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People have been putting up with Adobe's nonsense for far too long.
We had a license at work and it was hideous software. I've replaced most of my adobe needs with open source alternatives now, I hope this pushes more people to open source and to give donations to creators to improve the open source options further.
@@wolfie54321
Can you suggest alternatives to Photoshop, InDesign, and Premiere Pro?
I'll be glad to switch over to something else that does the same as Adobe products, or better.
@@wolfie54321❤
i don't know a single person with an original Version of Photoshop
How funny. In a single keystroke they both committed arguably the single biggest theft ever, and turned the whole world into pirates!
Imagine a crayon manufacturer saying that they own your content, can access and copy it because you made it with their crayons.
Make sure your kids don’t eat any crayons or Crayola will send a squad to tattoo them with a bar code and the words Property of Crayola. lol
I wonder if the sketch pad makers will fight with the pencil makers over which one of them owns your art...🤔
@@surlyunicorn9461 Crayola owns the marines
"royalty free license" = you don't get paid. "recreate" = selling copies of your work "create derivative works" = their AI can copy your style. The stated purpose is to "improve service", one of their services is selling stock images; it's improved by them taking your stuff and adding it to their collection (more images, better service). They can take anything you create and sell it on, you don't get paid, and you can't sue them because you agreed to the ToS.
Style is not copyrighted. Otherwise people wouldn't be able to do paintings in styles of other painters.
Also your picture actually looks like this. 01001000010000011000111000 good luck copywriting this hahahah
@@shawnwolf5961 I know this is how the law says, but that is the case before AI. Human efforts and talent also contribute in the process.
Now, feed enough art works to AI. You don't really need the original artist anymore.
That is why many artists don't agree to let others training AI from their works.
@@shawnwolf5961 yeah yeah that's totally outdated and should be changed immediately, when anybody can pump out thousands of arts in your style with zero talent it needs to be forbidden but it want because you'd need real governements not crooks and we don't have those
@@verihimthered2418 Copyright law already covers this. Book manuscripts are written on word processors, not paper, meaning they are binary code, as well. Copyright law says you, as the creator, own the rights to that book. Other art forms like pictures and music are the same.
Wizards of the Coast: we are going to destory our company by claiming rights to EVERYTHING.
Adobe: Hold my beer.
Adobe: Get on my level; I'm gonna tell them we've been doing it for years.
Time for all of us to start a Class Action Lawsuit
And not only in USA, Canada, Australia or wherever but in EVERY country around the world that uses Adope.
Then we have a presidency that can be used, to pull every other company out there like Microsoft on trial demanding that unless the police shows up with a warrant.
YOU CAN NOT SPY ON YOUR CUSTOMERS.
I don´t care what they do or doesn´t do.
Doesn´t matter unless the police shows up with an official warrant in their hands, you can´t collect ANY data from your customers.
@@Erikjustagreed
Yes let's make a bunch of lawers some big money. The rest of us may get a few dollars if we're lucky!
@@alphat4551 It isn´t as much about getting money more so setting a presidency.
IF it is decided in court that the companies are not allowed to spy on you.
That could effect not only Adobe, but also Windows and MANY MANY other companies.
Oh hoh, oh hoh, a pirate's life for me!
If you don't even own what you make on their software, then pirating their stuff is considered a community service.
How do you pirate it? I no longer want to put up with Adobe's shit.
@@incurabletrickster1191 I don't personally do, but there will be someone on the high seas that did it, some torrent floating about.
But with some of the open source alternatives being so good these days, why bother pirating? Pirating was never a product problem but a service problem. If open source begin to provide a better service, why pirate?
Yo ho yo ho*
If buying it is not owning, then stealing is not a crime.
Welcome to America 2024.
After spending thousands on Photoshop over decades Adobe stopped supporting MY software and forced me into a subscription. Now they’re stealing my original works???
Adobe lost my business when they went subscription only!
Same.
Same
Same.
Them admitting this has been in there for 5 years just opens the door for them to be suedfor every day they kept this hidden.
If its in the EULAs , it's not hidden. You have to read those before accepting anything. Don't tell me that you don't.
@@Tajarim88 it can be illegal even if it's in the EULA. Funnily enough, it's recognized in court that there are too many terms of service for the ordinary consumer to review all of them. So a judge can decide the terms are unreasonable even if you accepted them.
@@Tajarim88illegal contract are null and void at start
@@jolly1039 that shouldn't be the case! That's entirely unfair! Honest thieves are impeded in their work with this!
i let my cat click every eula and tos, proof that I accepted them
It's the classic "What's yours is mine, and what's mine is mine" philosophy.
Adobe saw Unity's disaster and thought, "We can do even FURTHER BEYOND!"
No, Adobe has been a scummy company for a while, Unity is a free product, Photoshop is not, I don't think many people actually understood the Unity situation, that said I am glad the old Unity CEO is gone though, so that's a plus.
@@NeoDragoon159 The Unity situation was unforgivble. Everything they did was beyond scummy. The CEO should never have been hired. Unity will never regain the trust they lost. I understand the situation just fine - I'm a professional game dev that uses Unity.
@@scottphillips8607 Well, what did they do?
@NeoDragoon159 What Unity did was try to create a fee on installations, not on purchases. The rationale was that many mobile games get tons of installations but don't necessarily offer returns to Unity in the form of monetization. Unity had been making poor business decisions and buying companies they didn't need for some time, so their finances weren't in the best shape and they were looking for a way to turn profits around (this is in spite of being the most widely used game engine - as I said, bad decisions). So they retroactively modified user agreements, even going so far as to stealth edit some things out, letting them claim install fees for all previously sold games. Their justication is that they own the Unity runtime, so they had a right to charge for it (which isn't allowed for several reasons, including the fact that you cannot charge for something that agreed to when a product or service is sold).
Now, here are the problems.
First, how did they plan on tracking installs? Quite plainly, there is no way to do this without massive privacy issues / the most invasive DRM you can imagine. That would force every single Unity game to rely on having an internet connection when it is installed to track it accurately. Even games from disk would be required to have that. Additionally, if they intended to track installs retroactively, that would mean one of two things - the first is that they were already using that DRM (which violates an EU law), or second they would have full power to make up the number based on their estimates. Either way, you're left with a situation of "trust us bro" as far as how they would be billing you. It would have killed games made to work offline. No Unity games on GoG.
Second, you could actually end up owing Unity money as the developer over this. Many mobile games in particular get many tens or even hundreds of thousands of installs from people who will never use microtransactions. There were some companies who outright said they would have owed Unity more money than they made on the game.
Third, it was a fee on something that the developer has no control over, and doesn't even necessarily make profit from. Someone can buy a game once and install a game a thousand times. Installs will continue long after a game is profitable, making games that were allowed to stay up on the market a financial liability after a certain time period. It also opened the door for people to use bots to constantly reinstall Unity games to attack companies they don't like.
Fourth, they wanted to force Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, and Steam to be part of their scheme. I don't remember the exact details here so I don't remember exactly what their plan was, but they needed cooperation for part of their install tracking IIRC.
Fifth, they were going to start tracking this retroactively. I already mentioned this, but let me explain. The fee was supposed to hit once a game had been installed a certain number of times. Not the fee, but rather the count, was supposed to start retroactively. Meaning that a Unity game made ten years ago wouldn't have to pay for the installs over the past ten years, but they would be counted as having crossed that threshold ao all new installs would be taxed, even though the user agreement even just earlier that year had a clause preventing Unity from making that kind of change without user agreement until the stealth edit I mentioned earlier. That is an egregious breach of trust.
Sixth, the argument they used about why they could make this change would also have given them justification to block or ban anyone they didn't like from installing or playing a game made in Unity. If they own the runtime even after it's sold, then according to their terms of service, they have a right to revoke access at any time for any reason without compensation.
Essentially, Unity would have had 1984 levels of control over any Unity made product, and they would have bankrupted several smaller companies and been charging people even when no profit was being made, and they wanted to start counting things that were made under a different UA, and they stealth edited their current UA to allow themselves to do this, which was against the terms of their own UA. Unity's reputation will never recover from this, and trust will never be fully regained. I will jump ship the moment I have an alternative that can do what I need it to.
@@NeoDragoon159 Demanded that companies pay them each time a user installs their game made with Unity. Not buys it, installs it. So if a gamer bought the game and installed it, then uninstalled and reinstalled it for any reason, the devs would have to pay Unity twice for a single game purchase. It was an absolutely scummy move and multiple developers dropped Unity and changed to other development software.
First it is the access to all your created files. And then they'll demand your created firstborns.
Imagine using some DeWalt tools to build a house. Suddenly DeWalt shows up and says, according to the contract you signed, by virtue of using our tools, in all of these ways we now own this house. 🤡
Welcome to American property tax. Everyone is a renter in the U S of A
The mandatory subscription service was only the beginning. 🤦♂
I work in Web Development and Marketing, and hire Graphic Designers to create custom images and even logos for my clients. Most of them use an Adobe product, and the contract is generally accepted to be granting copyright ownership and exclusive rights to the client, other then I and my subcontractor retain the limited licence to use the work in promoting our own services to others. A logo is a crucial part of a business' branding, and Adobe is saying they have the right to use and sell your trademarked brand and not compensate you for it, and they have this right even if you never gave them permission because the designer you hired to create used an Adobe product?! That's insane and I'll be insisting all future designs from the graphic designers I hire are NOT done on ANY Adobe product moving forward, and linking them to this video if they object to that.
“We own what you make!” - Adobe
“Oh Hell No!” - Me
This is how they stop people from making memes. And catch people who are making the memes
Lol honestly think they are using a licensed version of photoshop to create memes, more likely it's on paint
Never used it.
Never will.
U Legend
Used it
Buy didnt pay for it :D
Adobe has been crap ever since they bought Macromedia and introduced the creative suite.
Macromedia... that brings me back.
This happened because people have been too tolerant of Adobe's unethical business practices.
In short, Adobe doesn't care because they know people will continue buying their products/services.
I wish I could do the same to Adobe, but sharing is caring and you cannot steal what nobody can own. My seed-ratio is incredible, though!
Now we know where did Adobe get their legal training material for their AI.
...aaand again - should have watched the video till the end before commenting.
Adobe always sucked anyway. If it can't be done in moviemaker, it ain't worth doing. That's what I say.
Well, there's a bunch of things moviemaker just can't do, but I've always had a preference for open source software
Yeah but movie maker sucks for layering and chopping up audio especially background music. Then if I want it on windows I have to buy it again. Nah I’m good. 😂
Soooo glad I steered clear of Adobe licenses long ago.
Owning nothing and being happy since 19 diggity 3 baby!
I work as IT in a newspaper company where employees frequently "need" Adobe. I reply by telling them that an Adobe license requires their Publisher's approval, since Adobe is proud of their software and overprices it accordingly. Maybe we should start putting "Adobe Sucks" in a watermark on everything we produce.
I work in IT as well and in a previous position supported the Adobe suite which cemented my hatred of their products
If you add an "Adobe Sucks" watermark, Adobe will sue you, just like they sued Delta Emulator for having a logo too similar to Adobe's.
the scarying thing is that it even scans local files so it dosent matter if its in the "clouds" or not they still can fuk around with it
No more subscription based software!
They aren't TAKING your copyright, they're only SHARING it with you!🤑
Well said, sir
Adobe lost me as a customer and I am talking with the Professors from my alma mater to get them to remove Adobe from the school
If buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
Pirating has never been stealing. Thats just been a terrible comparison pushed by big IP owners. No one gets harmed by someone pirating, unlike stealing where the owner goes without.
I think this is for the AI function.. they use your creativity to train their "AI" CRAP
Remember that you're on Shad's channel, so it's not AI "crap" it's AI "new age of democratized creativity".
So all the animation studios using Adobe for concept art etc are at risk of all that info being publicized too? This makes no sense
Adobe’s terms effectively grants them co-ownership. They don’t own the copyright but they have all the rights of ownership for the low low price of YOU PAYING THEM!
I don't use any of their products. When they started charging a fee I was gone. No Adobe. You can go pound sand.
Kinda happy I switched to Final Cut Pro X after Adobe decided to go the subscription model. XD
22:05 GIMP is very good, and it is free of A.I. stuff, which I'm avoiding like the plague, so for me it is perfect.
i cancelled my stuff cause it literally is illegal in Australia and is a clear breach of my NDA's
Why they can be sued if someone stores CP in their cloud? If I rent a car and someone will use it in kidnaping am I also responsible for that? How far this go? Is shop owner who kept kidnaper alive by selling him water also liable?
The courts are allowing this in Amerida specifically to go against gun based companies. In violation of established US law. We live in dangerous times.
Because storing and distributing is illegal, not merely selling or creating. Online servers do this. If someone hires a car and leaves some illegal drugs in it, the company may be liable if they don't find the drugs after the return, since they are then in possession of them.
See Shad? "Data is the new oil" works both ways. If people cant protect IP whats to stop corpos from leeching from avg creatives enmasse? Oh wait....
I was a FCP editor for 21 years. I edited with Preimer for 14 months. I now use Resolve. Very happy with the system. Don't let them own YOU.
I briefly looked in to Adobe products when I started my business in 2021. Couldnt justify the cost, so Ive been using gimp for image editing, and PDF Architect for pdf creation and markup.
Looks like being cheap saved me on this one.
I have an official copy of Adobe CS5, got it as part of my college and therefore it was included in tuition. Never upgraded, would just reinstall if my computer got wiped.
Last year thanks to microsoft shenanigans, I wasn't able to get the CD to work to reinstall.
Immediately, I pirate Photoshop CS5 and use my bought and paid-for codes on it.
Yesterday I found my CD for microsoft office 2013 and I think I might reinstall that too considering the idiocy I'm having to deal with on 365.
Subscription tools are BS, they have no right to your work, pirate the old stuff or go for alternatives because subscription is garbage.
This changes Adobe's software from being a ridiculous cash-grab to actively being malware - malware that's a ridiculous cash-grab. :|
If they roll it back they will only try again later
Base on how they can legit change the ToS on the fly, it just a sign that they're already done training their AI on user data and ready to bring it to the market. The change in ToS is just a final step for them to make it legally.
Keep in mind that they have plan and work and invest on it for year. Do you think they would throw away year of training AI just because of a few word on the term of user?? Not in million years. As long as Creative Cloud and their ethical AI still there, they would never give up on their dream of user's data.
Thank goodness somebody who can understand this stuff actually reads through it and shares it with everybody else!
I bet this is to protect themselves from lawsuits from their AI algorithms.
What's that's supposed to mean?
I just switched from Photoshop to Affinity Photo 2. No regrets 😀
‘Enshitification’ needs to be added to the dictionary, and Adobe’s and Unity’s logos need to be the pictures right beside it
They probably want to cover themselves legally when they use AI to train on their customer's work...
My company uses Adobe for a lot of stuff. I had a meeting with my manager and mentioned this stuff to him and he was going to talk to IT about it. No idea if the Adobe products we use will be impacted by this but this should give everyone second thoughts about their relationship with Adobe as they could expand this at any time.
Ai: I’m stealing all art.
Shad: AI IS A GREAT TOOL.
Adobe: very well, let us legally train our models on your stuff so we can make the tool better.
Shad: ADOBE IS STEALING FROM ME 😭😭😭
What a clown right?
Oh, but wait, AI companies can use all of the stuff online because once you upload it it's free for everybody to do use however they want somehow, but when it was written in the TOS that you never bothered to read that you _agree_ to give them all of your data - oh no you can't do it Adobe that's illegal!
@@Tranzisto It's so painfully obvious what Adobe is doing, and why they are doing it. I love the hypocrisy of this guy though, everything seems to be a mystery to him.
18:02 how about you watch the video before you comment
The aI doesn't inherently steal things you buffoon, it uses references from Public available images/public domain. What Adobe is doing is taking things from private information which is absolutely not fair use
Holding your existing work hostage, until you sign the new terms and gift Adobe rights to your work, shouldn't that be, you know, illegal?
Why would you complain about adobe ai stealing artists work when you were advocating for ai art not so long ago?
But Shad. This is good for you. As an AI artist, you will benefit greatly from this, cos Adobe is stealing content to train their AI on it.
When they say that "You will own nothing and be happy." they mean that you will need to rent everything. They don't want to sell you a product that you then own.
I'm with Oz on that analogy, the liver. It's a fatal wound, but it's a slow, painful death. The face is a quick death, the liver takes time, and I know that's what he was going for. Nailed it.
Is disney suing adobe yet? I'm sure tons of their licenses have been devoured by the adobe suite.
I'd like to draw friendship crosses to see if adobe actually detects them.
Adobe just sealed their fate with this horrendous decision.
Adobe just ended copyright infringement, or just signed their own end. I bet corpos like Disney has used Adobe for some of their content... Adobe owns _The Mouse_ now. Got popcorn?
Corporations get different licensing - i.e. enterprise or pro or similar
adobe sees the unity thing and think "hold my beer"
Adobe just sealed the fact that I'm not only never going to use their products, but that I'm going to actively avoid them too.
I have Gimp and an outdated version of Vegas Pro, I don't need anything else to make content.
The license is basically what Bethesda has had for mods since forever. You maintain the rights to your mod but Bethesda has the right to license it at anytime or anywhere or for any reason and you know Bethesda is a trust-able company.
SO that mean you still have the right to license it, but they can still use it to train their AI,? Of course how else it can be, their ethical AI only train on license material 🤣
You pay an exterminator to clear your house of termites. The exterminator now owns anything I make in my house. WHAT!?
This is just to keep the exterminator legally safe in case you happen to have a meth lab in your basement.
So, basically if you make comic book and put it in pdf then Adobe can pretty much sell it and get profit from your work? I mean they do have license...
PDF is open standard now, though if you used Acrobat....
1:30 so you can sue them as moderators/editors now, with those rules?
The only Adobe product I ever used was Acrobat reader, and when that started misbehaving, I found a free alternative and said goodbye to anything Adobe.
I'm kind of surprised that Adobe is still around after nuking flash. It seems that a lot of people were heavily invested in it, either running their websites or playing online flash games.
And being the local tech guy, I had to deal with people coming to me saying that there computer was broke because websites wouldn't load and all their online games had stopped working.
I can't understand why anybody would want to deal with a company that openly admits that they'll trash all your work by installing a kill switch in their software.
literally all graphic related company uses adobe, and it is literally their main source of income because adobe is so expensive normal ppl have to pirate them. but companies can’t pirate them because it is illegal, but now they all have to remove adobe because company needs their own content for only them, and now adobe is saying we can take all that however they want… what a move… literally all companies will cancel their license, and change to new software even its less useful. this will kill adobe… i guess they were tired of making photoshop and wanna stop making it.
and if they said it was already putted in the contract for few year and recently made ppl to agree again to use it, probably they sneakily putted it in, but their own legal team saw it and realized what a huge problem it will cause they had to do it again properly. lol
but i think the main reason they did this is for the AI training. they need lot of source and just thought it would be easy to just take their users asset to train them. lol
what did I tell you but you didn't like at all ? that by using ai you were giving them whoever they are the rights to everything you did and every picture you used as base including relatives, i told you so, there is not ai it's deep learning from illegally acquired sold resold and used data, they can write "this is not a crime" all they want it is one it's not up for debate why should we listen or care what criminals say ?
I’m pretty sure that they are going to take all of the content and use it for their AI that their making. Also, the fact that they can access and delete any file that they want on your system is scary, and should not be allowed. I wasn’t planning on spending a but-ton of money on adobe anyways, but this is the final straw, this is a cybersecurity threat under the guise of a “reputable” software (so essentially a trojan that you pay for). 2024 is going crazy.
I'm so glad I stuck with GIMP :3
I bet this legal clause was added in partially to cover ai- development on their end.
Too many Universities, Entertainment companies, Corporations of all different flavors, all rely on Adobe too much for this to hurt them as much as people want it to.
I wonder how ISO, ASTM and all the legal and regulatory bodies will take this given that most standard documents use Adobe file limited license purchase agreements with end users.
Some photography creators (obviously, the ones who make Photoshop editing their life) are going with the angle of, "It's just the files uploaded to the cloud. Don't believe the click-bait and think it's coming off your computer." Of course, they address this in ultra short videos and leave out lots of details. Nevermind the overall trajectory of Adobe and tech companies.
Bahahaha not me, I quit using that trash when it became a subscription service 😂😂😂 everyone who continued to use Adobe after that deserves what they get. Zero sympathy given 😅
well....there goes everything I learned in my college program...
I might go back to using pencils and paper at this rate. Cancelled Adobe yesterday, hardly used them anyway they are so overrated. Didn't realise they had partnered with the WEF last year either 😮
Adobe has always and forever sucked.
so in theory if someone at marvel studios worked on a cut of the new Deadpool movie using adobe, adobe could turn around and release it a week early. . . . . . .
A bank uses fungible units to lend your money to someone else.
It'd be more like renting a safety deposit box, that they then allow other people to look in and borrow from.
So what are companies that use or create sensitive data going to do if they use Adobe? I'm sure that they're going to offer a private service license as an expensive upgrade
I hate Adobe, always have. And that’s coming from a computer professional. I grit my teeth every time I see the information I want is in one of those god-awful PDF files.
gimp is fine too.
They just sit a bit on their hands with improvements. Years back they had a content aware resize/fill long before anyone else had it, as a plugin. But they never integrated that into the main product despite people asking. It's been so long that even the original plugin no longer works (there is another, worse one now).
Basically gimp now is kinda like gimp 7 years ago. I think they made the one-window-mode the default some time ago, not sure, but that's all I can remember.
Thusly, they want to use your stuff to train their AIs and use your art and techniques anywhere.
Since I am not tech savvy, I am a bit confused. I have Actobat reader, free version, to be able to open PDFs and to scan, and send PDFs by email. I scan all my documents and keep them on a key as a back up of my hard copies. Do my PDFs end up on their cloud every time they are attached to an email?
If you use their cloud storage, yes.
@@acheron16 Thank you
Does Adobe know many licences cary over? If they used a open source licence material then what they made with it need to be open source.
For guitarist that use a Boss Katana, Adobe Air is required for Boss Tone Studio. I don't know if it uses the same TOS, but might be worth looking into.
Adobe aren't the only ones. All week I've noticed UA-cam replacing notifications from this channel with other ones, and then when I go searching through my subscription feed, it's buried way down the list.
Question are you a regular viewer and how many channels are you subscribed to. I've kinda noticed this as well but I blame myself for watching so many other channels
I'm so glad I switched to Krita from PS more than 10 years ago.
And what happens if I am working on a third party's images who has contracted me to help them ?
that wouldn't directly eliminate movie studios from their customer base. you need to keep in mind that these are just the general terms. for a big customer there's no reason not to have individual terms of service. specialised solutions or agreements for a well paying customer is actually quite normal.
average joes, small content creators etc, those people are affected.
I stopped using Adobe stuff many years ago, but thought about using it again a couple years ago, then realized they use a subscription service now. Suffice to say, I kept well away.
I wonder if this is really about AI? Giving AI more data…
It isn't a guess anymore at this point. Because it indeed happen and done.
I switched to the Affinity Suite of tools many years ago, and Fusion, Davinchi Resolve, never looked back at Adobe stuff since
Support open source alternatives or decent companies like the ones behind Davinci Resolve and Vegas Pro, please!
for those who is looking around for alternatives to photoshop , Gimp , affinity is a very good alternative , for video editing try , vegas , resolve., for photo catalogs try capture one ., your welcome :3