There's a chance this comment might come off as too confrontational but hope you can take it constructively. I think tier lists are inherently flawed as a format so there's no point in taking an issue with how you place the characters but there's a lot to say in terms of relative placement and the reasoning provided. Quite a few units are either overlooked or outright misrepresented, which is quite a shame when you're putting out a tierlist for a pretty ignored rarity that not many are that familiar with. There's more to point out than this but some of it would border on nitpicking due to the nature of tier lists so here's some of the actual sticking points: - The choice to put Indra in A comes across as very biased when compared to the placement of almost everything else. She's a solid enough unit but her skill costing a whole 50 SP is quite the drawback. Outside of it you're left with a 1-block unit that barely does any damage. Compared to a lot of the guards you barely paid a thought to it's hard to understand why you rank her so highly. - Mayer. Even leaving arguing about the usefulness of summoners in general play aside, your video has factually wrong information about Mayer while also highlighting her least used (and least useful) skill. Enemy aspd down is Mayer's talent and is applied to enemies blocked by the robots regardless of which skill you are using, and s1 does not make it also apply to enemies on the adjacent tiles as you say, it simply gives the physical and arts dodge to allies on the adjacent tiles. Her most useful skill is s2 with quite good dmg when overlapping explosions and on-demand stun. It's Mayer's bread and butter and what one would use her with in low-op, but it brings very wanted utility in less restricted scenarios such as high difficulty 5* only IS3. - The way I see it you seem to see Specter's value and are mostly playing devil's advocate on how much you consider her ability to stay alive unconditional for 15s to be useful, so not gonna harp on that much. However, I would I like to know what other landholding options 5* has that boast the level of survivability (the regen talent is so good you can often forego a medic entirely on a low pressure lane or even sporadic high pressure through healing back with regen after skill usage), damage, and ability to hold a crowded lane on their own that Specter has. Only one is La Pluma, who is indeed one of the best 5*s and more generally applicable than Specter, but she struggles with enemy defense more than Specter does (full stack - so with the mod3 atk buff - La Pluma has 1344 dph on s2 against Specter's 2551) while also not being healable, neither of which are often an issue but both of which do set apart which one you'd like to have around. - Heidi in A and Sora in C while you only mention Sora's s1 and leave s2 completely overlooked. Heidi s1 gives a 419.76 flat atk buff for 10 seconds plus a 6% atk buff for units in range. Sora s2 gives a 385 flat atk buff for 30 seconds. That's a 34.75 difference on the flat buff in Heidi's favor but the key here is the cycle. 10 seconds is a bit of an iffy duration when it comes to how it matches with skill cycles, but it's quite passable in the context of 6*s or a general roster. Exusiai still gets 2/3rds of her skill time buffed and the overall cycle is matched much better by Heidi than Sora considering charge time as well. However, from a 5* only perspective Sora's cycle is a much better match. Kroos alter, Tequila, the best 5* dps options which you value highly yourself and benefit a lot from flat buffs, get a lot more from Sora than for Heidi. For instance, Kroos alter's total skill damage with Sora goes from 119k to 195k, while using Heidi in the second half of Kroos' skill for maximum effect only takes it from 119k to 163k. This gap is even more pronounced in Tequila since he doesn't have a backloaded skill where you can pick the best time to use Heidi's buff. In his case it's a 62k to 83k with Sora vs a 62k to 69k with Heidi. If you want to bring up dph and going through defense, 3314.30 vs 3442.82 dph is only gonna matter for an extremely narrow range of enemy defense and even in those won't make up for the difference of having the buff for 30s vs 10s. Heidi's best buff targets in 5* are things like Ashlock, Tachanka, and Mayer s2. Fun and solid options to buff with her, but inferior ones to those top two big hitters and ones you rated mediocrely. Don't get me wrong, Heidi is solid and Heidi + Mayer s2 is an absolute menace in chapter 10 with the chapter talent, but Sora is by far the better buffer option for 5* only yet you dismissed her completely. - Seeing Quercus given as much attention as Paprika or Ceylon is quite offputting. Only her s2 is mentioned, and in the comments you always seem to end up falling back on the argument of her s2 being no more than a serviceable battery and her "not always healing", but her main usage is her s1 and yes, she is a better healer than the medics. Ptilopsis' sp utility and burst AoE healing are unmatched, and Silence is a great ST healer so I take no issue with how highly you rank them, but as long as you can afford to take the 40 seconds to charge her up Quercus offers 431 hps + (conditional) 18% shelter for the rest of the entire stage. People comparing her to Lumen are spot on as Lumen's s3 offers 437 hps, and no shelter. Quercus' lower atk interval compared to medics also allows her to more reliably keep units above shelter threshold and to keep up with pressure on more than one target in spite of being ST. - Saying Firewatch is useless most of the time is baffling. She has very solid on-skill damage with a broken skill cycle (70-76% uptime on a 50 second duration skill is insane), the invisibility cheeses so many stage mechanics/bosses and her total dmg is quite high by 5* standards (64k to ranged) allowing her to actually deal a huge chunk to or even outright shave the whole bar of bosses while staying safe. Ranged/non-attacking enemies are nearly everywhere, and saying she can't kill anything else is completely untrue, she still has a 2.2k dph on melee enemies (compared to 3.4k on ranged). When you look at how many actually challenging stages she's great at you have quite an extensive list. Just a few but: JT8-2, JT8-3, DV-EX-8, LE-EX-8, GA-EX-8, WD-EX-8, IW-EX-8, WR-EX-8, MB-EX-8. These are specifically stages where she's the or one of the optimal or easiest options, there's plenty more where she's a good option nonetheless. You underestimate both her damage and her utility tremendously. Her s2 is also solid and an optimal solution at times where high dph AoE is wanted, but is overall much more niche. - Mr.Nothing is one of the most unique and versatile 5*s. The merchant base statline is good giving him quite decent damage in red mode, both his stun talent and his ability to lower enemy aspd is the base of some stall strats that are based on changing enemy attack cycles or simply reducing enemy dps, he is a frd that can have block 2, and with the help of a medic he can 1v1 certain threats that not many 5* can boast of managing. Yes, he's not easy to use properly and he's rather niche, but calling him trash is outright wrong. - Honeyberry's main skill is s1 and she's better at consistent elemental healing than Mulberry and has a better s1. Mulberry provides better actual hps and has an arguably better s2. Funnily enough Honeyberry ends up being more applicable not only for casual afk usage but also for low op 5* only. They have different usecases and I wouldn't call Mulberry worse but I definitely wouldn't call her better either considering Honeyberry ends up getting more use. - Overall very inconsistent attention paid to dph. You use it to justify the placement of things like Akafuyu while placing lower dph physical units further up in the list and ignoring some useful high dph units like Firewatch over their reportedly poor damage. Dph should be considered along with the unit's expected role and reason to be in the squad. - You claim at the very start of the list that this is a tier list "from a 5* only player perspective", yet both in the tier list itself and in the comments you often compare their damage to 6*s and attempt to justify their rankings with that in mind. From a 5* only perspective 6*s should be irrelevant in the considerations. - Qanipalaat is a fox. If you bring up concrete comparison points and numbers / use case examples I'm willing to discuss further, but anything along the lines of "in my experience their dmg is mid" I just won't bother. Was already quite stupid of me to waste time typing this after all.
Im sorry, but this is way too much to read. I will only say that Indra is a good elite 1v1 at the cost of 8 dp, she can be basically mountain in early game, and her skill sp cost isnt that bad really. Too much to read.
Great speech, I agree with you You could even do a tier list yourself, but I guess you also would think that is too much time consuming.. But you would do better than the guy in the video Have a good day
I feel so bad for Red. Shes been power creeped by multiple operators over the years and it doesnt feel like shes super good gameplay wise anymore. I could probably even list the operators that have the same gimmicks or directly powercreeped her. For skill 1, anyone with a dodge fits, as well as yato alter and texas alter skill 1 and two because of the single target assassination. Skill 2 is powercreeped by texas alter skill 3. Literally red skill 2, but now it has more range, does damage over time, hits aerial enemies, does arts damage, and can technically activate twice. As for reds talent, this is powercreeped by anyone who ignores defense like franka and true damage ops, or freaking aciddrop, who has the exact same talent, but now its a 4* sniper. Red was powercreeped by an operator who is a lower rarity than her. Thats just plain sad.
Yeah it is unfortunate, I remember she was pretty good in the past, as stun was actually useful, and the enemies werent as cracked (she actually did damage), her stun was quite clutch, as it actually stunned the enemies and just overall she was very good. But as of right now, whenever I bring her in my 5* only squad, she doesnt do more than poor damage support and some dodge in order to buy some time, it also feels so stupid when she drops to 1 hp before her skill activates. (vl 80 m6 btw)
@@The158Outlaws Same, my red is also maxed out, but she definitely gets butchered by the late game. On the other hand, if hypergryph decided to give her an alter for the next siracusano event...
@larsthememelord3383 You can use other executioners and even agents for that. Because what's more broken than a fast redeploy operator that breaks the game or generates dp and hitting aerial enemies?
Specter should go to S cuz like at M3 her s2 can be used as a hellidrop immortal tank for a few sec for a boss then just drop texalter or any boss killer to safely kill the boss. Not to mention, AH squad buff really kicks in and can turn her from just a laneholder to immortal shark
Remember, abyssal hunters < meta squad with the same squad size, and Specter is strong, I agree, yet she doesnt bring any utility except for stalling, and there are many more better day to day options. Just because specter can push through in a specific scenario while others cant doesnt mean she is better than others. Most of the time she is just a good lane holder
Specter, Warfarin, Manticore and Leizi _definitely_ belong 1 tier higher in my opinion. Maybe some others as well. Specter's survivability allows her to cheese some enemies/maps. Even more so if you go for an Abyssal Hunter team. Sure, Warfarin's buff isn't always a 90% DPS increase. But as it's sometimes less than 90% it also is sometimes more than 90% as well. There's a reason you often see the Exia + Warfarin combo. Depending on the enemy's defense it can boost the DPS by up to ~800%. So if you're using the edgecase-excuse, do keep in mind it goes both ways. Don't underestimate the permanent 60% (or is it 70%?) slow Manticore provides to all enemies in her range. If used correctly, this is effectively doubles the DPS for all other units who share their range with Manticore's. Leizi's DPS is pretty broken. Her S2 does over 4400 arts DPS overall, which is even more than some 6-stars. And thanks to her module the uptime is now decent too. (For comparison, Goldenglows's S3 does around 4700 arts DPS (with 15 RES ignore), though that one's hard to quantify because of the random explosions.)
Warfarin buff is significantly better on ops with low atk stat yes, yet it is significantly worse on operators with low atk stat. And as I know, it is usually better to just bring one unit that does high damage anyway even without a buffer. Manticore slows by 50% for 5 seconds and that can be useful, yet is very mid and pointless in the regular game. You dont always need to stall the enemy, and sometimes it is better to just get rid of it. Leizi is insane I agree, but her range is way too small for me to put her into S tier.
Indra and Broca should switch tiers. Broca has 3 block count and has longer range on his S2, and his arts damage is very high he's basically a 5 star Surtr. Meanwhile, Indra only has 1 block and her long cooldown on S2 makes her hard to use.
Honestly, you are right! Broca is indeed A tier, although I still think Indra is very strong. Everytime I use her, she works. Her damage is very good, it is somewhat based on her 33% dodge, but as she is intended for 1v1ning enemies, that isnt too bad, she is extremely cheap to deploy, and I usually dont find myself retreating her, her burst is very good after all. A very solid boss 1v1 too, she doesnt die faced against most bosses as her damage, therefore healing is quite good. She does feel niche, yet she has managed to work for me too many times.
Yeah. I enjoy playing with the brawlers, but I'll generally use a four star one (Jackie, to be specific) before I use Indra. Though I will say that is probably in part due to the pain of getting Indra potentials. For some reason, they don't have her as an option to pick from the "pick a five star to gain a potential" things, despite her being an old, old character. And she's hard to get from recruitment, because she has tags commonly found on guards.
Overall good tierlist! Here's my take: Absinthe A tier. free unit and you get an instant max pot ticket through missions thus solid dp cost, unlimited duration atk buff and additional buff against enemies under 50% hp. Module with RES ignore. Platinum A tier strongest 5 star sniper. Simply because of perma buff and extra range. Andreana B tier, high damage but slow aspd and single target, mid talent buff considering most abyssal hunters aren't that easy to obtain. She can't attack enemies below a threshold and wastes her insane atk buff on low threat enemies. High dp cost, it's more worth to deploy a caster instead. Elysium S tier. He's a top3 dp booster in the game and already at e1 his talent reduces all sniper units dp cost by -1 and grants 10 global aspd. He has a skill with slow, reveal and def reduction which further buffs snipers. April A tier. Has the fully-charged platinum damage but instantly on-deploy and with increased aspd. Only thing that keeps her from S is like most 5* snipers has no option to ouplay high def bosses. However she's meant to be used like a classic deploy-retreat specialist that's only on the map when you need her. Invis/Untargetable is an amazing buff on a sniper, allows to quickly solokill enemies that could be a threat later on (casters, high damage drones, unblockable or AoE enemies), while other snipers would require a healer or someone baiting enemy attacks which makes April exceptionally dp efficient. Specter is an S tier endgame unit and the strongest melee 5 star. She is like a reaper with 3 block that heals herself without attacking and can still be healed by other operators. She has high hp and atk, gains further hp through her talent. Can tank multiple leader attacks as a guard while still dealing ridiculous damage.
Absinthe is very good, but the 50% hp condition is quite limiting at times. Platinum does mid damage. Andreana is pretty useful ngl, but I could see you valuing her lower. Elysium is lower because he cannot lanehold. He is better in some occasions than Texas, but texas is better in most scenarios. April damage is underwhelming, whenever I use her I see that she is doing no damage against mid defense. Specter is not as broken, if you actually use her more, you will realise that yes she can be absolutely the best sometimes, but most of the time lack of utility and range is making her very very mid. So I picked the middleground and put her in A tier.
@@The158Outlawslol then would that make the flagbearer vanguards just bad in general due to their inability to lanehold? It's not like their main role is to just print dp and nothing more. I'm not trying to be mean btw this way, just this argument is flawed since it's not what their designed to do. It's like saying dp on kill vanguards are bad cause they can't lanehold better than pioneer cause two block.
Casually looks over the 1500 records that Mayer has on Arkrec. Summoners are not useless at all and are in fact the most flexible units in low op 5* only and welfare clears. They can be quite technical but are extremely versatile, and it's sad that mayer s2 was not even mentioned because that is her genuinely useful skill that literally allows her to be a fast redeploy that does dmg and comes with cc all in one since meeboos get refunded after explosions. I recommend watching some of Dusk's clears here in yt to enlighten you on truly how broken summoners are in this game due to their full map coverage capabilities. Also (totally no bias coming from an aZLing player whose channel is dedicated to Firewatch clears), Firewatch should definitely at least be a higher tier. Her dmg is not nearly as bad as you claim (its over 2.2k with s1 active, and most bosses nowadays which are what she is usually used for... are ranged, so with talent active, she does over 3k per shot which is insane.) and invis is so broken in this game they only gave it to manticore and magallan drones (and more recently ines). In fact, its the longest invis in the game and allows you to literally ignore most game mechanics completely. This allows her to solo Emperor's Blade by herself. How many 5 stars can even do something like that? She tanks through Sui boss, does not care about andoain and his global attack, even the freaking gardener boss' global debuff she can ignore. Modern boss design is actually keeping up with Firewatch somehow. Look right now. Cliff is a ranged boss, and under the heat vent with s1, she can do well over 2k per shot and can be right up next to him and she does not care. What I am trying to say is that she is quite often an extreme tech option for her rare invis skill and a rare case where physical dmg is not completely impeded by defense. Positioning is of utmost importance to bring out the full skill duration since dmg comes out slower than your typical nuker but it is crazy consistent and the uptime is insane (20sp and mod makes it shorter when hitting enemies which saved so many runs, no joke). I now just realized I wrote a whole Ted-Talk, I really need to learn to not do this every time and just stop, but its too late now rip...
Okay so lets just get this straight. Outside of a niche, summoners suck. So yeah they get records, in low op niches, but lets be real, outside of that, what can they do? Also firewatch attacks so so slowly, and her damage is mid, if an enemy isnt ranged, she basically cant kill it. Not to mention she has weird targetting and only works on certain maps. Yes, when she works, she is the best 5*. But modt of the time she is kinda mid. I used her in my 5* only CV-EX-8 clear for the left lane recently, but yet again, most of the time she is just useless.
@@The158Outlaws for summoners, we gotta take into account that low op niche is very useful for Integrated Strategies. You only start with 3 ops, and picking mayer at first is great for saving health at first.
Yet again, it is only saving you in the start of the run, and overtime it becomes just as useless. Plus, there are a lot of ways to get a very strong start in all integrated strategies. And lastly, you wont take anyone but deepcolor anyways.
Reverse powercreep on 5's is super weird, there's very few that have a Niche or Performance worth E2, and even less characters again worth E1 max for IS and 95% of those came out with the game. (I have a fair few E2'd for the character art that'll never be used for anything but screensavers)
Congratulations you got clickbaited! Not all 5* are in reverse powercreep, but there sure are some. Most of them are just equal to each other, but some new 5* are better, such as proviso.
@@hankshill71 I am not a bad person for doing so, but clickbait increases engagement by a flat amount, which I certainly need, to have bigger auditory.
In order to maintain 5 stars or below, they must have something that even 6 stars can't. Such as Lappy's silence, Waff for big atk boost, Shamare for debuff. Ptilopsis with her Sp regen, Andreana that sometimes forgotten because she has no red eyes and white long hair like others. Which new class lately can't, powercrept from 6 stars version or lackluster on its own such as Tequila and Coldshot. ESPECIALLY Spuria that even Aak, her 6 stars version rarely see used nowadays.
@@januszpolak254 He's good but my point is he doesn't provide anything special to make you pick him over Mylnar (such as those I mentioned above) unless you just want to use him.
3:36 wait what... i understand the placement but your comment on her s2 is quite questionable, as its dph is like top3 among the 5* while also being capable of helidropping.
Against a crowd her damage is good yes, but single target damage is quite mid ngl. In 5* only I usually bring some other operator instead and her damage isnt really comparable to 6* operators. Again, she is a great unit because of the invulnerability, but I think there are many more options that do better than her in most stages. Not to say she is unusable, but I dont really pick her for my 5* only plays most of the time.
@@outlaws7550 Your numbers may be wrong. Specter at max level s2m3, with no trust or module, can hit 1885 damage per hit against a single target. For comparison, Thorns hits about 1560 per hit. And in terms of physical damage dealers, DPH is a lot more important than attack speed. If you are comparing to 5 stars, even Flamebringer, a dreadnaught guard, has about 1560 damage per hit, single target, when his s2m3 is activated. Specter hits a lot harder than the vast majority of 5 stars.
1800 isnt some crazy damage though. There is tequila that does way more damage than her. Specter doesnt do a whole lot of dps, so when she cant pierce enemy's defense well, she does so so bad damage. Her main strength is the invincibility which is the main reason she is A tier on my list.@@JoeSmith-st9lc
Blue Poison is A tier. She's always been solid, and then they added the "have hit them multiple times to defeat them" enemies, which often come in groups. Silence is A tier as well. You'll probably much always use Warfarin or Whisperain over her, as they're almost always a better choice. Yes, Whisperain. And speaking of Whisperain, definite A tier. Her charged up healing skill, the status effect reduction, the heal over time, the wide area she covers, and her module reducing her target priority... she's great, all around, and one of the better healers in the game. Barring the need to use the ammo and instantly unstun people, I pretty much always use her over her 6 star counterpart. Though now Eyja Alter exists, who basically is a six star Whisperain, though with elemental healing rather than status protection. Honeyberry is superior to Mulberry. Her S1 is basically all the elemental healing you need, and coupled with the elemental HoT from her trait makes her both a better single target and multi-target elemental healer than her fellow five star counterpart. And speaking of elemental healing, it shows up often that Honeyberry should be A tier. If you don't have Eyja alter, raise up Honeyberry and M3 that S1. La Pluma is S tier. She's the Ifrit of guards. On the right maps, she's brutal, absolutely brutal, better than Thorns brutal. That S1 at M3 needing just 2 charges, coupled with her gaining attack speed as she kills things... I'd drop Nearl down to A tier. Problem is, Saria exists, and you'll pretty much always use her over Nearl. And for things like the rogue-like mode, you'll pretty much pick Gummy over her. She's in that usual "five star hell" spot... quite inferior to six star options, but not enough of an edge over the four stars.
Umm, Blue poison is only doing dps, and no utility what so ever, and the damage is good against some enemies, as well as bad against others. She is just mid. Silence is way better of a healer than warfarin and whisperain, whisperain is mid in general, everything you said isnt broken in any way. Honeyberry s1 may be better than Mulberry s1(which I dont know about) But mulberry s2 which both honeyberry and mulberry main skill is better than honeyberry s2. La pluma only does damage that cannot pierce mid tier defense. Good survivability and crowd clearing againdt low defense but she is not going to be broken in any way, solid a tier. And Nearl is very strong, Saria does not replace her. Both of them are pretty much equal in strength most of the time.
Honeyberry is better when there's consistent elemental damage because of s1's consistency (near light, chapter 9, under tides flowers), while Mulberry is better when there's burst elemental damage because of the elemental damage reduction of s2, and high aspd (chapter 11, under tides eggs).
@@The158Outlaws Uhm... Sorry, what is this "sniper utility" you keep mentioning because I fail to see it in class. Exu gives stats to 2 RANDOM operators, so most of the time you buff your flaguards, Meteor has def shred, but there are better options for that (*cough* *cough* Shamare), kinda same for Chalter, Archetto has offensive recovery for snipers (which is 70% of the time is only herself), W has stun in the world where you can only stun trash mobs and some elites, Kralter shoots down hovering enemies, Sesa debuffs Aspeed (ef he EVER hits his grenade, and the debuff itself isn't that noticeable), Rosa can bind, Rosmontis can deploy blockers and May slows. And then there are over half of sniper roster who's main thing is "Eh, I do daemage!" I highly doubt most people pick 1 sniper over another thinking: "Oh, I really need my sniper to slow enemy. Or shred armor". And in terms of damage both Platinum and BP are on same level if not better than Kralter who is plagued by crit rng. Also, I think you underestimate the problem Edamage cause: sure most ops can tank 1k nuke when decently build, but the problem was never nuke itself but the stun or stacking def shred that can potentially lead to oneshots or leaks. Nearl is solid, but not S-tier. This 17% heal amp while sounds nice, is noticeable in really niche scenarios, and in IS people would rather save for Saria, who is definitely better, or pick Gummy/Spot, who can do same but cheaper in terms of hope Iris is Mystic caster, which already puts her in trash can tier for simply existing. Same goes for Coldshot. Elysium is also weird. I get that he is weak against rushing enemies, but so does any other flagguard, it's just not their job to deal with it and in terms of his utility he is in no way worse than Texas, giving discount+buff to a class people tends to bring on any map AND stealth detector+def shred. As for Warfarin... I'd say she is sidegrade to Silence. Because people somehow always talk about her buff, but forget the fact she also buffs HERSELF, which makes her solid burst solotarget healer ON TOP of being SP battery, so both are solid S tier (still better than Shining). Reason for Lappland being A too not really clear. Character with 2 damage types (tho you can't choose when you use one or the other), skill seal (rare but helpful niche) AND part of most versatile Guard archetype. Heidi is nice, but she either buffs your frontline, or trolls it into oblivion. Summoners shouldn't be rated, cuz 80% of "normal" people wouldn't use them to full power anyway.
Okay, I honestly dont know whos really better because I havent used both of them that much, but from my experience and what I heard, Mulberry is a better operator. And just in general, the only stage that really requires Elemental heling is the last (bottom right) SSS stage. It was also useful in chapter 12, but I didnt use it, so it aint "required". And just in general elemental medics (except for eyjaberry) are single target and they have a low atk stat.
@@The158Outlaws I'd say in general, honeyberry is the easier and better operator to use out of the two, because of the fact that there is way way more consistent elemental damage than burst (by this I mean proccing the elemental damage hit before getting a single heal in). honeyberry s1 and s2 do have multi-target, which helps with more consistency, but not to the extent of eyja alter where it's permanent. edit: with mulberry's talent and another medic you can do a mini stall setup on an enemy you want blocked but deals way too much damage for your op to tank lol, the single target hps on mulberry s2 is not to be underestimated
I feel like warfarin not being good for buffing operators with built-in atk buffs isn't a good enough reason to put her in A tier, considering how much she can do for operaters that play well off buffs.
I couldnt disappoint you. Additive buffs are very good, and Heidi overall is pretty solid, has some usecase with both of her skills, her s1 isnt far off from skadi s3 and we havent seen her module yet(on global, I dont watch cn) So she is quite good.
Firewhistle was one of my first 5 star pulls, was going for her 6 star counterpart but didn't have the pulls. Her E2 ability essentially increases her damage applicable range by 1 square in every direction and the spaces infront of her recieve the arts damage strikes. Thats the part I love about her, you can hold off on her E2 and let 3 enemies clump up against her then she point blanks them all. Great for AN3 as she helps cover the neighbouring lane and melts the Defense Crushers no issue
amiya for new player is quite strong boss killer with s3 and good source of true damage, i found quite successful using her beating down bosses and killing enemy in chapter 10 and it's not even mastery yet. the sp cost maybe a bit intimidating at first but due to her talent, she can recharge it pretty fast. overall a viable helidrop true damage option
All that is a yes, but mostly for beginners. Amiyas main advantage over other casters is that you are forced to build her. I wouldnt call her particularly strong though. Her s3 is strong when fighting an isolated elite/boss, when there are multiple trashmobs in her range, she is wasting her potential a lot. Her s2 is pretty bad unless you invest a lot into it. And even then, amiya has no spot in the meta. Amiyas s1 is kinda lame. It is okay, but thats about it. In general, Core caster range is small, which already puts her at a disadvantage. She either had to do a lot of damage(which she doesnt), or she just sucks. This is not to say she is completely unusable. For a 5*, she is very solid, nothing outstanding or useful meta wise though, even the true damage is often times doesnt match your expectations.
@@The158Outlaws yes i wouldn't call her meta but she's strong. Her s3 can be quite janky with the targeting, and she needs quite a bit of setup to use. But she still a viable pick if you lack burst damage or true damage in your team and that's why i would said that she's good for new player is what I'm trying to say
@@The158Outlaws wdym she doesn't provide anything????. Her talent already did great that no 6* have same talent as her and she is very useful in stultifera navis and cc2 now. Which i can say lappland can still viable till now bruh.
Still, her being good in certain events only is quite eh. Not to mention the real mvp of stultifera navis was gnosis. Her silence isnt useful in 95+% of stages
Skyfire is bad, there's no doubt about that. But I still find ways to utilize her and have fun with those niche application. Her talent pairs comically well with Harmonie and Texas alter for one, and her S2's stun is helpful to bring hovering enemies down to the ground. It's hardly enough to bring her up out of D, but she's got some use cases at least.
I feel like you did Platinum dirty, I don't use her because I have Dorthy/Exu, but extended range and 1K+ damage, with a massive first shot, she's one of the strongest AA units in the game. Also Quarqus [with module] has some of the best HPS in the game, while her talent is good at preventing one-shots, keeping units topped off, something she does well with her short attack interval. Not to mention she goes crazy with buffs.
Platinum already does underwhelming damage against mid tier defense(enemies defense is growing) so putting her higher than mid tier is quite questionable. Quercus isnt as strong of a healer as she is kind of a mix, and her sp battery on paper is very good, but doesnt really come in handy in the actual game. So she is also kind of mid.
@@The158OutlawsI think Quercus should be A at least. DragonGJY made a video of Quercus post module. Her healing per second is almost equal to Lumen with module with S3 active. Quercus doesn’t have the issue of the other Abjurers because her healing skill is permanent. And her value is really big in IS for example because she’s the best healer you can get from a supporter tag (skadi alter is more buff oriented) So when compared to how she fares against other 6*, at least she got that niche in IS. ( even without that she remains a solid pure healer)
Platinum issue is, Recent enemies have high DEF and HP. In the past, she can pick off enemies fast at her extended range with her bonus ATK. Nowdays, she still does, but at slower rate (Sometimes enemies still live to deal damage to your lane). I think B is Fair. She still works good, but not as good to move her to A or S. I own E2M3 Platinum with L3 module and she is Waifu, to have enough experience to say this.
Notice how most of used 5* are used because of a certain talent. Its either that or their 6* counterpart is made for a different role Ex: Ptilopsis for fast healing, nightingale for arts resistance. Then theres 5* vs 4*. Only sample i can think of at the moment is myrtle vs ely. You'd basically use myrtle more. But then there's red vs every other 6*. Phantom has a clone, yato can shred with s2 and texas which is basically red beyond steroids. . . . . You could say that 5* are the experimental class. Theres only several 5* that are equal or generally better than its other rarities. My most used one aside from the obvious ones is highmore and it's because she's amazing in is3. Although i do kinda prefer her more than la pluma now, even on general content
As a note for future viewers. The 7-8 cost comes from the module. Which isn’t hard to get… Legit. The 2 missions can be done at the same time. Use sword rain 5 times and hit something with it and beat Code of Brawl level 3 with Texas being your only vanguard. (CB-3 is the second level with command terminals. And CB-3 isn’t hard…)
i think you kinda underrate flints ability to stop blocking and start stalling, its basically pseudo-immortality if they arent being targeted while still keeping the enemy within range for a good bit of the skills duration
Is Kjera really that bad? I used her, Absinthe, Amiya and Click quite a lot when I didn't have any 6* arts dps units and they all kinda seemed to deal similar damage. Amiya was the worst unless using S3, and Kjera seemed to do the most when she got her freeze off because of the RES reduction (and also buying the team more time for killing a boss). From my experience the RNG is not as bad as it looks, and if you have any way to increase her attack speed she scales really well. Disclaimer: I did not do any math or proper testing, this is just my experience.
@@The158Outlaws 20 is very little to be gloating about in the biggest category lmao A LOT of your takes are just hot ass I'm sorry. A few hot ass takes I'll correct: Specter is one the best 5 stars, instant S tier. Firewatch is also insanely good A tier minimum. A lot of the "mid" tier aka the "i dont know what im doing tier" have operators like glaucus and istina together when istina is the best decel binder (also better than proviso). Rock rock being in Mid tier is just hilarious. You don't even ever discuss SP cycling, how else would you think Indra is in A tier if u haven't seen her poor cycling lmao. Mayer in the same tier as Tsukinogi I'm??
Specter with her friend (with all the modules maxed out) is pretty good, i love running gladiia, skadi (both variants, with guard variant having module that increases all abbyssal hunter unit damage by 21% when in the squad) and perfumer. She can regen very very quick, stacking HP regen is very fun thing to do 😂 a very good fodder grinder.
notices cantabile on A tier: my lovely trauma bird owo I have to say from the liberi operator, it fits not so bad Firewhistle is quite a very good operator, as people take her over Ashlock because of her s2
Cantabile is very strong, but she doesnt feel good enough to put her into S tier for some reason. I never heard of "Cantabile solo vanguard gaming" never. She doesnt really do damage and she is block 1. Her range doesnt extend like Ineses range and Firewhistle looks mid on paper, but in game she does very well, clearly better than ashlock.
@@The158Outlaws oh cantabile wasn't a negativ point She is good and worthy, but she is well balanced and fits into her rarity and can be used quite well I probally would rank most of them the same Maybe Astesia to B, but maybe I'm a bit bias about it Need to rewatch the video again to see what your reasons were
be patient, my friend. It is really tough to bare tier lists. You usually just skip over to the units that you like. I didnt have a script ready for this video (cause its 30+ minutes💀)
@@The158Outlawsmy thought on the specific "never heard of solo cantabile vanguard" (ignoring stages where it's easy enough so you just bring whatever) also it could be horribly wrong because I thought about it for like 3 seconds I think it's because what's happening is her specific role of sub-dps fast dp gen is kind of a bad match-up. While her dp gen is fast I feel it's on a weird middle ground of 2 scenarios. If the start off isn't heavy on pressure your best bet would be to use fast dp-focused vanguards like flagbearers (or even Texas IMO) and rush your heavy-duty operators fully set up If the start off pressures enough then you would use more vanguards which are focused on lane-holding like bagpipe, siege, saga or even someone like courier/ponicirus because focusing on fending off the earlier waves is much more important (This is ignoring a situation where you only use cheap carries like mountain and/or have low dp requirements anyway because vanguard discussions are kind of(?) irrelevant there) So for an operator whose kit involves fast dp gen (rushing the start off) and a decent attack stat (lane holding) it kind of delegates her to a position where if you only need 1 vanguard it's probably better to use someone specific to the opener This is why from what I've seen most people use her in the mid game as a quick dp gen setup because her skill has almost no downtime on helidrop (5s(?) On s2 but bagpipe lmao) so you can use her to "cash in" Some quick dp if you're re-positioning your deployed lineup. The only general situation I would imagine her being a best choice for solo vanguards is if you need drone support Personally I think she's just as good as those you listed on the high tiers but specifically for "solo vanguard" Scenarios you would much rather have a good pillar rather than someone with utility Similar with how single 6* strategies use crutch operators who alleviate dps checks because janky mechanics and utility is a second option while definite numbers of damage dealt and received (i.e the most basic pillars of an undefined operator's role) is most often the first thing that crumbles a strategy
I like Meteorite with L3 module, she proc her talent much more reliably, dealing heavy damage frequently. I think she deserves A (With L3 module), when compared how Platinum and Sesa is B. And I do know that often she outperforms those units you put in A. Keep in mind that, high threat foes usually park in a fix spot, and they are usually food for Meteorite (And they also often bundled together). Elysium is at least S, his S2 is insane powerful if one know how to place him in the battlefield. Not to mention his module upgrade is powerful (All flagbearer module is powerful). Keypoint, use him offensively OR strategically, not simply like Myrtle. Andreana should be S, where else could one get an almost undying Deadeye sniper (Using just Spectral and Gladia not the whole Abyss team), you can place her in the heat of battle without healer, and most likely she will be doing great (Even tkaing aggro for tanking). Her S2, need to get used to it, but it is very powerful, just prepare for the restriction. Keep in mind that not many 5* can kill tough foes by themself either when comparing her S2. Shredding 50% HP on the toughest foe is great enough. Or just use her S1. Whisperrain, now days, often we getting foes that inflict stun and damage. Whisperrain can trivialize those enemies (Example Clip Cliff). Her overall heal is also much better than how it initially looks. I think is A. Robin, is hard to say (B or A), her shift bomb does wonders when it counts. The problem is, such stage is rare. I won't rate Windchime high, B. But I usually place her like Blaze does but in reverse (Guarding 2 lane, but the less heavy traffic side), or put her offlane as dmg support (Much like mousse). Her Burst S2 deals lots of damage, even heavies, often clearing foes in one big sweep. I don't really use her for blocking heavy traffic lane. For example, this Jessica alter event, she got lots of uses, since in this event, it is not really beneficial to block foes, and they come in packs. Centalla, many people label her as bad. I think she deserve a B. In actuality, her S2 damage is actually pretty powerful. You don't need to put her facing the edge of the maps (concentrated tiles on S2), all you need is to bring her to promotion E2L50Sk7, not even mastery is needed to know that she deals lots of damage. The cold and freeze is a nice stall bonus, and each icicle drop AOE is pretty good, that it hits more often than people might think. She does great in this Jessica Alter evet (The foes comes in packs, especially when stalled). Tsukinogi used to be good B, now is D I think. I used to pair her with Enmity Guards. Now that Enmity guards gain sanctuary from their module (HG did Tsukinogi dirty), she is practically jobless. I think she can still work with Defender like Mudrock or guard like crusher or windchime, but never tried it.
I already explained why Elysium is A tier. If you manage to make him work, S tier. But A tier it is because he is weak against rushes. Texas is better in terms of laneholding, while also providing utility and damage. Andreana is no where near S tier. She is way too complicated and she often times fails me stages in 5* only. Yeah, if you get a squad so good that then can cover for her weaknesses, she works, but in such a scenario everybody works. Her damage isnt going to make her S tier. How many times have you faced an enemy barely below or above 50% hp that she just cannot do anything about? Robin is just good overall, bind bombs that do solid damage are useful. Not to mention she doesnt take up deployment slots like summoners. I already explained why wind chimes is bad, but Id like to add that most of the time she cant even kill the enemy in a hit of her skill. Just in general, such 1 instance skills are mid. She does similar damage to blaze s3. But both of those skills are bad. Centellas s2 is powerful, although it is rng. It increases range for people just to use it against a wall to reduce rng. Nothing practical either. She deserves her spot in the trash. Tsukinogi is still somewhat useful. She offers 50% sanctuary with s2 and 35% dodge with s1. Her buffs are good, but the sp cost of her skills is overturned.
This tier list hurt me Half of the Ops you put in B and A should be 1 tier higher How are you gonna put Manticore and Savage in the same tier and proceed to put Flamebringer lower than her I’m not even gonna talk about Broca, Ayerscarpe and Elysium the reasons you put them in their respective tiers If this is a tier list for newer players i can maybe understand, but for an advanced list this is hella misleading Almost missed the Mr.Nothing rant, please tell me this is a bait list
Okay I admit that broca is higher already, but none of the rest are. Also Mr.Nothing is just a dp drain, no payoff. He basically has negative impact on a stage, no wonder no one uses him.
@@The158Outlaws the only op in this game that has a negative impact is Conviction, and to a much much lesser extent Aak Mr.Nothing is potentially the best strong enemy stall 5 star outside of Specter, by your logic every merchant is useless solely because they drain dp Elysium is the best debuff unit in 5 star pool, and comes with an added bonus of generating dp, he single handedly sets up every other unit in the game who doesn’t have enough dps otherwise and removes invisibility and buffs snipers, i see no way to put him below Texas Ayers i can understand as there’s way too many better guards, but Ely and Nothing are inexcusable
Excuse me but Aak is one of the strongest buffers in the game, you cant say he has negative impact, it makes no sense! Also Mr Nothing is just the worst Merchant. He offer absolutely nothing. And yes, Merchants in general are kinda mid. Lee is probably the only one useful in some way as he ignores stun. But besides him, to be honest, none of them are even in the A tier. Also Shamare has a stronger debuff than Elysium, and Elysium is quite fragile + only has 1 block. He is just as strong as texas with a certain set up, but if we compare raw performance, Texas is honestly just better in 90% cases. Just because you dont just get dp, you get a solid laneholder that can do solid damage and stun in a good range. She is also faster than Elysium at the start of the round, so all and all she is better. Except for like 5 stages maximum, you dont face problems with dp using texas. But you can face problems using elysium and getting rushed. Also, elysium placement is somewhat reliant on his weakness to rushes, so his utility often times isnt even usable. And you also often times want to retreat him after first skill aftivation in order to refund at least some dp (because he is bad against rushes) and so he gives even less dp than texas overtime that way. I would say Texas is the only dominant 5* vanguard that basically has no flaws.
@@The158OutlawsHow can you say that Mr.Nothing is the worst merchant when his greatest niche is the ability to do insanely stupid stall strats? He was able to do illegal stall strats with Kafka in CC, permastalling Last Knight in IS#3 all by his lonesome, and Pengod has showcased his talent many times. The drain DP isn't even that bad if you have his module equipped.
Okay but, count the amount of stages he actually does something useful. And there always is an operator that can replace him + on top of that not have the flaw of draining dp.
Elysium is definitely not A 😂 he is definitely S there are so many factors that needs to be taken into consideration: 1. You don't need vanguards for most of the stages, but usually in the hardest ones. 1.1 You only needs vanguards to confort pick which is subjective, when you ara going to deploy a lot of operatos which is rarely necessary, or when the natural DP generation if there is no initial rush Elysium is definitely better, if there is a rush just also bring a charger, an agent or even better a low dp cost operator (thogh you will probably need a 6star), Texas is indeed superior in this case when the deployment limit is reduced or the stage really force you to bring a 2-block vanguard wich rarely happen. 2. The meta. 2.1 Myrtle is one of the most used operators in the game. Mind to remain you the definition of meta short for metagame: "In competitive games, the metagame is the most popular strategy" (Wikipedia). So yeah Myrtle is meta but the definition show us that the meta doesn't necessarily mean the strongest. Elysium is definitely better than Myrtle, so Elysium is an upgrade to the meta. 3. Utility. I don't think is there's something wrong bringing an operator just to open the map or produce dp. But is definitely better if you can bring more value with them. In my opinion Elysium S2 is underrated which has a very good utility. As for the other skills an passives there are no clear winner both have pros and cons.
1.I completely agree with the first point. 2.META is "Most Effective Tactics Available"? I agree with the stands that elysium > myrtle 3. And I agree, that elysium utility is huge, yet Texas is more defensive and offers more as an entry vanguard. She definitely isnt the best dp gen vanguard or anything, but is one of the strongest solo vanguards and while I do agree elysium utility is very very good, Texas isnt far far off, her arts damage with s2 is good, and she stuns the enemy which clutched a lot of stages and is runs for me. Heres something for sure though - they are pretty much on the same level, yet texas simply offers more against rushes, her defensive stats and good early dp gen are very powerful for such scenarios. I used her in cc12 risk 29 as my solo vanguard. (both of them are equally affected by bagpipe, so whether you use them with bagpipe or not, it doesnt really change anything.)
@@Murmur_3565Considering the module with max potential puts their cost at FUCKING 7 FOR FIRST DEPLOYMENT! WHICH IS CHEAPER THEN JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER VANGUARD EXCLUDING YATO! AND YOU’RE GETTING STATS THAT ARE SOLID! (Not to mention module boosts ability damage.)
I feel like her current module is already very good, it helps her a lot with the sp problem as the only person that can charge amiya's skill is amiya herself. 120 sp cost is huge
I just dont find her strong, like, have you ever went into a stage and went: I need an abjurer for this. She doesnt always heal, which is often times a problem, her sp recovery is good, but only when it actually works. In a certain scenario, yes, Quercus is insane, but most of the time, mid
corrooserum! he is very useful when there are multiple lanes he can cover (you place him perpendicular to the lanes) he's clutch saved me in those situations many times 😅 he also has silense on his s2 which has its uses!
I maxed my Nearl (s1m3 + lvl 80 + max module) thinking I'd never get Saria only to pull Saria a couple days later. It was still worth it LOL took a month to get Saria to an acceptable level (during trial of navigator with Manfred as one of the bosses, my Nearl survived the cannons easily while tanking as well, meanwhile a friends s1m3 lvl 60 no module Saria kept dying there)
Not anytime soon. It is hard to stay entertaining while making a tierlist, so I kind of retired from making them for a bit. Will do that later probably...
This tier list must include limitations. Namely, is this only for 5* only team. Or in all stars roster. --5* only or all stars roster The 5* in all stars tier list is like you're making a full tier list, but deleting all of them which aren't 5*. The easiest comparison, if you say this is 5* only. Cantabile would be S. All roster, she would be eclipsed by Ines, A in the video is agreeable. More complex example, 5* only, Texas and Elysium in the video is agreeable. But for all roster, i'd say Elysium is S. Texas eclipsed by Flametail or Saileach. Not apple to apple comparison, but i'd put them better than Texas. Elysium does cloack revealing, slow, def reduction, also buffing all Snipers +28% aspd. Also could generate DP/s a bit faster than Myrtle. In case you don't know how big is +28 aspd bonus. Aak S3 gives +50 aspd. And it still can be stacked with Elysium. Not to mention Aak only targets single operator, and much likely you need additional support to utilize his skill. If you bring let's say Typhon, and Pozy into the team, Ely will buff both of them (global buff) while providing defense reduction debuff, in the absence of the attack buff Aak provides. Tsukinogi at C alone is multidimensionally wrong. She should be D. But what can i say to someone who vehemently saying Quercus at B? I could give it a pass Quercus at B, if this is in an all stars roster tier list consideration. I has already M6 fully build Quercus, honestly S2 was a mistake, i only use her for S1. The only person who can keep my Hoshiguma alive during CC back then was Quercus. It isn't like i don't have healers. Her shelter was very useful. While Shining could also gives the same level of protection, only do that while her skill active. Quercus S1 + Hoshi combi was completely AFK. Not to mention she's cheaper to deploy and super tanky as a high ground unit. But then again, i could agree she is on B if this is all stars tier list. I'd rather pick Eyja alter for everyday. --Base skill consideration ? Proviso at A is questionable even if this is 5* only team. Unless...you raise her only for the base skill. Even the game press put her into not worth to build category. Also Bison you put at A. Only useful for the base skill. I'd pick Gummy, or Jessica Alter, Horn even; Over any defender you say she/he just a normal defender. Now i'm wondering if the tier list also consider the base skill as measurement. If that's true tho, Bison is equal to Croissant and Asbestos on that regard. If you don't really understand what the operator actually does, or you never build them, it is safer to exclude them from the tier list. Since honestly your assesment over Texas for example, was spot on. So maybe it was the case. So you won't be bombarded by comment corrections as much. As this is non #educational, as claimed on the video tag. Maybe you actually understand them and build them, but there're just too many for you to handle right in the middle of the video. Like the video is 37 minutes long even with over simplification for some operators. If it is the case, record them bit by bit, then collate together. I don't mind much longer video.
I did the tier list format wrong indeed. Ideally, I should have split the video in parts, and give more attention to each 5*. But then, people usually watch tierlists to see the big picture. A thing I can clarify from my tierlist is that its based around competing with 6* too. Its no secret that Texas and Ptilopsis directly compete with 6* counterparts.
Cantabile and Elysium are really good but you get Texas for free, and she is way more powerful in my opinion. Even in high end cc clears where dp is a big problem and flagpipe is essential, texas is being used. One thing Texas has over Cantabile and Elysium is the fact that she feels way better in the general content, and she is one of the strongest solo vanguards. Elysium may be problematic as he loses his block, Cantabile is not as problematic, but she most of the time will not be able to print as many dp as texas does. Not to mention the overall Utility and even damage Texas provides. Tsukinogi is bad, but she is not terrible as some of the other units. Her skills, despite the cringe masteries, despite the talent's conditions are nice. Her s1 gives 35% dodge, which isnt all that bad, invis reveal, and a whatever hps. Her second skill gives 50% sanctuary to units that are below 60% hp. It on paper is not that bad. The only problem is... a 15 sp skill costs 50 sp.... Though, throughout my experience using her, she is bad, but not awful. Tomimi is a better candidate for such title.
Also, I do not show any love to Texas, I just rate her as is. She is simply a very strong operator. Think about how many people use her as their solo vanguard even today.
@@The158Outlaws Proviso as DPS is even a wilder assessment, she's stun utility. Nah Bison isn't Hoshi. He is 0% Hoshi. He would die at the CC map I've mentioned. Where every single digit of DEF counts. Even Nian cannot replace Hoshi back then. If you love some operators, and you say you're biased, it is okay tho. I never mentioned if you love Texas or anything. Myself is a Texas lover. But as i said, shes eclipsed by either Saileach s3 or Flametail in general. If this is all stars tier list. Texas just severely lacks survivability into her kit. She just doing normal attacks on cooldown, Flametail could swipe all enemies when she dodges. Saileach having a lot more DEF into her stat compared to Texas, while still providing that Instant DP generation. Cantabile, i wonder if you use her for her s2 only. I M6 her already, but i can say s1 is more useful. In no way Texas is better than Cantabile. She doesn't have the same DPS, and the fast redeploy flexibility. When she arrives, she was a meta defining operator. Many channels discussed that already.
Essentially bison can get 2k+ defense without any defense buffers, which is a lot. Bison is essentially a budget hoshiguma. Croissant on the other hand is not as good in comparison, she doesnt get near as many defense and her shift is very very very very niche. Which is why when you ask me who should you build apart of those 2 I will tell you bison
@@The158Outlaws hmm I guess other tier list makers rate the twisted bun’s shift higher than you. Luckily, I have Hoshi and Mudrock (plus Liskarm and Cuora), so I don’t need to build either of the 2. But Croissant’s skin with a bike is so cool, I’d rate her higher just bc of it xD
@@The158OutlawsSeriously. Texas’s module REALLY helps with the idea of Texas being used as an opener. Making Texas 4 deployment points cheaper and extra ability damage? That’s worthwhile in my opinion. (For context. That turns an 11-12 cost operator to a 7-8 cost. Depending on potential. WHICH IS MASSIVE!)
Insider's damage isnt big enough to make him good against enemies with higher defense, while kroos does better against low defense enemies (typically high max hp trashmobs like chapter 11 eaters or dogs) and Kroos alter is better paired with buffs. So I stand behind my point of Kroos being a higher tier unit.
@@The158Outlaws His skill is literally a +130% damage buff as a marksman lol he does great damage for what he offers and him targeting ranged enemies is way more useful than niggas think, Kroos has stuns sure but they should both be the same tier as they’re essentially the same unit just different a different niche
Throughout my experience with him (I had a friend with a maxed Insider on my hands) I found him quite underwhelming in terms of damage ngl. And kroos has proven to be solid, she also has some utility going for her
@@The158Outlaws YT deleted my response so idc about allat but do note he is like the only marksman in the game that has as big of an ATK buff as he does so if his damage is underwhelming there’s no way you can say Kroos isn’t 🤷♂️
There's a chance this comment might come off as too confrontational but hope you can take it constructively.
I think tier lists are inherently flawed as a format so there's no point in taking an issue with how you place the characters but there's a lot to say in terms of relative placement and the reasoning provided. Quite a few units are either overlooked or outright misrepresented, which is quite a shame when you're putting out a tierlist for a pretty ignored rarity that not many are that familiar with. There's more to point out than this but some of it would border on nitpicking due to the nature of tier lists so here's some of the actual sticking points:
- The choice to put Indra in A comes across as very biased when compared to the placement of almost everything else. She's a solid enough unit but her skill costing a whole 50 SP is quite the drawback. Outside of it you're left with a 1-block unit that barely does any damage. Compared to a lot of the guards you barely paid a thought to it's hard to understand why you rank her so highly.
- Mayer. Even leaving arguing about the usefulness of summoners in general play aside, your video has factually wrong information about Mayer while also highlighting her least used (and least useful) skill. Enemy aspd down is Mayer's talent and is applied to enemies blocked by the robots regardless of which skill you are using, and s1 does not make it also apply to enemies on the adjacent tiles as you say, it simply gives the physical and arts dodge to allies on the adjacent tiles. Her most useful skill is s2 with quite good dmg when overlapping explosions and on-demand stun. It's Mayer's bread and butter and what one would use her with in low-op, but it brings very wanted utility in less restricted scenarios such as high difficulty 5* only IS3.
- The way I see it you seem to see Specter's value and are mostly playing devil's advocate on how much you consider her ability to stay alive unconditional for 15s to be useful, so not gonna harp on that much. However, I would I like to know what other landholding options 5* has that boast the level of survivability (the regen talent is so good you can often forego a medic entirely on a low pressure lane or even sporadic high pressure through healing back with regen after skill usage), damage, and ability to hold a crowded lane on their own that Specter has. Only one is La Pluma, who is indeed one of the best 5*s and more generally applicable than Specter, but she struggles with enemy defense more than Specter does (full stack - so with the mod3 atk buff - La Pluma has 1344 dph on s2 against Specter's 2551) while also not being healable, neither of which are often an issue but both of which do set apart which one you'd like to have around.
- Heidi in A and Sora in C while you only mention Sora's s1 and leave s2 completely overlooked. Heidi s1 gives a 419.76 flat atk buff for 10 seconds plus a 6% atk buff for units in range. Sora s2 gives a 385 flat atk buff for 30 seconds. That's a 34.75 difference on the flat buff in Heidi's favor but the key here is the cycle. 10 seconds is a bit of an iffy duration when it comes to how it matches with skill cycles, but it's quite passable in the context of 6*s or a general roster. Exusiai still gets 2/3rds of her skill time buffed and the overall cycle is matched much better by Heidi than Sora considering charge time as well. However, from a 5* only perspective Sora's cycle is a much better match. Kroos alter, Tequila, the best 5* dps options which you value highly yourself and benefit a lot from flat buffs, get a lot more from Sora than for Heidi. For instance, Kroos alter's total skill damage with Sora goes from 119k to 195k, while using Heidi in the second half of Kroos' skill for maximum effect only takes it from 119k to 163k. This gap is even more pronounced in Tequila since he doesn't have a backloaded skill where you can pick the best time to use Heidi's buff. In his case it's a 62k to 83k with Sora vs a 62k to 69k with Heidi. If you want to bring up dph and going through defense, 3314.30 vs 3442.82 dph is only gonna matter for an extremely narrow range of enemy defense and even in those won't make up for the difference of having the buff for 30s vs 10s. Heidi's best buff targets in 5* are things like Ashlock, Tachanka, and Mayer s2. Fun and solid options to buff with her, but inferior ones to those top two big hitters and ones you rated mediocrely. Don't get me wrong, Heidi is solid and Heidi + Mayer s2 is an absolute menace in chapter 10 with the chapter talent, but Sora is by far the better buffer option for 5* only yet you dismissed her completely.
- Seeing Quercus given as much attention as Paprika or Ceylon is quite offputting. Only her s2 is mentioned, and in the comments you always seem to end up falling back on the argument of her s2 being no more than a serviceable battery and her "not always healing", but her main usage is her s1 and yes, she is a better healer than the medics. Ptilopsis' sp utility and burst AoE healing are unmatched, and Silence is a great ST healer so I take no issue with how highly you rank them, but as long as you can afford to take the 40 seconds to charge her up Quercus offers 431 hps + (conditional) 18% shelter for the rest of the entire stage. People comparing her to Lumen are spot on as Lumen's s3 offers 437 hps, and no shelter. Quercus' lower atk interval compared to medics also allows her to more reliably keep units above shelter threshold and to keep up with pressure on more than one target in spite of being ST.
- Saying Firewatch is useless most of the time is baffling. She has very solid on-skill damage with a broken skill cycle (70-76% uptime on a 50 second duration skill is insane), the invisibility cheeses so many stage mechanics/bosses and her total dmg is quite high by 5* standards (64k to ranged) allowing her to actually deal a huge chunk to or even outright shave the whole bar of bosses while staying safe. Ranged/non-attacking enemies are nearly everywhere, and saying she can't kill anything else is completely untrue, she still has a 2.2k dph on melee enemies (compared to 3.4k on ranged). When you look at how many actually challenging stages she's great at you have quite an extensive list. Just a few but: JT8-2, JT8-3, DV-EX-8, LE-EX-8, GA-EX-8, WD-EX-8, IW-EX-8, WR-EX-8, MB-EX-8. These are specifically stages where she's the or one of the optimal or easiest options, there's plenty more where she's a good option nonetheless. You underestimate both her damage and her utility tremendously. Her s2 is also solid and an optimal solution at times where high dph AoE is wanted, but is overall much more niche.
- Mr.Nothing is one of the most unique and versatile 5*s. The merchant base statline is good giving him quite decent damage in red mode, both his stun talent and his ability to lower enemy aspd is the base of some stall strats that are based on changing enemy attack cycles or simply reducing enemy dps, he is a frd that can have block 2, and with the help of a medic he can 1v1 certain threats that not many 5* can boast of managing. Yes, he's not easy to use properly and he's rather niche, but calling him trash is outright wrong.
- Honeyberry's main skill is s1 and she's better at consistent elemental healing than Mulberry and has a better s1. Mulberry provides better actual hps and has an arguably better s2. Funnily enough Honeyberry ends up being more applicable not only for casual afk usage but also for low op 5* only. They have different usecases and I wouldn't call Mulberry worse but I definitely wouldn't call her better either considering Honeyberry ends up getting more use.
- Overall very inconsistent attention paid to dph. You use it to justify the placement of things like Akafuyu while placing lower dph physical units further up in the list and ignoring some useful high dph units like Firewatch over their reportedly poor damage. Dph should be considered along with the unit's expected role and reason to be in the squad.
- You claim at the very start of the list that this is a tier list "from a 5* only player perspective", yet both in the tier list itself and in the comments you often compare their damage to 6*s and attempt to justify their rankings with that in mind. From a 5* only perspective 6*s should be irrelevant in the considerations.
- Qanipalaat is a fox.
If you bring up concrete comparison points and numbers / use case examples I'm willing to discuss further, but anything along the lines of "in my experience their dmg is mid" I just won't bother. Was already quite stupid of me to waste time typing this after all.
Im sorry, but this is way too much to read. I will only say that Indra is a good elite 1v1 at the cost of 8 dp, she can be basically mountain in early game, and her skill sp cost isnt that bad really. Too much to read.
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Great speech, I agree with you
You could even do a tier list yourself, but I guess you also would think that is too much time consuming..
But you would do better than the guy in the video
Have a good day
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I feel so bad for Red. Shes been power creeped by multiple operators over the years and it doesnt feel like shes super good gameplay wise anymore. I could probably even list the operators that have the same gimmicks or directly powercreeped her. For skill 1, anyone with a dodge fits, as well as yato alter and texas alter skill 1 and two because of the single target assassination. Skill 2 is powercreeped by texas alter skill 3. Literally red skill 2, but now it has more range, does damage over time, hits aerial enemies, does arts damage, and can technically activate twice. As for reds talent, this is powercreeped by anyone who ignores defense like franka and true damage ops, or freaking aciddrop, who has the exact same talent, but now its a 4* sniper. Red was powercreeped by an operator who is a lower rarity than her. Thats just plain sad.
Yeah it is unfortunate, I remember she was pretty good in the past, as stun was actually useful, and the enemies werent as cracked (she actually did damage), her stun was quite clutch, as it actually stunned the enemies and just overall she was very good. But as of right now, whenever I bring her in my 5* only squad, she doesnt do more than poor damage support and some dodge in order to buy some time, it also feels so stupid when she drops to 1 hp before her skill activates. (vl 80 m6 btw)
@@The158Outlaws Same, my red is also maxed out, but she definitely gets butchered by the late game. On the other hand, if hypergryph decided to give her an alter for the next siracusano event...
Hah, lets cope, I got quite hyped by that image for Arknights 4th anniversary with flamebringer and *projekt red*, perhaps Projekt red alter is real?
I currently use red to spread fields with shu since shes cheap and has quick recharge
@larsthememelord3383 You can use other executioners and even agents for that. Because what's more broken than a fast redeploy operator that breaks the game or generates dp and hitting aerial enemies?
Specter should go to S cuz like at M3 her s2 can be used as a hellidrop immortal tank for a few sec for a boss then just drop texalter or any boss killer to safely kill the boss.
Not to mention, AH squad buff really kicks in and can turn her from just a laneholder to immortal shark
Remember, abyssal hunters < meta squad with the same squad size, and Specter is strong, I agree, yet she doesnt bring any utility except for stalling, and there are many more better day to day options. Just because specter can push through in a specific scenario while others cant doesnt mean she is better than others. Most of the time she is just a good lane holder
Specter, Warfarin, Manticore and Leizi _definitely_ belong 1 tier higher in my opinion. Maybe some others as well.
Specter's survivability allows her to cheese some enemies/maps. Even more so if you go for an Abyssal Hunter team.
Sure, Warfarin's buff isn't always a 90% DPS increase. But as it's sometimes less than 90% it also is sometimes more than 90% as well. There's a reason you often see the Exia + Warfarin combo. Depending on the enemy's defense it can boost the DPS by up to ~800%. So if you're using the edgecase-excuse, do keep in mind it goes both ways.
Don't underestimate the permanent 60% (or is it 70%?) slow Manticore provides to all enemies in her range. If used correctly, this is effectively doubles the DPS for all other units who share their range with Manticore's.
Leizi's DPS is pretty broken. Her S2 does over 4400 arts DPS overall, which is even more than some 6-stars. And thanks to her module the uptime is now decent too.
(For comparison, Goldenglows's S3 does around 4700 arts DPS (with 15 RES ignore), though that one's hard to quantify because of the random explosions.)
Warfarin buff is significantly better on ops with low atk stat yes, yet it is significantly worse on operators with low atk stat. And as I know, it is usually better to just bring one unit that does high damage anyway even without a buffer.
Manticore slows by 50% for 5 seconds and that can be useful, yet is very mid and pointless in the regular game. You dont always need to stall the enemy, and sometimes it is better to just get rid of it.
Leizi is insane I agree, but her range is way too small for me to put her into S tier.
Indra and Broca should switch tiers. Broca has 3 block count and has longer range on his S2, and his arts damage is very high he's basically a 5 star Surtr. Meanwhile, Indra only has 1 block and her long cooldown on S2 makes her hard to use.
Honestly, you are right! Broca is indeed A tier, although I still think Indra is very strong. Everytime I use her, she works. Her damage is very good, it is somewhat based on her 33% dodge, but as she is intended for 1v1ning enemies, that isnt too bad, she is extremely cheap to deploy, and I usually dont find myself retreating her, her burst is very good after all. A very solid boss 1v1 too, she doesnt die faced against most bosses as her damage, therefore healing is quite good. She does feel niche, yet she has managed to work for me too many times.
Yeah. I enjoy playing with the brawlers, but I'll generally use a four star one (Jackie, to be specific) before I use Indra. Though I will say that is probably in part due to the pain of getting Indra potentials. For some reason, they don't have her as an option to pick from the "pick a five star to gain a potential" things, despite her being an old, old character. And she's hard to get from recruitment, because she has tags commonly found on guards.
Overall good tierlist! Here's my take:
Absinthe A tier. free unit and you get an instant max pot ticket through missions thus solid dp cost, unlimited duration atk buff and additional buff against enemies under 50% hp. Module with RES ignore.
Platinum A tier strongest 5 star sniper. Simply because of perma buff and extra range.
Andreana B tier, high damage but slow aspd and single target, mid talent buff considering most abyssal hunters aren't that easy to obtain. She can't attack enemies below a threshold and wastes her insane atk buff on low threat enemies. High dp cost, it's more worth to deploy a caster instead.
Elysium S tier. He's a top3 dp booster in the game and already at e1 his talent reduces all sniper units dp cost by -1 and grants 10 global aspd. He has a skill with slow, reveal and def reduction which further buffs snipers.
April A tier. Has the fully-charged platinum damage but instantly on-deploy and with increased aspd. Only thing that keeps her from S is like most 5* snipers has no option to ouplay high def bosses. However she's meant to be used like a classic deploy-retreat specialist that's only on the map when you need her. Invis/Untargetable is an amazing buff on a sniper, allows to quickly solokill enemies that could be a threat later on (casters, high damage drones, unblockable or AoE enemies), while other snipers would require a healer or someone baiting enemy attacks which makes April exceptionally dp efficient.
Specter is an S tier endgame unit and the strongest melee 5 star. She is like a reaper with 3 block that heals herself without attacking and can still be healed by other operators. She has high hp and atk, gains further hp through her talent. Can tank multiple leader attacks as a guard while still dealing ridiculous damage.
Absinthe is very good, but the 50% hp condition is quite limiting at times. Platinum does mid damage. Andreana is pretty useful ngl, but I could see you valuing her lower.
Elysium is lower because he cannot lanehold. He is better in some occasions than Texas, but texas is better in most scenarios. April damage is underwhelming, whenever I use her I see that she is doing no damage against mid defense.
Specter is not as broken, if you actually use her more, you will realise that yes she can be absolutely the best sometimes, but most of the time lack of utility and range is making her very very mid. So I picked the middleground and put her in A tier.
@@The158Outlawslol then would that make the flagbearer vanguards just bad in general due to their inability to lanehold? It's not like their main role is to just print dp and nothing more. I'm not trying to be mean btw this way, just this argument is flawed since it's not what their designed to do. It's like saying dp on kill vanguards are bad cause they can't lanehold better than pioneer cause two block.
Casually looks over the 1500 records that Mayer has on Arkrec. Summoners are not useless at all and are in fact the most flexible units in low op 5* only and welfare clears. They can be quite technical but are extremely versatile, and it's sad that mayer s2 was not even mentioned because that is her genuinely useful skill that literally allows her to be a fast redeploy that does dmg and comes with cc all in one since meeboos get refunded after explosions. I recommend watching some of Dusk's clears here in yt to enlighten you on truly how broken summoners are in this game due to their full map coverage capabilities.
Also (totally no bias coming from an aZLing player whose channel is dedicated to Firewatch clears), Firewatch should definitely at least be a higher tier. Her dmg is not nearly as bad as you claim (its over 2.2k with s1 active, and most bosses nowadays which are what she is usually used for... are ranged, so with talent active, she does over 3k per shot which is insane.) and invis is so broken in this game they only gave it to manticore and magallan drones (and more recently ines). In fact, its the longest invis in the game and allows you to literally ignore most game mechanics completely. This allows her to solo Emperor's Blade by herself. How many 5 stars can even do something like that? She tanks through Sui boss, does not care about andoain and his global attack, even the freaking gardener boss' global debuff she can ignore. Modern boss design is actually keeping up with Firewatch somehow. Look right now. Cliff is a ranged boss, and under the heat vent with s1, she can do well over 2k per shot and can be right up next to him and she does not care. What I am trying to say is that she is quite often an extreme tech option for her rare invis skill and a rare case where physical dmg is not completely impeded by defense. Positioning is of utmost importance to bring out the full skill duration since dmg comes out slower than your typical nuker but it is crazy consistent and the uptime is insane (20sp and mod makes it shorter when hitting enemies which saved so many runs, no joke). I now just realized I wrote a whole Ted-Talk, I really need to learn to not do this every time and just stop, but its too late now rip...
Okay so lets just get this straight. Outside of a niche, summoners suck. So yeah they get records, in low op niches, but lets be real, outside of that, what can they do? Also firewatch attacks so so slowly, and her damage is mid, if an enemy isnt ranged, she basically cant kill it. Not to mention she has weird targetting and only works on certain maps. Yes, when she works, she is the best 5*. But modt of the time she is kinda mid. I used her in my 5* only CV-EX-8 clear for the left lane recently, but yet again, most of the time she is just useless.
@@The158Outlaws for summoners, we gotta take into account that low op niche is very useful for Integrated Strategies. You only start with 3 ops, and picking mayer at first is great for saving health at first.
Yet again, it is only saving you in the start of the run, and overtime it becomes just as useless. Plus, there are a lot of ways to get a very strong start in all integrated strategies. And lastly, you wont take anyone but deepcolor anyways.
Reverse powercreep on 5's is super weird, there's very few that have a Niche or Performance worth E2, and even less characters again worth E1 max for IS and 95% of those came out with the game. (I have a fair few E2'd for the character art that'll never be used for anything but screensavers)
Congratulations you got clickbaited! Not all 5* are in reverse powercreep, but there sure are some. Most of them are just equal to each other, but some new 5* are better, such as proviso.
@@The158Outlaws Don't be click baiting me this early in our youtuber subcriber relationship lol
@@hankshill71 I am not a bad person for doing so, but clickbait increases engagement by a flat amount, which I certainly need, to have bigger auditory.
In order to maintain 5 stars or below, they must have something that even 6 stars can't. Such as Lappy's silence, Waff for big atk boost, Shamare for debuff. Ptilopsis with her Sp regen, Andreana that sometimes forgotten because she has no red eyes and white long hair like others.
Which new class lately can't, powercrept from 6 stars version or lackluster on its own such as Tequila and Coldshot.
ESPECIALLY Spuria that even Aak, her 6 stars version rarely see used nowadays.
Did you just called Tequila one of the best 5* damage dealers underwhelming ? Sure he is no Młynar but he is still good.
@@januszpolak254 He's good but my point is he doesn't provide anything special to make you pick him over Mylnar (such as those I mentioned above) unless you just want to use him.
3:36 wait what...
i understand the placement but your comment on her s2 is quite questionable, as its dph is like top3 among the 5* while also being capable of helidropping.
Against a crowd her damage is good yes, but single target damage is quite mid ngl. In 5* only I usually bring some other operator instead and her damage isnt really comparable to 6* operators. Again, she is a great unit because of the invulnerability, but I think there are many more options that do better than her in most stages. Not to say she is unusable, but I dont really pick her for my 5* only plays most of the time.
@@outlaws7550 Your numbers may be wrong. Specter at max level s2m3, with no trust or module, can hit 1885 damage per hit against a single target. For comparison, Thorns hits about 1560 per hit. And in terms of physical damage dealers, DPH is a lot more important than attack speed.
If you are comparing to 5 stars, even Flamebringer, a dreadnaught guard, has about 1560 damage per hit, single target, when his s2m3 is activated. Specter hits a lot harder than the vast majority of 5 stars.
1800 isnt some crazy damage though. There is tequila that does way more damage than her. Specter doesnt do a whole lot of dps, so when she cant pierce enemy's defense well, she does so so bad damage. Her main strength is the invincibility which is the main reason she is A tier on my list.@@JoeSmith-st9lc
Blue Poison is A tier. She's always been solid, and then they added the "have hit them multiple times to defeat them" enemies, which often come in groups.
Silence is A tier as well. You'll probably much always use Warfarin or Whisperain over her, as they're almost always a better choice. Yes, Whisperain.
And speaking of Whisperain, definite A tier. Her charged up healing skill, the status effect reduction, the heal over time, the wide area she covers, and her module reducing her target priority... she's great, all around, and one of the better healers in the game. Barring the need to use the ammo and instantly unstun people, I pretty much always use her over her 6 star counterpart. Though now Eyja Alter exists, who basically is a six star Whisperain, though with elemental healing rather than status protection.
Honeyberry is superior to Mulberry. Her S1 is basically all the elemental healing you need, and coupled with the elemental HoT from her trait makes her both a better single target and multi-target elemental healer than her fellow five star counterpart. And speaking of elemental healing, it shows up often that Honeyberry should be A tier. If you don't have Eyja alter, raise up Honeyberry and M3 that S1.
La Pluma is S tier. She's the Ifrit of guards. On the right maps, she's brutal, absolutely brutal, better than Thorns brutal. That S1 at M3 needing just 2 charges, coupled with her gaining attack speed as she kills things...
I'd drop Nearl down to A tier. Problem is, Saria exists, and you'll pretty much always use her over Nearl. And for things like the rogue-like mode, you'll pretty much pick Gummy over her. She's in that usual "five star hell" spot... quite inferior to six star options, but not enough of an edge over the four stars.
Umm, Blue poison is only doing dps, and no utility what so ever, and the damage is good against some enemies, as well as bad against others. She is just mid. Silence is way better of a healer than warfarin and whisperain, whisperain is mid in general, everything you said isnt broken in any way. Honeyberry s1 may be better than Mulberry s1(which I dont know about) But mulberry s2 which both honeyberry and mulberry main skill is better than honeyberry s2. La pluma only does damage that cannot pierce mid tier defense. Good survivability and crowd clearing againdt low defense but she is not going to be broken in any way, solid a tier. And Nearl is very strong, Saria does not replace her. Both of them are pretty much equal in strength most of the time.
Honeyberry is better when there's consistent elemental damage because of s1's consistency (near light, chapter 9, under tides flowers), while Mulberry is better when there's burst elemental damage because of the elemental damage reduction of s2, and high aspd (chapter 11, under tides eggs).
@@The158Outlaws Uhm... Sorry, what is this "sniper utility" you keep mentioning because I fail to see it in class. Exu gives stats to 2 RANDOM operators, so most of the time you buff your flaguards, Meteor has def shred, but there are better options for that (*cough* *cough* Shamare), kinda same for Chalter, Archetto has offensive recovery for snipers (which is 70% of the time is only herself), W has stun in the world where you can only stun trash mobs and some elites, Kralter shoots down hovering enemies, Sesa debuffs Aspeed (ef he EVER hits his grenade, and the debuff itself isn't that noticeable), Rosa can bind, Rosmontis can deploy blockers and May slows.
And then there are over half of sniper roster who's main thing is "Eh, I do daemage!"
I highly doubt most people pick 1 sniper over another thinking: "Oh, I really need my sniper to slow enemy. Or shred armor". And in terms of damage both Platinum and BP are on same level if not better than Kralter who is plagued by crit rng.
Also, I think you underestimate the problem Edamage cause: sure most ops can tank 1k nuke when decently build, but the problem was never nuke itself but the stun or stacking def shred that can potentially lead to oneshots or leaks.
Nearl is solid, but not S-tier. This 17% heal amp while sounds nice, is noticeable in really niche scenarios, and in IS people would rather save for Saria, who is definitely better, or pick Gummy/Spot, who can do same but cheaper in terms of hope
Iris is Mystic caster, which already puts her in trash can tier for simply existing. Same goes for Coldshot.
Elysium is also weird. I get that he is weak against rushing enemies, but so does any other flagguard, it's just not their job to deal with it and in terms of his utility he is in no way worse than Texas, giving discount+buff to a class people tends to bring on any map AND stealth detector+def shred.
As for Warfarin... I'd say she is sidegrade to Silence. Because people somehow always talk about her buff, but forget the fact she also buffs HERSELF, which makes her solid burst solotarget healer ON TOP of being SP battery, so both are solid S tier (still better than Shining).
Reason for Lappland being A too not really clear. Character with 2 damage types (tho you can't choose when you use one or the other), skill seal (rare but helpful niche) AND part of most versatile Guard archetype.
Heidi is nice, but she either buffs your frontline, or trolls it into oblivion.
Summoners shouldn't be rated, cuz 80% of "normal" people wouldn't use them to full power anyway.
Okay, I honestly dont know whos really better because I havent used both of them that much, but from my experience and what I heard, Mulberry is a better operator. And just in general, the only stage that really requires Elemental heling is the last (bottom right) SSS stage. It was also useful in chapter 12, but I didnt use it, so it aint "required". And just in general elemental medics (except for eyjaberry) are single target and they have a low atk stat.
@@The158Outlaws I'd say in general, honeyberry is the easier and better operator to use out of the two, because of the fact that there is way way more consistent elemental damage than burst (by this I mean proccing the elemental damage hit before getting a single heal in). honeyberry s1 and s2 do have multi-target, which helps with more consistency, but not to the extent of eyja alter where it's permanent.
edit: with mulberry's talent and another medic you can do a mini stall setup on an enemy you want blocked but deals way too much damage for your op to tank lol, the single target hps on mulberry s2 is not to be underestimated
I feel like warfarin not being good for buffing operators with built-in atk buffs isn't a good enough reason to put her in A tier, considering how much she can do for operaters that play well off buffs.
Her impact is still not strong enough to put her S tier.
@@The158Outlaws fair enough
You almost scared me, i thought there'd be no delulu this time😔 Also, very surprised Heidi made it so high on the tier list
I couldnt disappoint you. Additive buffs are very good, and Heidi overall is pretty solid, has some usecase with both of her skills, her s1 isnt far off from skadi s3 and we havent seen her module yet(on global, I dont watch cn) So she is quite good.
Good to know there is a fellow 5 star enjoyer on youtuve.
Great tier list! I agree with about 80% of it.
Thank you.
Hung is definitely a S rank for being good at bed tier list change my mind
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@@shinji7541 that's what I said changed mind
Firewhistle was one of my first 5 star pulls, was going for her 6 star counterpart but didn't have the pulls. Her E2 ability essentially increases her damage applicable range by 1 square in every direction and the spaces infront of her recieve the arts damage strikes. Thats the part I love about her, you can hold off on her E2 and let 3 enemies clump up against her then she point blanks them all. Great for AN3 as she helps cover the neighbouring lane and melts the Defense Crushers no issue
amiya for new player is quite strong boss killer with s3 and good source of true damage, i found quite successful using her beating down bosses and killing enemy in chapter 10 and it's not even mastery yet. the sp cost maybe a bit intimidating at first but due to her talent, she can recharge it pretty fast. overall a viable helidrop true damage option
All that is a yes, but mostly for beginners. Amiyas main advantage over other casters is that you are forced to build her. I wouldnt call her particularly strong though. Her s3 is strong when fighting an isolated elite/boss, when there are multiple trashmobs in her range, she is wasting her potential a lot. Her s2 is pretty bad unless you invest a lot into it. And even then, amiya has no spot in the meta. Amiyas s1 is kinda lame. It is okay, but thats about it. In general, Core caster range is small, which already puts her at a disadvantage. She either had to do a lot of damage(which she doesnt), or she just sucks. This is not to say she is completely unusable. For a 5*, she is very solid, nothing outstanding or useful meta wise though, even the true damage is often times doesnt match your expectations.
@@The158Outlaws yes i wouldn't call her meta but she's strong. Her s3 can be quite janky with the targeting, and she needs quite a bit of setup to use. But she still a viable pick if you lack burst damage or true damage in your team and that's why i would said that she's good for new player is what I'm trying to say
Lappland in A? Alright i know where this is going.
lappland is good if you dont have other options. She doesnt provide anything but damage, which she gets effectively powercrept in by basically all 6*
@@The158Outlaws wdym she doesn't provide anything????. Her talent already did great that no 6* have same talent as her and she is very useful in stultifera navis and cc2 now. Which i can say lappland can still viable till now bruh.
Still, her being good in certain events only is quite eh. Not to mention the real mvp of stultifera navis was gnosis. Her silence isnt useful in 95+% of stages
Skyfire is bad, there's no doubt about that. But I still find ways to utilize her and have fun with those niche application. Her talent pairs comically well with Harmonie and Texas alter for one, and her S2's stun is helpful to bring hovering enemies down to the ground. It's hardly enough to bring her up out of D, but she's got some use cases at least.
If you put enough effort, you can use everyone, but I would argue skyfire is one of the least worthy of building units in the game.
I feel like you did Platinum dirty, I don't use her because I have Dorthy/Exu, but extended range and 1K+ damage, with a massive first shot, she's one of the strongest AA units in the game.
Also Quarqus [with module] has some of the best HPS in the game, while her talent is good at preventing one-shots, keeping units topped off, something she does well with her short attack interval. Not to mention she goes crazy with buffs.
Platinum already does underwhelming damage against mid tier defense(enemies defense is growing) so putting her higher than mid tier is quite questionable.
Quercus isnt as strong of a healer as she is kind of a mix, and her sp battery on paper is very good, but doesnt really come in handy in the actual game. So she is also kind of mid.
@@The158OutlawsI think Quercus should be A at least. DragonGJY made a video of Quercus post module. Her healing per second is almost equal to Lumen with module with S3 active. Quercus doesn’t have the issue of the other Abjurers because her healing skill is permanent. And her value is really big in IS for example because she’s the best healer you can get from a supporter tag (skadi alter is more buff oriented) So when compared to how she fares against other 6*, at least she got that niche in IS. ( even without that she remains a solid pure healer)
Platinum issue is,
Recent enemies have high DEF and HP.
In the past, she can pick off enemies fast at her extended range with her bonus ATK.
Nowdays, she still does, but at slower rate (Sometimes enemies still live to deal damage to your lane).
I think B is Fair. She still works good, but not as good to move her to A or S.
I own E2M3 Platinum with L3 module and she is Waifu, to have enough experience to say this.
@@DisIngRaM I for-sure wouldn't move her to S, but as far as 5* I don't know of any that can match her ST DPS with good range.
I still think a healer like silence would do better than her.
Notice how most of used 5* are used because of a certain talent. Its either that or their 6* counterpart is made for a different role
Ex: Ptilopsis for fast healing, nightingale for arts resistance.
Then theres 5* vs 4*. Only sample i can think of at the moment is myrtle vs ely. You'd basically use myrtle more.
But then there's red vs every other 6*. Phantom has a clone, yato can shred with s2 and texas which is basically red beyond steroids.
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You could say that 5* are the experimental class. Theres only several 5* that are equal or generally better than its other rarities. My most used one aside from the obvious ones is highmore and it's because she's amazing in is3.
Although i do kinda prefer her more than la pluma now, even on general content
As a note for future viewers. The 7-8 cost comes from the module. Which isn’t hard to get… Legit. The 2 missions can be done at the same time. Use sword rain 5 times and hit something with it and beat Code of Brawl level 3 with Texas being your only vanguard. (CB-3 is the second level with command terminals. And CB-3 isn’t hard…)
i think you kinda underrate flints ability to stop blocking and start stalling, its basically pseudo-immortality if they arent being targeted while still keeping the enemy within range for a good bit of the skills duration
Okay. Now, name how many stages actually let that happen?
@@The158Outlawsi couldnt really give a number, i use fighters a lot
I am building glasgow gang (slowly trying to) and it is full of fighters that basically cant do anything as a niche XDDD
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Is Kjera really that bad? I used her, Absinthe, Amiya and Click quite a lot when I didn't have any 6* arts dps units and they all kinda seemed to deal similar damage. Amiya was the worst unless using S3, and Kjera seemed to do the most when she got her freeze off because of the RES reduction (and also buying the team more time for killing a boss). From my experience the RNG is not as bad as it looks, and if you have any way to increase her attack speed she scales really well.
Disclaimer: I did not do any math or proper testing, this is just my experience.
Well in my experience she barely froze enemies, and her damage was quite underwhelming. Not to mention that all of this is stacked with a small range.
@@The158Outlawskjeras talent makes her base damage stronger than goldenglow and click.
@@TheBeginnerviolin Yeah, but its a caster- her range is terrible + there are way more better operators offskill than her.
@@TheBeginnerviolin well untill you remember Click have more base dps than her (839 vs 821), and GG has res ignore
Bro built 5 stars two times and thought they figured out the whole category. this ain't it chief
Excuse me, I have 20+ lvl80 5*, dont bullshit me. I also used all of them from supports in various game modes and story content, so you cant say that.
@@The158Outlaws 20 is very little to be gloating about in the biggest category lmao A LOT of your takes are just hot ass I'm sorry. A few hot ass takes I'll correct:
Specter is one the best 5 stars, instant S tier. Firewatch is also insanely good A tier minimum.
A lot of the "mid" tier aka the "i dont know what im doing tier" have operators like glaucus and istina together when istina is the best decel binder (also better than proviso). Rock rock being in Mid tier is just hilarious.
You don't even ever discuss SP cycling, how else would you think Indra is in A tier if u haven't seen her poor cycling lmao. Mayer in the same tier as Tsukinogi I'm??
You know id say your takes are hot ass, so whatever
Specter with her friend (with all the modules maxed out) is pretty good, i love running gladiia, skadi (both variants, with guard variant having module that increases all abbyssal hunter unit damage by 21% when in the squad) and perfumer. She can regen very very quick, stacking HP regen is very fun thing to do 😂 a very good fodder grinder.
Yeah, but thats abyssal hunters. And as we know, 5 slots of good 6* > 5 abyssal hunters. So unfortunately, it doesnt make Specter good.
notices cantabile on A tier:
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I have to say from the liberi operator, it fits not so bad
Firewhistle is quite a very good operator, as people take her over Ashlock because of her s2
Cantabile is very strong, but she doesnt feel good enough to put her into S tier for some reason. I never heard of "Cantabile solo vanguard gaming" never. She doesnt really do damage and she is block 1. Her range doesnt extend like Ineses range and Firewhistle looks mid on paper, but in game she does very well, clearly better than ashlock.
@@The158Outlaws oh cantabile wasn't a negativ point
She is good and worthy, but she is well balanced and fits into her rarity and can be used quite well
I probally would rank most of them the same
Maybe Astesia to B, but maybe I'm a bit bias about it
Need to rewatch the video again to see what your reasons were
be patient, my friend. It is really tough to bare tier lists. You usually just skip over to the units that you like. I didnt have a script ready for this video (cause its 30+ minutes💀)
@@The158Outlawsmy thought on the specific "never heard of solo cantabile vanguard" (ignoring stages where it's easy enough so you just bring whatever) also it could be horribly wrong because I thought about it for like 3 seconds
I think it's because what's happening is her specific role of sub-dps fast dp gen is kind of a bad match-up.
While her dp gen is fast I feel it's on a weird middle ground of 2 scenarios.
If the start off isn't heavy on pressure your best bet would be to use fast dp-focused vanguards like flagbearers (or even Texas IMO) and rush your heavy-duty operators fully set up
If the start off pressures enough then you would use more vanguards which are focused on lane-holding like bagpipe, siege, saga or even someone like courier/ponicirus because focusing on fending off the earlier waves is much more important
(This is ignoring a situation where you only use cheap carries like mountain and/or have low dp requirements anyway because vanguard discussions are kind of(?) irrelevant there)
So for an operator whose kit involves fast dp gen (rushing the start off) and a decent attack stat (lane holding) it kind of delegates her to a position where if you only need 1 vanguard it's probably better to use someone specific to the opener
This is why from what I've seen most people use her in the mid game as a quick dp gen setup because her skill has almost no downtime on helidrop (5s(?) On s2 but bagpipe lmao) so you can use her to "cash in" Some quick dp if you're re-positioning your deployed lineup. The only general situation I would imagine her being a best choice for solo vanguards is if you need drone support
Personally I think she's just as good as those you listed on the high tiers but specifically for "solo vanguard" Scenarios you would much rather have a good pillar rather than someone with utility
Similar with how single 6* strategies use crutch operators who alleviate dps checks because janky mechanics and utility is a second option while definite numbers of damage dealt and received (i.e the most basic pillars of an undefined operator's role) is most often the first thing that crumbles a strategy
I like Meteorite with L3 module, she proc her talent much more reliably, dealing heavy damage frequently.
I think she deserves A (With L3 module), when compared how Platinum and Sesa is B.
And I do know that often she outperforms those units you put in A.
Keep in mind that, high threat foes usually park in a fix spot, and they are usually food for Meteorite (And they also often bundled together).
Elysium is at least S, his S2 is insane powerful if one know how to place him in the battlefield. Not to mention his module upgrade is powerful (All flagbearer module is powerful).
Keypoint, use him offensively OR strategically, not simply like Myrtle.
Andreana should be S, where else could one get an almost undying Deadeye sniper (Using just Spectral and Gladia not the whole Abyss team), you can place her in the heat of battle without healer, and most likely she will be doing great (Even tkaing aggro for tanking). Her S2, need to get used to it, but it is very powerful, just prepare for the restriction. Keep in mind that not many 5* can kill tough foes by themself either when comparing her S2. Shredding 50% HP on the toughest foe is great enough. Or just use her S1.
Whisperrain, now days, often we getting foes that inflict stun and damage. Whisperrain can trivialize those enemies (Example Clip Cliff). Her overall heal is also much better than how it initially looks. I think is A.
Robin, is hard to say (B or A), her shift bomb does wonders when it counts. The problem is, such stage is rare.
I won't rate Windchime high, B.
But I usually place her like Blaze does but in reverse (Guarding 2 lane, but the less heavy traffic side), or put her offlane as dmg support (Much like mousse).
Her Burst S2 deals lots of damage, even heavies, often clearing foes in one big sweep.
I don't really use her for blocking heavy traffic lane.
For example, this Jessica alter event, she got lots of uses, since in this event, it is not really beneficial to block foes, and they come in packs.
Centalla, many people label her as bad. I think she deserve a B.
In actuality, her S2 damage is actually pretty powerful.
You don't need to put her facing the edge of the maps (concentrated tiles on S2), all you need is to bring her to promotion E2L50Sk7, not even mastery is needed to know that she deals lots of damage.
The cold and freeze is a nice stall bonus, and each icicle drop AOE is pretty good, that it hits more often than people might think.
She does great in this Jessica Alter evet (The foes comes in packs, especially when stalled).
Tsukinogi used to be good B, now is D I think.
I used to pair her with Enmity Guards.
Now that Enmity guards gain sanctuary from their module (HG did Tsukinogi dirty), she is practically jobless.
I think she can still work with Defender like Mudrock or guard like crusher or windchime, but never tried it.
I already explained why Elysium is A tier. If you manage to make him work, S tier. But A tier it is because he is weak against rushes. Texas is better in terms of laneholding, while also providing utility and damage. Andreana is no where near S tier. She is way too complicated and she often times fails me stages in 5* only. Yeah, if you get a squad so good that then can cover for her weaknesses, she works, but in such a scenario everybody works. Her damage isnt going to make her S tier. How many times have you faced an enemy barely below or above 50% hp that she just cannot do anything about?
Robin is just good overall, bind bombs that do solid damage are useful. Not to mention she doesnt take up deployment slots like summoners. I already explained why wind chimes is bad, but Id like to add that most of the time she cant even kill the enemy in a hit of her skill. Just in general, such 1 instance skills are mid. She does similar damage to blaze s3. But both of those skills are bad. Centellas s2 is powerful, although it is rng. It increases range for people just to use it against a wall to reduce rng. Nothing practical either. She deserves her spot in the trash. Tsukinogi is still somewhat useful. She offers 50% sanctuary with s2 and 35% dodge with s1. Her buffs are good, but the sp cost of her skills is overturned.
This tier list hurt me
Half of the Ops you put in B and A should be 1 tier higher
How are you gonna put Manticore and Savage in the same tier and proceed to put Flamebringer lower than her
I’m not even gonna talk about Broca, Ayerscarpe and Elysium the reasons you put them in their respective tiers
If this is a tier list for newer players i can maybe understand, but for an advanced list this is hella misleading
Almost missed the Mr.Nothing rant, please tell me this is a bait list
Okay I admit that broca is higher already, but none of the rest are. Also Mr.Nothing is just a dp drain, no payoff. He basically has negative impact on a stage, no wonder no one uses him.
@@The158Outlaws the only op in this game that has a negative impact is Conviction, and to a much much lesser extent Aak
Mr.Nothing is potentially the best strong enemy stall 5 star outside of Specter, by your logic every merchant is useless solely because they drain dp
Elysium is the best debuff unit in 5 star pool, and comes with an added bonus of generating dp, he single handedly sets up every other unit in the game who doesn’t have enough dps otherwise and removes invisibility and buffs snipers, i see no way to put him below Texas
Ayers i can understand as there’s way too many better guards, but Ely and Nothing are inexcusable
Excuse me but Aak is one of the strongest buffers in the game, you cant say he has negative impact, it makes no sense!
Also Mr Nothing is just the worst Merchant. He offer absolutely nothing. And yes, Merchants in general are kinda mid. Lee is probably the only one useful in some way as he ignores stun. But besides him, to be honest, none of them are even in the A tier. Also Shamare has a stronger debuff than Elysium, and Elysium is quite fragile + only has 1 block. He is just as strong as texas with a certain set up, but if we compare raw performance, Texas is honestly just better in 90% cases. Just because you dont just get dp, you get a solid laneholder that can do solid damage and stun in a good range. She is also faster than Elysium at the start of the round, so all and all she is better. Except for like 5 stages maximum, you dont face problems with dp using texas. But you can face problems using elysium and getting rushed. Also, elysium placement is somewhat reliant on his weakness to rushes, so his utility often times isnt even usable. And you also often times want to retreat him after first skill aftivation in order to refund at least some dp (because he is bad against rushes) and so he gives even less dp than texas overtime that way. I would say Texas is the only dominant 5* vanguard that basically has no flaws.
@@The158OutlawsHow can you say that Mr.Nothing is the worst merchant when his greatest niche is the ability to do insanely stupid stall strats? He was able to do illegal stall strats with Kafka in CC, permastalling Last Knight in IS#3 all by his lonesome, and Pengod has showcased his talent many times. The drain DP isn't even that bad if you have his module equipped.
Okay but, count the amount of stages he actually does something useful. And there always is an operator that can replace him + on top of that not have the flaw of draining dp.
Elysium is definitely not A 😂 he is definitely S there are so many factors that needs to be taken into consideration:
1. You don't need vanguards for most of the stages, but usually in the hardest ones.
1.1 You only needs vanguards to confort pick which is subjective, when you ara going to deploy a lot of operatos which is rarely necessary, or when the natural DP generation if there is no initial rush Elysium is definitely better, if there is a rush just also bring a charger, an agent or even better a low dp cost operator (thogh you will probably need a 6star), Texas is indeed superior in this case when the deployment limit is reduced or the stage really force you to bring a 2-block vanguard wich rarely happen.
2. The meta.
2.1 Myrtle is one of the most used operators in the game. Mind to remain you the definition of meta short for metagame: "In competitive games, the metagame is the most popular strategy" (Wikipedia). So yeah Myrtle is meta but the definition show us that the meta doesn't necessarily mean the strongest. Elysium is definitely better than Myrtle, so Elysium is an upgrade to the meta.
3. Utility. I don't think is there's something wrong bringing an operator just to open the map or produce dp. But is definitely better if you can bring more value with them. In my opinion Elysium S2 is underrated which has a very good utility. As for the other skills an passives there are no clear winner both have pros and cons.
Thank you. I don’t have to type this now.
1.I completely agree with the first point.
2.META is "Most Effective Tactics Available"? I agree with the stands that elysium > myrtle
3. And I agree, that elysium utility is huge, yet Texas is more defensive and offers more as an entry vanguard. She definitely isnt the best dp gen vanguard or anything, but is one of the strongest solo vanguards and while I do agree elysium utility is very very good, Texas isnt far far off, her arts damage with s2 is good, and she stuns the enemy which clutched a lot of stages and is runs for me. Heres something for sure though - they are pretty much on the same level, yet texas simply offers more against rushes, her defensive stats and good early dp gen are very powerful for such scenarios. I used her in cc12 risk 29 as my solo vanguard. (both of them are equally affected by bagpipe, so whether you use them with bagpipe or not, it doesnt really change anything.)
@@The158Outlaws "Texas defensive" what 😂
@@Murmur_3565Considering the module with max potential puts their cost at FUCKING 7 FOR FIRST DEPLOYMENT! WHICH IS CHEAPER THEN JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER VANGUARD EXCLUDING YATO! AND YOU’RE GETTING STATS THAT ARE SOLID! (Not to mention module boosts ability damage.)
@@ninja6245-real ? I'm just laughing at how he said Texas being defensive and you bring up how cheap it can be, ok
I wish HG gave Amiya a module similar to her IS true dmg relic but just a little nerfed.
I feel like her current module is already very good, it helps her a lot with the sp problem as the only person that can charge amiya's skill is amiya herself. 120 sp cost is huge
You are totally sleeping on Quercus's healing potential at m3 with module. for single target its comparable to lumens
I just dont find her strong, like, have you ever went into a stage and went: I need an abjurer for this. She doesnt always heal, which is often times a problem, her sp recovery is good, but only when it actually works. In a certain scenario, yes, Quercus is insane, but most of the time, mid
guess it'll depend on your playstyle; I only use 5 and 4 stars, so I use her pretty much every stage.
Her S1 is infinite duration though, so she won't stop healing.@@The158Outlaws
At this point just take a healer. Silence would serve better.
corrooserum! he is very useful when there are multiple lanes he can cover (you place him perpendicular to the lanes) he's clutch saved me in those situations many times 😅 he also has silense on his s2 which has its uses!
Oh shit, you are right, what a miss by me on corroserums kit! I really apologize for misevaluating such a god like corroserum. Shame on me.
I maxed my Nearl (s1m3 + lvl 80 + max module) thinking I'd never get Saria only to pull Saria a couple days later. It was still worth it LOL took a month to get Saria to an acceptable level (during trial of navigator with Manfred as one of the bosses, my Nearl survived the cannons easily while tanking as well, meanwhile a friends s1m3 lvl 60 no module Saria kept dying there)
I have max lvl max module s1m3 nearl, and a lvl 30 s3m3 saria, because saria is more useful for the +55% arts damage instead of bland healing.
Would love to see a 6 star tier list
Not anytime soon. It is hard to stay entertaining while making a tierlist, so I kind of retired from making them for a bit. Will do that later probably...
This tier list must include limitations. Namely, is this only for 5* only team. Or in all stars roster.
--5* only or all stars roster
The 5* in all stars tier list is like you're making a full tier list, but deleting all of them which aren't 5*.
The easiest comparison, if you say this is 5* only. Cantabile would be S. All roster, she would be eclipsed by Ines, A in the video is agreeable.
More complex example, 5* only, Texas and Elysium in the video is agreeable.
But for all roster, i'd say Elysium is S. Texas eclipsed by Flametail or Saileach. Not apple to apple comparison, but i'd put them better than Texas.
Elysium does cloack revealing, slow, def reduction, also buffing all Snipers +28% aspd. Also could generate DP/s a bit faster than Myrtle.
In case you don't know how big is +28 aspd bonus.
Aak S3 gives +50 aspd. And it still can be stacked with Elysium. Not to mention Aak only targets single operator, and much likely you need additional support to utilize his skill.
If you bring let's say Typhon, and Pozy into the team, Ely will buff both of them (global buff) while providing defense reduction debuff, in the absence of the attack buff Aak provides.
Tsukinogi at C alone is multidimensionally wrong. She should be D.
But what can i say to someone who vehemently saying Quercus at B?
I could give it a pass Quercus at B, if this is in an all stars roster tier list consideration.
I has already M6 fully build Quercus, honestly S2 was a mistake, i only use her for S1.
The only person who can keep my Hoshiguma alive during CC back then was Quercus.
It isn't like i don't have healers. Her shelter was very useful. While Shining could also gives the same level of protection, only do that while her skill active.
Quercus S1 + Hoshi combi was completely AFK. Not to mention she's cheaper to deploy and super tanky as a high ground unit.
But then again, i could agree she is on B if this is all stars tier list. I'd rather pick Eyja alter for everyday.
--Base skill consideration ?
Proviso at A is questionable even if this is 5* only team. Unless...you raise her only for the base skill. Even the game press put her into not worth to build category.
Also Bison you put at A. Only useful for the base skill. I'd pick Gummy, or Jessica Alter, Horn even; Over any defender you say she/he just a normal defender.
Now i'm wondering if the tier list also consider the base skill as measurement. If that's true tho, Bison is equal to Croissant and Asbestos on that regard.
If you don't really understand what the operator actually does, or you never build them, it is safer to exclude them from the tier list.
Since honestly your assesment over Texas for example, was spot on. So maybe it was the case.
So you won't be bombarded by comment corrections as much.
As this is non #educational, as claimed on the video tag.
Maybe you actually understand them and build them, but there're just too many for you to handle right in the middle of the video.
Like the video is 37 minutes long even with over simplification for some operators. If it is the case, record them bit by bit, then collate together.
I don't mind much longer video.
I did the tier list format wrong indeed. Ideally, I should have split the video in parts, and give more attention to each 5*. But then, people usually watch tierlists to see the big picture. A thing I can clarify from my tierlist is that its based around competing with 6* too. Its no secret that Texas and Ptilopsis directly compete with 6* counterparts.
Cantabile and Elysium are really good but you get Texas for free, and she is way more powerful in my opinion. Even in high end cc clears where dp is a big problem and flagpipe is essential, texas is being used. One thing Texas has over Cantabile and Elysium is the fact that she feels way better in the general content, and she is one of the strongest solo vanguards. Elysium may be problematic as he loses his block, Cantabile is not as problematic, but she most of the time will not be able to print as many dp as texas does. Not to mention the overall Utility and even damage Texas provides.
Tsukinogi is bad, but she is not terrible as some of the other units. Her skills, despite the cringe masteries, despite the talent's conditions are nice. Her s1 gives 35% dodge, which isnt all that bad, invis reveal, and a whatever hps. Her second skill gives 50% sanctuary to units that are below 60% hp. It on paper is not that bad. The only problem is... a 15 sp skill costs 50 sp.... Though, throughout my experience using her, she is bad, but not awful. Tomimi is a better candidate for such title.
Proviso does really solid damage for a 5* and is one of the better 5* out there, Bison is basically identical to Hoshiguma in 99.9% of stages.
Also, I do not show any love to Texas, I just rate her as is. She is simply a very strong operator. Think about how many people use her as their solo vanguard even today.
@@The158Outlaws Proviso as DPS is even a wilder assessment, she's stun utility. Nah Bison isn't Hoshi. He is 0% Hoshi. He would die at the CC map I've mentioned. Where every single digit of DEF counts. Even Nian cannot replace Hoshi back then.
If you love some operators, and you say you're biased, it is okay tho. I never mentioned if you love Texas or anything.
Myself is a Texas lover. But as i said, shes eclipsed by either Saileach s3 or Flametail in general. If this is all stars tier list. Texas just severely lacks survivability into her kit. She just doing normal attacks on cooldown, Flametail could swipe all enemies when she dodges. Saileach having a lot more DEF into her stat compared to Texas, while still providing that Instant DP generation.
Cantabile, i wonder if you use her for her s2 only. I M6 her already, but i can say s1 is more useful. In no way Texas is better than Cantabile. She doesn't have the same DPS, and the fast redeploy flexibility. When she arrives, she was a meta defining operator. Many channels discussed that already.
Why is Bison A-tier, but Croissant B? Do they have that much difference from each other? If they do, I saw Croissant being put higher than Bison...
Essentially bison can get 2k+ defense without any defense buffers, which is a lot. Bison is essentially a budget hoshiguma. Croissant on the other hand is not as good in comparison, she doesnt get near as many defense and her shift is very very very very niche. Which is why when you ask me who should you build apart of those 2 I will tell you bison
@@The158Outlaws hmm I guess other tier list makers rate the twisted bun’s shift higher than you. Luckily, I have Hoshi and Mudrock (plus Liskarm and Cuora), so I don’t need to build either of the 2. But Croissant’s skin with a bike is so cool, I’d rate her higher just bc of it xD
I like croissant more than bison too, and in fact, croissant is on my build whishlist. But I cant put her higher just because I like her more
@@The158Outlaws it’s fine :) I just wondered and you gave your answer
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4 stars tierlist
6* tier plz:)
maybe later, i have plans on other things right now.
Please tell me this is bait
oh yes thumbnail is absolute clickbait
@@The158OutlawsSeriously. Texas’s module REALLY helps with the idea of Texas being used as an opener. Making Texas 4 deployment points cheaper and extra ability damage? That’s worthwhile in my opinion. (For context. That turns an 11-12 cost operator to a 7-8 cost. Depending on potential. WHICH IS MASSIVE!)
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Kroos A but Insider B LMFAOOOO
Insider's damage isnt big enough to make him good against enemies with higher defense, while kroos does better against low defense enemies (typically high max hp trashmobs like chapter 11 eaters or dogs) and Kroos alter is better paired with buffs. So I stand behind my point of Kroos being a higher tier unit.
@@The158Outlaws His skill is literally a +130% damage buff as a marksman lol he does great damage for what he offers and him targeting ranged enemies is way more useful than niggas think, Kroos has stuns sure but they should both be the same tier as they’re essentially the same unit just different a different niche
Throughout my experience with him (I had a friend with a maxed Insider on my hands) I found him quite underwhelming in terms of damage ngl. And kroos has proven to be solid, she also has some utility going for her
insider is hot garbage i agree with the creator
@@The158Outlaws YT deleted my response so idc about allat but do note he is like the only marksman in the game that has as big of an ATK buff as he does so if his damage is underwhelming there’s no way you can say Kroos isn’t 🤷♂️
This video is Red slander😡
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