Why Johnny Depp is Winning - On the Philosophy of Public Opinion
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The best thing to say when an accusation is made, in my opinion, is to say "I don't know". Just as we should not believe the accused is guilty without evidence, we should not assume that the accuser is lying without evidence. Many, if not most sexual assault cases do not have adequate evidence because it is easy to get away with this crime if you hold financial power over them, so we should not quickly accuse people of lying if there is insufficient evidence.
Normalize saying "I don't know" and leave it at that.
...but in this case the 'evidence' is overwhelming! AH is a 'habitual' LIAR!!!
yeah we know for a fact a "flock of cartmans" won't find that answer satisfying unless it strokes their egos
I feel like people who are on the right side of an argument are more likely to doubt their own opinion and be silent. Which gives more power to the voice of a very loud minority who are not examining their views!
Little bit of that Dunning Kruger paradox
Dunning Kruger...
The brainless chants will always drown out the reasonable whispers
Jared's social commentary is always a treat.
Thanks for the video!
I remember seeing a youtuber laying out all the facts in the late 2010s (I want to say 2017 but only clearly remember it being sometime before the pandemic and at the tail end of the height of #metoo). She laid out evidence of things she noticed with their relationship, Amber's treatment of her parents and Amber's history of Abuse against her former girlfriends. She did such a great job convincing me that I was convinced that he was probably innocent of most of what he was accused of and if he was guilty of something it must have been provoked by extreme circumstances. The Justice for Depp people where there for a long time. They were just laughed off as MRA crazies, 'pick me's and other unflattering things.
Those are the REAL brave women. Disagreeing with #metoo in 2016-2019 must have been hell for her.
so the daily wire took out $40,000 worth of 'anti-Heard propaganda', and they spammed it in front of the entire public. im not saying she was "a girlscout", completely innocent of anything, but to call her a "gone girl level abuser" might have been influenced by the dozens of thousands of dollars of propaganda bankrolled by billionaires who were ... personally invested in Depp?
none of us were there, but propaganda works, and im saying _maybe that's a factor._
@@mckymcobvious3043 sure you could believe that. But the person I'm talking about didn't have many subs at the time and the daily wire isn't going to waste money on a no name with no reach to create "conspiracies" they're going to look to get bang for their buck by hiring someone relevant like Belle delphine or Addison Rae. Not completely dismissing that you're wrong but I really doubt the wire spent a significant amount of money to vindicate Depp after he had already lost and way before he had gathered evidence for the latest trial. The timelines don't add up.
@@tnk4me4 the Daily Wire spammed the _whole public._
that's how spamming works.
Hollywood isn't exactly left leaning. It's extremely liberal, but that doesn't mean left of centre, only left of something like financial services. Hollywood is very happy to maintain a mode of production in which the means of production are privately held, making it inherently not-left. Tolerating The Gays doesn't make them anti-capitalist, it just makes them libs, in the most politically accurate sense
THIS!!!!!
Thank you for getting it!!!!
I wouldn’t say extremely liberal.
They are as liberal as they need to be.
Reactionary liberal.
Being anti capitalist doesn’t make you left wing. It means you went so far left that you are believing in a religion rather than an ideology.
@@defenstrator4660 Believing in capitalism isn't any more extreme than believe it does work well.
Jared, I gotta say, you are an amazing writer, thinker and organizer of information and themes. This is more of a comment for all your videos lol. I can absolutely see what made Wisecrack so amazing and very much feel the spark and motivation behind your videos. You’re an inspiration to those who want to find an outlet for the things they love; myself included.
Now, for a comment on this video lol. What a great take and example of a nuanced topic on something so culturally relevant. Love the topic, explanations and ideas brought forth. Love the work and want to support the best I can. Peace!
People just want to see Jack Sparrow battle the seas one last time.
so stoked on your discord Jared, love your work!
14:42 i love when i suddenly find youtuber catching up my with view of the world.. if only cause it makes me feel i was sane after all.
Honestly this is how i look at it, people like to point the proverbial gun at people's heads until the gun is pointed at them.
finally a thoughtful video essay, welcome back jared
Opinions change so fast these days.
I have gotten into many instances where I spoke up and became a social pariah, and then it turns out I was right, but my argument has become redundant because the truth was so evident. However I still remain a social pariah for speaking out. Can anyone explain or advise on this phenomenon?
It matters less that you were right or wrong. The important thing is that you went against the tribe. They will remember that you made yourself the enemy long after they forget the facts or why.
Jeez that Minow analogy is waaay too accurate for our times!
That's 100% the entire premise of idiocracy! 🤣😂🤣
ideas > events > people
on the side of the judge. she seems experienced, dutifully, and the court hasnt gone the way of banana.
Again: Insightful, fresh and valuable thoughts. Thanks for this.
Love Jared's perspective and how something with as simple as a single word can change my own perception of a situation.
I've always seen "public opinion" tantamount to "peer pressure." Which in a way very much still is... But I never once gave thought about the fact that one of the major factors even in that social construct, is silence.. 🤔🤯
I feel like I have a unique perspective on this because ever since I was in high school people told me I looked like Johnny Depp. This was during the height of Jack Sparrow mania back in the mid 2000s so it came with a lot of attention but it also made me realize that people would subconsciously impose who Johnny Depp is onto me. For example, a [cute] girl I once knew thought I was a really good actor (I'm not nor am I even remotely interested in theater). I definitely noticed that people treated me different because my very presence was like a novelty to them. Anyway, I never really let it get to my head since I knew if Johnny Depp EVER fucked up, people would associate me with whatever he did, so I was oddly invested in Depp having a good reputation.
I kept joking back in like 2012 "what if it turns out that Johnny Depp is a wife beater, and what, am I just supposed to look like a wife beater for the rest of my life??" My friends all laughed and were like "boohoo shut up, I wish I looked like Depp or [insert some celebrity]." So when the Amber Heard story broke, I felt slightly vindicated for that joke but just like I predicted, people dead ass stopped pointing out my doppleganger status. Like I was getting stopped by randos at the grocery store on a monthly basis, but ever since the Heard thing-ZIP! NOTHING! So yeah, I was one of those people that hopped on the anti-Depp train at the time because I knew people would look at me and think: red wine drunk wife beater.
TBH it's a bit of a relief since I never really enjoyed the attention to begin with, but I can't help wondering if people think I'm an alcoholic, rich brat with emotional immaturity issues just because I share a similar facial structure. Or on the flip side, do red pillers look at me and think I'm on their side. I can't win. Sometimes I just wanna look like a Sims character.
The Bible was used to justify segregation in the American South and apartheid in South Africa. The "Me Too" movement served to bring down some terrible people; but when it was used as a cudgel, where a bad date became a reason to attack someone, that is too much. The members of a lacrosse team are under a cloud because of accusations. In Hollywood, an actor called a group of photographers a gay slur. He went on a lengthy tour of talk shows, abjectly apologizing for his actions. The attempt to overthrow the will of the people, and prevent the peaceful transfer of power from one group to another, led to an invasion of the Capitol, where lawmakers were forced to hide, because they literally feared for their lives.Yet, this act is now being portrayed as being misunderstood, and the rioters are being hailed as patriots and heroes by some people.
So I've just come to the conclusion that I need to pick my battles carefully and never let anyone know what I actually think until they feel safe enough to share what they actually think. Ask questions which draw out answers without tipping my hand too much or making them feel judged, really listen and let them develop and lay out their entire argument, consider what they have to say and evaluate whatever merits or usefull perspectives it might have. Maybe push back a little on individual things that don't make sense to get them to elaborate.
I find that people who do not have a real argument to stand on crumble when they're forced to actually explain their beliefs in depth, and I can usually put the pieces back together for them in a more reasonable way.
If they simply have axiomatic beliefs that are incompatible with mine in bad ways I usually disengage or else systematically poke holes but feign neutrality. There's no point in arguing with pro-life advocates, but it can be entertaining to chip away at their confidence in their reality by slowly teaching them history, or giving them an inscutible smile while remaining a little too quiet, and occassionally giving absentminded "mmmhmmm"s. Essentially an uno reverse card of "oh you're wrong but I still hope to save your soul eventually".
If their argument is reasonable (backed by solid logic, good assumptions, and/or good evidence), or contains reasonable elements I generally treat them as an equal and show them my cards to some extent, compare notes, and discuss. I'll keep whatever I can use to better explain the world, and file the rest away under "interesting but needs more evidence".
I think what really helps me with this, however, is being autistic and containing a fair bit of spite lol, not any sort of virtue. I usually actually have to be watching for people's social cues to pick up on them, so they just don't hold the same sway for me most of the time. Like what, I'm supposed to go out of my way pick up on your hostility or passive aggressiveness or whatever else, AND react the way you want me to? Nah, it was already too much work to figure out your nonverbal cues, I'm not also going to cater to your unspoken whims, I'd much rather beat you at your silly little social game or else sow chaos.
I enjoy arguing a little to much but it has been a great benefit in narrowing down and solidifying my positions. Even though you will never convince anyone in an abortion debate because it does boil down to which axiom you hold you can learn more about your self researching counter arguments.
Gd, Jared, you let me down. You missed the point on this. She lied. That’s why people were for him.
We are all constantly stepping in minefields wherever we are, it is very stressful for someone that adheres to a skeptical approach to everything that the simple questioning of something can publicly destroy you - no I’m not talking about flat-earthers or antivaxxers or other lunatics, but actual real skepticism.
Having said that, this has always been this way, is just that the public opinion has shifted in a direction where so many people that used to be the upholders are now the ones being “silenced”, and they now have places to find people with the same opinions on social media and complain about their situation.
I'm enjoying your coverage of this debacle because it brings attention to fascinating societal reactionary tendencies, which is much better than focusing on Depp and Heard, about whom I could not care less.
Someone had an epiphany through his time at wisecrack didn't he? 🤣😂🤣
The current Wisecrack would never touch this topic
Best take - and worst thumbnail - on the trial. Good shit!
The more each of us talks about him, the more he wins. There are countless other more ethically important things to talk about: We should constantly try to talk about _the_ most ethical thing at that moment.
Calling attention to systemic sexism surrounding false accusation and the view of men as abusers is pretty important IMO.
Very interesting essay. Some nuance I feel you missed is that rebelling being uncaring of social norms isnt the only reason one might not conform. As an advocate for victims of abuse I was outspoken about Depp's innocence when it wasnt popular. This was because I felt strongly about the topic and was willing to sacrifice those social points but you can bet I conform in most other ways.
I don't think this is such a big problem as it's made out to be.
People who are informed or at least have a strong conviction are more confident in their opinions. If you don't feel very strongly about a topic either way, it's logical that you let yourself be influenced by others.
Of course, not everyone who is confident is actually informed, so it's important to stay critical. But let's be real: we can never absorb all knowledge out there or inform ourselves about every topic.
One example is vaccinations. Or flat earthers. I can't go around and confirm all their science. At some point, I simply need to trust that the generally prevailing view that vaccinations are safe and that the earth is not flat is the right one. And there are good reasons to do so. But it's still "public opinion" and the value of someone "speaking up" against the notion that the earth is a globe is... minimal.
We live in a society. And we depend on other people to form our world view. We are effectively pooling or crowdsourcing our knowledge. Sometimes that goes horribly wrong, turning into violent excesses. But it's also indispensable to civilization.
Ah, but Jared - what if the people who doubted Amber initially, always retained their doubts to some degree, and are now the ones championing Johnny? And what if the spiral of silence has a two way street? The voices championing Amber could be the same, but are silenced by the same shame the champions of Johnny felt in 2018. It’s convenient to o suggest the voices are the same, but the position has changed. But, it’s just as easy that the spiral of silence has merely, like a lobotomized minnow, changed course.
Jared I love your vids keep it up!!!!!!!
I love this topic it’s like a higher stakes Asch experiment.
Depp won.
Take that, Lindsay Ellis!
JAREDDDDD
Amazing how wisecrack doesnt even appear on my feed anymore
You are great keep doing that shiii
Edit:
You know what would be amazing? If you could do a 10 top books ( Philoshpical ) you reccomened
We need some intellect as well.
The problem is that most people they are the moral hero and that their own opinion wasn't just conforming to popular opinion.
I think people had seen the truth, and are also grateful to see the actor many of us watched grow and become, though flawed, he was an abuse victim with some serious issues. I admire him, personally. As I always have. He's a warrior. ❤️🎬👍
And no I'm not some crazy Depp fan. I just dig his vibe as a talented man and a survivor.
I love these kind of videos!
I hope the next fashionable trend is for everyone to start pronouncing "Alexis de Tocqueville" the way Jared does 10:50
Eh this mumbo jumbo doesn't apply to this case. Most people have had their minds made up about this as soon as they became educated on it, and it's basically either been an all out war online, or people educating/filling each other on on THE FACTS and EVIDENCE.
This is a pretty lukewarm warm take but I think it's as simple as Amber Heard getting her comeuppance on the public stage allows a subset of people to finally go "see we told told you they [supposed victims] aren't all saints". I think the lie(s) that she told was an example of a MeToo situation where people blindly or prematurely believe the claims of the supposed victim. I don't think the blow back on Heard would have been nearly as bad if we had not had the last 5 years of people online overwhelmingly being supportive of supposed victims when they didn't warrant the level of sympathy they got. Though, I want to caveat, I use the term victim very loosely here. This is just a collective build up of anger and annoyance on the part of a lot of people being let out on a supposed victim that was shown to have lied.
That's not even a significant fraction of the Heard hate lol, you are in a very specific bubble my dude. YOU are seeing that. Most people are not viewing it under that lense no matter how many of the political culture warriors want to make it about that lol
@Wisdomsnap Sure that's a possibility, just seems to be so given the few videos I've watched from people commenting on it. I'm all ears, why do you think there's so much animosity towards Heard that makes this case special?
@@sneakers_guy5488 I disagree with the idea this is some unique level of animosity in the first place. This is a classic response to people making claims that seem to be trying to destroy some beloved star's career. This is the pre me too status quo. If there is extra animosity, I'd imagine it's actually an inverse of what you said. That people who supported and still support the idea of what metoo was originally trying to do see Amber as extra guilty. Guilty of omitting her own level of physical abuse against Depp while lying about the level of physical abuse from Depp but also she is guilty of using the movement for her own selfish reasons thus delegitimizing and re suppressing real victims stories.
The subset you are referencing are just broken records at this point who have been screaming this for over 5 years now on every case whether substantiated or not in an Amber Heard like tactic to grow their careers, followings, or to push disconnected political agendas. Most people aren't paying attention to that, most people probably only really engaged with this situation when this court case started. It isn't some swell of "I told you so" but of people engaging with the case for the first time and finding an old friend or old crush of theirs in trouble. It's definitely a classic media cycle in combo with Depp's teams PR moves. Perfect example is the manufactured will they won't they between that one lawyer and Depp. That's manufactured to remind people of the Depp they fell in love with 15 to 25 years ago. That visceral cult of celebrity plus nostalgia hacking is what fanned these flames. A tale as old as Hollywood honestly.
I don't bemoan the tactic as I do feel Depp got overly screwed by this but I also don't think Depp's career tanking is Heard's fault. I don't know if you were paying attention but Depp's decline in ability and professionalism and his inability to handle money was being reported on well before Heard. I think she should be punished but culture warriors are really overstretching their hand here and basically claiming vindication in their own church to their own choirs while most of the public is operating on a much more visceral and myopic mentality.
As someone that had been following this thing from the very beginning I think you are right. It was a overall backlash to MeToo but also a backlash to this case individually. Very little of the evidence in the trial was new and everyone that had been follow the whole situation already knew what an injustice it was. They gave a very strong backbone for the general backlash to attach to.
Great UA-camr thanks I’ve been looking for a meta conversation about the culture wars from someone who isn’t promoting it from one side or another. Are there any other channels like this ?
This is a very good breakdown of one of the main reasons why I am mostly antisocial. I have always been vocal about stuff. I write songs without any plot that are mostly social commentary and heated debates is something I enjoy very much, while I understand a lot of others find it very uncomfortable.
I grew up with a bunch of people and when I moved out from my neighborhood when I was 14 up until now, I've never really made any lasting relationships with other people. Not because I don't want to, but because I would never be able to afford being as honest and sincere with other people as I'm still able to be around the people I grew up with. Conformity has always been a serious issue in society and the more I grow up, the more polarized society seems to become. I think I am very quickly turning into one of the so called "beautiful ones" from John Calhoun's Universe 25 experiment. There are so many people out there, some of them get pretty aggressive and I tend to just sit at home and entertain myself.
Thanks for this video. I will definitely look into the spiral of silence.
It wasn't just support it was evidence and the defendants lies.
I pretty much enjoy all of your analysis since Wisecrack ... just a note on JOHN LOCKE, he's not American, he's BRITISH ... I guess it could happen to anyone ... anyways keep up with the nice content !
Yeah yeah I know I fucked up. The downside of a channel full of one draft wonders!
Jared, can you analyze public opinion when it comes to popular unpopular stances? I’m thinking specifically about gun regulations in the states (but I assume you could apply to any other popular unpopular opinion), I think it presents as a unique outlier in the philosophy that is presented in this video essay and would love to know your thoughts! Thank you!
Sounds like you're talking about how easy it is to become sheep. We've had a lot of that going around the past 10 to 20 years. Perhaps even longer.
Literally forever
It sounds like they had a shitty relationship and both sucked.
The conversation should be around how Heard could tear Depp down quickly, but he has to claw and fight his reputation back.
I dunno, accusations that stand unopposed are hard to deny by anyone so far removed from events. It's easier to doubt a party if the subject of them lying has been raised by the accused first
He was never a social pariah as far as this trial goes, was he? Doug Stanhope made the situation clear immediately.
That’s what the trial is about- defamation leading to his cancelation in the industry.
@@JaredBauer I've no idea if I'm agreeing or disagreeing here (or both), but the Doug Stanhope piece was pretty widely circulated at the time (2016?). I'd say a substantial number of people never believed a word Amber Heard said.
@@JaredBauer To the point about conformity, I always thought the (early) Simpson's covered that pretty well. As did some 1920's and 30's cinema. Isn't Frankenstein all about Peasants with Pitchforks for instance, or am I misremembering?
Hey Jared, just a little slip-up I noticed and thought you should know. At 7:16 you refer to John Locke as being an American philosopher when in fact he was English. No biggie, just letting you know. Great video as always btw
Ugh you’re right f*ck me
Hi Jared, can you suggest few books on philosophy to someone like me who is starting into these topics?
Public opinion has throughout history, at least in Europe, in popular topics worked similar to a pendulum. Whether it's generational where teen counter culture takes the opposing stance as their parents did on topics such as public conduct, sexuality and so forth, or political trends such social liberalism after the fall of nazism, it really doesn't streamline progress like left leaning people tend top think. The same can be seen with third wave feminism right now, the foundation for what we accept as truth and not just a "progressive left" stance has slowly been pushed further and further left to the point where we now see a rise in hardcore biologists, both men and women of young age that searches for more traditional relationships, cultural figures like Jordan Peterson and more that acts more as a reaction to the zeitgeist rather than a well thought out world view. This case is just more in that same vein; the other side of the very coin that was exposing sex offenders without trial was the very destruction of many innocent lives for everything from overreactions and misinterpretations to straight up lies and now with such a public showcase of what is obviously such a case people finally have something tangible to latch onto for momentum with the next pendulum swing.
well said!!
The guardian newspaper seems to be on AH's side so I'm not sure if all mainstream opinion is on Depp's.
Barely any mainstream outlets are. They will literally watch a deranged doctor call Johnny and idiot on the stand and call him a narcissist (in between throwing his own fits and licking his teeth), and they will call Depp's fans toxic for shitting on him for it. They will watch testimony of her blatantly lying, fake crying and getting destroyed on cross, then post an article being like "we need to believe amber!" Or "we are going to regret not listening to amber!" Its pathetic
Love it
Cool video. But, FYI, John Locke was not American. He was an English philosopher. (This does not detract from the video or its content at all, by the way.)
Yeah I fucked up on that one
It seems like the loudest people in support of Depp aren't so much supportive of him as an individual so much as they just like seeing a feminist woman that claimed to be an abuse victim be exposed as a fraud and reveling in a major supposed loss for feminists, and likely don't even see domestic abuse as a real problem (except when it's happening to them or another man they identify with). The loudest supporters of Heard, likewise, aren't as much supportive of her as an individual (albeit still somewhat more supportive of her as an individual than Depp's supporters are of him as an individual) so much as they are of the mindset that acknowledging things like female-on-male abuse and other forms of misandry causes people like the loudest Depp supporters I've described to win. The real larger cultural problem seems to be how people don't acknowledge how most of what makes certain things harder for men than women aren't things that exist in spite of patriarchy, but rather because of it. People who actually care about either women's rights or men's rights should seek to extend the rights of both rather than act like one needs to win out over the other, because when you actually trace things back, most misogyny and misandry comes from the same source, and both feminists and male advocates really want the same thing, they just have wildly different conceptions of what that thing is. When they actually work, feminism and male advocacy don't cancel each other out, but rather work together to make the best situation possible. People need to stop making the situation about women vs. men and should just hope that the case goes through the court system properly.
You are right in that I wasnt supporting Depp as much as an individual even though he was wronged on an individual level. I was hoping this would shed light on male victims and the role false accusations play in the power their abusers have over them.
I also agree that people who want to see equality between the sexes should be eager to team up but...
"aren't things that exist in spite of patriarchy, but rather because of it"
It is impossible to team up with someone who's main philosophy is sexist victim blaming and who's solution is to tear you down. I want to raise everyone up to equality rather then bring others down to it.
We should always question... Always! Buuuuuuuut... Pf!
Have you seen the trial?
Yeah
I'm not rooting for the good guy
I'm rooting for a regular decent guy who got unfairly crushed and discriminated against
I always thought Heard's case is fishy, to be fair nobody ever asked me for my opinion, so I never had to voice it
and I never was a person to spontaneously preach on my social media which I barely have
just try to take the stand that has the best arguments.
It's impossible not to have your social group generate a bias in Which arguments sound better
Yes because everyone are throughly investigating every opinion they hold……..
So does group conformity plays a role? Are we all facing agains the elevator?
13:10 that was such a let down,hearing that from your mouth really took you way down in my eyes. do you even know the meaning of "pederasty" in ancient greece?
#metoo isn't new anymore. The only new takes to make profitable media on is to support Depp. He's got a well known name, so it's straightforward to make clickbait
who are these people watching all the 8 plus hour livestreams what do they do for a living
John Locke was British, not American.
Yeah I fucked up
@@JaredBauer It's just a minor mistake.
I clicked on this video so fast.
sounds like sigma males to me
you sound so much like.. Think Story... are you think story?
i been wanting to read the spiral of silence of a while though its an expensive book specially when you live in a third world country.
that said feel what we need to do is trying to build a culture of selfawarnes.. that understand public opinion and reality are 2 different things and for justice to be archived ..you cant take sides on stuff you are not involve directly.. or have build a strong understanding of all the side of what is happening.. not all the side of the argument... cause just taking on account arguments is not seeing the whole picture.
now sure this is an ideal objective that is arguably not possible for a human to fully archive.. but working toward it while having a clear idea of where one is expecting to much of themselves .. could be a healthy state of mind for regular people to be able to navaget this world of goverment/ corporate entntities that are not interest in empowering or helping grow the everyday person but are intact trying to control what they think, say or do. either for their own monetary benefit or to keep a hold in their structure of power like governments and politicians.. who are more concern with controlling the perception of truth than speaking and dealing with the truth.
Papa Meat put together an excellent case for Amber. She should hire this man: m.ua-cam.com/video/C7DdkwlL0Js/v-deo.html
Jordan Peterson is a misogynist and a racist. I don’t see a problem with discounting him as a “philosopher” or ignoring his ideas. Some people just don’t need to be a part of the conversation and that’s not a terrible idea. Especially when a person argues in bad faith and has little to add to the public discourse beyond fomenting toxic culture. I won’t “both sides” Peterson’s trash ideas.
Racist....?
Tell me you have never listened to Peterson without telling me you have never listened to Peterson. I am 100% confident you did not form this opinion yourself since you are parroting lies.
@@williamjenkins4913 instead of giving me context your giving me opinions.😒 never mind I'll get info from someone less emotional and more rational.
@@jawarafrazer8530 I wasnt responding to you my dude.
@@williamjenkins4913 yes. I figured it out after reading the whole thread but because your comment appeared on my YT notification I made a mistake and thought you were replying to me. Was waiting for you to reply back to apologize so..... sorry my G my bad.
Jared is the best!
She has been caught lying over and over and over. Johnny tells the same story and has been very honest.
Hey man, please don't use goths as a synonym for non-conformity for the sake of it. That's not at all what goth or metal subculture is about and just comes off as ignorant. If your only knowledge on a subculture is southpark... at least be explicit that you're deliberately referencing stereotypes!
The most un-goth thing anyone has ever said. And metal and goth are not comparable subcultures.
@@mintchardonnay3641 I am a metalhead and a goth, you have no power here.
Because you say so ? Jesus Christ, how is this about power over anyone at all
Cancel Amber Turd🤣
POV: you've been here since the beginning and know the fake from the real of this case