For Honor - Orochi's Single Strongest Move!!
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Man, you didn't have to showcase Conq's lack of chase like that, come on. That poor bastard didn't deserve that.
thats all i was thinking about to lol. dude out ran their revenge then taunted them lol. like there is no reason not to but damn watching it.
@@kinrogathats why when i play conq i have regenerate , zo they run ...k get hakf my health back and if i really need the kill i launch my friends out like a jojo stand user and these pussies cry about it
That’s why nobody want to watch this channel
@@HCHM3Boyzyet here you are lol
Heres me hoping conq is next for a rework, the man is just so boring to play.
I always wondered why orochis attacks feel so fast and still get executed by him instead of being hit by a light finish
he doesnt have light finishers anymore
@@JasonsWeirdPizz wdym?
@@Elopred orochi does not have a light finisher. he has to finish chains with a heavy
@@JasonsWeirdPizz You are right, never noticed that before.
As soon as I read the title, I knew it was the side finisher heavies. What those things can do is comical.
Combine that with the insanely good block and hit stun he has on most moves, making the parry timing very limited, so you are very much in the blender weather he uses this move or not.
I'm pretty sure that the parry window is the same as other heavies, it's just that it's slightly harder to see the attack coming with it being a bit faster
Orochi making Michael Jackson proud sliding half a kilometre with every heavy
"oh but shugoki's side heavy finisher is unblockable so its balanced" mfs when i hit them with a charged hit from a comically large baseball bat:
i saw your video on my recommended videos on yt and put it in the "Watch Later" folder, days passed and i started doing the side heavy finisher with Orochi a lot, and i hadn't watched the video til now lmao
I feel guilty struggling against Orochi because, like, we as a community have been trained to make fun of people that struggle against Orochi, but he really is becoming my kryptonite. Those heavy finishers are super powerful. Unless I’m forgetting some, there aren’t too many 700ms heavies left, so they really feel jarring when they connect so quickly, especially if he’s externally hitting you and you catch the beginning of the hitbox. Let’s not forget the damage. I almost feel like we need another CCU lite because pretty much every hero/rework since the CCU and its following corrective patches have been pushing damage back up. 30+ was supposed to be reserved for select moves, but now it feels standard again on finisher heavies.
I also gotta say, despite the jest in this video, storm rush is kinda problematic. It’s not the strongest move in the whole game, but brainlessly using storm rush over and over with a couple kicks sprinkled in for funsies is way too effective for the effort required to do it. I’ve even gone into the training arena to practice against it, and if I’m totally focused, I can reaction block it around half the time by watching for his animations (console). That is, of course, in a vacuum when I know storm rush and only storm rush is coming. In a real dominion match, it’s way harder. Also, blocking doesn’t exactly make you win, you just didn’t get hit that time, and he can do it again right away. Of course, if you can external him, that mitigates a lot of the threat, but that’s not always an option.
Nah I feel that. As a Centurion main all I can say is you really have to force the Orochi to play into your game before you start to play into his. This game is super annoying and I still wonder why I play it
you can light him outta the rush as long as he didn't land his previous attack and fullblock shuts it down pretty good as well
@@devonrounds5583you can light him out of it even if you do get hit, so long as it’s light hitstun. You can trade with medium hitstun if you buffer the light, still making it a viable option if you got the HP advantage
Storm rush should be a light parry, at the very least. It's too safe with the delayed indicators and undodgeable property and easily spammable for a heavy punish to feel worth it when you finally called the direction and got the timing to get a parry.
@@FiveFootFall honestly, it was the rise of Orochi when they first buffed him with the kick that made me pick up BP seriously. Flip can defeat the mix, or at least nullify it.
i really didnt not know the sides hitbox was that ridiculously big. That alone makes it really good, far more than one would guess indeed.
Glad to see I wasn't the only one thinking this.
Never gave a thought on his side heavies but I've always considered his heavy finishers as too heavy hitting and the tracking is insane too. Stormrush can at least be interruped by fast attacks so they are not giving me that much of a headache.
Background gameplay is freeze giving the true orochi experience
As an orochi main I never even noticed how big the hitbox is.
After uninstalling For Honor, i was able to save money and move to a different country, got a steady job and will graduate soon. Still would love to play as Warmonger again
This move has been making me swear for the longest time. Even in duels it is tough, since with hitstun or blockstun of the previous light and the speed of the side heavy finisher the parry timing window is tighter than with other heavies, let alone heavy finishers. Couple that with the 30 damage on a move that feels like a light finisher into storm rush and you might have more than a few broken controllers.
Those finishers target swap some insane distances as well in team fights
My issue with storm rush is just how much they can get out before running out of stamina
Holy shit i actually predicted that youre going to talk about the side heavy finishers :D
This almost makes me want to play the game again. Almost. Clipping people with oroti dead angle lights & side heavies in teamfights pre ccu was just unconditionally fun
FINALLY someone is talking about how op are his side heavy
I mean sure is a normal heavy but DUDE
700ms
30dmg
Great hitboxes
And most important.
Obscene reach/range
By far the strongest normal heavy in the game
"keep running"
Pick a real char
you forgot to mention that this heavy is guaranteed after bash if deadangled
Storm rush has anime camera angle, so it's much stronger.
Personally for me yeah. And mind you i parry almost all lights, for some reason Stormrush gives my brain autism and i miss the que
Yeah orochi’s range on heavies are actually insane
Bro seeing the hotboxes that orochi get to have on his normals while playing kyoshin is just painfully unfair
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks that Orochi’s side heavy finisher is massively underrated as a move
Do you understand the word underrated? If everyone is using it and everyone is talking about it then its not underrated you absolute retard
Orochis zone having medium hitstun could also be seen as a problem, zone (without followup light) into stormrush cannot be interrupted by a light and forces you to make a read on where to block/parry. More so an issue on console rather than pc as it is almost a guaranteed 20 damage, but it is a pretty good move to know if you can hit the zone.
Its medium hitstun, not heavy
@@tobemachine5928 ty, I'll change that, point still stands however.
@SurvivalHorrors is storm rush really a problem tho with the medium hitstun zone.
It’s For Honors Golden boy Roach character was the blueprint for every new hero
I wasn't expecting his side heavy finisher to be a topic, I'm a Gryphon main and I usually talk about Gryphon's side heavy finisher that also deals 30 damage, have a world of a hitbox and have hyper armor (although is 800ms instead of 700ms like Orochi's side heavy finisher), I think it should be reduced to 28 damage, although the Veteran Kick / Slash should guarantee 26, it's a 2 damage exchange.
If I could name a strong move for Orochi, it would absolutely be zone attack + dodge cancels, this move carries Orochi basically in any situation, 1v1, antigank, team fight, brawls, any.
Here's a strat I'm pretty sure everyone knows but I never see used, heros with zones that have a follow up heavy that has hyper armor, IE warmonger, Law bringer and shugo, defeat all guards
Nah the strongest is literally the dodge attack, enhanched undodgeable and plus the dodge recovery he becomes untouchable basically
Was using the side heavy finishers in realistic Elim way more often then I care to admit and then landed 90% of the time just double light on the left let the heavy fly from the right it catches most dodges and dodge bashes as well as totally throwing your opponent off
Keep running.
700 Ms... that's what most of the console base wants lights to be 🤣🤣🤣
I always thought it was DUMB that they nerf damage on larger characters like Highlander because the damage is 30+ but Roach is slamming consecutive 30 dmg heavies at you.
His top heavy unblockable is strong . Not only the tracking but the range of it as well
Bro said “success” of the HL video after no one agreed with him
I as always upset me that orochi have so massive hitbox when his weapon his not that big
"I think that a character who's suppose to be a duelist and ganker should be good in team fights as well" ~JC probably.
They should give conq at least a running attack 😂
Ah yes, "success" of the highlander vid
Nailed it on the head
Man, the freeze comedy club special is a real side splitter 😐😐😐
Ngl I thought he was gonna say storm rush, but them side heavys are deadly for sure. 30 damage is crazy. Plus all the momentum he gets too
Never thogughts about it before
Im soo sad. I had to give up the game. I play on the 1st gen xbox one and near everything is unreactable on the current fps, my input delay is too high, or a combination of both.
Highlander heavy follow up is also Really strong in 4v4s up there with orchis. Shugo’s is also good.
Sure it’s 600ms 29 dmg but the the hitbox is no where near as good. Secondly it’s HL, char is just trash.
@@ExoticDva I first got forhonor like 4 month ago and I’m addicted. I wish the game was entirely reliant on skill based fighting, after all the knowledge I learned that in a lot of fights you are essentially Flipping a coin to who gets the next input
@@quench9132wrong just get better unironically
I know it’s not but the timing makes me feel like this is a direct response to me commenting on the hl vid about him not being a lost cause and comparing his state to orochis. I’ve known this move was good but I don’t often have damage on as much as I should so I didn’t know how good, that being said it’s still a relatively parryable move that shows it effectiveness in team fights yes but also in careful mindfuckeries, “am I going to gb again? I might just let this fucker go.” But ofc the attention you’ve brought to it only makes it more balanced in the sense people will look for it now when fighting an orochi so you actually might’ve just balanced blud with word of mouth alone. Also storm rush has always been an massively easy move to counter since it has no hyper armor or at least it’s very late, I gotta look again but I understand when someone is being berated with orochis entire moveset and can’t keep up fast enough to decipher a kick (to dodge) from a rush (to block). Here’s a tip guys, light interrupts!!Orichi has like no hyper armor, light him enough to stop his flow but not to get read and light parried, it varies from person to person and drastically with skill levels but it’s not difficult to figure out if you are a competent player who is making effort to get better, some guys will try to bait that interrupt out I’ve seen nova king do it idk how many times. The thing to remember is being an Orochi with a point to prove, against 4 hungry enemy’s with no concept of proper ganking, no teammates in sight, bounty/kiai, respite, slip, and fear ready to go, results in a power you will unfortunately only ever feel in a game that most of your friends stop playing ages ago, you prove your strength to no one but yourself, you play dominion and you actively seek harder fights to prove your prowess against people relaxing and you regret every instance where you clicked deathmatch and expected anything less than ‘deathmatch’. 🎉welcome to 2024 peasants🎉
ps. I don’t know if I have to ask to get pinned this time but spent some time on it so if you agree or find it funny let everybody see ❤
I have 14 reps on roach and can win fights purely by spamming storm rush its insane also got to the point that my HL buddy can time his heavy with my storm rush to land as the opponent is recovering from the storm rush
hearing that as a shugo main hurt like... ouch
Remember our damage was tweaked to nerf our capabilities in 4v4.
Bro I still don't under stand why they did that 30 damage for a charge heavy sucks it should stay 32
idk why orochi is allowed to have insane dodge cancels and fast attacks while also dealing so much damage. he's a dodge recovery assassin character with a 32 damage unblockable.
I honestly thought that they would make the damage 28 or 27 when they announced the speeding up of the attack. Don't forget that his top heavy finisher is 32 damage. The range and hitbox aren't anything to scoff at either. For a top heavy, the finisher has an amazing hotbox. Then you have the storm rush noob stomper move.
Jiang Jun's finisher heavies from all sides do less damage than orochis, the damage definitely feels unfair comparing it to other characters.
(JJ side heavies are 28 damage and the top heavy is 30)
They have hyper armor though
Again these moves are just a product of its time other heros woth simmiler timming had been nerf but they had other properties to go along with it @@boricgrain1942
We pretending like Zhanhu isn't the same but with unblockables?
Not as fast, not as big hit box, not as much damage and worse dodge cancels
Zhanhu has no dodge cancels and cant combo at all.
@@maxcolllii7225 He does have dodge cancels
saying that shit is op since the rework
Orochis most powerful move is so broken they had to change the input. His heavy deflect was God like. Unblockable, undodgeable, all the soft feint options out of it. So amazing, they had to change its input to nothing
it very much WAS dodgable
@@fkkfreeze well, it didn't have the undodgeable property, but it was so dodgeable that it overflowed into being undodgeable again unless you were ready for it.
I just need that move back. Even if it was the worst part of the kit, it was so fun to use.
Orochi needs to be rebalanced in general but this heavy is insane, 30dmg is nutz
finally someone talks about this utter bullshit of a move
Also side point I'll die on thats half related to orochi. Kia. Wtf dose it still both stun AND deplete all stam. Storming trap had its stam damage go straight to zero. It's closest comparison is a tier two that trades self immunity for potential range. It's a annoying feat to fight and is worse yet inconsistent in how it has been balanced compared to similar feats.
Nerf it, buff stunning trap, hell if they remove the stam damage and restore the old cool down I'd call that a pretty strong win as well. Just do something.
its so fast i wont be okay with it till they nerf it to like 22 dmg and nerf the hitbox honestly
Finally someone agrees with me been complaining about its hit box and dmg for years
this game has a serious information communication problem that causes the fanbase to only be able to see, talk about or react to a move having Special Properties. it really seems like both the players and the devs have this mindset that the only things that matter about a character are the oranges, the blues & the onehitkill feats. which is a shame for me bc i really enjoy the game the best when i & my opponent are fighting eachother without relying on those -- like, actually using moves that can be blocked & parried, and getting to block & parry
All you said is 100% true, although this move was made so exactly for these very reasons. This is exactly there as it is to make Orochi an interesting pick in 4's. Like giving zerk dodge recoveries on everything was also.
So you kind of kicking open doors here like you did with highlander weird innputs
I mean the thing is, orochi does NOT need this to be this strong to be a top pick lol. Even if you nerfed that significantly he would still be a top pick
Despite the Dev's best efforts to balance the game there are still so many inconsistancies. Honestly they should just revert the change to the speed and put it back to 800ms. Never really understood why they made it 700ms in the first place, such a random buff to a move that already had an insane hitbox and forward movement in the first place..
Speaking of, here's another one that I've personally been bitching about for months: Glad's skewer still doing 38 fucking bleed damage. That's old PK triple stab levels of damage. Actually, I'm pretty sure it's currently the highest damaging move in the game (not including feats). Why has it not been nerfed yet lmao.
Frost has opened my eyes welp back to hating orochis again
orochi's forward dodge light is also very strong and an underrated part of his kit. it is enhanced, 400ms and can be dodge recovered from. it maintains advantage on your opponent on a block and an empty dodge, and gains damage on a missed block or a dodge attack. the only way to counter it is with a hard read on the move and light parry, which is already difficult because of the other strong options orochi has from forward dodge. very good move, especially when you've conditioned your opponent with his kick but dont want the passivity of an empty dodge forward
It’s 566 not 400. But yes the move is good when put in the context of his forward dodge mixup. Although if someone makes a read to disregard the kick it’s easily differentiable from storm rush.
@@ExoticDva mb it really feels 400ms
Preposterous. We must obviously nerf the strongest move not just on orochi but in the entire game.....STORM RUSH 😎
Nope still hungover
I just gotta ask, why is orochi so strong? I mean, realistically, why is such a small thing packing the BEST 50/50 mixups and damage amounts?!? And on top of that, why does orochi get to keep these obscure dodge recovery’s and not I dunno Zhanhu? A dodge specialist? Stupid.
Yea I have no idea why they buffed his side heavys. H3 was already really strong with all the changes to the game and his cancels. Then they buffed his side heavys. Was just kinda over kill
Idc if they nerf orochi, I just want my heavy deflect back PLZ ubi i can't play orochi without that heavy deflect
Don't like that hero honestly. Should just remove his heavies and scrap him at this rate
What about all the chads that got him to rep 70 and invested so much steel onto him
@@diba9281 Still think he should just be removed. No recompense honestly. Shits life
This video goes very hard
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I hate orochi so much it's unreal
I do think orochis damage on heavies off gb and the storm rush are too high
He gets 22 on gb which if I remember is lower than average. Maybe you could shove storm rush down to 10 dmg from its current 12 but anything less is just horrid.
@@ExoticDva including the light it’s 25
@@centurionyt4472 That is true and that’s just a normal value. But I am wrong about storm rush it’s just 20 which is decently high.
@@ExoticDva although I think 20 damage is high I can most of the time react it’s just hard sometimes, but 20 damage and an uninterruptible bash seems a bit strong, if they nerf tiandi for it then orochi should be nerfed for it too
Make it 800ms, fix the hitbox to not have that stupid phantom range it has, and make it 28 dmg. Then it would be fine.
Orochi been disgusting for far too long... the heavies are lightning fast.
He has the craziest dodge bash mixup in the game.
Omni directional undodgeable unreactable attack that only guarantees a light on parry.
Every single move is perfectly safe.
He cannot be punished basically ever.
But for months all I'm told is "JuSt gEt gOoD"🥴 He's been disgustingly busted in my opinion. He needs to be tuned down in many ways. Starting with the chain heavies and then storm rush.
You missed talking about the tracking and forward momentum on top heavy two. I back step light into it and preforms like old walk the plank.
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Importantly destroy kai should not exist painful bs move
nerf orochis first and second feat
storm rush is much stronger in the comments section.
it indeed is 😎
Umm actually storm rush is WAY stronger because Freeze told me to tell you so!
Wait-
Ah yes, the natural progression of things:
Problems for old/mid gen- Storm rush.
New Gen/PC- Finisher heavies.
Seriously, though, this is a good point. 700ms, 30+ damage, very wide hitbox, and safe with recovery cancels. That's just not okay, and even though Orochi players can be seen as shitty players in retrospect anyone who truly understands these mechanical dynamics is just going to be a nuisance in most team fights. I don't like it, either.
I’ve been saying this for so long
30 is way too high. For a 700 ms heavy it need to be 28 maximum
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I want to play this character more but his drip is so mid, you have like 3 good armor sets. Also everyone plays him so it just feels weird playing him. He’s very fun though and my preferred assassin out of all of them but still.
I also think orochi has one of the best dodge attacks in the game as well. Enhanced, recovery cancels, undodgeable, and every dodge attack nets a light parry now so. I always considered it to be one of the strongest after the dodge attack update
Pirates heavy is in the same boat but w hyper armor.
Can we just talk about, how orochi has almost everything in his kit? That that weeb can evade, bash, deflect, catch, gank and also do one of the most annoying 50/50s?
Heby
If they lowered the damage of the finisher heavies and remove the un-dodgeble property of storm rush. Or give us an indicator earlier, Then he'd be balanced.
Storm rush is much stronger in the comments section
Just block lol
The only thing I hate about orochi is how he can dodge cancel out of everything even a whiffed bash and can even do a follow up light on a WHIFFED bash. I thought that concept of a follow up attack on a whiffed bash was supposed to be removed like we saw with valk. As a warmonger/highlander main it is really frustrating how I can make proper reads yet still get beaten due to cheesy moves or follow ups on whiffed attacks.
He can't side dodge cancel out of a whiffed bash.
Only zhanhu, tiandi, afrea can and they all need it removed.
Maybe not zhanhus as his comes out a bit late so it's a little weak.
Storm rush is much stronger
How?
@@maniacalgrunt1822 sarcasm
@luzy7959 I'm acoustic I don't get sarcasm
u know i never noticed it before. 30 dmg is a joke
I really liked the hl video you should do more like that.
Also roach should lose recovery cancels on dodge lights.
Idk, I think recovery cancels on dodge lights are fine, especially since they are so easy to parry
Overall any character shouldn't have the ability to Dodge cancels recovery after a dodge light
So pirate, zerk, orochi, nobu i believe too ?
The only exception with Tiandi i should say, since he is suppose to be the "dancer" so it make sense
Tbh dodge canceling dodge attacks is not that offensive to me and this is coming from someone who isn't constant at feinting to parry them. Dodge attacks are not offensive, they are a defensive tool that can be stretched out. I will say I do miss having not "select all" being the only way we see dodge recoverys given though.
My rule of thumb is the pressure of the combo leading up to the cancel or the power/utility or the finisher being balanced by a slower recovery window, a less safe dodge attack, or low post dodge pressure.
In this frame work I'd say that Zahn, oro, and still undecided on pirate are fine, and specifically nobu dodge heavy and hidden stance I see as fine, even if some push it.
The problem I've had is that that nuance seems to be fleeting since as of late they normally just "add recovery cancels" all of which are always very safe and located after literally every move.
@@Kurt20051YTexcept for the fact anyone good will use them externally so they’re unparryable, and you’re forced to just not press a button
Not every character needs these huge hitboxes, especially when they use small weapons. We are losing character identity.
Its like you said its not that orochi got any stronger
Is that other heros got nerf
The only thing i would change is the hitbox just a bit
Its not like that side heavy are use that much when he is the one being ganked
It is not as good as medjay who has hyper armor
If it had another property like undodgeable or unblockable or hyper armor then maybe you are right
Just cause orochi now on top of the meta for now doest mean he deserves to get nerf because the ones above him got nerf too
storm rush is much stronger in the comment section
Hey just in case you never realized, storm rush is much stronger. I'm letting you know in the comment section. No charge for this opinion, by the way - it is free.
Dodge cancel on everything turns moves into unfun, broken messes. Who would have thunk
Well the HL video wasn’t a success but ok, alright maybe for the views you baited. just reread the comments coz you probably didn’t even bothered lmao