URIEL VENTRIS AND THE SHRINE OF ROBOUTE GUILLIMAN
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- Опубліковано 19 лип 2020
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Today we're taking a stroll down memory lane... and taking a look, at the shrine of Ultramarines Primarch, Roboute Guilliman. Where he sat, locked in stasis, for ten thousand years... until his eventual return to the Warhammer 40,000 table top!
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Yeah the mythological aspect of the primarchs 20 years past was quite a thing to tease the mind. I am glad I lived this far to see the story progress. That and bannerlord.
hahah bannerlord nice one
Wish Games workshop or someone else creates a cinematic of Guilliman's revival
Also its very cool how the novels made Robute go from one of the boring to one of the finest primarchs
Imagine seeing the chaos space marines charging roboute and him just giving them a beat down. Absolutely amazing
That credit needs to go exclusively to Abnett. Know No Fear and The Unremembered Empire are two of the best novels out of the HH series and one of the main reason is because of jow awesome he made Guilliman.
Meh, still the Papa Smurf, with some shiny blue upgrades.
Still a boring ass Primarch.
Also, he always hated Lorgar and took sick pleasure in raising Lorgar’s perfect city.
His facimalily of “regret at destroying Lorgar’s city” was political bullshit.
He took fucking damn pleasure.
Girly man was responsible for turning Lorgar.
Emperor Constantine 1. U sound mad my guy
@@fmbrown8566 I'd say he sounds more ignorant. It's hilarious when people make total fools out of themselves for spouting off about lore they have no idea about.
Still remember when I read the lines about his resurrection - despite all the evidence I couldn’t believe: “He can’t get back. This is impossible. GW just toying with us”... And then he did return, and it became one of the precious moments of 40k.
There is a lot of pushback against the primarchs returning however it has been long enough for a real shakeup in the lore. And the models are absolutely incredible.
Its scenes like these that make Dark Imperium so good for me, as you get things like Ventris actually meets his Primarch ...
Makes you wonder what that's like.. Astartes can live for centuries and the ultramarines were the only chapter to have access to their primarch.. Visiting him on his throne, frozen in time, seeing him sat there with the sword of the emperor across his lap.. I wonder how it would truly feel to have seen your gene sire hundreds possibly thousands of times asleep and effectively dead then one day seeing him rise and lead his sons once again..
@@lavatun we do not have to the Dark Imperium has the scene with Ventris Meeting the Primarch and WLR has a video with the scene and I lvoe it.
I Cato Sicarius heard my lords name so I warped her immediately courage and honour
I CAST FIST!!!
So you Cato Sicarius, heard the name of the Primark of you, Cato Sicarius and decided to wrap yourself Cato Sicarius straight over to show your love and support for your Primark, the Primark of yourself Cato Sicarius...well I'm glad to know that Cato Sicarius and thank you for show your support Cato Sicarius...haha lol gotta love good ol' Cato Sicarius...
I Cato Sicarius heard Darth Gorthaur say Cato Sicarius so I Cato Sicarius must reply, also let’s meet HERi... I mean friend
@@Alpharius708 haha you Cato Sicarius are true legend of the imperium...hail Cato Sicarius
Hail, Cato Sicarius, greatest of the ultramarines.
I was never a son of Gulliman.. But please.. PLEASE my lord! Tell us the story of his reawakening!! I could only hope to imagine the wonder and fear of seeing lord gulliman's eyes move for the first time!.. Did he sigh? cough? Was he able to stand? Or did he stumble?
The Gathering Storm : return of the Primarch
Apologize for making this a sob story but the scene you talking about had such an impact on me as a kid, long before the heresy series was released and the primarchs became so familiar they felt like legends from an unknown past! I was 16 and homeless at the time, sofa surfing around friends' houses, I'd work at Macy's during the day and then spend the afternoons in the library so i didn't get under people's feet that had taken me in. One time I'd borrowed the Ultramarines omnibus from the library and sat in the seating area upstairs most of the day reading it. I remember the scene at the shrine of Robute and thinking. Wow, an actual primarch! in the flesh! when they hinted at a possibility of him waking up I was blown away. I remember wondering how long away that would be. Some point far in the future. Would I still care? would my life still be shit? I walked home that night after the library closed feeling like time was moving to slow and all the things I wanted would never come. I wish I could tell that kid, on the six-mile walk home that he would in fact be revived. Twenty years from that day robute would walk the stars again. That I would still care, that it was fucking awesome, and that on the day you read the Gathering storm books in which they chronicle his awakening. Youll be married, with a pretty good job, a daughter you love and a custom motorbike you built with your own hands in the garage of your own home. Its was an odd feeling to be so connected to a moment of the past in such a way. There's a moment at the end of assassins creed Revelations were an old Ezio is talking to desmond miles in the future and he says. "Who are we, who have been so blessed to share our stories like this? To speak across centuries? Maybe you will answer all the questions I have asked. Maybe you will be the one to make all this suffering worth something in the end". and it felt exactly like that. and I wonder..........What memories will my daughter have from this hobby? Sitting on her Dads lap and watching Peppa pig while he paints his miniatures? Dressing her up as an Eldar harlequin for Halloween? I wonder if when I'm gone, far from now. While she Clears those same old and dusty models off a shelf into a box. She'll see one she remembers when it was still unpainted and smile. A memory. A story paid forward. If you can, when you get a chance. Do a robuté week! past and present. I will, as always be listening.
11:57 I'm personally really happy with the way his resurrection turned up, at the culmination of the Siege Of Cadia,thanks to the power of a God, and the work of humanity's brightest.
Would have been really lame if it was like: "Yeah Guilliman just...woke up one day, IT'S THE EMPEROR'S WORK!!!"
I would've preferred it be by the Emperor. Having a Primarch return due to the influence of a Xenos god and an AdMech whos been hiding for 10,000 years, none of it feels right.
@@crayvun2196 Idk,it would have felt both anti-climactic and give off the feeling that GW didn't put any thought into it.
We do see the Emperor intervene to save Guilliman from Mortarion later on,implying that while the Emperor is not all powerful, he still protects,I think it's better that way.
Tbh I like it too the grim dark setting gets extremely old fast and the imperium got shit on hard story wise recently Cawl was also commissioned 10 thousand years ago and is genuinely a dam fun character the imperium needed that win
@@seasons1745 Yeah it took him 10K years just to improve on The Emperor's existing work, sounds reasonable to me.
Guilliman was the best possible primarch to return. The statesmen.
Nightbringer was one of my first novels. I thought Ultramarines were badass. Then I discovered the Soul Drinkers...
all chapters are just animals in comparison, ultramar and their people are a island of order and peace, the last one in the galaxy, the space commy doesnt count.
The soul drinkers are how you spell awesome. They're basically loyalist thousand son's mixed with Salamanders. Crazy powerful psychers mixed with a loyalty streak bordering on suicidal.
@@Gwolfsoun 40K Theories finally did a video on who the Soul Drinkers might actually be descended from, something that annoyed me since it was hinted at in their final book. Alpha Legion (the spear the legion coveted might have been Alpharius' weapon, and since Rogal had slain him, some loyalist AL might have sought him out and bent the knee) and Unknown Primarch (Dorn also took in space marines from the nameless ones) were the top two suspects. Color scheme might list loyalist Emperor's Children as a distant suspect.
I had suspected Night Lords, as the quick-strike mentality, cannibalism that allowed the Soul Drinkers to learn about its enemies via eating them in a ritual, and hatred of crime/corruption were big parts of Konrad Curze's personality. And a librarian using psychological fear warfare seemed icing on the cake. But they weren't pale folks, plus NL aren't exactly known for complex long-term schemes if it was all a ruse to get on Dorn's good side.
The 2nd Ed. Ultramarine Codex was my first Codex too.
Courage and Honour!
Maybe the wound WAS healing!! Because the BELIEF OF BILLIONS OF MORTALS
What happens when humans find out mass faith gives power to their heroes?
I have listened to this multiple times past year and every time I hear 'it's like we've almost become numb to primarch content' I can't help but think that maybe many of you stare yourselves blind at the primarch content and should re-visit the older lore . I did and I found the appreciation again that I had in the very beginning when I started .
Thank you for your reading. I was a teenager when I first read about Guilliman. I was already a Ultramarine since i start playing Space Crusade with my brother a couple of years before kowing about all the rest part of Warhammer 40k. So thank you for bringing me back a shard of my childhood. Thank you from France.
I love this! This shows the true feeling of the astartes for their fathers.
This bit with Uriel Ventris shows how the space marines fill the need for the transcendent, and maybe it's one of the underlying reasons for his rejection of the Ecclesiarchy.
Guilliman has been lonesome since the Great Crusade according to his foster mother. He desires his sons, brothers, peers, not worshippers, which is how he sees the Ecclesiarchy charactizes the hyperdulia due to his station.
Looking forward to the Lion returning:
The Emperor: My Son, it is time to wake. Rise! (And The Rock shook)
The Primarch of 1st awakens and rises "bring me my armour" ..... "Yes my Lord" The Lion takes up his battle plate and turns to his Sons "bring me my sword" ...... "oh s#*t"
My friends and I fell into the 40k abyss back in 3rd. I can remember us talking about which Primarch was stongest, or the best brawler or who could beat who, always hoping for them to one day stride our battlefields.
In the Emperor's name.
Loyalist channel.
@4:30 that is how I have been explaining why I recently bought magnus, roboute, & mortarion. Decades in waiting
Ah, the Captain of the 4th company! Don't really see many 4th company about
The main reason for this is that the 4th Company green on blue doesn't look as good painted as the classic 2nd Company gold on blue. In part inspired by the Ventris books I painted up a detachment of them for my Epic Armageddon army. I had already painted up the entire 2nd Battle Company and wanted to keep my army lore accurate. Epic was a arguably one of the best rule sets GW ever did, shame they got greedy.
the stasis field kept him away from the ravages of time but remember the emperor created the primaries using some warp power and in the warp time has no meaning. so it is possible that he was putting all his strength into healing his wound.
It took Cawl and an Ynnari to do in five minutes what RG couldn’t over 10k years then.
I want to see Demon Fulgrim fight bile's perfect Clone of Fulgrim armed with Fireblade, the sword Ferros Manus made for Fulgrim.
A True vision of Good VS Evil, loyalist VS Traitor ..would.. be.......... EPIC !
I find it sad that some of the Chapters won't be able to see their Primarch again.
I know right? We need space batman back.
@@Chrisofthemount HERETIIIIIIIC
The Space Marines have managed it for 10k years.
I could just imagine, people going onto a pilgrimage to see the son of a god. Makes for excellent imagery.
Let them all return ! Let the legions of old march once again on both sides ! May the emperor again walk among humanity battling the gods made reality in a new war in heaven, I say.. ..let there be only war in the grim darkness of the far future. Heh
YEAH!
Its great you made this video I just started rereading nightbringer! It must have been ordained by then Emporer himself!
"Imagine my surprise when some blonde dude shows up instead" . . . Primarch of the blood angels double takes.
Awesome stuff. I'd love to hear Rho read from The Gathering Storm when Bobby G awakens. Epic stuff! As epic as Russ tumbling drunk off his arse out of the warp! :)
I know exactly what you mean I still remember my first trip into the game's workshop being blown away by the models and taken even further when learning about the lore for me the reason I was drawn to it was because I played a turn based game on the pc called final liberation epic and it was the titan's that sold it for me though I believe when I started my army the only full size titan you could buy was the warhound scout titan other than that if I wanted a warlord or reaver titan I had to collect the epic models which as you would know are tiny little things but yeah here I am about fithteen years later and I have four army's two main army's which are the largest ultra marines and chaos and two strike forces gray Knights and knight's and I have a warlord titan three knights and a warhound and reaver titan for chaos all for the normal 40k table top to be honest I started to think they never would release a warlord titan but after the reaver came out it gave me such hope and that hope paid off.
I bet the Khan coming back will just be him showing up on a random battlefield like nothings happened. AS if he was just on a long scouting mission and the Imperium forgot to ask for an update.
Damn this is cozy. Nightbringer was my first 40k novel. The book that started it all. I dont play the game, just read the books, and Uriel Ventris brought me in.
I just read this passage and then this video comes out not even a day later!
The best double release would be Fulgrim’s clone versus demon Fulgrim as a battle set.
If you have a symbol on the box and the preview of one half clean pristine eagle and the other half disgusting and the botched mockery.
Uriel Ventris is such an incredible story, love Graham Mcneill novels!
I wonder if any other loyalist Primarchs will ever return. Is it supposed to be Guilliman against all the forces of evil... Sort of like Sigmar against chaos, death, and destruction, idk. I draw a lot of parallels from Sigmar and Guilliman, The Primaris and Stormcast. The similarities don't seem like a coincidence. I wonder how the Galaxy would be with more than one returned Primarch. There is only one Emperor's sword after all. Would the returning Primarchs start receiving an artefact of the Emperor each, like some sort real scavengers of his corpse? One has his sword, another his gauntlet, another his crown, pauldron, boot, breastplate, cape, loincloth, etc...
Is there really any true place for all the Primarchs to return. Yes, maybe a few... But all the missing Primarchs? Idk.
The Lion will return, there needs to be another loyalist Primarch and who better than The Primarch of the 1st.
Ferris manis needs to somehow come back, he didn't get his time to shine, I barely remember him and his legion when I think about legions
You are weakkkkkkk Vulkan
For proper motivation, antagonism and finally getting some... if not closer, Strengthening of resolve facing the demon Fulgrim would be perfect.
I feel even pouring more and more at lion’s situation though.
They’ve shown Korax active which is really cool. In which case I actually feel they should do a double release of Korax and Lorgar, but, ya’know, business resigns... no...
In my heart I want Vulkan and Jaghatai the most.
Still think The Lion will be next to return, and would make for some great storytelling!
Ya, they could even keep the Status quo if Lion tries to clean house and unite his chapters to crusade into the north and purge all signs and activity of fallen, thus leaving G-man still in charge and not messing with continuity.
How can they denie the change of his wounds when the one true God Emperor himself is in a stasis field and he is decaying...
But the masses don't know that. Only the Custodes and a select few Mechanicus know, and they know that the stasis field on the Golden Throne is bugged as hell and fritzes every once in a while because the Throne itself is failing.
Uriel Ventris is my favorite Ultramarine apart from Chad Captain Titus
Ultimate ultimate chad is clearly Cato Sicarius
Last time i was this early the C'tan were still leeching off suns
I now feel let down, that it was not by the will of the Emperor himself that Robute was brought back. Like you said to see him rise from the throne like a foreshadowing of the Emperor himself to rise one day and reclaim the worlds taken by the chaos and the Xenos. But now I am left with the sad reality that an eldar and some God brought him back from death
“Some blonde dude showed up instead” ya I know what you mean, the original dorn had black hair in the old siege of terra
I like your way of him returning more. He is cool now I just wish Gathering Storm was longer and better written.
It's all the Emperor. It's ALL the Emperor!!!
Ventris is a model I would like to see happen
i have that singular picture drawn on my wall from the mid 90's full A4 page and shaded too, i just thought of his a cool picture
Would you ever do a video covering the exact moment he returns? That would be epic.
man every one of your vids is so interesting
Just wondering during the tyranid invasion what and who kept his body protected? Was it the 1st company that all died to protect his body or something else?
It would have made such a difference if it happened as you said than just simply eldar magic.
I remember reading this when the books came out and just waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for the next novel in the series to come out they were such a good read you got me excited about Space Marines again
11:56 Since we've missed the opportunity for the emperor to bring back Guilliman, maybe GW can instead pass that moment on to another dead, loyalist primarch. The resurrection wouldn't have to be permanent.. (And maybe in doing so, introduce a new faction to the tabletop: The Bur.. Legion of the Damned. Or is that already a thing?)
Wait until the lion wakes,
Lion's to do list:1. visit ultramar
2. Locate Luther
3. Pay dad a visit
No order.
This is something similar that I always wanted to find out from those who have been into WH during the early years; was the Horus Heresy and all that happened(example here; Guilliman's placement in status), an event that was introduced by GW, or were these events of the 40k universe always what it was, and that it is only now GW is expanding the lore?
Must have been one hell of a roller coaster ride.
I’d love to see Sanguinius return. So, to the same old inevitable argument this always spawns, I don’t see this as something that diminishes his sacrifice. In fact, it enhances it, as he would once again be making a sacrifice for the good of the Imperium. Think I about it. What was one of Guilliman’s first thoughts upon returning? He hated it! He hates seeing what the Imperium had become. “Better we had all burned in the fires of Horus’ ambition than live to see this.” So, Sanguinius giving up his well earned place of rest by the Emperor’s side to once again take on the mortal coil and serve mankind, how is that not further sacrifice in his part? Anyways, sorry to dredge up that old debate.
Loved that little story on Ventris' trial. Gave me a lot of respect for Agemman as well. But a pity Sicarius ruined the story with how much of a giant prick he is.
Yet Dorn managed to out fight Fulgrim on the walls of terra
ONLY one primarch need to return or be captured....Magnus to plant his behind on the golden throne as the damn battery he was designed to be.
🤔 what does this mean?
@@Aden_III tl;dr, Magnus was supposed to power the Imperial Webway portal. Via the Golden Throne. He fucked it all up.
1 dislike must be Magnus lol.
We still need to know how Uriel became a Primaris. I refuse to believe he died. He still needs to pass the Rubicon.
When Cawl and Ynead brought Guilliman back, did actually die and then was brought back, or did they get to him before his life slipped? Or is it one of those it could go either way things?
The way even Tigurius understood it was that Guilliman had to die briefly for it to all work, hence why he was angry even when he supported Cawl and Yvraine's plan. This is because the Armor of Faith wasn't enough to cure Guilliman, especially since Fulgrim's poison wasn't purely physical, but somehow spiritual as well. The exact moment Guilliman "died", that spiritual aspect of the poison went away.
While listening to Wolf Lord Rho
I am thinking: Behold, guys, and lo!
The Imperium, I swear
Loves dead men on a chair
_That,_ they _really_ don't want to forgo!
.
Big E.? Only carcass and bones
But he sits on the coolest of thrones
Made complety of gold
Boy, that never grows old
(And he still makes Warp-anticyclones)
.
The deceased Mr. Ultramarine
In an equally impressive scene
Sits in an armchair as well
And there is much less smell
(Thanks to stasis he's way more pristine!)
.
So when you think _'There is no chance (I swear),_
_that to those gods I could EVER compare!'_
Please stop to frown!
Remember, just sitting down,
shows you _too_ have a bit godly flair!
Roboute is an awesome primarch. I don't get the hate he receives.
It comes from the ultramarines becoming the poster boy, mary sue of the lore thanks to i cant remember his name, but he wacked them off hardcore during his stay
Lol papa Smurf would hate so many resources being wasted.
Just read past this part !!
There is still hope the Lion will awaken from the power of the Emperor, no tech Hersey or eldar witchcraft. Just straight Emperor in the darkest hour perhaps to save his brother
Fast forward to the novel Dark Imperium and Bobby G is basically **headdesk** hearing about all the embellished stories of himself and his brothers. Some he tried to correct and others that were myth he said were actually truth. However after a time he just gave up, the people are fanatical.
Bring back the Russ!
I'm all for more Primarch's as long as GW doesn't keep it cookie cutter where all the loyalist just fall in line aside from minor head butting. I honestly, think the return of more Primarchs would rip the Imperium apart. I kinda hope it happens. The Imperium is pretty much a corpse on life support. Moving that needle to the Imperium's full on collapses could give a really cool period of faction divide. If they wanted to keep things sorta cyclical you could have it that as the Primarch's unify and start a new Imperium, an Imperium that aims to recapture the dream. Which ultimately leads to a war with Terra directly, so that the Imperium might be reborn. Then you make them all go away again lol
Please do his revival scene lord !!
Are there any details on the lion like this?
It begs the question why didn't they put a stasis field around the emperor ? Who is effect the golden throne or is there another reason
I mean if his mind was in stasis he couldn't hold back the daemons and stuff
Because he needs his mind to keep the Astronomicon functioning and to keep the Webway door sealed, lest daemons invade Terra again.
So it would have affected his mind then aswell as preserving his body i get ya
3rd! Well second if you count that as joint 1st lol
It is a spectacular structure, but it seems cannot wasteful.
Warhammer lore daddy
my boi!
I read the ultramarines omnibus 1 and 2...yeah. lets not think of the demonculaba
I don't like how they resurrected Guilliman. I like that he is back but the way they did it makes it feel like something is missing.
Praise the emperor
For God sake there's a damn advertisement every 30 seconds on all his videos now. It's like when Ricky Bobby put advertisements on his windshield.
More Lion
could they heal the emperor like they did guilliman?
💙
Spoilers .. Anyone else read Saturnine yet ? Paints a pretty bad picture of the Emperor and tht he didn’t love his sons ,he wanted perpetual analogs aka primarchs. To last as long as his plan would take also that he never loved them like the mother of the primarchs who was the one who scatters the primarchs as she loved them and knew the emperor plan she saw what was goin on , Urda I think her name is
Love your work on these videos 📹. Just not a fan of the Dank marines. Keep up the great work 👍
Fulgrim disliked this >:(
All hail emperor Gulliman (yeah im a heretic)
B I G
As Much as I like your work, and I do hit like here and there, I find it hard to like it, if that makes sense.
This thread belong to da ORKZ!
I'm still kind of hoping someone puts Guilliman back in his timeout chair. He was better as a legend and a symbol than a leader.
What was it like before the return of the primarch? I mean like the last 30 years of Warhammer 40K. It seems kinda boring without a primarch
Would have preferred another way, with no primaris or the doomsday clock moving so fast. So much has happened. I really did prefer the time when the lore was static save for a few things such as crusades and the like. The galaxy is so large, they really could have just filled the last minute of the doomsday clock with an infinite amount of stories.
A million worlds and billions of humans fighting for survival in hope of a miracle. Beset on all sides, they keep fighting. Whatever happened to "But the universe is a big place and, whatever happens, you will not be missed."? Now it seems every space marine is known and has infinite plot armour. Primarchs are back and no longer just legends to fuel bravery for loyalists or causes of ill deeds by traitors. There could be external change to the game, rules, campaigns, new models, replacements etc. rather than what we have. The never ending new lore and change really makes me wonder if it is worth collecting anything.
Im getting a litle angron at games workshop, when are the other primarchs coming back just bring then already we dont want the mother (erda wtf?) We want Guilliman brothers, and end the F primarchs models already, please dont become disney starwars
Should have been Russ :(
never liked bobby g and his smurfs ... blood angels and world eaters since I was a baba
HA HA FIRST!
I much preferred the older setting of 40k lots of mystery and legend, but all hope was the first step on the road to disappointment... should never of brought primarchs back for 40k .