Does Adobe Really Think We’re That Stupid? (I Want You to Know What I Know)
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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There will be courses taught in business schools for decades about how Adobe pissed away so much of their customers good will.
Not only Adobe, but all companies which have been scrapping copyrighted material from all over the internet to try to sell snake oil.
For sure. I have been using Macromedia and Adobe for 20 + years now. Crazy to cancel my account for the first time. Your latest video captured it well. We all use to be such champions for Adobe and they have really taken advantage of that.
We're at a point where I have to fight off the intrusive practices of companies whose products I use, tech being at the forefront. It's tiresome and I wonder how they'd discuss this effect on customers in business and marketing. My reaction is to back off from their offerings, no thanks. That can't be their goal, then again I might belong to a minority. Greets Brad, your reviews are dope!
ps. it's like you pointed out in one of your videos recently - the image of the good guy tech company just doesn't fly any more. For a good reason it seems.
Not only this company but all the others who have fallen for the current scam
brad ily
Clip Studio Paint was going to add AI but the community said no, and the listened. I’m happy supporting a company that values what it’s users want.
I didn't know this. I have Clip Studio installed but have yet to learn it. I will definitely will start learning it and using it and support them as a company.
I think they should add it like Krita did. We need to be on top of new advancements even if we condemn parts of them. Last thing we want is lazy mfs taking art jobs from us using ai because we refused to use it, even in a somewhat ethical manner.
@why.do.I.even.try. Krita has AI!??
Would you mind explaining a bit what's going on there? It's the program I use and now I'm getting paranoid..
@@M1d.n1ght Do you see a reply because I don't, and I know I answered wth... I'll repeat what I said, no it doesn't have integrated ai, you'd have to download stable diffusion on your computer and then a plug in to connect it to Krita, the get base models and loras from sites like civitai. Krita respects us enough to leave it up to us whether to use it or not.
@M1d.n1ght
It more of an addon I think
Adobe: Copying our data is theft. Copying your data is great.
Obviously :D
That’s every company. Just look at the games industry. You buy our game, piracy is illegal!!! But it’s totally legal to make Diablo 4 into a live service for no reason, rip you off for all your worth and when we’re done, we shut down the servers and you love access to the game you spend money on.
Copying your data is our new business model
Coping your data is out right, since you're using our software.
@@rightOrWrongMyContry renting* as in paying for it.
I talked to a friend of mine that bought Photoshop CS5 or so. We were trying to figure out what actually changed, aside of "AI" in Photoshop in the time since then, and came to conclusion: Nothing. Hell; they were even proud of introducing watermark removal tool.
Watermark. Removal. Tool. For artists! You know! Arrrrr tists?
Lol, they made a watermark removal tool?
Good luck If a watermark is hard-baked into the overall design of a picture!
@@Mrhellslayerzisn't removing watermarks illegal?
@@meghanachauhan9380 Unfortunately, no
The only things I can remember Adobe adding that were useful for artists since the CS days were symmetry for brushes, lazy mouse for smoother line work, canvas flipping that doesn't create history states, and toggling greyscale for your canvas.
Besides that it is near identical in terms of workflow. No wonder the competition has been able to catch up and even surpassing Photoshop in several areas.
Moved to Affinity years back and despite being much smaller it has been able to add basically all of those previously mentioned features from Photoshop in the span of 6 years that I have been using it. To say that Adobe are lazy would be an understatement.
@@meghanachauhan9380 It should be, but many techbros are about as respectful of boundaries as murderers are to life.
Just wanna take a moment to remind everyone BLENDER is the best thing that ever happened to Artists of our age.
And following their example Krita and Inkscape also matured!
The future of Free and Open Source Software is brighter than ever
@@umpoucodetudoealgumacoisaI can’t wait for Kdenlive to mature as well. I just downloaded it last week to use until I’m 100% sure my laptop can run DaVinci Resolve. I though my computer could run Unreal Engine and it couldn’t so I’m more cautious of what can run my system now and Kdenlive looks like Premiere anyways which is great for me at the moment
Why? And what is our age?
Why? Because it is made so hard to learn for no apparent reason? Their UI designer must be very kinky sadist.
@@litjellyfish because Autodesk
I taught Photoshop and InDesign for many years. When they switched to a subscription model, I (and my customers) left Adobe in favor of the Affinity suite - and I never looked back.
Years ago I happened to be at a gaming industry conference where an Adobe representative excitedly announced that their software was switching to a subscription model.
I have never been in a room that dead silent since. The sense of betrayal was palpable.
God, wish I was there. After due respect for my fellow creators shock, I would have broken the silence with raucous laughter followed by scathing derision. But in reality...years ago...I simply cancelled my subscription and never looked back.
I can imagine.
The sec a company tries to xxx ppl i see it as invitation for reciprocation
on a scale of one to "Do You Guys Not Have Phones?" how awkward was it?
If I had been there, I'd have declared, "Welp, I'm out!" and left immediately.
It always amazes me how unintelligent and disgraceful CEOs of HUGE companies are, they somehow always manage to make some of the worst decisions possible.
Ubisoft, EA, Adobe, Microsoft, Apple, OpenAI, Discord, Twitter/X, Google, I could go on and on.
Market manipulation, lobbying, collusion/corruption...
Good luck for Adobe to convince Disney and Warner that all their visual development ideas for their next movies can be used to fed their AI without paying them
You can bet 100% these rules will not apply to large corporations. They are not that stupid and know who has the money to sue them.
Most 'AI' companies already did that without even asking, just prompt 'Mickey mouse' in those AI image generator and see what you got
Wasn't it established though, in U.S. law at least, that anything created with AI is not eligible to copyright? If yes and Adobe sells these in their stock, welp...
@@jaxkk1119 Mickey Mouse is in public domain, Disney can to a sh*te about it.
@@marikothecheetah9342 only the one in '1928 Steamboat Willie', not the current version of mickey mouse
My son recently finished art college and I bought him the Affinity suite now his free access to Adobe is gone. He's loving it!!
no adobe doesnt think we are stupid, they just know that we are non violent.
Are we? I spent 22 years in the Navy. I am anything but non violent.
@@nannuartworks5812 well youre free to say you arent. However,for reasons, i have to say that i do not condone violence against these corpo creatures no matter how funny i would find it.
haha, as the great 2Pac Shakur "an artist" once said, quote " I ain't a killah but don't push me"
@@HarleyArtStudio Artists are usually "that nerd that doesn't react to being punched until it finally explodes and doesn't stop till nobody around it is able to walk anymore."
@@Dexter01992 100%
I switched to Clip Studio years ago, never looked back. Clip studio has 3d poseable models, webcam to pose your hand to a 3d model, tons of brushes, blendable colors, and it literally can do everything photoshop can do for digital art, but better. I'm done with Adobe.
Think I'm gonna 'scrape' an older version of photoshop from the internet to train my biological LLM
Right, they do it to us, might as well do it to them.
Pirating their app is keep using their tools. They are happier with that than people think, as anyway companies typically need to have licensed software. That's how they got the monopoly and why they did not fight too hard against it (decades ago), until they saw the moment for a fully monopolistic position. My solution is using other tools: Affinity, Rebelle, PaintStorm Studio, Clip Studio, Photoline, Inkscape, etc.
Is like they say, if buying or subbing is not owning, then piracy is not stealing.
Been using CS2 and CS6 for many years..... for free.
i train LLM's for a living, and we use a process called "data annotation" and all i can say about it is, with the way these models are being implemented into every modern piece of software, you might want to hold onto that older, pirated version of photoshop. the industry is going through a bubble, an "AI bubble" and when it pops its going to put alot of companies out of business.
Also the adobe subscription cancellation fees are insane for the annual “plans” It’s so messed up that they charge you extra if you cancel earlier and it’s not even explained well in their website. You’re basically stuck with their plans for an entire year even if you want to cancel. I think they are getting sued for this.
I heard about that 45 mins after posting this video, insane!
If you change your plan to another it will cancel your current plan immediately and (for free) and start the new one. Then you cancel that one right away and since that is within the first 14 days you can cancel that for free. Little loophole if you need to get out of their hellscape.
Ironically it seems like Adobe cares more about appeasing the non-creatives (who would want to be able to type into AI to create something) than the creatives.
I’m a creative. I use Ai as a tool, not a replacement. It’s incredible. It is what it is.
And they can use Krita for the ai bs via Stable diffusion plugins
I got an ad for Adobe generative AI for this view, with the jingle lyrics going something like "I won't stop at nothing, won't be a one thing, bring it; it's coming, just watch". Have to say there is something amazing how bold and brash their tone deafness is getting.
the big problem is that every design company wants you to be a pro with the adobe suite in order to get a job (at least in my country). if you dont know how to use adobe, you wont get the job. they dont care if you are a pro in other vector or raster software, its ridiculous, its like a cult.
This is true. The advice of trashing Adobe for ever is mostly for freelancers, artists that are making an independent career, and small business owners that don't need the whole Adobe trap.
This is my problem at the moment. I am a student so I don’t know where I’m going to end up but browsing job listings being familiar with the Creative Suite is required. So I stay subscribed while I try and learn as much as I can while the software is at student rates. If I knew I didn’t need it I’d switch to something like Affinity but at the moment I need to keep my options open and need to be able to have those things on my CV.
@@thisnthat42 To be completely honest, I advice every student I meet both in "real life" and online to always master and LASER focus on the industry standard software. Whether you decide later on one route or another, you are in the *key moment* to prepare and fine tune your skills, to study. Don't over worry about jobs, focus on getting very good with the industry standard software. If later on you find a way to work as a freelancer (which is a hard life, BTW) and happen to find it more fun to work with Affinity tools, or other mid/low cost tools, you won't have lost anything! . As the industry standard applications have the wider range of features and professional workflows. Learning that WELL will make you more than capable to super easily transfer that knowledge and workflows to ANY alternative software. You will be up to speed with other tools in no time. Nobody told me this back in the day and it would have been useful, as learning the basic main skills/software later on can become more complicated. Plus, you get bad habits.
So, yep, in your specific case I would prioritize the industry standard applications (Adobe suite in 2D (video, DTP editing, image editing, etc), Maya (this one for animation) or Max in 3D, together with Zbrush and Substance 3D painter). Also, there are a bunch of fields: Video games, DTP design (publishing, printing stuff, but dunno how long that will survive), design for both the web and apps (a bit of the UI/UX route, then...which as a freaking entire world, specially UX has more to do with a multidisciplinary person that handles lots of statistics, psychology, team management, and many other non visual/graphics matters, and it's a must in that field), film industry and/or TV, just illustration (quite tough now, with AI, but not impossible), comic (tough business to survive, good for a side activity)... To name some of the main ones. Each field has different requirements, but usually require like 4 to 5 main tools that you need to master *really well*. I would say that speaking only of 2D fields, most do benefit from heavily training in Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects, Premiere and InDesign. You master all those (it can be done, in some years), and you open to a lot of jobs possibilities, many fields have in common these tools as the key ones.
Me, I handle at a professional level Photoshop and Illustrator, any painting software (I have purchased like everything mid cost out there) a bit Premiere, and basically anything 3D. I don't need to learn more, it's about "doing" projects (which always involve more learning), and definitely no need to keep tied to Adobe, been without their apps since many years. Even while Photoshop is second nature for me, due to the jobs. I have from time to time launched a trial, and when using PS I now miss the artists focused UIs and more comfy ways of doing of newer alternative software. But I am a 100% independent freelance artist, I am NOT in the situation of a student, or anyone with no experience yet, and willing to get a foot in the industry. To all of them I recommend the above. It's a need, I deeply dislike it, but for people willing to go the way of working in the industry, it's _almost_ the only chance. I got picked very early on by companies by my art skills (indeed I come from traditional painting, I'm quite older than most people in this kind of channel) , previous to mastering any pro software (digitally painting wasn't a thing in early times), but I was super lucky, and today I think that the job market is too crowded for that.
This is the truth. As long as Adobe is considered the standard in the industry, they will keep on with this madness
@@thisnthat42 UA-cam keeps deleting my comments for absolutely no reason. But a TLDR version of what I recommended: Just keep mastering the industry standard software: total priority!. It's a monopoly and all, but it's the only option if your plan is to work at a company. The advice we say of "trash them" is mostly for full time freelancers like me (I anyway learned the entire suite at companies since decades ago) that don't have clients requiring full compatibility with the suite, or people doing freelancing as a side job, hobbyists, or fully independent artists that make an OK or good living just from their art because they have their following, clients, or etc, and don't depend on any standard software (which is ideal, but a number of people can do it).
As an illustrator who has used photoshop since before Adobe introduced layers in version 3.0 I totally concur with everything said in this video. From the cost, to the brush engine and key features which haven’t changed in decades. None of the feature requests I’ve made over the years have ever come to fruition (apart from rotate canvas😆) and Adobe’s push to implement AI without making a strong stance to protect their own user base is a historic mistake, greed over empathy. Which even some Adobe employees are airing concerns. Great video👍🏼
I remember dropping PS for a few years and being totally happy with Sketchbook Pro... until that app got sunsetted and then sold. Then it was back to Adobe. I was very unhappy that day.
Thanks Adam, it voiced so many of my own frustrations. It’s so annoying how I need photoshop and illustrator for my workflow and because it’s “the standard” and because so many of my clients use it it’s hard to use/find alternatives. That being said I’m very excited when other programs show there updates and features. really hope to one day make the switch to something else
Minus 5! Started at Photoshop 3 and 4, abandoned it at CS2. Do I miss it, no. "Bring out the Gimp". Great, honest vid.
The FTC is currently investigating Adobe and two of its executives for deceiving customers by hiding early termination fees, etc. Adobe goes full Gangster.
Big people are (almost) always gangster, they have the money to afford to work in gray areas. They have the people who tell them which lines they can afford to overstep and still make a profit in the end 😥.
Been using photoshop since elementary because of my dad and my only gripe as to why i'm hesitant to switch to other software is that i have to learn the thing from scratch and get used to it... like i have clip studio paint sitting on my pc and when i tried using it was great, but i couldn't give a f time to learn all the features.
Ren with the aeroplanes here. I was actually hoping to hear you weigh in on this, so thanks for your insight! I ditched Photoshop (and the rest of Adobe) a few years back when my old computer broke and my old CS5 license wouldn't run on my new computer and I was too broke to afford a monthly subscription to anything. Switched to Clip Studio Paint, got in on massive sale, and as a comic book artist, never looked back. And honestly, I've discovered over time that CSP has a few quality of life features that makes my art process so much easier. That convert brightness to opacity feature is a life saver when working with scanned drawings, among other things.
As for Photoshop's new AI features... On a scale from 1 to 10, how about negative ten or somewhere in that ballpark? Imagine telling someone you're a digital artist who use Photoshop, only for someone to think you just prompt an AI to generate your paintings for you. Ew. Likely, the only people who ever asked for it were investors on the AI hype train.
Clip Studio Paint is the best tool for comics. You can alternatively look into Medibang but it doesn't have that user friendly features as Clip Studio paint. Still - it's a good alternative and I recommend both.
Thank you for those cathartic moments Adam!!! I put aside a 2012 mac mini that I don't attach to the web for my Adobe CS6 suite programs with an OS I don't update. Everything there works fantastically (and, I agree, have all of them have barley changed in 10 years). Also, any of the files I create on the old programs will migrate to the newer programs with no problem; If I need layers I just save the originals as .tiff files.
Pirating Adobe software is not only morally acceptable, it is a moral obligation
I would pirate it except the user experience is so bad it makes the creation of illustrations genuinely unpleasant. I VASTLY prefer working in Procreate.
Adobe products would be better pirated and blocked from the internet where they can no longer take your files.
So the pirated product provides a better customer experience.
Even if you're against piracy, you can buy the product and still crack it to have a better experience using it.
@@Mark_5150 Don't give them any money. Adobe is a nasty corporation.
Using Krita is the only thing to do 😂
@@stevemuzak8526 I don't. And on this topic, AutoDesk is just as bad.
Really getting fed up with all the greed going around. I say we pretend this situation is like Helldivers II and we boycott the fear out of them, but ADOBE deserves significantly worse than SONY; they should lose everything! No forgiveness for cannibal capitalists, GOODBYE ADOBE! 👋
As we are working for several big clients who send their original data in Adobe formats it's not really suitable to change the tools... but on the other hand, I don't really care if the rip off clients CD and layouts, which are mostly a given. in my private time right now I don't do digital art right now gladly, I am more into traditional printing right now.
I am really glad that this thematic gets discussed so vividly on the internet, so big companies need to answer questions and get under a bigger radar. Thanks for the video.
I've been using Krita and Blender for the last year as an independent artist. Never needed Photoshop.
Same here! Started with Maya and Photoshop, switched to Blender and Krita when the corporate greed got too much. Perks of being self employed, I guess. We choose our tools of trade and it turns out, there are some darn good tools out there 🤩
I use both too.
I agree with everything you've said in this video. I am conflicted though because in my workflow and education process as an aspiring artist/graphic designer/ motion graphics/ video editor. Adobe offers the most comprehensive and cohesive suite of apps that accomplish all of this without the friction of trying to learn and use multiple different disconnected apps. I could make the switch to apps like Clip Studio and DaVinci, etc., and I have most of them, but I feel like I'm trapped in the Adobe ecosystem at this point as I am trying to do a multitude of creative work. The unity of their suite of apps seems to always draw me back, despite knowing all of the crony practices of adobe. Id love to get out and still be able to do everything I am trying to do as an artist. Any tips or advice on this would be great!
If you can benefit from the full suite then it’s definitely a good investment, but definitely not if you only need 1 or 2 of them and have to pay for ALL of them
100% agree with your observations and advice. Sadly, I have to use PS as part of my career. My experience is one of immense frustration. In my own time, I've invested in the Affinity suite of products, and experience there is the polar opposite to Adobe's products. Keep fighting the good fight!
I'm in fashion and I've used Adobe since school. I liked the ai in Photoshop at first, it was awesome to remove the background on my product photos so quickly, but honestly, I think I only liked it because Photoshop's selection tool was garbage in the first place. I don't consider my product photos to be art so much as a neccessary chore though. For everything else I used Adobe for I didn't need or use the ai features. Because you're right; I don't want ai designing clothes for me, creating patterns for me, drawing for me, or even making sewing patterns for me.
I changed to Affinity and I'm so happy to have done so. A monthly subscription to 3D pattern making apps is $10 less than Adobe and that just seems silly to me. I've found so far that Affinity can do everything I need so far.
I'm not a digital artist, I'm a amateur photographer and I do a bit of Typography. But I love to hear your perspective on things because of your honesty. And you're right: I only need Lightroom, Photoshop and Indesign, but Adobe forces all those other apps down my throat. They are bullying people into buying their whole suite. And I can't change apps. The opportunity costs are too high. My workflow, all my presets, the online resources… There is no way around it for me. I tried but I failed.
The blatant display of untamed corporate greed and hubris this year is just ubelievable. Great talk, as usual, Adam.
I would love to hear your thoughts on Affinity. I’m thinking about moving over to it because Adobe is looking a lot less desirable these days.
What I love are all the updates to new versions, instead of updating the existing program, over and over. So I can start all over with my whole setup, plugins, and individualization 2x a year.
My rating: 1
I'm not a professional artist. I'm a web developer/admin, but I do have access to Adobe's Creative Cloud though my employer. When I heard about this, I uninstalled everything Adobe from my personal laptop and bought a license for the Affinity suite. I still use it for work, but I will not be using it for anything of mine, not after this.
I think there is a place for AI/ML tools in the creation of art. I think even generative AI can be useful for exploring ideas and thumbnailing, but for just popping in a prompt and getting a final image at the end? No. Adobe could have done a lot to make its AI tools useful. Better selection tools, analysis tools that could help you figure out better compositions and potential problem areas. Tools that could help pick color palettes based on mood, subject, or any of a number of other criteria. But no, Adobe decided to invest in a generative AI that is no different from the likes of Midjourney and Stable Diffusion.
Adobe, like far too many other companies, have gotten to the top and have rested on their laurels while getting fat and stupid. Instead of actually listening to the users, instead of asking themselves what would make our products better, they did the bare minimum and now they are about to face a wave of desertions, especially as legal teams in companies take a look at those terms and start asking, "hey, doesn't this mean that using Adobe software violates our NDAs?"
I have a computer science degree. I am also fairly competent with mathematics. I may not be an expert on AI, but I know and understand enough to confidently say that what those generative AIs spit out is not art. It's the output of a Vector/probability equation that has been tuned on as much data as the developers can get their hands on. My definition of art is that it's something that makes you think. It's something that was created with the intention of sparking something with in the viewer's mind. AI "art" is just a series of visual tokens that have been selected to best match the prompt the program was given. It can't be art, there's no intention behind it. At best the prompt is a design brief.
Funnily enough, this AI crapstorm reminded me of when I first found DeviantArt twenty years ago. There was a bit of a kerfluffle at the time about fractal artists. A lot of people were apparently saying that they weren't real artists since all they were doing was pushing a button. But having looked into that and messed around with programs like Apophysis myself, there's a lot more to it than just pressing a button. You're dealing with a complex set of variables and equations and making decisions based on what you see on screen. You're making adjustments and figuring out how all of these things interact.
I can see AI techbros making a similar argument, but the difference here is that you're not really making any artistic/aesthetic decisions. You're giving input into a program that's a black box and picking whatever images it spits out. You have no active part in the creation of that image once you hit the go button. At best, you're acting like an art director, picking images that someone else made and making suggestions, but not actually making the image itself. Just like an art director doesn't get to claim credit for the work of the artists working under them, you don't get to claim credit for the image you picked out from the output of a computer program.
9:46 that face is so relatable
Edit: I just canceled my Adobe subscription
10/10, the news is life changing, it's helped me realize that I made the right choice by choosing CSP over photoshit 😂
haha same
CSP is great: been using it for a few years now - the brushes are far superior to Photoshop's and even the free blender brushes you can download from the site are phenomenal.
Software companies used to put all their ingenuity into product improvements, to attract users. After a while, the products were pretty darn good, and did pretty much anyone could ask of them - and any further "improvements" were just frustrating annoyances. Now they put all their ingenuity into using frustrating annoyances to trap their users.
Spicy Adam! I like it!
I don't care for AI in my PS. BUT to give it a generous read, i do think there are people making terrible ads and super cheap designs that will love it. It can replace objects, and expand your canvas to fit the right size. It's also a great tool for photographers. Like you said, this isn't a drawing artists tool anymore. They are not concerned with you.
In Illustrator they have AI now to, and that's maybe a bit more interesting because you can prompt a vector image from nothing. Kind of crazy and I can see how someone could easily make some quick designs that way.
BUT, are these tools for Designers making work for clients...or Artists who sell their artistic vision and aesthetic
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I saw a quote recently, to paraphrase: I want AI to automate the boring parts of my life (cleaning dishes, etc.) Not to do the fun parts, like art. -- It rung so very true to me.
Its not just Adobe, its Microsoft now too with the newest Windows. They want to scrape your desktop and possibly files on your HD. I will be moving to a specialized "Art Box" PC that is OFFLINE ONLY as a result. I encourage others to do the same or go tablet, I fear tablets will not be far behind online PC's though.
It might be daunting, but Linux is already an option. It mostly "just works" if you use Ubuntu or Mint. Is it a change from windows or mac? Yes.
Are your painting app options limited? Yea. Krita works, but if you're working professionally, it probably won't do the job well enough for now.
But honestly, fuck Microsoft's bullshit
@@ratglyph Clip studio paint would be the one app I need the most to work for that OS. I will have to look into it.
@@ratglyphKrita is a relly good option, although I don't know if it will work at pro level, I am not one, but Peter Polach(apterus sabas) has used it in his latest illustrations and he is like God tier artist. And the beauty of Open source software is that when people star supporting them they start developing exponentiallly, because the funds are solelly for the development, not for the pockets of the owners, like the Blender case.
Ugh, I hate this. My life is not for sale so they can chop it up and sell it. It’s a 1984 nightmare that somehow we are supposed to just accept because our lives are reasonably comfortable and what do we have to moan about. It’s my files. You want to use them to train your algorithms then offer to pay me and I can tell you to p*ss off.
And then there’s the new AI for Apple. Kinda feels like these companies are closing in on us.
thanks for this , as someone whos also pretty much only used adobe for my whole career its been frustrating and its great to hear more people talk on the side of just how little they care about folks and how long thats been the case.
i think a lot of the younger artists are struggling to know if theres a way to open there psd /other adobe file extensions in other apps so they can save before abandoning. i havent really found any good videos on that so if there is a method to do so , would you be willing to do a video on the topic to help them transition between programs ?
I was struggling with the same thing. I found out both Clip Studio Paint and Krita can open psd files. However Krita didn't convert some later effects. In CSP I was also able to import my .abr brushes. Krita is free and CSP is a one time purchase.
I love this guys energy. After Effects is the only reason Adobe kept me trapped due to clients having to hand me AE project files but those days have come to an end.
Also stuck in an AE cycle. What program if I may ask did you switch to? I’ve looked into dozens but as an animator I’m not quite sure on any of them yet.
As a veteran professional multimedia designer with 30 years of experience, I transitioned to Affinity, Blender, Houdini, and DaVinci Resolve in 2018 and haven't looked back since. Compared to these alternatives, Adobe products fall short-this comes from someone who used them for over 20 years.
The only program I miss is After Effects, but Fusion and Unreal Engine are impressive substitutes, arguably even better.
What substitute are you using?
So davinci fusion for after effect? @@jasonosmun
I kinda feel like nothing can beat After Effects thou...
Btw, ypu think Photshop is prehistoric?? Have you seen FUCKING MOTION BUILDER??? I have seen cinema realised production using that piece of garbage, because it has 0% comptetition!
I was a 90’s kid and I remember how the US was just the most litigious society ever… too much so… but NOW??? Where are the class action lawsuits?? Where are the ambulance chasers that went after everyone? Are they all working for the big companies now? All multibillion dollar companies should start being sued right now, every single one, especially any that have any sort of subscription model. If they’re trillion dollar companies, exponentially more so.
Adobe is comfortable taking your data but wont share their proprietary code...
Thank you for reminding us WHY we create art. The process is HUGE. No Mondrian or Picasso or Sargent, Chris Sanders or Keane without process. My boss, bless him, is absolutely gaga over all things AI and it is very tiresome.
I finally cut the cord on photoshop last month. It was a tough transition but now that I'm past the change Clip Studio Paint is way better for my workflow than photoshop ever was. I had been using photoshop near daily since CS3 too. The subscription model really pushed me to the edge but the AI model training stuff was the last straw.
8 yrs ago my photographer wife tried to end her sub and the same thing happened. Month to month hid an annual subscriptions. We were super broke and ran in circles trying cancle it. We finally did, im not shocked they still have these awful practices in use. Later I wanted to try illustrator. Just wanted to learn freelance skills, make stickers on the side. And damn i had to pay out the ass for the whole suite
Pirate it! At least then everything will work fine, you won't get extorted or tricked, you'll be worry free and actually own som😊ething for once. If that's the treatment you receive as a paying customer then they don't deserve your money or your support and you deserve to not have to worry about such clownery. If they don't like or want people pirating then maybe they shouldn't make the pirated version a thousand times better and safer to use than the paid service.
Have you tried Affinity? They have a photoshop and illustrator equivalents. I have been using them instead of Adobe for almost a decade and it's great! Never looked back
@@ITBahren The problem is that the app (both the pirated and the legal versions) still puts all kind of quasi trojans and many processes that lower the overall PC performance, even when the app is not running. And more importantly, piracy is what allowed them to get to a monopolistic place: Lots of people, students, companies and whatnot, using the pirated versions, that's how they got an immense user base. I think it is much more radical and actually effective to use alternative software. Years ago that was not doable, but currently there is Clip Studio Paint, PaintStorm Studio, Rebelle, Photoline, PaintTool SAI, Open Canvas, etc, etc. Indeed, much more targeted for artists' use (Photoline is a full image editor more than a painting tool, but it is very useful for those aspects).
Inkscape is just as good as illustrator and free.
The Justice Department just filed a suit about their early cancellation fees.
Firefly : 9/10
Not for painting though!! Mostly for design and animation, for resizing, for high pace production, for achieving results in a better quality with less time.
I myself am a digital illustrator, and motion designer, of course I don’t use ai in my illustration, but I use it a lot in my design work, plus, there are parts about ai that is extremely helpful to artists who have procedural workflows, who work with node based programs and integrate ai into it, or traditional painters who generate references they cannot find anywhere.
And I think adobe is mostly trying to catch-up to that trend, and they’re doing a great job in that regard, because their apps integrates ai in an incredibly useful way, but of course they have a long way to go. And as much as me and you and other artists use Photoshop for digital painting, others use it to edit 3D textures, or to create cutouts for motion graphics, some others add or remove objects from their images which ai is very good at.
As soon as I heard the news I got rid of Photoshop and cancelled my subscription. I've also been using Clip Studio Paint and I like it better than Photoshop. A lot of the tools that artists use, CSP has with some additional bonuses like being able to add in a 3D model and change its pose to your liking. Also I've been taking online courses to improve my art and a lot of the teachers use Photoshop and I use CSP and I'm still able to follow along. One last thing is that CSP allows you to buy a version of the app without doing the subscription and you don't get the latest updates but whenever you're ready you can just buy the updates. It doesn't update that often either but you can also decide for yourself whether you want the update or not.
I did that a while ago for all my freelancing. I purchased other non subscription tools (I do get CSP through the permanent license, which has been kept for so long that I'd say is safe to state that it's not going away) like Rebelle (I love traditional painting), PaintStorm Studio, PaintTool SAI, Photoline (mostly image editing, I paint with it, too), Inkscape for vectors (Xara Designer Pro for final output of those), and also I use Blender for all my 3D, and Davinci Resolve for video editing. Really not only not missing anything; I do prefer the joy and freedom in these tools. This while I worked professionally with Photoshop for many years... since 1995 till 2013 at companies, that's some time! :)
@GHOSTSTARSCREAM Are you referring to me? I mostly used Adobe software at companies.
@GHOSTSTARSCREAM Fair enough.
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Thank you! This is the first time I've heard someone acknowledge the fact that Adobe still acts as if Photoshop is still a only a photography tool. I needed to hear that.
These apps are tool. That's what they are to us... the tools we use. I don't want my tools that I pay for to get in my way... and that's what they should behave as... tools. But they behave as the eyes and ears for the Adobe company to use us as data mining resources... just like Facebook and Google does. I refuse to call them Meta and Alphabet.
I'm a comic book artist, illustrator (occasionally), and recently, an animator hobbyist. And I couldn't care less about Adobe. I find everything I need with free and open-source software like Krita, Blender, Unreal Engine, Quixel/Megascans, Audacity, Cascadeur (not free anymore), DaVinci Resolve, Nvidia Omniverse, Pencil 2D, the good old Sculptris, and a TON of add-ons. (I actually have a super old Photoshop CD that came with one of my first Wacoms, that's all I have from Adobe. Oh, yeah, and an Adobe PDF converter).
Note: Krita has an AI integration, but only if you install the Stable Diffusion addon, which uses ControlNet and LoRA.
@@ELECTR0HERMIT Yup. Indeed :)
10 year ago when i decide to start digital painting i start with Adobe Photoshop but i give up because you could not organize you brush into a folder you want i had to scroll just to use a brush and after that i felt so restrict what i could do so i try manga studio and until day i didnt regreat it.
-5 excitement on AI in photoshop. It does nothing for my process except annoy me with "tips" and "demos" every time i open the app.
also my pc tanked like shit after the latest update, because of all the ai features. To be fair this might be fixed be going to a previous version, but just the idea of this ai stuff being in there and therefore making my experience worse drives me up the wall
There’s nothing new I can add to do this but I do want to do my part and make an awareness video. I’d only use to recommend Adobe. Now I want to spread the word on thier competitors
Photoshop's AI generative art function is the biggest garbage innovation that accommodates and appeals to talentless hacks who refuse to draw a circle with an ordinary pencil. people like PewDiePie are living PROOF that practice develops skill.
From where I'm from, a legit adobe illustrator monthly sub costs about as much as half the monthly rent of one-bedroom studio apartment. This is why localizing prices across global regions is important. No one here, even the professional folks would buy a subscription, because the pirated ones work fine, and doesn';t cut into half our rent.
0/10-not only is Gen AI unnecessary in photoshop but they aren’t honest about which features trigger the “Made with AI” label on Facebook
Until big companies, publishers, agencies dump Adobe, freelancers are stuck with them. I'd love to use Affinity, but my clients would not accept these files.
That is why Adobe knows whatever they do, everyone has to suck it up and live with it. Adobe is a proper monopoly. There is no true alternative or competition to photoshop, lightroom, After Effect, and Acrobat.
What do you mean? Affinity can still export to Adobe-friendly file types. I haven’t had a problem switching between programs for editing.
@@Window4503 Because clients require native Adobe files. Mine do anyway! (InDesign in my case)
You can export them in different Adobe formats.
@@Window4503 It's not perfect but works. the problem are fonts. They're not editable after export. But beside that it works nice. In the past I've been contracted for some time in one company where PSDs were needed and being able to save PS format saved my ass.
Oh, look. It's the same grievances I had as a student in 2014. I literally had my professor try and tell me "but $50+ a month isn't that bad" when I was living on $640 monthly. I downloaded FireAlpaca and GIMP and Inkscape and didn't look back. My diploma was literally just an Adobe tutorial because "it's industry standard to use Adobe".
0/10 I had to look through a state registry to find who asked for that AI stuff and yet couldn't find one.
Thanks for making this video. What makes me glad is that after so many years of basically no competition, Adobe is finally starting to get some. Whether it be DaVinci Resolve or Clip Studio Paint etc, they need to earn peoples’ trust back. And this certainly isn’t helping
8:38 Not exactly, I have really, really old version of Photoshop that lack certain features. Though a person who is trained to use the old version can make an artwork or edit like the modern versions can, some features are something you "unlock" or need to know to make it be possible.
In other words the old Photoshop was still a Swiss-Army knife but some tools are hidden to the casual user.
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This was a very good and honest talk.
I follow your channel for a couple of years now and next to what you show during your talks, I learned a lot about who I am and were I'm standing as an artist by listen to your talks.
Since I can't afford Apple products, I chose a different approach.
I use Linux as my OS and Krita as my painting application.
Both are working very well, the Wacom tablet support is great and as the best part... it's free, like free beer and it's open source which means no big tech company will put it's greedy hands on it.
The day I heart about the EULA update from Adobe and the CoPilot+ and Recall debacle from Microsoft, I knew I made a good decision to jump on Linux.
Thanks for your good work, can't wait for new and hopefully more positive content.
Greetings from Germany.
Adam, I agree 100%, but for one thing: that Photoshop is still necessary. I'm an art teacher, I teach comics in a fine art academy here in Italy (other than being an illustrator, a storyboard artist and a concept artist).
I teach and use Clip Studio and completely switched from Adobe. The only thing these apps can't do and Adobe does right is RGB to CMYK. Don't know why, even if there's Affinity which is my go to for desktop publishing since I finished my studies back in 2017.
So yeah, I guess it's time for a complete switch.
#adobemerda
I've been using Photoshop for 2 decades, I have to agree that it hasn't changed much over that period with respect to features designed for designers and artist. Thus us ironic because one of John Knoll founder of Adobe worked in VFX with ILM. His reason behind developing the software was to make his work easier. So it was infact developed with art in mind. Somewhere along the way they obviously lost sight of this.
notice how almost every company that become triple A,
they become more shady and more of a Gov asset, with less privacy and less caring about their users.
it become essential now to move to new indie companies everytime one get greedy and bigger .
yes we lose our comfort and a lot of features everytime we switch, but its necessary
Wish Krita got hyped and funded because it is open source and doesn't need any Apple product specifically to run
Saame I've been using Krita for years and I wish it got the funding it needs to be better
Colorslive on the bloody 3ds in 2011 had pinch and rotate. The switch version allows pixel art an new stroke brushes. Meanwhile adobe is the same program with high cpu usage for a port / tweaked port with high prices
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Would love to see you try Krita one day, Adam.
Just one evil corp after another. Hearing from Ubisoft to Google removing their "Don't be evil" motto. It's just one big TV show starring each company and how they fall.
All of these big corporations bullying your money out of you or data, are about to get a wake up call. Consumers are not zombies. Especially creative people. We all should unite and stop purchasing from them. We should publicly denounce them. DJI, APPLE, SAMSUNG, the list goes on. Until they won't drop their subscription model, dont buy anything from them. It's time to show them that bullying your clients will end u
I agree with what you're saying but as a cosplayer I genuinely find the generative fill / AI removal tool game-changing in how much time and effort is saved editing my photos, from removing fly-aways to adding in tiny details here and there. As an artist though, I've never once thought photoshop was even possible to be used for drawing... aways used clip studio, medibang, and other drawing programs and import to PS for final touches... and drawing wise, I can't EVER see the generative fill being useful for that, but I don't think it was the intention/target for AI to be for artists, I thought it was just their targetting the photo editor customers.
I understand that if your majority of customer base is illustrators then releasing AI to please a tiny section of fantasy photographers seems absturd but that release is actually what pushed me to renew my photoshop license and streamlined my editing process, so I am greatful of its existence.
However I like to make videos for my own hobby/enjoyment and do NOT like that I have to pay for separate licenses just to have access, or pay like $600 for the full adobe license where I won't even use most of the apps... plus their discontinued ipad to laptop support for video editing was a nightmare to deal with. On top of this I am paying for everything as a full time University student who only works one 4hr shift a week which really takes a dent out of my savings. Previously I had a friend who gave me a pirated version of adobe cloud, but I got a warning message of being banned completely from adobe, which forced me to start paying. It sucks too when I pay for the yearly licence but can only use it for 2-3 months per year due to being busy with my double degree Chemical Engineering x Language studies in University....
I wish adobe started to come down to earth a bit and get in touch with their true customer base one day, otherwise some giant company needs to step in and make something better somehow to prompt competition.. this is not on :(
Not exciting for (most) artists, but exciting for consumers of art. Particularly in the business world. Where they would normally have to hire artists to do design work for advertising, product launches, social media posts, videos, they can now see a world where the computer will generate it for them in seconds. 90% of the general public can't tell the difference.
Technology has always worked this way. Craftsman used to build things (chairs, tables etc.) one by one and the good ones were highly sought after. Eventually, machines were built to mass produce such items all day long. Now, only a few (wealthy usually) people will seek out a craftsman to build things for them.
1! Affinity are doing it right. You pay once and for future updates and you own the shit!
-∞, dread is all I feel for AI
I dropped Adobe a long time ago, but the only thing I did keep was Fresco since it was so much better than the Photoshop iPad app. I think it was something like only $12 a year, and I have been fairly impressed with it so far (for the type of work that I personally do). But since everything that's gone down with Adobe I'm not sure I want to keep it now... just because I'm so disgusted with Adobe. And like you said, there's SO many other great apps out there.
0/10 for firefly. I’ve been thinking the same things Adam, thanks for saying it. They aren’t making decisions for long term users, are they?
Also why I still use photoshop 2021 lol
The only reason people would want ai with Photoshop is is they are editing out something from a picture. For example they want to get rid of a photo-bomber and the ai will not only delete the unwanted, but also fill in the now missing background.
I also teach digital illustration, and all my students use CSP. It's just so much better. I cancelled my Adobe Subscription this month and will also turn to CSP. Thank you for speaking out on this issue with the ramping greed of Adobe!
I just bought my first mirrorless camera. The r8, and one of the first things I did was look into getting photoshop. When I saw it was a subscription service, they lost my interest in their business.
A subscription could be an option, but if I can't buy the program outright, it's a deal breaker!
I don't need an extra monthly bill!
Not to mention the screening of personal photos!
they got caught ( by a few of us on CNET) and had to roll back their TOS about owning your cloud stored works in 2003.
the music is very distracting =(
Been using Affinity apps on the iPad Pro as a graphic designer for 3.5 years now and I’ve never wanted AI except for maybe vector-tracing. Affinity on the iPad is desktop-grade and all 3 Affnity apps cost me less than $50 for a perpetual license. Adobe could learn a thing or two from the company that people are leaving their expensive software to.
planning to switch to alternative app already..👍
Thank you for the video!
Love you man! Thanks for this vid.. a question/suggestion/idea (?) ..how about one day to make a vid about how visual arts specially drawing /painting contribute to human development in society,.. im not saying it should be a topic about human brain -consciousness- psychology etc.. but still , artist like myself and others I’ve been In touch with seems to have this kind of mmm diminishing undervalued cloud (?) over and around,.. but by the other hand visual arts specifically 2d drawing and painting through the skills a human artist learned they give humans ,society so much,.. and now this thing about ai scraping art co. Investing millions to what ? To generate images ? (I know its not the only goal but im trying to stay inside the art topic). Maybe human art human artistic envisions, the process making art the experience of doing it like u said ,.. sometimes through a question ,somentimes with already an answer sometimes finding a way to how to shout it better .. in digital painting or traditional.. maybe we are more powerful and what we do is more important than we comprehend (?). Sorry i deviated from a friendly proposal idea (maybe a dumb one idk) to a rant . -____-u
-9001. 😒
Despite the competition, I feel like Adobe feels they can still get away with this shit because it's somehow STILL an "industry standard".
The only reason why I got the free Photoshop 2 was because I was told that learning digital art was the way to break into the industry. Since then, that variation is "obsolete"?
Yeah, I have Clip Studio Paint now. Screw that
One. This my last year subscribing to Photoshop. CSP works for me.
Funnily enough, I never really bothered to use photoshop until I was studying art in college (school paid for it). I started using Manga studio 5 in middle school, which eventually evolved into Clip Studio Paint (lucky me). I still prefer Clip Studio Paint despite being forced to use photoshop in school. I can’t wait for the day Adobe is no longer industry standard, there are so many better options.
Even before Adobe went to subscription, I had to buy the software 3 times over the years just to keep up with the operating systems I was using: I use Clip Studio Paint almost exclusively now and the brushes are far superior to Photoshop's and I still sometimes use the last (pre-subscription) copy of Photoshop that I bought.
I'm not an artist but have used Photoshop, PSP, Corel and other apps for my hobbies in the past. Some 15 years ago Thinkpad laptops came with Adobe software (Photoshop and some other apps I don't remember - all in "Elements" edition). They worked at first, but when I wanted to install them some time later, after Windows reinstalation, they wouldn't activate. It was the moment I knew Adobe would screw me over if they get a chance so I moved to other software.
3. But I never paid $1k for the full program. I bought one full program (maybe $400?) then paid a few hundred for the upgrade, for every other one. I was never wealthy - but I never thought it was extravagant. I made sure I upgraded to the latest stand alone version when they first offered the subscription (2012??) and never saw the reason to pay a monthly fee. It still does everything that I need - although I am looking for another photo editing software - just to see if they are more robust. But based on what you said, it sounds like all that monthly fees that so many people said was going to give you the latest and greatest, instantly - never happened.
Affinity looks good from my first impressions.
Absolutely agreed. If you haven't seen the writing on the wall yet, now's the time.
I’ve been using photoshop since 1996. The only reason I use Adobe software is because of After Effects. If there was an alternative, I would be using Affinity software. Screw Adobe.
There are problems with After Effects that I’ve been waiting on fixes… for almost 30 YEARS
You could say the same for Microsoft Office; very very good point Adam - thanks 😊
So I do not use cloud services. All my photos are stored locally on my external hard drives. Can they still use these? I do most of my editing offline and only go online when browsing the net??????
I agree with this sentament. On the flip side as a graphic designer who uses photoshop for 70% of my work these Ai tools are definitely something i am looking forward to. I cant tell you how many times im working with a crappy photo or need some more background to an image and these new Ai tools are so helpful for that. Do i see them as having any real use or place in an artists tool box, nope.
I think this aligns with your message that adobe doesnt give a shit about artists and is just focused on businesses and commercial creativty (like graphic design)