New! State Attorney Jack Campbell Speaks About Donna Trial Debacle
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Carl Steinbeck called the conflict dangers from the very beginning.
Carl has been spot on about this and other issues. He is an absolute gem. 💎
Exactly why I came to the comments. Carl 💯called this day one and never got over it.
@JacqueRobinson-zj6xm Everybody did! That was foreseeable to anybody that had a little brain! A highschooler would have seen the problem!
@@jrcallahan1844 So spot on that he seems more like a psychic than a Real Attorney! He predicts everything, like the arrest of Wendi by the end of the year. A Real Attorney understands that in law nothing is a done deal. Things happen and juries are unpredictable, like in this case.
STS seems to not like Carl Steinbeck. He was a guest commentator once e on STS and treated him badly. He’s never been guest again
Carl Steinbeck has said all of this was from the get-go. All that becomes of this down the road is a colossal cluster.
Carl is accomplished and outstandingly ethical.
Amazed that some of the participants claim no-one was thinking about the implications of the conflict, when Carl Steinbeck has been talking about since the beginning. Do they not watch him? If not, they are not informing themselves as well as they should.
I think they were referring to the people involved meaning Rashbaum, his new partners, the judge, Georgia Cappleman, Sarah Dugan. How did nobody in that group raise a serious red flag?
Love Professor Jo! So glad you found her.
Agree she’s now one of my fav guests
Carl Steinbeck raised the conflict issue on every YT video for months saying it had not been thoroughly addressed. He has been proven right.
One of things I love about STS is that it has experts from all over the nation, not just from FL, NY, and CA.
QQQ I truly don't think Donna would ever admit guilt and take a plea.
No. It’s not in the narcissist’s ability to do that.
Many thanks to the COE for ALWAYS stepping up!!!!
Mr. Joel you put together an excellent staff of experts. They broke down all issues of the case.
Thank you and the experts.
Carl Steinbeck knew and spoke about this conflict.
Wow! Press conference led me to believe Wendi is catching a break here. Justice delayed is justice denied. 10 years of freedom for Wendi is ridiculous.
I think we’re giving Charlie too much credit. I don’t think he’s smart enough to think this up. This had to have been attorney advice, and the attorneys idea as well as Rashbaum’s fault!
What a crazy case
CARL STEINBECK pointed this out when Rashbaum indicated his intention to represent DA. So, Carl is the smart attorney on UA-cam.
Carl Steinbeck warned of this problem from the beginning by saying this was an unwaivable conflict. In NY where I practiced law for 43 years, prosecutors would have moved to disqualify immediately. Once Charlie Adelson was on the State's witness list, both the State and the Judge should have moved to disqualify Rashbaum.
You are correct Carl Steinbeck said it’s a constitutional issue.
Well said, it’s bewildering and completely lacking in sound judgement to allow Rashbaum to dance on an ethical tightrope.
The state attorney needs not to leave his common sense at home when he speaks on this issue
This is Shakespearean. The over-bearing controlling mother who emasculates her son. The Princess daughter pulls the strings to get her way. The son, once free gets fed up and takes revenge on mommy dearest. In the end they'll all wallow in the misery they've created.
SO well said!
It is, it's like a Shakespeare play with a lot of twists and turns and self-destruction.
Im so delighted to see Jo Potuto added to your regular guest lineup, she is so knowledgeable and interesting. Lots of love for Tommy as well, he is always a fascinating guest!
This whole family is demented. Changing the children's names, such a strong message she surely must have known that would reinforce beliefs that she wanted Dan gone and hated him enough.
Love jo potuto like her common sense and nice approach
Donna can still retain Dan Rashburn as her civil lawyer and can still call him every night.
Yes exactly 💯
Maybe he’ll pass on that 😮
I don’t think Rashbaum lied. I just think Charlie changed his mind.
No trait is all genetic or all epigenetic. I love Carl's and Mentour Lawyer's videos on this debaucle. Powerful to hear multiple lawyers' perspectives.
Replay. Charlie should have been making his own decisions thirty years ago
Yeah, he might not be in this mess if he had done so. Look at the older brother.
Tommy is fantastic! I appreciate his insight!
RASHBAUM Lied... DONNA Cried.... and the JUDGE was NOT HAPPY !!
I think Rashbaum overestimated his relationship with Charlie, and his ability to influence his legal decisions. He was too confident that Charlie would do whatever he and Donna asked him to do, regardless of what might be best for Charlie.
May be Charlie’s way of “firing” DR so she get a better lawyer in his mind. He’s had a lot of time to think about all the 💩 DR had been telling him, getting his hopes up 😂😂😂
After I saw Jack Campbell's news report..This was a major catastrophic failure on Rashi's part. He needs to pay dearly for this and disbarred.
Typical Narcissist replacement. When Donna lost Charlie to prison "No sweat" she simply transferred her attachment to Dan Raushbaum her new surrogate son. All her tears at the table were due to her realizing she was losing the steady narcissistic supply which Dan had been providing for her. The guy who once said Donna reminded him of his mother. Bingo! His mom likely has NPD too.
I suspect Dan grew up thinking his main goal in life was to please his miserable NPD Mommy and diminish his own needs. Poor Dan I hope someone helps him heal.
I think you are 💯 % correct
Really enjoy the coverage of the Adelson case and did you say you would cover Diddy as well? Great guests!
Regardless of what Charlie and Donna decide RASHBAUM KNEW BETTER!! It was his decision to go forward and NOW he’ll pay the price with the. Florida board!! And his reputation has been damaged!!!
Waste of state money with all these separate cases!
Excellent group of people on this show. All so smart with such insights into their areas of knowledge.
I really am disgusted that Donna ran Charlie’s case from the side lines instructing Rashy what to do. Even though they were co-conspirators they weren’t supposed to be able to communicate. Yet Rashy was their go-between. Rashbaum should be brought up on charges to the bar association
QQQ: How often does something like that happened with Charlie and Mrs. Adeleson happens??? Will this make it till, that when it comes up again in other cases, it gets nipped in the butt right away???
Has anyone considered that Charlie sees the difference btw Rashbaum and Ufferman and realizes that R. is not a good criminal defense lawyer and doesn’t want what happened to him to happen to his mother?
Karl Steinbeck did.
Carl
Theoretically you could just have someone pull their waver during trial if something goes bad for you and force a mistrial
Right which is why you don’t use the same attorney for witness and defendant.
drinking game: take a shot everytime the host guy references his mom or his jewish mom
OR SAYS THE CEO!!! So annoying. Cannot believe how, or why he enjoys saying the CEO SO MUCH. So weird and again ANNOYING. And yes, we get he’s Jewish. Again, why?!
Yeah Joel "Diddy Done!"
"Done Diddy" surely...
Donna may not speak but I bet Wendi will if she gets arrested. Her or Charlie, something will happen soon.
I hope so.
Let’s hope and pray! 🙏🏻
Hard to imagine Morris is still staying on.
For the moment. Things could change in the next few weeks.
The new text is why! It's a bombshell!
What new text?
We love you Tommy!!
We only missed a few minutes of the Campbell presser. No need to search for it.
How is Donna Sue going to get along without her precious lil Chucky?
Another banger of a show, and great job bringing us the cutting edge of the latest breaking news as it happened. This episode and last night's exemplify why I like and share your shows so often. Tommy's insight on prisoner experiences is always insightful. The doctor helped make sense of the workings of the Adelson family, which I appreciate. And Professor Jo Potuto shined, once again. She's a treasure because of her knowledge, experience, and commitment to the United States Constitution and the laws governing this case (and others). I love how evenly she responds to questions involving the application of the law to facts. So fair and impartial. This was awesome. Thank you.
After all....judge Everett should have shut it down
Exactly !!
???? Jo how much of this is the result of the text messages that were recently discovered between Donna and Charlie? Was this the catalyst? Charlie would not be able to explain this
what was that text message? Has that been made public?
Is anyone else annoyed that Campbell is whining away about the delay and its impact on victims, his office, and god forbid people’s vacations-when it’s taken his office ten years to cue up Donna for trial! No excuses. One year is Rashbaum’s fault-how many years can we attribute to his office?!
How about giving Turtleboy a platform - he is a journalist....so....um???
I was watching STS talking about this case, the evening that Donna was arrested at the airport.
It was great seeing the press conference here as well.
Campbell answered a question I'd wondered about. Which was, if Judge Everett had forbidden Donna from using Rashbaum, THAT could have turned into an appealable issue.
Which I was glad to hear, because I'd seen some lawyers - appearing on TV shows - say that Everett was remiss to have let Donna have Rashbaum at all.
I was glad to know that those lawyers were quite wrong. I guess that's why they were appearing on TV, rather than in a court room.
Great show! Will you guys be covering anything about the updates on Maddie Soto case?
Carl did
They all probably begged Dan to take this case. Including Charlie.
There has been a lot of conversation around how this conflict waiver by Charlie got overlooked by so many people (i.e., DR, the judge, GC, and all of us who have been watching this case and trial). There has also been a lot of discussion about the enmeshment of the Adelson family. In my opinion, that’s precisely how the conflict waiver oversight occurred. Having watched this case for 10 years and observing the enmeshed Adelson family, we all now see them as one entity… Donna waived the conflict and we unconsciously presumed that was sufficient because we view Charlie and Donna as synonymous.
Yes please!!! An episode about P Diddy
Tommy Scoville and his cat appearing!
Charlie will flip. I can’t see this clown, who lived a lavish lifestyle, taking the full blast of the sentence. I think once he loses his appeal, he’ll do whatever to get closer to Florida to see his son. That will affect Wendi’s future. There are interesting months ahead.
Jack Campbell, what a wishy washy guy. He holds the murderers responsible for this debacle 😂
I believe Rashbaum's was answering STS's question with Double Speak.
AND, STS asked the "WRONG", albeit, Ambivalent Question!
STS did NOT say, "DID Charlie SIGN a waiver?"
STS INSTEAD said, "Soooooooooooooooooo, they all had to sign something ..."
"So Harley, Donna, Charlie all had to sign something agreeing to allow you to be Donna's attorney solely ..."
And instead of Dan saying, "Yes! AND WE DID IT the most prudent way ..."
He said, "Correct, and they had to do so ... the most prudent way to do it is with an independent council advising them, so that I' not part of that decision making.
Technically, Rashbaum did NOT say he has "the waivers in writing"
Omaklin.......ABSOLUTELY
I think it was just such an obvious thing that Charlie would have to waive that conflict that everyone just assumed that would be done. It’s like questioning whether you loaded the dirty dishes before starting the dishwasher. It’s so obvious…you wouldn’t even ask that.
Evil Donna survived Typhoon Yagi - Vietnam
So it sounds like the judge and the prosecution and basically everyone involved believed Dan Rashbaum had a signed waiver from Charlie (like he said he did back in the STS interview video), and I guess no one asked to see it in person to double-check him.
But also, it seems like the way the law is written might need to be adjusted. If there are two defendants being charged in the same crime and therefore could be called to be a witness against one another, shouldn't there be something on the books that declares the same lawyer cannot represent them, because of the potential conflict of interest and because a signed waiver can be revoked at any time?
Like, the law could say something to the effect of, yes, as a defendant you have the right to choose any lawyer want, except if it meets this criteria of potential conflict of interest...
I've been asking, like everyone has been asking, who's to blame, and who could have done what to prevent this from ever happening.
But it seems like the way the law is written allows for this potential problem and then everyone believed Dan had a signed waiver (Even though a signed waiver can be revoked later).
Yes to Diddy’s case!
Sounded to me like both sides are open to negotiate a plea deal. If that’s the case and it succeeds then I’d expect Wendi to be brought in imminently. 🤞🏻
Jo Po makes complex things understandable
Jo Petuto has my vote for President
They will both win appeals, convictions overturned, based on innefffective incompetent council.
Charlie has asked for a 30 day extension on his appeal case due to his lawyer having a family emergency the Assistant Attorney General thst signed the order is Trisha Meggs Pate Willie Meggs daughter
CA didn’t waive becos of that BOMBSHELL text between him & Donna.. the coke one! CA would’ve been crossed & State wouldve ruined any of his chances for appeal, cos 2xs extortion was false
You could also say that Charlie never knowingly waived the conflict. There's no proof he ever did waive anything because Rashbaum never got it in writing. And, if Dan says he was relying on Charlie's waiver from Dec or Jan, that was before a *real* independent atty was in the picture to explain it to him. At the outset, it was dumb for Rashbaum to even agree to rep Donna.
QQQ- Hi, Joel…Would you replay Judge E’s words, after he met privately with Morris. I’m sure he stated that he was satisfied that the “ethical wall” was sufficient. Or did he say “for now”, and I missed it? I mean, he asked how much time he needed to prepare…so…
Go Blue Steve Cohen!!
Yes because he can’t talk to mommy anymore
CA has a young son + might be motivated to flip in order to make a deal to spend at least some time with him…
He will never be free. I think everyone dropped the ball the judge the prosecution and defense. Quite dissapointing thst I think they will not go after Wendy now. They need Carl ad a consultant but egos are huge w these lawyers
@@Jpfinn3408 while I agree that Charlie will never be free (thank God), I can’t allow myself to believe that Wendi will not eventually be arrested. I’ve seen more than one attorney say that they definitely have enough on her to arrest her however I think this Rashbaum mess may further delay her arrest which is awful.
Skipped through and never got to a point where the host wasn't talking. Why have guests?
NO DIDDY😢
Wendi now has an extended stay of FREEDOM.
Hello. Love your show. Can somebody address a question I posted many times and wasn't answered to my satisfaction. Did the judge have the power to say no to DR being Donna's lawyer since waiver signed or not for Charlie doesn't prevent what happened before the trial. Even if he had signed it, my understanding is that he could have changed his mind at any time before or during trial. So, why agree DR to be Donna's lawyer. Is there anything the judge could have done to refuse that to Donna or is it considered part of her legal rights to choose whoever she wants? Thank you.
Next time.. Tommy , Jo, Tim, Joel -could Charlie say I have 3 million in bank, and invested in stocks so I'll be RICH wen I get out? What will he do with HIS $$$??? in prison??? What is he doing and is it still at his disposal? COE...... question next time?
Great question!
Lots of guys inside invest through friends on the street. There are even little clubs of investors. It happens often.
@@TheLifeBoat Thanks Tommy! Great to see you over here!
@@TheLifeBoat By the way you should do more of this kind of commentary. You are really good at it.
Good grief! JOEL keeos on about Wendi in a very blood thirsty way luke Shylock in the "Merchant of Venice..".Yet "do unto others as you wld have them do unto you" (Matt 7:12) warms to be caeful what we wish for others, meanwhile Joel worries about going to prison; is it any wonder?
Maybe Charlie was trying t I save Donna from Rashbaum losing her defense also?
Maybe that's 😢the 1st thing that came to mind
I'm about one-third of the way through Steve Epstein’s book, and it is good. He could be harder on Wendi, but so far it seems fair. I wanted to read Ruth Markel's book next, but someone told me she gets very political at times. Is that true? Can anyone give me a recommendation either way?
No Diddy!
DEFINITELY DO DITTY
Coul this be about harvey?
She has Harvey!
Y’all have egg on your faces. Period.
Everyone is criticizing Rashbaum, but it seems like he played the court, the prosecutors, and the media/podcasters like a fiddle. He held the trump card and could play it right before trial if things looked bleak for Donna. It appears almost certain that the Adelsons are moving as one, at least Charlie and Donna. What in the world is up with having a fundraiser for Justice for Dan Markel? His parents are multi-millionaires. You act like Donna's defense team should be acting in Dan Markel's, or the prosecution's best interest. Sure, what happened this week isn't great for those who spend their lives praying for guilty verdicts, but it was good for the defense. It buys them time. Strange things can happen. The more time she spends in jail the more time the prosecution might offer a plea. Donna may be guilty, but the only ones who are certainly guilty are Charlie and Wendi. Wendi's drive to the crime scene cannot be done by an innocent person (if you assume the prosecution's narrative is correct).
Wendi actually had a one in a million defense where she could have said that she had no idea, but that Charlie spilled the beans shortly after the murder. Then she could say (as did Charlie) that she just couldn't help herself, and drove to the scene. But that falls apart when you see that it was likely she was trying to set up Jeffrey Lacasse as a suspect. She really believed that he would be heading out of town, at almost exactly the same time of the planned murder, and she even started telling people the day of the murder that she thought Jeffrey Lacasse might have done it (her drive to the scene makes it impossible that she believed Jeffrey did it....and if anyone is evil in this case it is Wendi...just for trying to frame Jeffrey Lacasse). Even in the interview with the detective, she was putting blame on Charlie and Jeffrey, which is just outrageous.
Wendi probably outthought herself. It could be that there was never an open discussion with Charlie about the hit, but Wendi knew he was up to no good. Charlie might have said...I will take care of it (The Dan Markel problem) without being specific, and then Charlie asks Wendi what Dan's schedule is, and what it will be on the day of the hit. Wendi gets the Best Buy appointment, and has a sneaking suspicion that something big and bad is going down, and then she figured it out after talking to Charlie right after the murder. I think she actually thought she could insulate herself that way, and claim to have no idea.
But again, any creative attempt by Wendi to claim she didn't know about the hit in advance has to fall apart when you combine the drive to the crime scene with all of the Jeffrey Lacasse facts/interactions. With those facts she is always guilty in the world we live in.
Of course, as I have said time and time again, you have to prove that Donna/Wendi engaged in an overt act before the murder, where they believed that they were helping with the conspiracy. Wendi's facts after the murder make it almost mathematically impossible that she is innocent. But take a good look at Donna's facts. Yeah, the money drop doesn't look good. Using code word TV when discussing the bump doesn't look good. But she can thread the needle because she absolutely wasn't needed in advance for the hit to take place. She cannot simply want Dan Markel dead. She has to engage in an act before the murder where she knowingly is advancing the conspiracy. You have the Best Buy call, but is Donna really making that call if she knows a murder is planned for that day? She would be the only Adelson to intentionally put themselves into the crosshairs with a direct paper trail if so. Seems likely that Charlie would put her up to it if Donna wasn't in on it. For Donna to be guilty you have to believe that at a minimum Charlie and Donna agreed that to help with the crime it would be a good idea for Donna to make the Best Buy appointment. Donna can suspect that Charlie is up to no good, then she can quickly figure it out within a half hour of the murder. Then she simply goes along with what Charlie wants. She still likely gets convicted on the current facts, but at least she can make the case. There is a small path to innocence for Donna because she simply wasn't a key part of the plan. Charlie, Wendi, Katy, Sigfredo, and Luis. Those are the conspirators whose actions furthered the plan. Charlie needed Wendi to give him Dan's schedule. That has to be the case. If Charlie is guilty, then Wendi has to be guilty. Remove Katy, or Sigredo and Luis, and the conspiracy cannot happen. Remove Donna and the murder still takes place.
Let’s see if he gets sanctioned
Would he risk his Career for Them. if so he not Smart.
@@Fergie66813 He likely doesn't care. He made tons of money and will never appear in a Tallahassee court again. He actually provided Charlie with the best defense he could have. I mean, with the evidence against Charlie, it was an impossible case. Almost all of the pundits claimed Charlie would never testify. Wrong on that. Zero commentators predicted the extortion defense, which in a way was the only defense he could give if he took the stand. Most all said that Katy would not testify against Charlie because she would be easy to be impeached. There hasn't been one insight from the podcast crowd that has ever been correct, and here you have an obvious issue where Rashbaum held a trump card, and now the pundits are saying after the fact that it was always an issue. Sure, they mentioned it before, but instead of having endless podcasts about things like....the top5 reasons Donna is guilty (never once taking the other side), people should have hammered home the point about Rashbaum representing both Donna and Charlie, and more importantly, mentioned that Rashbaum could play this trump card right before trial if things weren't going well. Not a single person ever thought it through.
Someone had to know and give the thugs Dan’s picture and his schedule. Truly, pics can be brought up online, but not his personal schedule in that he would be at the gym at that time, then pulling into his driveway where they could gun him down, no children in the car etc..
@@DianeAvery-h1s I guess you are commenting without even reading what I said? I mentioned that Wendi almost had to have given it to Charlie. That can be presumed by her drive to the crime scene and the attempted framing of Jeffrey Lacasse.
They said anywhere between November and February February. No one said anything about March did they? 2:36
I worry about you Joel - these constant underhand and downright Rude references to your dear Mom are demeaning to all - Your beloved Mom - your panel - you yourself- and your viewers ! please grow up !!!🫨- a good presentation is made a farce by these asinine sideshows! Stay professional please !
Great show! Will you guys be covering anything about the updates on Maddie Soto case?
I can’t handle that one….it’s just too sad