who used ta work at 30th St Guitars and now living in Spain stopping by. You're looking great and love this video. A lot of people are pissed about the lousy RS list and are saying it's actually nothing more than clickbait for ad revenue. I'll send you my list of the forgotten later just wanted to say thanks for this and the rest of your vids. Glad you're still at it ! Take care
Hey Ned!!! Great to hear from you man! I was asking Matt how you were doing. So glad to hear you are well.
As for this list, yeah, it’s all silly but makes for a fun YT video.
Thank so much for dropping a note, really happy to hear from you. 🙌🏻🙌🏻
My pleasure and thanks for the get back @@JeffMcErlain
Rolling Stone is not a serious magazine, its Jan Wenner's after all.
LOVE your list! By the way I’m just an amateur drummer, but I’m SO happy you brought up Terry Kath! For me , he’s in the top 10 along with Luke and many others. How do feel about Jon Herrington, Drew Zingg, Jay Graydon, Chris Pinnick? Thanks Chris
Here are some whom I would have included on the Top 250 list:
--Andres Segovia
--Bruce Cockburn
--Stephen Basho-Junghans
--Fred Frith
--Michael Gregory Jackson
--Gabor Szabo
--Derek Bailey
--Reggie Lucas
--Mary Halvorson
--Emily Remler
--Monette Sudler
--Jeff Parker
--Phil Miller
--Michael Hedges
--Steve Tibbetts
--Stephen Micus
--Terje Rypdal
--Ralph Towner
--Larry Coryell
--Egberto Gismonti
--Baden Powell
--Gary Duncan
--Bob Weir
--Jorma Kaukonen
--Barry Melton
--James Gurley
--Philip Catherine
--David Torn
--Pat Martino
--Bola Sete
--Yamandu Costa
--Paco DeLucia
--Al Dimeola
--George Benson
--David Crosby
--Randy California
--Johnny Echols
--John Abercrombie
--Manuel Gottsching
--Achim Reichel
--Phil Keaggy
--Robbie Basho
--Sandy Bull
--Janet Feder
--Johnny "Guitar" Watson
--Calvin Keys
--Davey Graham
Great cast @jeffmcerlain, enjoyable as always, if enjoyable is the right word. I share your frustrations; I like most of those on the list, but don't understand why RS rates their guitar skills so highly. BTW, I couldn't gauge the polarity of your dismay at Andy Summers in at 250. Guessing you think he should be higher?
Everyone should do their own list of top 20 guitarist that influenced them.
mine wouldn't have the chic from "Portlandia" on it
People have forgotten Sandy Bull too - his Reinventions album was way ahead of its time. Truly innovative
Early '60's 1st ever music I thunked wuz "COOL"
...I didn't even know what a "Bass VI" was...
Al Di Meola's Elegant Gypsy album earned him a place in the hall of fame in my opinion. I can still listen to that album from front to back - and it still sounds as fresh as it did 40 years ago. And Rolling Stones Jokeazine does not include him?! This list is more of a Gen Z diversity, equity and inclusion DEI list of guitarists.
Ever since RS trashed Clapton in the early 70s, RS has been the permanent repository for the dilettante's consistent lack of respect and appreciation for the entire rock genre. I mean come on ! Every musician I've ever known has always regarded RS as the nadir of of legitimate musical commentary. When did you ever see an article written by an actual guitarist? All those years.. All their copy has always been penned by thesaurus-toting failed AA English dropouts, who wouldn't know a heartbreaking riff or chord if they fucked it. . .? I don't get it. Kinda funny really. Everybody knows that Wenner was one of the biggest phonies in all of American culture. Surely we didn't miss that too, right? Why are we even giving them this much attention???
Hey, I'm a supporter of diversity, equity, and inclusion, but there were a lot of worthy guitarists IMO who should have been on the list.
@@3243_ yeah, so am I. But there were a lot fo "guitarists" that were on the list that don't belong there. Some are quite goofy.
I’m glad you mentioned Chris Whitley! What an under rated artist in every respect.
He was a friend too. Huge loss.
I really would appreciate if you ´ d consider doing a whole episode on Chris Whitley. He is such an underrated artist, but what a genius in songwriting, lyrics, guitar open tuning exploration. Even more interesting, that he was a friend of yours. Great channel, always love your input , teaching and playing.
The players not on the list arguably make a better list. Ironic.
Petrucci, Govan, Holdsworth, and Yngwie.....just those four omissions make that list irrelevant. Forgot about Al Dimeola. That is a bad omission. As is Terry Kath, Neal Schon, Michael Schenker...man, lots of bad omissions.
I miss Alvin Lee, Gary Moore, Paul Kossoff, Michael Leonard “Hollywood Fats”, Lenny Breau, Domenique Troiano, Bill Nelson, Trevor Rabin, Robin Trower, Peter Frampton, Eric Bell, Martin Barre…I could do a parallel list 😂
Lenny Breau was a major influence to all of the Nashville players!
Hey, i miss loony too ALVIN LEE. TOP 5. wOODSTOCK LEGEND. R.I.P.
OOPS! Let me make a correction and an update! How could I leave Tommy Emmanuel out?
In no particular order:
Jimi Hendrix
Ritchie Blackmore
Tommy Emannuel
Keith Richards
Johnny Winter
Eric Clapton
Duanne Allman
Jimmy Page
Chuck Berry
Jeff Beck
Bearing in mind influence, longevity and musical ability plays just as much a role as the actual playing.
Honorable mentions: Alvin Lee, Rory Gallagher, SRV, Bo Diddley, Steve Hunter, Tony Iommi, Elmore James, Luther Allison, Orianthi and a few thousand more!
Les Paul, Django Reinhardt, Steve Vai, Mick Taylor....
Glad to hear you mention the always overlooked Terry Kath. But what about Maury Muehleisen?
I think Peter Green is on the list after all (62), but of course I agree he should be on there twice 🙃
BTW love your channel!
lol! I have to fire my assistant!!
@@JeffMcErlainDon't worry about it haha
Hey Jeff, Ned again with my small list added to yours : Glen Campbell, Tommy Tedesco, Clarence Gatemouth Brown, Luiz Bonfa, Laurindo Almeida, Joao Bosco, Chris Spedding, Ed King, Mickey Baker, Johnny Guitar Watson, Mike Hampton ( P Funk ), Buxton and Bruce from Alice Cooper...And one more who is always under valued and overlooked is Ollie Halsall, of Patto, Hiseman's Tempest, John Cale, Kevin Ayers and the Rutles, not only a spectacular guitar wiz but could sing, play vibes, drums, sax, keys.....
Where is Frampton? I mean really...
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Obviously we need more lists
You should do a list of the ones left off!!!!
Someone tell me which Joan Jett song I need to hear to understand why she is on this list , let alone in the 70’s on the list.
There's guitar players who every serious guitar player know ( Chet Atkins, Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, Vai, Satch, Eric Johnson, Segovia, Fernando Sor, Paco Delucia, Yngwie, etc.) and most of the fans at their concerts are guitar players because they are guitar player inspirations and innovators! Then there's guitar players who are part of the band and not the main attraction or as appealing to an aspiring guitar player.. You like the band and listen to the songs as a whole, not just to here the individual guitarist of that band. That's why the majority of their fans that pay to see them live, are music lovers and not musicians. The proof is in the fans and novice to expert guitar players of the world. We all know who should and should not be on some dumb RS poll, it's a publicity stunt for more exposure to RS Mag. I appreciate this vid Jeff and agree with you 100%. By the way, sounds like you have a great dentist :) Cheers
Ha! Yes to all of this and my dentist!
Forgot two major players from Argentina : Pappo Napolitano and the legendary Luis Alberto Spinetta. Pappo was a R n R beast kind of like Tony Iommi mixed with Lemmy. Spinetta was a unique writer and guitar player who kept evolving with different sounds and collaborations writing 375 + songs and 31 albums.
Diversity and inclusivity made the new list different. Joni Mitchell #9 and Eric Clapton #35 says it all. Whenever we don't clearly define what we mean by "greatest" then ranking becomes almost meaningless. But still fun. Edge is a good example....fun to listen to, but fewer skills than many others ranked lower. And ya, Geo Benson being left off, wow. The worst omission? Joe Pass. Poison Ivy? Knows 3 chords. My fav player? Chris Buck. The best? Mateo Mancuso, best solo ever: Elliot Easton, Most surprising omission: Tom Schultz. All these last 4 left off. Thanks for vid....always fun.
Not sure why so many people are so upset about what Rolling Stone thinks. They are irrelevant in this day and age but I'm fairly sure this list was compiled by non guitar playing reporters. What always surprises me about these lists is the number of guitarists who barely know what a guitar solo is. Surely you should be a fairly decent soloist to get on this list. Joni Mitchell number 9? Give me a break.
Yeah. I don’t care as I said, just fun to talk about. A list of guitarist not by guitarist.
I've never been a regular reader of RS, but I'll give them credit for inspiring lots of enjoyable posts and commentary, so I'm going to chime in. First, she didn't make the list this time, but I predict Molly Miller will in a future list. Her spare, yet funky, covers of classic rock songs are a treat. as is here jazz trio. Second, Jeff McErlain's riffing on list-worthy jazz guitarists, I thought of Howard Roberts and Ted Greene because of their accomplishments as teachers of professional guitarists. And finally, about methodology, I think this exercise should be grouped by categories and then list either the top 20-50 per category, depending on the popularity of the genre. I'd also like to see a category for the first-generation electric guitarists, especially for country music and western swing. There could also be a meta-category for continental or national focus. Maybe RS should just focus on Top Guitarists in the USA and leave the other countries to other publications. But there current approach is to idiosyncratic and too much about fashion and trends, rather than the test of time. Just have a separate category for trendy, but potentially impactful, guitarists. Blending everything together is a cop-out.
Gary moore should always atleast be in the top ten
Django Reinhardt not in the top 5?? Unbelieveable!
At least he made the list this time. They left him off a few years back.
Jeff your spot on. I'm biased because I love Phish but Trey Anastasio is a top 25. (53 I believe on this list) I invite anyone who doubts me to check out some Phish shows from the early/ mid 90's. Machine gun Trey... I gotta go to bat for my guy!
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Billy corgan is my biggest snub. Guy is way underrated.
How about the guy who's name is on the guitar you are holding, David Grissom?
If you keep watching…😉
Okay I like this guy... I agree with his top 4. That's important: Hendrix, Clapton, Beck, Page. Actually, pretty hard to get this part wrong... Rolling Stone.
I disagree with the top four, although consider all of them to be among the greatest. Frankly, a person's top four will depend on one's music preference (rock, blues, classical, flamenco, fingerstyle, etc.)
I would have Jimi Hendrix, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Charlie Christian, Django Reinhardt, and Michael Hedges as my Top 5.
I kinda suspect quite a few people on the list would say take me off the list when they see who's been left out.
Nah.
@@JeffMcErlain😂
Isn't Joni a dulcimer player?
Has anyone seen or heard what it takes to qualify for their list just what are they lookin for . Seems not what most of us are lookin for .
Jimmy Smith or Johnny Smith? The Jimmy Smith I know of was a B3 player.
Johnny Smith
Man, that DGT!
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Hey, isn't Jeff McErlain on it?
Hey, what sort of list izzit, anyway (?)
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Remember the Guitar Player magazine Readers' Polls from the 1980s and 1990s? And the special list of players that won five times and were no longer eligible and put in an elite category (or "all time greats"). At least those elite ones should be on there. Steve Morse is the first that came to mind for me. Joe Pass and Robben Ford, too.
How and why has nobody even mentioned Synyster Gates (Brian Haner)???? Technical prowess, creativity, musicality, innovation; all top tier! Even if you don’t think he belongs in the top 250, does anyone else find it odd that nobody is even mentioning him?
"Do be successful you have to be good. To be popular you have to be fashionable."
- R. Blackmore, guitarist
Robben Ford is not on the RS list ! That’s criminal ! Neither is Segovia, nor Peter Green.
Peter Green is on the list at #62.
quite a few on there that are on there just be be inclusive...some haven't even been around for 10 years....its a list I would expect from Rolling Stone
What about Terry Kath…Hendrix thought Terry was better than he was.
How about Don Felder??
Paul Kossoff or Jan Akkerman??
And there is also John Norum and Tony Mac Alpine, Tommy Bolin, Paul Gilbert, Richie Kotzen, John Sykes, Bernie Marsden, Mickey Moody, Vivian Campbell, Steve Stevens and Chris DeGarmo... They should be at least mentioned...
Joni Mitchell at #9 but no Paul Kossoff. No, just no.
I thought about Akkerman,,that guy was a beast and influenced tons of guitar players. Kossoff was great as well.
Lucy Dacus with her three mid albums is in the list, and Pino Daniele and Jobin are not. Americans think that musicians don’t exist outside of the US and UK.
i guess the conclusion i would make about this "list" (and GOAT lists in general) is: the greatest guitarists of all time according to "who"?...to most people/players, it's obvious who the great players are, who are the most influential, and which ones "made" the bands they played in...but, everyone's list can vary wildly, regardless...i do agree that some of the omissions cited here are "criminal"...
Yngwie, Gary Moore, Michael Schenker are on my top 10 list
Not heard Brian Setzer mentioned
I mentioned him !
Shawn Lane off list? Criminal.
Hey nice point Jeff, where would we put you ? Well for my money love your playing who cares is the real deal. Buy rolling stone there are just in magazine world you guys are in the real world, all the names you put out there are greats which out weigh most of their top players buy million miles, I guess that’s why I don’t read or buy their magazine, and never would
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I think you meant Johnny Smith (not Jimmy). Nice discussion.
Dr. Smith actually. Oh dear!
No Roy Clark? No Glen Campbell? RS never heard of the Wrecking Crew I guess.
I'd put Roy Buchanan in there.
He's on the list.
Shawn Lane, John Scofield, GeorgeBenson, Guthrie Govan, George Lynch, Yngwie, Tommy Emmanuel, Al Demeola, Robbin Ford, Joe Pass, Jake E Lee, Allen Holdsworth, Jason Becker, Gary Moore. There are many more of course, but these guys are all top 40 and they didn’t even make the list!
Did Django get mentioned??
Yes. At #70.
Waht about rock unsung hero: PAT THRALL?
The absence of Allan Holdsworth on any greatest guitarist list is egregious by any measure. Not only was he extraordinary and innovative on a level that other guitar players only dream of, but virtually any guitar player you can name out of a list of 250 would readily agree.
I guess it all comes down to personal preference. I find Frank Marino's 3 hours (or more) concerts the most entertaining, and he plays across many genres. Marty Friedman and Zakk Wylde have good things to say about him.... a top improvisor over any chord progression, most exciting playing style, most brilliant and confident technique and soloing that bristles with intensity, etc.
Ritchie Blackmore's low rating is maybe because of his past moodiness. If Clapton, Beck, and Page are in the top 10, so is Blackmore.
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I believe this is a reaction to Janns comments on his book. No Nugent or Joan Jett after the fight they had over the last time
Good point!!
Joan Jett is on there.. in the 60's or 70's.
From Australia , not having the great ALVIN LEE in the top ten let alone not in the top 250 automatically invalidates the whole list , and I'll also throw in GARY MOORE , Peace from down under.
I AGREE, ALVIN IS GOD. R.I.P.
I can think of 10 guitarists "not on the list" who should make top 5
Emily Remler.
A lot of the people missed off the list would be in most guitarist’s top 20
Jimmy Bryant
Where is Jeff McErlain, Matt Smith, Harry Jacobson, Mark Djuba, Murali Coryell, and the list goes on….
Ha!
At Rolling Stone they're all sitting around chuckling...
"Let's put so & so in the top 10...
That'll piss everybody off..."
'Hardy-har-chortle'
Trey Anastasio
I would have more respect for a list of top guitarists if some-one like Pete Pardo of Sea Of Tranquility did one.
I haven´t noticed Paul Kossoff anywhere. List should be expaned to a at least 300 to 500.
What about David Hidalgo? Probably underrated.
So many to add to the list!
@@JeffMcErlain You’re absolutely right, Jeff! I named David Hidalgo just randomly because I remembered him playing the Beatles’ song „Tomorrow never knows“ with Los Lobos. And he did so well! Right now Marc Ribot comes to my mind, and Bill Frisell (are they on the list? I didn’t check it)…🙋🏻♂️Benno
The Los Lobos Beatles cover … ua-cam.com/video/ei2i1NelYV0/v-deo.htmlsi=fS8ZP86r1-9sm5zW
Jerry Reed ?
Yes. At #198.
Roy Clark?! Tommy Emmanuel?! Chet Atkins?! T-bone Walker?1
Right?
T-Bone Walker and Chet Atkins are on the list.
Finally a mention of Chris Whitley. I thought I was the only one
We were friends. Not close, but friends. He was a good guy and such a talent.
@@JeffMcErlain damn that's awesome. I've listened to his first album since90? That album also gets the ladies
@@davedavid7061 yeah my wife likes that first record a lot. I was always partial to Din.
Have you heard this? Alt takes and original mixes. Still kills me! soundcloud.com/dannyk8r/chris-whitley-din-of-ecstasy
The two that always drive me nuts is Alvin Lee of Ten Years After. The other is Ted Nugent.
Larry Coryell
I know I'm late to the party but i believe Ace Frehley should be on the list. Not the greatest technician but he inspired so many to pick up the guitar.
Also Glenn Campbell Chet Atkins and Roy Clark should be on the list.
Rolling Stone Magazine needs the publicity and they know that there top 100 list were always 💩 and nobody cares about there rag anymore.
There i fixed it.
Rolling Stone Random 250 Guitarists
No Paul Jackson Jr. and no Tommy Tedesco, the list seems to ignore session players unless they were in a popular band.
Is gary moore in there
No.. he should be Top 30..