Triumph Rocket 3 Final Drive Disaster
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2019
- In this one we take a look at a Rocket 3 with a mystery oil leak.
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£1400 for the sake of less than a tenners worth of oil seal, up yours Triumph. I've never been happier to be back on a Suzuki.
You are a thousand percent right! Or Honda or any other bike in the world but a Triumph. Fuck 'em.
Not to mention the ongoing gear box fisco.
Still riding said Suzuki, 14 thousand miles and no issues whatsoever.
Heat and pressure will help to take the flange off. Plenty heat and plenty pressure. Just took off mine. No need for driveshaft replacement
Hey Shafioras, after the repair 4 yrs ago, did it hold up well?
And have you still got the Rocket? 2300 or 2500?
Do they have any other weaknesses?
Kind Regards.
A Triumph with a an oil leak😮 unheard of 😅
James...Excellent presentation ..... looking forward to part two on this saga
At that price I would put it back together and just accept some oil seepage. Was the bike left standing for months at a time or used as a bike should be used?
Great video, just found you looking forward to seeing more, thanks
I personally have replaced the output shaft bearing in the rear engine cover of Rocket 3, failed because was installed backwards from factory, with single shielded side of bearing preventing access to lubrication, coincidencely many bearings that have lack of lubrication last around 30,000 miles, such as Yamaha V-Star rear pulley bearing, BMW F-800 rear axle carrier
I saw recently where someone managed to dismantle a final drive unit and replace that seal.
He took it to a truck repair workshop and they used a big press ...some how and got it apart.
Will try to find it and pass it on.
Great video.
Just a quick note. One of the causes of this problem is a poor/ under charged battery. If the starter doesn't manage to push the piston over compression, it kicks back against the sprag clutch and really hammers the boss on the gear, causing the marks. You very often see that the spring holding the rollers has gone 'baggy' so it stops the rollers gripping the boss as well.
I am led to believe that these final drives were not made by Triumph but bought in from Italy manufactured by a firm called Graziano Transmissions
117,000km on my 2010 Rocket III with sidecar and no money spent on anything other than comestibles. This includes one side of Australia to the other and back. It's been a very reliable and enjoyable motorcycle so far.
incredible
Very similar 110k on a 2017 also been coast 2 coast no side cart tho
Not even ever replaced cam cover gasket? And how is it doing now, in 3 years after posting that comment?
@sailing4009 haha yes... I had to replace the cam cover gasket at about 135 000km. All good now at 145 000
I have another question: have you ever lubricated your driveshaft splines from 1. the bevel box side and 2. the gearbox side? And 3. Bevel box to wheel?
How to keep repairs 'in house' eh Triumph? Design it so no one else can replace a ten pound seal. Low & noted.
Hi Jim, Keen to know any developments or outcome of this project....
The next part would be good to see the customers reaction to £1400 😧😮😲😵😱😱🤯
Plus VAT & labour.
My GSA is off having a new shaft fitted at the minute, luckily it's being done under warranty, 07 with 40k miles!
Yet another exceptional video Jim..👍🏻👍🏻
Unlucky for the owner, I don’t believe that’s been much of an issue on those bikes.
Big bugger that seal can’t be replaced🤯
You win some, you lose some🤷🏼♂️
Bring on part 2 🤣
Triumph sucks. Don't buy one. I have this bike. It's a piece of shit. Don't trust Triumph ever!
I have a 2017 Triumph Thunderbird Storm, I absolutely love it. Zero issues. Long live Triumph!
That's not great design by Triumph there. I'm sure you've probably thought of it but a seal conditioner fluid might work in this situation -- maybe get a few years out of it? I tried some on a Porsche 928 with a leaking rear crank seal and it worked to my surprise.
Did the same on my Porsche Boxster S 10 years ago. No leak since. Going to try it on my Rocket III final drive.
Fascinating stuff. Always so much more interesting when it’s not my bank account under threat 😉
Interesting, as you said if it was your own bike you might have a go. It will be repairable you will just have to get a bit creative with the disassemble.
Hi man it's the first time I've seen your video Great video will keep watching you yours ratty
I strongly recommend changing out the factory lubricants after just a couple thousand miles. Why? Did you see all that black junk coming out of the final drive? That's fine metallic particles (aka abrasives) from the gear mating surfaces. After those surfaces have "broken in" that metallic debris is considerably reduced. That first lube change is the most critical. I replaced my gear lube with a premium brand 100% synthetic 75W-90 gear oil.
Wow. What an expensive repair. Now that frightened me off Triumph Rockets😢😢
Trust me, stay far, far away from a Triumph and you will be happy.
Don't worry just find good mechanic, that will help you if you lack mechanical skill yourself.
Best bike ever, from what i owned
@@shafioras haven't had any issues with my Rocket 3 Roadster 2014' 40k miles (knock on wood)
@@djmixmotomike You had one bad experience and now all Triumphs are a disaster to you.
@@eriksoer Yeah, that's a great mentality right?
A little more aperture would be nice, it's often the things out of focus that are interesting to watch. :)
Should have pulled the exhaust pipe to have a better camera view. Would have improved access as well
WTF. I have a 16 Reg. I cannot believe its scrap for the sake of a seal. What are they thinking. I would repair the dam seal no matter what. How hard would it have been to make it possible to change that dam seal. I love the brand, But this has pissed me right off. Thanx for the information.
I hate the brand. I have this exact same bike. Nothing buy headaches. period.
Powerful bike ...but a bit under-engineered, clutch problems also.
I've been wanting a rocket 111 for ages and was looking at purchasing one soon but after watching this video it's put me off. I'll probably look at a thunderbird now.
It's rare for these to go out on these bikes, but also happened to me on my 2011 Rocket III Roadster several years back. Leaking seal and not serviceable.
It can be repaired if you have the tools and patience. There are some threads on the Rocket owners forum.
94000km on my Honda NC700S have cost me oil, filters, tires and fuel, that's it 👍
Getting on my bike give me a smile every time, still runs like day one.
Sure there are fancy bikes out there but would I want to change?
Never
Safe rides and travels 👍🏍😊
Do you have your pj,s ironed for you?
@@eastlondon666
Well, such personal information is only available to individuals that don't hide behind pseudonyms.
Have a nice day
@@Herzankerkreuz67 Hondas are incredible 👍
I've had three hondas and one triumph.The hondas gave me zero headaches. The triumph gave me endless ones. Fuck Triumph forever.
Hi, мне нужна муфта с внутренними шлицами которую вы, выпрессовали с вала, можете помочь купить?
You don't know ? well I know. Manufacturers are moving towards 100% dealer only servicing & repairs by not supplying service information to non dealer service centres & making it extremely difficult to impossible for owners to do repairs due to the requirement of special fastener tooling to do basic repairs. Maybe in this case get 2 1/4" steel plates, cut semi circles in both, slide them around the inner shaft held vertically in hydraulic press then press inner shaft & entire assembly away from splined drive collar..
If i was the owner kowing that. Id just used it till it went bang.!!
I wonder if they've fixed this in the new rocket 3
Why would you trust them to? I have had a sea of trouble with this exact same bike. If they sold shit then, why wouldn't they sell shit now? No reason I can see. Fuck Triumph forever, buy any other kind of bike and be happy and NOT BROKE!!
Yeah the only triumph I ever owned was pile of shit. May as well have bought Chinese.
@@djmixmotomike have heard many cases on the other side fella's...i have put 40k miles on my white strip 2014 R3R has been absolutely bulletproof(knock on wood) with exception of crankshaft sensor (which was replaced at no cost-2 yer factory warranty) also know many others have taken their rockets everywhere with no issue. I think a big part of it is how you ride the bike; if you constantly quickshift it you'll run into issues i'm told which i do not do.
“It’s not rocket science” no it rocket seals 🤣🤣🤣 plenty of second hand units available for under £400. If you can get one from a trusted source.
was there any updates? did the guy bite the bullet and pay for a new unit?
He got his money back from the shop he purchased it from. I didn't see it again...
@@SuperbikeSurgeryTV owell, he dodged a bullet, thanks for the reply and great vids.
How many people thinking it would be nice to try a used Rocket Three are now changing their minds?
why is that? one guy has an oil leak and you are thinking people wont ride one?? stop it!! i have had many bikes with many problems doesn't mean i wont ride one!! what a ridiculous message..
@@2004lesk01 it is about a leakage costing 1400$
"Pain in the cunnilingus" hahahahaha!
why not just press some high q grease inside, instead of oil?
then no leak.
Hello Again. I see that you have another video that was posted to your channel by someone else: @
Thanks for letting me know it's appreciated. This is the second time this has happened. Not sure whats going on.
only option without a replacement is pop some glue it or just keep topping it up with oil. very bad design should be a recall. won't be being one of these monsters ill go for the Honda Valkyrie
So there is actually a benefit to owning a BMW !!
Or any other bike but a poorly designed Triumph.
Sounds about right with the price, I know bmw reconditioned final drives are £595 from motorworks depending on which model, and probably over £1000 new so £1162 from fowlers seems about right for a final drive for a rocket3, by looking at the parts picture though, i dont know if that includes the internals, it would be interesting to see.
people need to know that if the price of new bikes are constantly going up each year, then the parts are as well when they break. and you never know, it mite have been leaking since new from the out put seal, or at least over the last 5-10,000 miles or more in to the swing arm drive shaft space, and then every time some one breaks hard it sloshing up the inside of the casing, till finally dripping out the end.
and you would'nt really know apart from who ever changes the final drive oil, should have noticed how much old gear oil was coming out, but if it was minor loss then again you probobaly would'nt know, o well good work jim, the customer will just have to suck it up and have a sit down when you tell them. I would be really interested to see what happens mate.
3k for the new drive unit
i believe this issue presents itself doing wheelies and quick shifting this motorcycle which i recommend one does not do as it stresses the 5 speed gearbox leading to other issues.
Seems like a new rocket 3 or no rocket 3. I personally like the new ones better anyway.
A truly crap design typical Triumph in my experience, they are very much hit and miss mechanically.
good luck with harley
It's leaking from the back of the gearbox. The amount of oil from the leak is clearly not from the bevel box. The rear gearbox oil seal is blown.
It's was leaking EP Gear Oil, not Engine Oil. Unless someone had filled the engine with gear oil (which they hadn't) it could only have come from the final drive. So "Clearly" you are incorrect 😁 Thanks for the comment 👍
To back up a previous comment. If you're going shaft drive. Make it a BMW
Ha! I've had two final drive seals fail in the course of a half year (10k miles) so they're not much better at it.
@@ikkieman Did they cost £1400? 😉
@@baccas66New seals were 75 quid to replace including labour, but a new final drive? About 1500 euro's excluding labour. (source: www.leebmann24.de/bmw-ersatzteile/view/btdetail/?series=k44&typ=0538&og=02&hg=33&bt=33_1789)
Ive heard of a bad reputation for BMW drives and come accross people who had to replace the drive at simular cost. Price to pay for no chain. But This doesent seem a big issue on the Rockets normally. 2007 bike and ive not heard of this before. Pretty good really.
seeker143 I disagree. The price for no chain is a extra 8 percentage point power drop fro the double right angle displacement of power.
But a final drive failure is something I’ve only heard of on bmw bikes. And I’ve ridden Yamaha’s and hondas for about 200k miles.
You obviously have no training or any idea on the rocket 111 , so why make a video to advertise the fact !
Are you ok dude you seem really angry? Do you need a cuddle. 🤣