Installing Pocket Doors for My Soundproof Room
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It's actually better watching a video of a process that had some flaws and seeing the thought process going into it dealing with the obstacles than some picture perfect scenario play out.
Good stuff
Cheers
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And it was a "sport accident" and not a domestic violence 😉
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Real subscribers remember the hilarious UA-cam comments at the time mentioning the 'First Rule of Fight Club'. Anyway, "sports accident" works just fine as a cover-up story, don't you think? ;-)
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Watching this I'm a bit bewildered. You put so much effort into getting your walls soundproof, then you install the "leakiest" door design possible! Yes the pocket doors look nice, and having sunlight come through while open is delightful, but through all 39 minutes of this video, you break all the rules of sound isolation and make all your previous efforts for soundproofing to naught.
The most basic rule of soundproofing: Sound will ALWAYS find the path of least resistance! So if you build a wall with an NTC rating of 50, and put a door or window into that wall that has a rating of 30, then you end up with an assembly rated at 30! There is no way around this!!
If you're going to make something soundproof, not only do you need mass, have an airgap of some sort, and isolate the elements, your assembly needs to be airtight. Even with solid core doors, you have a BIG problem with the air gaps around a pocket door assembly. Yes you can weatherstrip ALL the gaps around all four sides of the the doors to make things airtight (better do both front and back), but then you'll find it hard to open/close the doors, negating the advantage of pocket doors.
Not to mention you screw/nail the added pocket hole wall assembly to your sound proofed walls, creating a flanking path for vibration to transmit despite the airgap. You need some isolators in between this wall assembly and your soundproof wall.
The devil is in the details, this video fall short of your goals of making this room soundproof. What's the point of making all the walls and ceiling soundproof when you install a "leaky" door that thwarts your efforts?!?
That is kind of the point. Soundproofing needs to be viewed as more of sound control. the test will show you the end result and it is quite awesome. Cheers!
I was in the same boat and was excited to see some magic to make pocket doors somehow sound proof. As much as the workmanship was great, I was disappointed on that front... Seems completely silly to me to put that in.
That looked a lot easyer then it proberbly is. Great that you show youre mistakes, thats a great learningcurve for who ever is watching. Like this old Dutch dude. Thank you Jeff!!
Thanks 👍
It's all come full circle. The first Home RenoVision video I watched (if that's what it was called back then) was him installing a pocket door. Cheers!
Cheers!
Crazy seeing the end result, would be nice to see finishing closing up the drywall and molding around the doors too
That finished product was chefs kiss NICE!
To be honest, I was watching another video to learn something I didn’t how to do but I was exploring your account and just wanted to leave a comment and tell you how much I appreciate what you do. You make me a better GC and teach me certain things that I don’t know. I tell myself that I learn something new everyday and will continue to do so no matter what my age. I am 26 with my own construction company and when I run into something I don’t know, I watch your videos. (I don’t bid on something that I don’t fully know and will let the client know that I am not fully confident in doing so) I enjoy my work and take pride in what I put my name on and will continue to do so until the day I retire. I have a problem where I can not finish a project without it being up to my standards or perfect. I’ve wanted to quit a lot of times but I always try and tell myself that I didn’t get this far to get this far. I watched motivational videos and did my best to stay positive. What keeps me going is that there’s people like you who share their knowledge to help people improve/do things right and reading my reviews from clients on yelp saying how happy and satisfied they are with the work I’ve done. I’m sorry for ranting but I just wanted to write my first comment on UA-cam to let you know that I appreciate you. Thank you so much. You push me to be the best that I can be and drive my positivity.
The most important tool in your toolbox is Integrity. Something nobody teaches. Do it right even if it hurts and costs money. That is a foundation that you can stand on and build a business. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY nice.
Wow, what an amazing instructional video!!
Now I'm equipped and ready to replace a couple of hinged doors with pocket doors.
Wow I love those doors! I was thinking of putting stained wood pocket doors in my basement when I finish it so this video will be very useful indeed.
Well! Jeff! Congrats on this project. Lots of patience there my friend👍 We continue to appreciate your conversation as you do the task at hand. Thanks for this particular project to show us. I wondered how a pocket door was done....properly😉☺ You have provided food for thought in a project coming up in this neck of the woods. Beautiful work on the door Jeff! Cheers Prince Edward Island chiming in.😊
Thanks 👍and cheers to PEI!
I'm not going lie, you have help me more than anyone with drywall and flooring. I have saved alot of money and I know it is done right the first time
i like that you show working through issues and weird stuff that pops up. in my EXP, just about no job goes like you think. there's always something.
Shivering 🖤🔔👍. Enjoy hearing your tutelage on so many aspects of remaking a building into your home - comfortable nest.
Thanks so much! 😊
Hi Jeff. Sliding doors look really good. What a difference. Perfect! Awesome job. Great video's. 👌👍🔨🪚🪛
Thank you! Cheers! nice to have an option to let in as much natural light as possible in a dark basement.
Great video. You have a great way of explaining this!
Yes pocket door video right on time!! Now just need to finish my floors downstairs, drywall in kitchen, installing kitchen cabinets, painting the house, and then demo upstairs bathroom🤣😂 can now start planning the pocket doors in upstairs bathroom
You got this!
Excellent closing scene. Looks great!
Cheers Robert and Thanks!
Great stuff as usual! Can't wait for the next video of this series 🍻
Cheers Alex. I think you are all going to appreciate the realness of the sound test.
Jeff I have fallen asleep to your videos so many times iv had dreams hearing your impact driver all night....now when I hear it I get deja Vu....crazy...ps your videos aren't boring I just watch before going to sleep lol love them!!
That is awesome!
Love what you do! Very helpful for here in the far North of the states! 👍
Awesome! Thank you!
Almost 3 milli! Excellent video!
Cheers we are getting there EH!
I drove myself crazy with the same tapcon problem on a recent project. White tapcons, Blue tapcons, all kept snapping with a proper sized hole. The only solution was to plunge the hole a few times using the drill(as you mentioned it probably pulled some concrete dust out of the hole) or maybe it makes the hole a hair larger? After snapping over 50 tapcons the only thing that helped was to ditch the impact and switch over to my dewalt drill with the torx tip and use less force when driving the tapcon screw into the hole. Anyway, your the best Jeff I absolutely love your channel. Keep up the great work!
Cheers , those tapcons really are not designed for torque resistance for the purpose of making sure you have a good grab. but they are designed for pull strength
Awesome great job keep me posted 📫 clearly explained 😀 👍
Thanks 👍
Suggestion big box store have a nice add on to make them soft close and soft open. I added it on my bathroom doors and it saves the alignment as well.
Another real helpful video. How did you set the stopper in the middle where the doors meet? Also can you share the link to the door handles please? Can’t fund them.
Looks fantastic
Cheers Steven!
Amazing video. Where did you buy the pocket door frames and hardware?
he does not miss 💯💯💯
Nice work Jeff what color you used on the stain
I was going to watch something on Netflix, so, I go myself a beer and .... was watching The Jeff installing a pair of pocket doors 🙂
Great work Jeff as always👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 handles may be a tad uneven but unnoticeable
Love your content. Having designed and built sound isolated rooms (DIY, self taught), I'm baffled why you've gone with pocket doors that will certainly compromise the effort. Care to elaborate Jeff? Thanks.
Since you went through the effort to soundproof the walls and ceiling, how will you soundproof the French doors and the pockets? I like the design!
I bought doors that were hollow but filled with acoustic foam. Im not sure if these are those, but they may be.
these doors are solid wood. we will do a sound test ij the next video to show you how it all worked out. Cheers!
It's fucking stupid to soundproof the whole room and to end with probably one of the worst if not the worst type of doors for soundproofing lol, solid wood or not.
@Big Joe Latex I think Jeff knows what he's doing 😅
Really nice
Hi, Hopefully you will check this recent upload. I am trying to find that vinyl floating floor underlayment you suggested. I believe, at the time, it was 20 cents a square foot? This is going to be the Nucor planks at 6.55mm with a cork bottom. Do I need underlayment going on a 2nd floor condo wood subfloor?
If I'm going with a subfloor system (the 1-Step) the directions say to put it under your 2x4 up to your basement wall. Jeff has a video about creating a 1/2" air gap between the wall and foam for air circulation. My question is if you run the 1-Step under the 2x4 on the bottom plate and then secure the plate with tapcons, won't it compress the 1-Step and prevent air from the floor getting to the wall airgap? How is this overcome?
Throw a C on the centerline. That’ll surely stay with me forever. Thanks!
SERIOUSLY SUBSCRIBE TO THIS CHANNEL!!! I bought a house in August of 2021 and had two weeks to completely renovate it before moving my family in. I absolutely could NOT have done it without the videos on this channel. Jeff gives solid advice that will save you time. I honestly can't thank him enough.
I've worked in many "complete renovations before moving in (or selling)" and the only way that can be done in 2 weeks is with a large number of experienced subcontractors and superb project management from the general contractor. And having all materials pre-selected, purchased and hopefully already delivered to the jobsite.
I am sure has referring to a remodel . Cheers!
Happy to be of help!
With the Second wall you can even follow the advice you gave me and install a second set of doors in the original wall!
Cheers
I like you are open to changing , so many different types of concrete some will screw your screws some will not.😂
Seems totally bizzare to use pocket doors for this... Love the workmanship and I learned a lot, but regardless of being solid wood, there will be copious air gaps everywhere around it and likely won't get much more than stc of 25 to 30 at most. Do you have an answer for that? Like some kind of foam or brush or something to help?
Thought the same thing. Odd choice for sure lol
If soundproofing is your top priority having a solid core hinged door is typical. Pocket doors will have a hollow cavity so they do not block sound transmission effectively. Pocket doors are excellent for saving space but for main floor powder rooms etc. where privacy is important you'll find hinged doors offer better soundproofing because adjoining wall can be soundproofed.
Yep most soundproof room videos I've seen even have two sets of doors for making soundproofing.
I love uncle Jeff, and all his "sound proofing" videos....but, short of installing some pocket doors, I have no idea what the hell he was doing. But, it's always darn entertaining watching him work. I kept waiting for him to pull a piece of gum out of his mouth and press it somewhere, for the sake of "improvising"....lol. I've watched so many of these videos, I'm starting to get PTSD over not being able to get Sonopan in Florida. But, hey....the weather is darned nice (at the moment). So, I've got that going for me. *P.S. With that room being soundproof, is that door thick enough to not undermine the room? I'll have to put some kind of door on mine (which I start on next week), and my door way will be extra wide to get music gear in and out easily. I was actually thinking a sliding heavy duty soundproof door....(i.e. typical patio door but as wide as possible). Or, I may just do a sliding barn-style door, and hang some soundproof curtains on the inside once shut. I'm not worried about appearance nearly as much as functionality. Anyway...this came out really nice, Jeff.
the doors are solid wood and do a great job cancelling out sou d to the adjacent room. for a studio you also need to account for not letting sound in.
Absolutely. In my case, it will be in a garage..... so there shouldn't be any sound coming in. I'll have some sound curtains covering the door from the inside. So, hopefully, that won't be an issue. I love how yours looked. I may follow suit, and see of I can make some barn doors for cheap. Ordering them seems to be at least $1K. Thank you for all the inspiration and guidance!
Are pocket doors adequate for keeping the room soundproof? thx :)
Beautiful my man Mr RenoNinja
Cheers Cudda Brown!
Is there a full video somewhere that shows the whole process of this soundproof room? is it the 3+ hour video about the basement reno for 18k?
How good would those types of doors be to block out sound from musical instruments? Namely, my son's drum set?
FYI:
Those holes should be cleaned out before screwing because concrete doesn't have any "give" in it. A small air compressor to blow out the dust would be perfect.
Also, an SDS drill would be better imo because the bits are much longer, they pull more concrete dust out, and last way longer than those that come with tapcon kits.
You are snapping the heads because there is no "give" in concrete and you did not clear the dust. It is not the impact gun. If you guys are doing this and want the floor to stay, do the above. If they snap that easy now, the longevity of the screws that did not snap will be something at the back of your mind until you sell the house
Out of everything I've done in construction i never messed with pocket doors but i have hung sheetrock over them
Did you consider flipping the handles such that the allen set screws were facing the other way so they aren't seen as easily when the door is open?
I guess it depends on whether they stay open or closed more :D
I think the best option would be if they were making handles with screw facing floor. Harder to install, but prettier.
Wish you would have shown how you finished the top.
You can chop it of , hang it, use the chopped wood as a shelf for that flower
“11 1/8 and a bit.” I’m glad I’m not the only one that’s bad with fractions
What kind of screws do you use to attach the door frame to the header 2x4?
I find myself using drywall screws cause they are what i have and when at the store, i am overwhelmed by options.
construction screws when framing. cheers!
With the frame of the pocket doors being of simple construction. Would it be more or less costly to just assemble a pocket door frame with the same wood materials or is it less costly to just buy per-assembled pocket door frames?
cheaper to build your own. but I don't like to waste my time. I make more installing prebuilt than building from scratch.
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY Thanks! Great videos. I've learned a lot. :)
I've never seen another pro using craftsman power tools. I'd love to hear why you've chosen them.
Blessed love mi Skilla look at that the police on his phone like really bro he is not on duty
What is the acceptable tolerance for leve/ “slope” in a basement floor? My concrete floor is a half inch higher at one end than the other over 32 ft. I don’t know if it’s will be noticeable once finished. The wall on the opposite side is 3/4 inch higher at one end over 27 feet.
most products can handle 1/8th" over 4'
I hope the US distributor of Sonopan gets their act together. I've been hearing of guys tempted to just drive a truck into Canada to group buy a skid or two.
All the sound proofing and then pocket doors?
sound control is a better way of looking at it. besides these doors are super quiet since they are solid wood.
Designer tip, when you see something at your big box store, like barn doors run away, it is on it’s way out , I also am a builder and pick up great tips from this channel .😊
Hi jeff you door kit I have open plan area looking to divide ino two rooms
Hey Jeff I have a serious question on a different topic.... I ran into a problem using cheap on walls (like a jackass) n a sponge with hot water will take the paint off. 🤦♂️ we're repainting and am going to use Sherwin Williams paint. My question is do I need primer or can I use a good paint by itself? Or better yet what would you recommend in your professional opinion. Thanks again
paint without acrylic washes off. the new paint is going to bond just fine and then create a washable surface. just be sure to read the label. most washable paints require 30 days to cure before you can try to wash. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY thanks for the prompt reply! Will apply the advice! Thanks again
nice
How do you sound proof the pocket doors. The room itself is perfectly sound proofed so I assume the doors should sound proofed too? The doors are not padded and how do you air seal the cracks around the door
You can't soundproof pocket doors, it's a terrible idea for a soundproofed room lol.
Is that the Alexandria kit?
yes. purchased at Rona!
Also, using an impact will snap the tapcon screws. So use a drill.
Can I just buy the wheels and track only and build the frame work myself?
yes you can. Cheers!
Why are you laying installation board and osb to a concert floor i have been a part of several new builds in the south and i have never seen this.
How do these pocket doors have a seal good enough to not negatively impact the soundproofing goal?
wait for the test and you won't believe it
Hi Jeff. Hope family is well. Say hello to Matt for me. Thanks.
Cheers Larry. hope all is well with you. Matt is working with me now producing our live shows. You can say Hi on the 14th or march. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY thanks pal.
So all that work in sound insulation and then those? Kind of confused.
Did I miss a sponsorship deal or whats up with the Craftsman Tools instead of the Dewalt's or is Jeff testing them for a longterm Review?
Craftsman is the diy brand of dewalt. I am testing them out. Cheers!
You perfectly demonstrated how much Tapcon screws suck. They break all the time.
but when they work they work great!
Pro tip: “ 3:19 make sure your hole is deep enough to accept the screw”
The handles not being level would drive my OCD nuts
Floating desks?
How do you replace a single pocket door?
take off the trim and disconnect the hanging hardware. you may need to remove the jamb and casing as well depending on the location of the wheels.
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25:55 - "(...) throw a couple of magnets on there and we're gonna be good to go."
So, no magnets for the air-tight seal after all?
they can always be added along with some edging that helps to seal out the air movement. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY- Thanks a lot! Great video!!
Spring for titanium screws.
no need just need to be disciplined with drilling my depth. Cheers!
My concern is how soundproof this door will be. It’s solid so that’s a plus but wouldn’t a single make more sense?
Metric system is so much easier for door handles, tile installations and many other things.
Jeff is always saying it’s simple and I’m always lost. I learn by tearing it up.
Those barn doors at Home Depot are 300.00 plus LOL.. Yeah, F that!
Looks like you need a better drill lol. Go with Milwaukee m18 fuel or surge.
Ok for your own but a customer would not like that the top of the door does not look like the bottom!
Keep up the good w!
JIM 🎉
No header?
3:16 that’s what she said
Unless I over drill my holes it's easy to have a shop vac hose next to you when drilling.
Hi Jeff you forgot your safety shoes
I keep forgetting you’re not building a home studio.
At 36:36 I noticed that you are using Craft mans. That's probably why. LOL. Do we need to start a GFM and get you some proper tools?
He stated at the beginning of the series he is using cheap tools he purchased locally to show that homeowners can do it with the tools they would most likely have or purchase.
@@tay13666 Thanks. But it was a joke.
All too familiar with the sacrificial tapcon
Mmm looks like a lot of “Murphy’s law” going on ha ha
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3:57 that’s what she said again
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That’s not the way my measuring tape stays up to the ceiling. 😅😅
Cheers!
😂 what's happening Jeff? Putting a little bit weight? 😊