How to Reformat NetApp HDD to 512B Sector Size - 552
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2017
- Major storage vendors like NetApp, EMC, or even HPE Format there There Drives in a spicial matter on there High End SANs. non standard sector size of 520bit or 528bit. And my RAID controllers refused to initialized drive other than the normal 512bit. We fix that!
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You, Sir are awesome! I purchased 20 Seagate ST9600205SS drives off of Ebay to use in my VMWare builds using Dell R610 R710 servers but found out too late they weren't compatible because of 520 block size. Using a non-RAID Dell controller and your technique I was able to reformat them to a 512 block size. Brilliant!
Hi Terrance Sullivan
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Just found a great deal on some 2TB HDDs that had this problem. I picked up 6 of them for $10 each. I remembered this video on how to fix this and I'm so happy to finally have some real storage! Thanks a ton Morten, you're the best :)
Hi Kevin Clingerman
Thank You very much! It's awesome to hear, that my little video made a difference :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
The CentOS install and the formatting of the drives makes me so happy as its just like me when using linux :)
In a later video I found that this could also be done in Windows,, so there is both options,, It is a bit irritating to have to install a different OS, to reformat a few disks.
Happy to see you using Linux and even more happy that FilipeS told you how to format all disks in one go. You need to make an extra video, so your 27.000 viewers are not wasting the same amount of time :-)
Hi Carsten Hansen
Thank You very much! I suck at linux,, I do not need to brag about that. :-/
Thank you for watching! :-)
hello Morten, I'm so glad you record this video !!!! ,your video is great !!! ....
Hi Tehnics -Optics
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
thanks :-)
Thanks for the video. Made my accidental purchase of 520 byte drives a lot easier to convert. Great that you can do several at one time given the length of time the conversion takes. MERCI BUCKETS!
Glad I could help! - I have also done videos on how to do it in windows,, if you like that better.
@@MyPlayHouse Ya. I watched both the linux and Windows versions of your videos and decided to go with the Windows solution as it allowed easy multi tasking the solution. Your hints on how to get the SG3 software to work were just enough information for me to get the whole job done in short order. Merry Chrostmas and Happy New Year to you and your family. Good luck with your new adventures in Porugal.
Thank You Very much..
Just wanted to let you know that you didn't have to do each drive individually. You can use this to do multiple drives at once....
SINGLE DISK:
sg_format -v --format --size=512 /dev/sg2
LOOP FOR MULTIPLE:
for disk in $(ls /dev/da{#first…#last}); do echo “>>> ${disk}
Hi DCMiner
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Thanks for posting. Very useful.
Hi Source Break
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
It is also possible with an adaptec 5405 - You just have to make some entries direct into the adapter-bios-configuration (boot etc. all enable)
Hi manbu
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Gettings from Canada Morten! I am looking at getting a netapp ds4243 like yours, what is the proper controller and cable for a 24 drive unit? I will be running it on UnRaid. Thanks!
Hi Jesse A
Thank You very much! I have made more videos on this,, and do show the cables and controller in some of them.
Thank you for watching! :-)
I'm not a linux expert but I think you could format all at once using the "[ ]". for example /dev/sg[2-25] and it would run the command on all the drives from 2 to 25
Hi FilipeS
Thank You very much! but a bit late .-) but thank you :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Also for future use * is a wildcard so it will select everything in a folder. So format /dev/sg* would try to format everything in the /dev/ folder that starts with sg.
Doesn't work.
I used sg[2-6] and it cancels formatting 2 as it tells "Unexpected extra argument /dev/sg3" 4,5 and 6. Seems like this doesn't run it like seperate commands, but as one command while just one format process is possible.
@@Bezos404 damn really had hoped this would work i have 72 drives to do
#!/bin/bash
for drv in {2..25};
do
sg_format --format /dev/sg$drv > sg_format.out &
done
Powerful raid control! Did Lenovo's system x3650 model has that sas interface?
Only the M1 has the 8088 connector as default. m2 and forward has to have another raid card installed .
Hi sogndal94
Yes only server I have ever seen it build in to,,, able to manage 64 drivs. in total.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Out of curiosity, do non-Netapp drives work in the DS4243? I am thinking about doing the same thing but I don't want to purchase a bunch of NetApp disks if I don't need to.
Hi Eli Ben-Shoshan
Thank You very much! I had two drives 600GB, that did not work well, I put in two others from another non NETAPP set up, and they worked just fine.
Thank you for watching! :-)
I'm curious if Darik's Boot and Nuke (DBAN) ran on all of the disks with a one-pass zeroing could have sped this up a bit?
Sorry you totally lost me,, and I have been laying sleepless for 6 years with this :-)
very nice , i will try this with my Netapp DS14MK2 because i have the problem that windows sees the drivers but cannot initialize them. (14* 300 GB FC drivers.)
Hi dedb25
Thank You very much! I have one of those to,,, I have not been able to connect to it yet.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Does the change in Sector size affected total disk capacity? if yes how much? what is the empty weight of disk shelf without any drive? great job
Not really, it is like removing all the walls in your house, and put them up again, with an extra bedroom. Even if you got an extra bed room, you did not get more square meters, and the more wall might take up a little more space.
Very Helpful video , I guess the Netapp burn in the sector size within the firmware?
Hi Joe Haynes
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Can your RAID Controller handle a disk larger than 2 TB ? How large of a disk can the RAID Controller handle ? Do you have enough compute power to set up a "Watson" ? Or store more data than Linus ? Thank you for the video ! tjl P.S. What would you have your "Watson " do ?
Hi Tim Lipinski
The raid controller build in to the Lenovo x3650 M1 can max handle 2TB drives. but it can handle 64 of them. Watson runs on "PowerPC" not x86,, as fare as I know??
and No Linus has a lot more storages,, I think I have maybe 150TB all in all -ish But I have way more then I need.
Thank you for watching! :-)
To all those saying format in Linux, I'm pretty sure that the RAID Controller has to perform the formatting, otherwise it still won't recognize the disks. You could just have software RAID, but that defeats the purpose of the RAID Controller on this server.
My big thought though is why? NetApp 99.99% of the time will handle the storage needs properly, and will almost always do a better job in balancing the load across all drives than the server's RAID because that's what NetApp does, and only does. Unless this is to save some power, which I get, or just to prove it can be done, which is actually really cool.
Hi 101rockfreak
Thank You very much! I Just did not feel like using the NetApp controller,, want a little bit to make my own storages server.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Thank you so much for this video, i received the wrong drives (netapp instead of hp) and i thought i was out of luck. I will try this but the formatting takes so long, i hear there is a way to also do the formatting in linux but i dont know how. would you happen to know how I could do that also to save some time to attend my course on monday lol.
Hi umirza85
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
I just bought a Dell R710 server on eBay for 67$. I thought it would be newer than the Dell Poweredge R620 but it seems a lot older. The 710 supports 4 and 6 core CPUs and 1333 MHz memory. The 620 supports 12 core CPUs and 1866mhz memory. The datasheet for the 710 says it's certified to work with emc storage arrays but has no external sas plugs. It does have 2 internal ones that connect to the hard drive backplane. Can I hook those up to my emc vnx sae storage unit?
I have not tried to use EMC shelfs, but they might be as "stupid" as others.
Well done☺
I need that Storage server😍
Hi tobi Herrmann
Thank You very much! Well the storages server becomes better in the next video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
I've been talking with another youtube streamer and he said 2 things. 1) I can get a ds2246 unit and an hba card and format my netapp drives to 512 bytes. 2) Other option apparently is to buy an hba card and use my emc vnx sae 24 dish shelf and ubuntu or linux. Or 3) is to flash my raid card to factory or something so it gets rid of the raid information. The ds2246 setup is 200$ to format my hard drives. The hba and emc route is like 20$ because I already bought a emc sae shelf and cables, and I have a bootable ubuntu usb stick. And the last option which is to flash my raid card to make it non raid is too tedious an effort. Which of these do you suggest or do you know something easier and better?
I have never tried to use a DELL EMC shelfs, so do not know if there would be any problems.
Hi Morten, I have fiber channel netapp disk arrays that I had to convert the drives from netapp 520 back to normal 512. sudo sg_format --format --size=512 --verbos=/dev/sg1 - /dev/sg1
Hi A S
Thank You very much! sg1 to sg1,, you mean sg1 - sg25 or?
Thank you for watching! :-)
The worst part is the waiting. Reformatting is slow as heck. I did mine with truenas. Just open up multiple shells and format them all at the same time.
Hi @michaelWNY
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Oh My!
Hi Unkyjoe's Playhouse
Thank You very much! 62,5 TB storags server comming up :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Use linux to do the formatting as well.
It will be much faster.
Hi @roderickroderick7216
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
What if you had removed the drivers, and formatted it on another machine with windows? I think it would have been faster.
Hi Marcone Ribeiro
Thank You very much! I do not know,, it might also have been faster in the linux thing,, if i had tried that,, and knew how :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Hi there! it's been a few months I am following you and watching your videos. It happened to purchase 8 Hitachi SAS 15k 600GB drives with a NETAPP firmware. I want to use them on DELL PowerEdge R310 servers. It also happened to find the same article and then I found this video. I managed to format the drives, but I would like actually to flash the drives with a most common (Hitachi) firmware or even better with the DELL's firmware. Did you had to flash/change the firmware on your drives or you left them as they were? Do you know how could I change the firmware? I do have the firmware I want to load. I downloaded that from DELL's support site. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks a lot in advance for your time.
Hi Angelos Pitsos
Thank You very much! I haven't done this,, if you find out how,, I am also interested :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
hello, how did you flash the disks on r310
I have an r710 and I cannot connect them to bypass the standard raid controller ... which controller did you use?
thank !
Hi @@TheSamTry! Apologies for the delay of my answer, but I just noticed your comment. Actually I didn't flash them. I could use them as they were with the H700 controller. The R710 is the same generation (I also have a R710) and I believe you could use them as they are, as well.
I have a smart array p410i and recently bought some seagate 1.2TB 12Gb 10k drives, but my raid card will not even see the drives. Is it because they are formatted to the non standard 520b sector size?
Maybe,, I do not have the p410,, so maybe.. :-/
@@MyPlayHouse The hard drives came from a dell server, would they be incompatible with my hp dl360 g6? if I were to do a low level format from a dell do you think my hp would recognize it?
Can I use this cable EMC Mini SAS SFF-8088 2M/6.5FT cable 038-003-787 to connect my ds2246 (I don't have one yet) to my HPE 615418-B21 P822 Smart Array? I have a EMC VNX SAE 25x 600GB 10K Array w/ 2x 6GB SAS LCC Controllers 303-104-000E and the raid card and the mini sas to mini sas cables. Can I just get by with using these instead of spending another 200$?
There is a good change, that these cables are the same,, just different brands... I would try.
@@MyPlayHouse I'd prefer not to buy cables. They are like $40 from China.
Tried doing this with 2 of my new drives in 520 Block size, but the RAID card handles the drives so only the RAID card comes back.
Hi No_Name
Thank You very much! I have not done this since..
Thank you for watching! :-)
SIR, which operating system and computer you use in this video. please
If I do not say it in the video,, I do not remember.
i've done a multi format using the M1 raid controller and just let it sit
hit format on the first drive then start the second drive format and so on... the first drive will for some reason be the last to finish but they can all be done at the same time. same things goes with the secure erase (keep in mind like i told you before it took 72 hours to secure erase 4x2tb drives) so i wont be doing the secure erase anytime soon on the 3650 M1.
Hi Joe MacPherson
Thank You very much! it took me 2½ days to low leverl format 24*2TB
Thank you for watching! :-)
Hi Joe MacPherson
Thank You very much! it took me 2½ days to low leverl format 24*2TB
Thank you for watching! :-)
Are you going to replace your Dell iSCSI array with these?
Hi Robopwner
I might,,, debating that,,, internally in my head.
Thank you for watching! :-)
I would trade a workstation for 1 for both of those!
With all that kit in the one room, you will not need any heating in winter LoL
Hi Silas Hack
Yes this is not quit enough,, this was like 600watt
Thank you for watching! :-)
I am not familer on linux, may I know how can I create such USB to boot a centOS? I have download CentOS but seems it was a installation ISO.
Hi Alan Tang
As I remember it I made a bootable USB with centOS using rufus.ie/
Thank you for watching! :-)
I have download the ISO and make it bootable on USB. It seems a installation media only. May I know did I need to install the CentOS on the machine's first?
@@MyPlayHouse I have installed the CentOS but it cannot recognize my HD. May I know you also connect the HD to the RAID Card without any Configuration at the RAID card?
Thanks!
Is it necessary to connect both DS4243 controllers?
Hi SAI
Yes it looks SO much more cooler :-) NO I did turn off the bottom one.
Thank you for watching! :-)
My PlayHouse
It can work properly without it right ??
I think he means you can run only the top unit if you wish.
I'll be receiving mine eventually(still in the post) and I'll update you if he doesn't reply before it arrives. :)
Does this also work the opposite way? from 512 to 520?
Hi sandmann7121992
I have not tried it that way,, but I do not see why not.
Thank you for watching! :-)
what are you planning with this disk storage? Replace the old Dell storage?
Hi Chris Lowe
That could be a plan.
Thank you for watching! :-)
What is the advantage of reformatting a disk from 520 to 512 sectors?
They will work with normal operating system,, like Windows and Linux
@@MyPlayHouse ah ok, now I understand, so you can get cheap HDDs .. and in which brand and model of hard drives can this be done? or how can I know which discs have the 520b format to re format to 512
Hi Morten, it was perhaps better to delete the partitions with Diskpart in
Windows with, for example, or through the writing administration screen
in Windows then sees the server never formatted disk as a disk this is also a
bit more hassle with another server but I think many times faster.Another great video keep up the good work. Best regards Jo Denekamp
Hi Dit Is Jo
Thank You very much! but I do not believe that Windows will even touch 520B size sektors.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Hi Morten, I did successively make my hard disk writing by my sinology Nas
clean en empty two use with Diskpart successfully back these were not read or
described in Windows any more I honestly do not no or Windows can use 520b
sectors or not.Best regards Jo Denekamp
Hi Morten, I did the hard drive writing by my sinology Nas use with
Diskpart successfully clean and back these were not read or described in
Windows any more I honestly do not no or Windows can use with 520b sectors. Best
regards Jo Denekamp
I have the problem when booting centos. It crashes while loading into kernel panic error. :((
Hi E psilon
That suckes :-/ maybe look at "serverguide 10.6" or newer to see if that will help.
Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse cheers! I will also try different command in windows that i have found..
@@MyPlayHouse Thank you for making these videos. Unfortunately the format protection command did not work. I must try a linux env.
I did this with Sg3 utility in Centos and in Windows 10, It works with Mechanical disks, Didnt work with 520bps SSD!!
Hi mhaddadi
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Your new Plex Server storage...?
Hi Daniel Tekmyster
Thank You very much! or just a local copy of netflix.
Thank you for watching! :-)
What will you do with this server?
Hi Rick UK
Not sure...
Thank you for watching! :-)
To late, but wouldn't using Gparted a lot easier ? :)
And also you can queue actions in GParted, no need to do it disk by disk ...
Hi @oursours
Thank You very much! Maybe,, I am not much of a linux user,, glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
The things you have to do to change formats.
Hi Scott Downey
took three bloody days,,, :-/
Thank you for watching! :-)
I have x3350 M2 will work ?
Hi Wilson Rojas
I do not,, have that server,, I do not know what you could run in to..
Thank you for watching! :-)
You have all this fun stuff, but aren't good with a linux terminal?
Hi Buss1000
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
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What a bitch , wow
Daisy-chain those f**ks :D
Hi gonace
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Make a water curtain and a fan
Hi @pauladrian200330
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Hi Kim Hundal
:-) yahh,, disclaimer,, I have stocks in Atea :-)
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BenJaminL11 Hello Benji.
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I wrote a tool to reformat multiple drives in parallel. Very basic, but it works good. It's on github github.com/agWarez/SAS-TO-512 .
Hi Ar Gon
That is cool,, I do not have any more drives right now. but I am sure this would help.
Thank you for watching! :-)
You don't need to read all the text from the screen. We can all read and so you can just give a brief explanation.
Hi Stefan Holmes
Thank You very much! well I try to mix it up, and not always do the same thing,, I never reat out loud all of them,, but once in awhile I do one.
Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse I liked to see the script , in fact I looked for the source of the text
OMG!!!!! Dont spend 2 hours per drive formatting. Find a better way.
Once you convert from 520b to 512b, You can QUICKformat the drives in any OS you want like a normal format. Then go into the RAID setup to add them.
Hi mrlithium69
Thank You very much! but are you sure,, even the raid controler could not initialize it before it had run this low level format.
Thank you for watching! :-)
unfortunately, no, low level formatting is different than the format done by an OS. However I thought it could be done with the sg3_utils. At least then it could be put in a script and left to do it's own thing for the next two hours...or possibly format the drive in parallel because I think the drives might do all the work. Might want to have a UPS during the low level format, in the old days I think you could loose a drive if the low level format is interrupted, but maybe it would fine..
root: command not found !
Hehe I'm a Linux sysadmin .. and today is sysadmin/IT day ... So happy day to all !!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Matias M.
Thank You very much!
Thank you for watching! :-)
Why not use linux GParted tool and remove all the partitions of the affected drives.
You can sellect the drives and than click apply it's that easy.
gparted.org
Once all partitions are removed your raid controller wil recognise the drives and have full controll over them.
Hi @GeertDroid
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
The power usage alone on SAS drives makes them nowhere near worth the time or money - especially for a measly 600GB/disk.
It´s an older video, about some even older equipment,, when this was new,, you would need to hand over your first born, to get yourself a enterprise SSD. :-)
@@MyPlayHouse I'm fully aware of the age of this video; and, while enterprise SSDs were expensive then, they were not THAT expensive. Also, to anyone who watches this video, enterprise SSDs would have been pointless, and they could have used consumer SSDs - then, and now.
From what I've seen so far on you're channel, you're just another UA-cam [wannabe] tech guy...and, I really wish you all would get off the platform and stop posting videos that give people who don't know better, the wrong idea about technology.
can you not use...
sudo apt-get update ret throw in password ret
sudo apt-get install program_name install
sudo reboot ret
sudo apt-get update ret throw in password ret
sudo apt-get upgrade ret
Hi DAVID GREGORY KERR
This reminds me so much of DOS and using hours to tweak a CD com driver to fit in the HIGH mem area or even better up into expanded MEM, to get another free 20K in conventional memory ,, oh F* I do not miss that. And the editor in DOS 3.3 "Edlin",,line based editing,,horrible to work with.
No, I left that party and only look at it when there is no other way.
Thank you for watching! :-)
My PlayHouse the root terminal was the only way of getting things done
This is CentOS which does not use apt but yum as the package manager, hence the above commands would not work on a CentOS machine.
My PlayHouse If you need help with Linux in the future, feel free to shoot me a message, I know my way around it and can explain most of it to you in danish if you prefer so :)
Frederik Bjerggaard Nielsen I have used yum on Debian 8 but I prefer Linux mint
ah, edlin....good times.
-ffmt=1makes it much faster sg_format -format -ffmt=1 -size=512 /dev/sg26
Hi Chris Parkin
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHousehave you configured a bot to always reply with the same lines on every comment?