Lionel is such a fascinating star because in spite of all of his undeniable gifts... he makes mistakes - human mistakes. It's like... a Superman story is boring because he's so unbeatable... but a Batman or Spiderman story will always be exciting because they are mortal, vulnerable and fallible. Lionel - your fallibility makes your Superman-level ability relatable to the rest of us mortals. Thank you for sharing so much of your incredible journey with us! And Talbot - you're awesome too!
You're such a huge inspiration. I went through hip surgery this summer and while browsing on youtube I stumbled upon one of your videos. Your self-reflection is something I mirror in my life, and because of you I'm training for Copenhagen 70.3 in June. All the best, and a huge applause for the impact you have on others.
At the 19:42 mark you can see Lionel's pulse in his chest at the point of maximal impulse located on the left anterior chest wall at the base of his pectoral muscle. Pretty cool
So glad not only you jogged back to finish line in Daytona but also chasing down other guys the entire trip. Look forward to your Kona performance in Feb.
INSPIRING! You live and breathe my own motto in life which is "Never Stop Improving" and this is why I am such a big fan of you Lionel. Keep doing what you are doing mate. I plan to see you in Kona 2020 again as one of your biggest AG fans. Huge respect!
As a scientist as well as an ironman I would guess your body reacts different when you are in normal vs in peak shape. Also I suffer much more in the second marathon half where I guess my sweating is different than vs the first half. Be careful to split the measures and just add them up later on. Always add some sort of uncertainty factor (+/-), maybe depending on how much you slow down in the second half or sth., also account for different temperatures. When I hear this interview I am a bit afraid you will prepare for something which could not be sufficient in race day... All the best Lioel, I really hope you have a great season 2020!
Totally agree with One Punch. Let me put it another way: Are you guys assuming that the swat rate / energy consumption / lactate accumulation, will be the same when you approach the segments fresh versus when you get to them with already a high level of fatigue?? Wish you the best Lionel, hope you crush it this year!
@@MrJanipapillon What I meant by that Jani is that when you have already been working for a few hours you have a lot of Lactate Acid accumulated in your system.
John Valerian interesting take.. I have been with Lionel for 3 years now I have never seen him have a coach and do the testing in Kona. Can you fill me in?
It is great to see him with a coach. I think it’s really getting used to his somewhat unorthodox methodology to getting to the same point as other pros. For all intents and purposes, it does seem rogue to hang out on Hawaii to get data, etc. When you don’t see any other pros really needing to do this to get to where they want to be. He’s an interesting guy, I just hope it works this year.
@@TalbotCoxMedia I think what John is getting at is that every year after Kona, Lionel will identify where it went wrong, define actions and start working obsessively on that (although might not always follow through until the end). This is how it should be: you try, fail, learn, try again, etc. However, with the format of long talks, I do also sometimes have the feeling we're running in circles while really Lionel is just going through an annual self assessment. All pro's do it. This format just puts more emphasis on that, which might make it feel a bit more repetitive. Some like it, some don't. Don't be afraid to piss off 80% to have a very loyal 20%.
John Valerian @talbot Cox every year Lionel says he screwed up last season and over compensates and makes new mistakes and old mistakes once again. All while not fixing the over arching “basic” elements of his kona prep that other athletes are nailing down. Focus on the tree trunk not the leaves.
it's like groundhog day, the same things over & over & over, I'm pretty convinced he'll never change. all the testing in the world won't make up for not following the plan, not listening to his coach & sticking to the basics.
The aim to 'be and become a better person' for yourself, in sport AND in live, makes your journey, in my eyes, so highly interesting. It's like storytelling in real live, containing action, obstacles, fails and victories - the hero is you, the mentor your trainer. Live is no straight line and triathlon isn't that too, especially on the highest world class level. To collect all this data is one more step to fight that shadow of insecureness and change it into a more stable self-confidence. Analyzing the data is the job of your trainer / mentor now. As a trainer / mentor he can bring more balance in the whole system. As an athlete / hero it could be your chance to listen. In storytelling it's this kind of clue that the hero accepts from the mentor, that gives the whole story it's ongoing direction. As I said, it's' highly interesting to follow your journey. Thanks for sharing! And thanks at Talbot for doing all this wonderful work!
I've watched his whole career, and cant make up my mind if he's a realist. Sometimes I think he is insane with all the elements or excuse for defeat. Sometimes your competing against better athletes, period. To me, Lionel is a 70.3 athlete. That appears to be his wheelhouse. The 70.3 allows him to muscle through it, on his own. He's too controlling to rely on a coach as needed for the 140.6. And I still dont understand why his wife is so involved. Too much data, volitale emotions, and "lessons" while time continues to tick away. 70.3 races = wins = success = gratifying career.
Lionel is 31. Frodeno is 38 and won his first kona at 34, Lange is 33 and won his first at 31, Kienle is 35 and won his first at 30, Mark Allen won at 31, They all go through this learning and years and years of training, otherwise triathlete world champs would be mid to late 20s. Best is yet to come for Lionel!
meh. I'll leave it to him to define what a 'gratifying career' is. Lionel is a beast. He inspires me to go hard, I’ll assume others have similar feelings. Not everything in life is winning.
Great assessment. I agree with all points. I've been hesitant to click on his videos lately due to the same issue, same old rambling. I really believe he lacks a specific vision.
I have that same lime green watch strap for my Garmin 😅 Kind of regret it as it doesn't match with anything, but makes it so easy to find my watch; used to lose my watch with the black strap (especially when groggy in the morning).
@SEAL CYCLE I think you are probably right. In all likelihood you will probably overhaul his entire nutrition plan, change the bike frame size two weeks before Kona. I really hate watching this guy self implode every year.
Salt concentration is insanely variable depending on the athlete. Anywhere from 200mg to 3+g per liter of sweat. Sweat rate isn't nearly as variable but training in the heat will lower the salt concentration in your sweat.
Great video! How would you suggest training your hydration if you are going to do your first 70.3 but most training happens indoors - Especially with the difference between sweat rates inside and outside?
Guys, I hope you are one step closer. Yes you need all that data. But do it right. Find the way to pace bike ride in that way, that you can release enough energy at marathon PLANED TIME. You need 6000 joule per kg for each mile of running. You can oksidize this amount in 2:40 minutes or in 4h. Depends on Lionel training from now to October and proper race pacing @bike, Lionel will run fast or walk again outhere. I will not write down my guess.
Sweat rate and sodium loss can change by 50% depending on heat training. So you may loose much or today than you would if you heat trained appropriately.
I heard Lionel mention he wants to start training his gut sooner rather than later, but I'm curious if one can start training their gut to soon before an A race? I was coached by a Kropelnicki coach in 2017 and was informed that you don't want to start training the gut to handle that much Gatorade too soon for fear of the body adapting and making that the new normal. Thoughts anyone?
I think that makes sense. You want your body to know that it's getting a special "hit", that it normally doesn't have. While if you are "always topped up" your body won't use it as it should. That's my take on in.
Too crazy of an idea to have done the run in a jacket to replicate the heat of October? Potential page out of Meb's book when he was prepping for his Olympic marathon medal in brutal heat.
Luv watching this guy - but got a MIND of his own 😳😳😳 Must be a Coaches nightmare but saying that if I was a Coach he would be exactly the guy I would like to take on - rollercoaster but Never boring Go Win KONA PZE 😎😎😎🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
Just some thoughts. I noticed you said you were a little dehydrated before the swim. Would it not be a more accurate measurement of data if you were to do the swim just like Kona? Like, a rest day before with plenty of food and fluids in you? It would seem if you went into the swim a little dehydrated that the rate at which you’re losing fluids during the swim would be greater than if you were fully rested and carb/fluid upped. I bet you wouldn’t lose a full kilo and I bet some of those rest day carbs would help retain fluid during the swim. Just some thoughts😉
That's probably quite normal for ironman I think. I did 2 bottles an hour and lost similar 😝 (though I'm not as lean as Lionel and arguably have a bit more *spare*)
Hey Talbot, thanks for the video but the audio was so bad during the interview... Really should've used a portable microphone in my opinion. Just food for tought for the next time
Guillaume Rompré they were already talking I just set up two cameras with a over head mic. I did not even plan to add this I was just giving you guys the pleasure of listening in. 🤷🏼♂️
Bastian Schmid I mentioned that to him in Indian Wells. I actually suggested he get one and he was already in the process of getting hooked up with one. 😂😂
That's the enigma of Lionel's running style, it's deceptively fast. Look at his Daytona Challenge video, he averaged ~3:15 per km for 10.78 km (~5.13 per mile for 6.7 miles)
@@Mike.A. Fast enough ie blistering short course but isn't efficient enough to challenge for the Kona podium. Latic, sweat production and other metrics are markers etc. Reduce bike, up gym work for movement efficiency. Tilbury's got it. PS: And that's what I am doing :)
to my champion friend lionel sanders this is tony from the bigisland believe in your self say i want to win this race than start doing things that makes you faster,STRONGER if i can only teach you some things i be happy HOW YOU TRAIN EACH DAY HOW MANY HOURS ARE YOU TRAINING i was watching a video on a day and life of jan frodeno he starts at 530 am and finish training at 8pm if you want to finish the whole race in 7 hours and 30 mins than train each day 7 hours and 30 mins than your body will j get use to that 7 hour 30 mins think improve your speed now im testing organic foods all organic gives the power the zoom test what works for you always rest well after each training session as soon as you finish have a small organic meal i drink my powder gatorade mix drink right away and some water i drink only fresh purified water that i buy from the water machine for $1.25 for 5 gallons i never drink tap water from the sink put it all togetter and win this race dont forget to believe in jesus./ father pio/,blessed mother/god/and joesph i pray before and after of each training session i see dave scott and mark allen at the finish line all the time real champions you can do this lionel i know you can give it ALL YOU CAN sign tony on the bigisland
lionel it takes years to learn how to win the ironman triathlon learn things from the people who are winning watch the things jan fredeno doing hes winning you see how fast he is how you train is very important be a better scientist on how our body works how we get tired how to perfint tiredness by watch the people who won now and before you can learn many things to me you have to be a scientist to learn how to win i seen all your videos lionel sign tony cares
Lionel is such a fascinating star because in spite of all of his undeniable gifts... he makes mistakes - human mistakes. It's like... a Superman story is boring because he's so unbeatable... but a Batman or Spiderman story will always be exciting because they are mortal, vulnerable and fallible. Lionel - your fallibility makes your Superman-level ability relatable to the rest of us mortals. Thank you for sharing so much of your incredible journey with us! And Talbot - you're awesome too!
You're such a huge inspiration. I went through hip surgery this summer and while browsing on youtube I stumbled upon one of your videos. Your self-reflection is something I mirror in my life, and because of you I'm training for Copenhagen 70.3 in June. All the best, and a huge applause for the impact you have on others.
Ha must be cool to discover Lionel fresh in the last 6 months. Good luck 😎
Yeah and not Lionel Messi instead... :p
At the 19:42 mark you can see Lionel's pulse in his chest at the point of maximal impulse located on the left anterior chest wall at the base of his pectoral muscle. Pretty cool
Ha pretty cool. That's the right lower side as you look at it for those who aren't med students 😘
Correct. Lionel's left, the viewer's right.
Around 60 bpm. My sleeping heart rate is higher than that :)
@SEAL CYCLE Jog on
May not need anymore motivation then..."I'm sick of walking down that damn Queen K..." - LS
So glad not only you jogged back to finish line in Daytona but also chasing down other guys the entire trip. Look forward to your Kona performance in Feb.
INSPIRING! You live and breathe my own motto in life which is "Never Stop Improving" and this is why I am such a big fan of you Lionel. Keep doing what you are doing mate. I plan to see you in Kona 2020 again as one of your biggest AG fans. Huge respect!
As a scientist as well as an ironman I would guess your body reacts different when you are in normal vs in peak shape.
Also I suffer much more in the second marathon half where I guess my sweating is different than vs the first half.
Be careful to split the measures and just add them up later on.
Always add some sort of uncertainty factor (+/-), maybe depending on how much you slow down in the second half or sth., also account for different temperatures.
When I hear this interview I am a bit afraid you will prepare for something which could not be sufficient in race day...
All the best Lioel, I really hope you have a great season 2020!
Totally agree with One Punch. Let me put it another way: Are you guys assuming that the swat rate / energy consumption / lactate accumulation, will be the same when you approach the segments fresh versus when you get to them with already a high level of fatigue?? Wish you the best Lionel, hope you crush it this year!
@@aounjose lactate accumulation???!
One punch Bud No offense, but... Nobody professionally is going to go to the UA-cam comment section for real advice.
@@MrJanipapillon What I meant by that Jani is that when you have already been working for a few hours you have a lot of Lactate Acid accumulated in your system.
@@EatMyPropwash well i know that Sebi for example checks his comment section from time to time.
Lionel will do whatever he likes anyway 😅
All this footage over the last 2 years is gonna make for a great documentary when Lionel wins Kona in 2020
Agreed...and Im here for all of it. FRONT AND CENTER!
Like being a fly on the wall while Lionel and coach DTD discuss fitness & nutrition testing in Kona 👍
Man. I feel like we do this every year.
John Valerian interesting take.. I have been with Lionel for 3 years now I have never seen him have a coach and do the testing in Kona. Can you fill me in?
It is great to see him with a coach. I think it’s really getting used to his somewhat unorthodox methodology to getting to the same point as other pros. For all intents and purposes, it does seem rogue to hang out on Hawaii to get data, etc. When you don’t see any other pros really needing to do this to get to where they want to be. He’s an interesting guy, I just hope it works this year.
@@TalbotCoxMedia I think what John is getting at is that every year after Kona, Lionel will identify where it went wrong, define actions and start working obsessively on that (although might not always follow through until the end). This is how it should be: you try, fail, learn, try again, etc. However, with the format of long talks, I do also sometimes have the feeling we're running in circles while really Lionel is just going through an annual self assessment. All pro's do it. This format just puts more emphasis on that, which might make it feel a bit more repetitive. Some like it, some don't. Don't be afraid to piss off 80% to have a very loyal 20%.
John Valerian @talbot Cox every year Lionel says he screwed up last season and over compensates and makes new mistakes and old mistakes once again. All while not fixing the over arching “basic” elements of his kona prep that other athletes are nailing down. Focus on the tree trunk not the leaves.
it's like groundhog day, the same things over & over & over, I'm pretty convinced he'll never change. all the testing in the world won't make up for not following the plan, not listening to his coach & sticking to the basics.
The aim to 'be and become a better person' for yourself, in sport AND in live, makes your journey, in my eyes, so highly interesting. It's like storytelling in real live, containing action, obstacles, fails and victories - the hero is you, the mentor your trainer. Live is no straight line and triathlon isn't that too, especially on the highest world class level. To collect all this data is one more step to fight that shadow of insecureness and change it into a more stable self-confidence. Analyzing the data is the job of your trainer / mentor now. As a trainer / mentor he can bring more balance in the whole system. As an athlete / hero it could be your chance to listen. In storytelling it's this kind of clue that the hero accepts from the mentor, that gives the whole story it's ongoing direction. As I said, it's' highly interesting to follow your journey. Thanks for sharing! And thanks at Talbot for doing all this wonderful work!
Dissection- you blew it.
The empty streets look funny now! :)
Hope you get the best from the test!!
No injuries in 2020, wish you all the best with the training!!
I've watched his whole career, and cant make up my mind if he's a realist. Sometimes I think he is insane with all the elements or excuse for defeat. Sometimes your competing against better athletes, period. To me, Lionel is a 70.3 athlete. That appears to be his wheelhouse. The 70.3 allows him to muscle through it, on his own. He's too controlling to rely on a coach as needed for the 140.6. And I still dont understand why his wife is so involved. Too much data, volitale emotions, and "lessons" while time continues to tick away. 70.3 races = wins = success = gratifying career.
Lionel is 31. Frodeno is 38 and won his first kona at 34, Lange is 33 and won his first at 31, Kienle is 35 and won his first at 30, Mark Allen won at 31, They all go through this learning and years and years of training, otherwise triathlete world champs would be mid to late 20s. Best is yet to come for Lionel!
meh. I'll leave it to him to define what a 'gratifying career' is. Lionel is a beast. He inspires me to go hard, I’ll assume others have similar feelings. Not everything in life is winning.
Great assessment. I agree with all points.
I've been hesitant to click on his videos lately due to the same issue, same old rambling.
I really believe he lacks a specific vision.
I have that same lime green watch strap for my Garmin 😅 Kind of regret it as it doesn't match with anything, but makes it so easy to find my watch; used to lose my watch with the black strap (especially when groggy in the morning).
Looking good in those @FORM goggles @3:57
Lionel you’re the man!
Superinsightful! Thanks guys.
Very inspiring thank you all
You are the best!
Train your running style!!! It will save time, energy and be better for the body.
Looking forward to seeing what 2020 has in store for the Lion!
@SEAL CYCLE I think you are probably right. In all likelihood you will probably overhaul his entire nutrition plan, change the bike frame size two weeks before Kona. I really hate watching this guy self implode every year.
In all this comparison work..... where do you put, if so, the racing Stress factor, which is hardly to be simulated I guess...
Needs to relax his mind. Loyal Fan
Go boy 👦 behind all the way , really hope it your year
I think the main take away from this is remembering to drink fluids and also take in some calories during the race. It could improve performance...
100%
Benji's Boxing Channel it’s endurance racing 101.
Salt concentration is insanely variable depending on the athlete. Anywhere from 200mg to 3+g per liter of sweat. Sweat rate isn't nearly as variable but training in the heat will lower the salt concentration in your sweat.
Great video! How would you suggest training your hydration if you are going to do your first 70.3 but most training happens indoors - Especially with the difference between sweat rates inside and outside?
Guys, I hope you are one step closer. Yes you need all that data. But do it right. Find the way to pace bike ride in that way, that you can release enough energy at marathon PLANED TIME. You need 6000 joule per kg for each mile of running. You can oksidize this amount in 2:40 minutes or in 4h. Depends on Lionel training from now to October and proper race pacing @bike, Lionel will run fast or walk again outhere. I will not write down my guess.
have you ever consider to do the Honu 70.3?
Sweat rate and sodium loss can change by 50% depending on heat training. So you may loose much or today than you would if you heat trained appropriately.
I heard Lionel mention he wants to start training his gut sooner rather than later, but I'm curious if one can start training their gut to soon before an A race? I was coached by a Kropelnicki coach in 2017 and was informed that you don't want to start training the gut to handle that much Gatorade too soon for fear of the body adapting and making that the new normal. Thoughts anyone?
I think that makes sense. You want your body to know that it's getting a special "hit", that it normally doesn't have. While if you are "always topped up" your body won't use it as it should. That's my take on in.
Is Gatorade any good? I use Hammer products.
Too crazy of an idea to have done the run in a jacket to replicate the heat of October? Potential page out of Meb's book when he was prepping for his Olympic marathon medal in brutal heat.
I'm changing my UA-cam name to LionelLover69! I'm your biggest fan boooooiiiii!
😅
Go on then
Love you bro I love this video too!
Luv watching this guy - but got a MIND of his own 😳😳😳
Must be a Coaches nightmare but saying that if I was a Coach he would be exactly the guy I would like to take on - rollercoaster but Never boring
Go Win KONA PZE 😎😎😎🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
Just some thoughts. I noticed you said you were a little dehydrated before the swim. Would it not be a more accurate measurement of data if you were to do the swim just like Kona? Like, a rest day before with plenty of food and fluids in you? It would seem if you went into the swim a little dehydrated that the rate at which you’re losing fluids during the swim would be greater than if you were fully rested and carb/fluid upped. I bet you wouldn’t lose a full kilo and I bet some of those rest day carbs would help retain fluid during the swim. Just some thoughts😉
How do you measure your performance drop off just do to the mental hurdle you will have hitting the Queen K.
4:00 what is that on the side of the swim goggle?
Like a small LED Screen used to project swim split times into the glass of the goggles
@8:42
150W is my ironman bike pace T.T
Did his limp get worse again or was it just a bad angle?
17 pounds lost over the race. Holy
That's probably quite normal for ironman I think. I did 2 bottles an hour and lost similar 😝 (though I'm not as lean as Lionel and arguably have a bit more *spare*)
Do a practice race in tropical conditions, Dubai, North Australia or east Asia like the Philippines or Thailand. Maybe
Will training in more difficult weather conditions makes u even better prepared for kona?
And when is lionel announcing his 2020 race schedule?
Seriously. He still needs to QUALIFY for Kona first.
Hey Talbot, thanks for the video but the audio was so bad during the interview... Really should've used a portable microphone in my opinion. Just food for tought for the next time
Guillaume Rompré they were already talking I just set up two cameras with a over head mic. I did not even plan to add this I was just giving you guys the pleasure of listening in. 🤷🏼♂️
Lionel will be the first in the history of Whoop who achieve 21 Strain😄
Bastian Schmid I mentioned that to him in Indian Wells. I actually suggested he get one and he was already in the process of getting hooked up with one. 😂😂
How does he like those form goggles?
Still the Champ
I spy a Whoop!
Christopher Keene yep.
I talked to him about this in Indian Wells. Really great conversation.
2:43 I know that you're one of the world's bests, but your running style doesn't look fast haha. What was your pace in this scene?
That's the enigma of Lionel's running style, it's deceptively fast. Look at his Daytona Challenge video, he averaged ~3:15 per km for 10.78 km (~5.13 per mile for 6.7 miles)
@@Mike.A. Fast enough ie blistering short course but isn't efficient enough to challenge for the Kona podium. Latic, sweat production and other metrics are markers etc. Reduce bike, up gym work for movement efficiency. Tilbury's got it. PS: And that's what I am doing :)
Do you still have problems with you hip? I looks like if you are still a bit limping.
to my champion friend lionel sanders this is tony from the bigisland believe in your self say i want to win this race than start doing things that makes you faster,STRONGER if i can only teach you some things i be happy HOW YOU TRAIN EACH DAY HOW MANY HOURS ARE YOU TRAINING i was watching a video on a day and life of jan frodeno he starts at 530 am and finish training at 8pm if you want to finish the whole race in 7 hours and 30 mins than train each day 7 hours and 30 mins than your body will j get use to that 7 hour 30 mins think improve your speed now im testing organic foods all organic gives the power the zoom test what works for you always rest well after each training session as soon as you finish have a small organic meal i drink my powder gatorade mix drink right away and some water i drink only fresh purified water that i buy from the water machine for $1.25 for 5 gallons i never drink tap water from the sink put it all togetter and win this race dont forget to believe in jesus./ father pio/,blessed mother/god/and joesph i pray before and after of each training session i see dave scott and mark allen at the finish line all the time real champions you can do this lionel i know you can give it ALL YOU CAN sign tony on the bigisland
Yeah training at home in the heat isn't the same.... But neither is what you have done 🤷♂️✌️ totally overthinking it
train smart not hard 👍
150 watts is hard for me...
How many Bane jokes have you heard since this video?
maybe time for pro cycling ahah
This man says so much yet so little.
Forget about 2017... This is 2020. Circumstances are different. Be smarter than everybody else.
I think we all know why he chose to wear a mostly dark suit rather than his typical white and green, haha.
Steven yeah because gatorade wanted him in a basic suite so we could film and shoot promotional material. 🤷🏼♂️ lol don’t over think it.
Talbot Cox Then I guess why we know Gatorade chose dark colors for him lol 😂. Jokes aside, love the content BTW!
wow
I just noticed you sound exactly like Johnny Knoxville.
lionel it takes years to learn how to win the ironman triathlon learn things from the people who are winning watch the things jan fredeno doing hes winning you see how fast he is how you train is very important be a better scientist on how our body works how we get tired how to perfint tiredness by watch the people who won now and before you can learn many things to me you have to be a scientist to learn how to win i seen all your videos lionel sign tony cares
When this guy gets nutrition rigth the rest can say bye bye 👋😎
Lipsink Talbot 😡