"What would you know of struggle, Perfect Son? When have you fought against the mutilation of your mind? When have you had to do anything more than tally compliances and polish your armour?" [...] "The people of your world named you Great One. The people of mine called me Slave. Which one of us landed on a paradise of civilization to be raised by a foster father, Roboute? Which one of us was given armies to lead after training in the halls of the Macraggian high-riders? Which one of us inherited a strong, cultured kingdom? And which one of us had to rise up against a kingdom with nothing but a horde of starving slaves? Which one of us was a child enslaved on a world of monsters, with his brain cut up by carving knives? Listen to your blue-clad wretches yelling of courage and honour, courage and honour, courage and honour. Do you even know the meaning of those words? Courage is fighting the kingdom which enslaves you, no matter that their armies outnumber yours by ten-thousand to one. You know nothing of courage. Honour is resisting a tyrant when all others suckle and grow fat on the hypocrisy he feeds them. You know nothing of honour." Angron addressing Roboute Guilliman during the Shadow Crusade.
@@NorlandKalgara A short summary of it was Robute calling Angron a slave to his past mostly due to the fact that he never let his past go and let it eat away at him.
I don't get angron's point. Robute did fight tyrants and against hypocrites, so why is he screaming that robute does not know courage and honor? In my perspective angron is both jealous and frustrated.
@@worldman3218 ofc he is. Papasmurf got everything to begin with. While angron had to lead a revolt of gladiators and slaves. He is kinda like Spartacus. He wanted to die on nuceria but the Emperor denied his wish. So he hated all of the imperium from the begining and guiliman is the posterboy of the imperium.
Roboute Guilliman, more than anyone else in the Imperium, understands that the best way to win against all odds is to shift the odds themselves. Heroism is a band-aid. Organisation and logistics are proper surgery.
Not the best tactician nor the greatest warrior, but one thing sets him apart from all his brothers, he's the best diplomat and empire builder second only to the emperor. If rebuilding the imperium is your goal, then he is your best bet, because he can easily weave through the many redundant and inefficient beauracracy of the imperium.
space marines were ultimately expendable and suitable only for specific needs in the emperor's eyes, as had been the thunder warriors. there could very well have been no place for them in his final vision of the galaxy. The fact that Guilliman deduced this, and made every effort in shaping his legion so that outcome would not come to pass just shows how ahead of the curve he really is. Its the most profound effort that any of the primarchs ever made. I dont understand why he is so hated.
I think its by people who just pick something to hate and just stick with it. I also know the "older" Ultramarines canon (prior to the HH novels that focused on Guilliman) made them out to be the best and brightest space marines, with no flaws and who were better than all the other legions. Many never got past that original hate and, I believe, nowdays a lot of people just hate on them jokingly because they got somewhat retconned by the more modern novels.
GrimDark Narrator this ^^^ It’s honestly quite annoying seeing people still use the term “Smurf” seriously. It’s gotten so old already that it’s become a joke in itself.
Papa Guilliman sometimes known as ‘The human cogitator’.(Warsmith Khrossus Iron Warriors 134th Grand Company) No one can replace The One and The Only: Roboute Guilliman. The Codex Astartes does not support this action! DUH.
My favorite ultramarines are the nemesis chapter from 30k that wasnt down with nobility and was all about nuclear missles phosphex and rad weapons. Aka Dark Smurfs
@@GrimDarkNarrator it's a shame really that the ultra marines get a lot of hate but at the same time it's understandable as in the early day's they got all the love were the rest got very little. Me I just like the fact that it was the ultra marines who held the emperor relam together after the civil War and not only that I also like the way they take planet's because they don't just leave it once their done they make sure the planet can look support itself before they move on.
"What would you know of struggle, Perfect Son? When have you fought against the mutilation of your mind? When have you had to do anything more than tally compliances and polish your armour?" [...] "The people of your world named you Great One. The people of mine called me Slave. Which one of us landed on a paradise of civilization to be raised by a foster father, Roboute? Which one of us was given armies to lead after training in the halls of the Macraggian high-riders? Which one of us inherited a strong, cultured kingdom? And which one of us had to rise up against a kingdom with nothing but a horde of starving slaves? Which one of us was a child enslaved on a world of monsters, with his brain cut up by carving knives? Listen to your blue-clad wretches yelling of courage and honour, courage and honour, courage and honour. Do you even know the meaning of those words? Courage is fighting the kingdom which enslaves you, no matter that their armies outnumber yours by ten-thousand to one. You know nothing of courage. Honour is resisting a tyrant when all others suckle and grow fat on the hypocrisy he feeds them. You know nothing of honour."
Angron addressing Roboute Guilliman during the Shadow Crusade.
Then what Roboute answers to Angron ? I mean in that conversation.
@@NorlandKalgara A short summary of it was Robute calling Angron a slave to his past mostly due to the fact that he never let his past go and let it eat away at him.
@@patton5283 Angron's fate was sealed anyway as the butcher nails were killing him and even his primarch abilities couldn't sustain him any longer.
I don't get angron's point. Robute did fight tyrants and against hypocrites, so why is he screaming that robute does not know courage and honor? In my perspective angron is both jealous and frustrated.
@@worldman3218 ofc he is. Papasmurf got everything to begin with. While angron had to lead a revolt of gladiators and slaves. He is kinda like Spartacus. He wanted to die on nuceria but the Emperor denied his wish. So he hated all of the imperium from the begining and guiliman is the posterboy of the imperium.
Thank you, remembrancer.
My pleasure, lord.
Roboute Guilliman, more than anyone else in the Imperium, understands that the best way to win against all odds is to shift the odds themselves. Heroism is a band-aid. Organisation and logistics are proper surgery.
Amen to that.
Not the best tactician nor the greatest warrior, but one thing sets him apart from all his brothers, he's the best diplomat and empire builder second only to the emperor. If rebuilding the imperium is your goal, then he is your best bet, because he can easily weave through the many redundant and inefficient beauracracy of the imperium.
He did write the literal book on all Astartes strategy though.
space marines were ultimately expendable and suitable only for specific needs in the emperor's eyes, as had been the thunder warriors. there could very well have been no place for them in his final vision of the galaxy.
The fact that Guilliman deduced this, and made every effort in shaping his legion so that outcome would not come to pass just shows how ahead of the curve he really is. Its the most profound effort that any of the primarchs ever made. I dont understand why he is so hated.
I think its by people who just pick something to hate and just stick with it. I also know the "older" Ultramarines canon (prior to the HH novels that focused on Guilliman) made them out to be the best and brightest space marines, with no flaws and who were better than all the other legions. Many never got past that original hate and, I believe, nowdays a lot of people just hate on them jokingly because they got somewhat retconned by the more modern novels.
GrimDark Narrator this ^^^
It’s honestly quite annoying seeing people still use the term “Smurf” seriously. It’s gotten so old already that it’s become a joke in itself.
He always comes to late to rescue his father.
/sadface.
It’s funny, guilliman is the name of a bureaucrat in asimovs story “all the troubles of the world”. I love finding where gw finds their names
At least they usually rip off good stuff.
@@GrimDarkNarrator Oh definitely, so many names come from Shakespeare its crazy.
Papa Guilliman sometimes known as ‘The human cogitator’.(Warsmith Khrossus Iron Warriors 134th Grand Company)
No one can replace The One and The Only: Roboute Guilliman. The Codex Astartes does not support this action! DUH.
It does support your words though.
My favorite ultramarines are the nemesis chapter from 30k that wasnt down with nobility and was all about nuclear missles phosphex and rad weapons. Aka Dark Smurfs
They got reined in by Guilliman at the end of that story, though.
@@GrimDarkNarrator sad
At least we have Auroras Chapter left.
Armoured Warfare and Mechanized Infantry but with proper logistic support.
Very well done!
Thank you.
Great that i found this channel after the primarch series has concluded. So i can watch them all
Lucky you. Got dozens of videos to go through.
Thanks for the vid sir.
You're welcome.
in before the Salt! lol Great vid as always.
Thanks for the video grim as I have said before I'm a ultra marine player so Really enjoyed this
Great to hear!
@@GrimDarkNarrator it's a shame really that the ultra marines get a lot of hate but at the same time it's understandable as in the early day's they got all the love were the rest got very little. Me I just like the fact that it was the ultra marines who held the emperor relam together after the civil War and not only that I also like the way they take planet's because they don't just leave it once their done they make sure the planet can look support itself before they move on.
Just wanted to let you know that I really appreciate your work! Keep it up, thank you!
Thanks for the support :)
Fun fact: In some non english speaking countrys he is called robout guilliaum , meaning william in french
That's interesting indeed. His name does sound french in the way its written.
I AM YOUR HOST THE PAPA SMURF NARRATOR!
Finally!
I wonder if he would have made a better ruler than the Emperor sometimes
From a purely administrative way, he probably would've. The Emperor had to split his attention in too many directions and fields.
Why do I get such big Augustus vibes from Papa Smurf?
Maybe because the Ultramarines are based on the Roman civilization :D
First to say another great video, don’t forget those likes for GDN, May the emperor bless you All
Thanks.
papa smurf of the ultra smurfs
Girllyman yeah 😝
gabriel barraza More manly than you’ll ever be
Wait a minute. Yamiks?
Is this the last one? I've lost count.
Matthew Coleman yep sadly unless he does theories on the 2 lost ones
This is indeed the last one. All 18 primarchs talked about surprisingly.
Is it me, or does the Grimdark Narrator speak English with a Norwegian accent?
its romanian actually.