Rambling about Asrock's AM5 motherboards.
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Couldn't believe there were no time stamps... here's my attempt... but as we know, the man has been known to ramble a bit here and there :)
INTRO // 00:01 - 01:51
X670E TAICHI CARRARA - X670E TAICHI // 01:52
X670E STEEL LEGEND // 10:01
X670E PG LIGHTNING // 19:12
Some back and forth rambling // 24:58
X670E PRO RS // 28:15
B650E TAICHI // 33:21
B650E STEEL LEGEND WIFI // 40:52
B650E PG RIPTIDE WIFI // 45:38
B650E PG ITX WIFI // 51:35
B650 LIVE MIXER // 57:36
B650 PRO RS // 1:01:20
B650 PG LIGHTNING // 1:03:10
B650M PG RIPTIDE // 1:10:00
WHICH BOARD BUILDZOID LIKES BEST (for this line-up) // 1:20:12
FINAL THOUGHTS // 1:24:09
Thank you so much!
The real MVP!
Doing the lord's work
Thank you for this, you're an absolute legend!
Thank you
Hahaha calling the E-Cores Cinabench accelerators is perfection.
they are I went from 5950x 2021 to 12900k 2022 I use cpu affinity heavily with process lasso profiles because I constantly multi task modding video editing in the background, on amd I set ccx2 cores for that and it worked great, on intel the e-cores drag your p-cores down under use, next week I'm on am5 intel ddr5 is beta-state unstable I never had so many apps quitting really unreliable, I know I'm going to lose fps for gaming but for once in my life I don't care those fps are not worth spendin almost 2k in a trash "we don't know what we do" plateform that ddr5 intel is
@@fredEVOIX Intel’s ddr5 is WAY better this gen, and overclockers have already shown they can pretty reliably get mem clocks way higher than on am5, sorry your sticks are bad?
With regards to e-core I’d definitely consider turning them off on windows 10
@@fredEVOIX sounds like either you didn’t buy sticks according to QVL or you didn’t test for stability after OC. I have a Unify-X and have zero issues with DDR5.
It`s true... they perform worst in productivity, compute and synthethic. The 12900k perform worst in Sandra suites than the 5950x.
Yes I love how the technical analysis becomes completely questionable due to the insertion of opinions based on heavy biases alone. Really helps with the creators credibility.
i really missed this kind of content, it's odd that i actually don't watch some of the short videos but i'm willing to sit an hour and a half to hear you rambling on motherboards
Rambling about x manufacturer's motherboards is the kind of content I really like to see. The view counts might not reach your expections, but for long time viewers the hour+ of rambling beats anything else on youtube.
Unfortunately his content is for a very niche audience. Safe to say there isn't much overlap between BZ and LTT. ;-p It wouldn't bother me so much if LTT was just treated as the entertainment channel that it is; it's the fact that they try to pass themselves off as not only a tech channel, but a tech authority channel, that pisses me off.
Hi Buildzoid, Brian from ASRock (Malaysia) here - can always reach out to me if you need to know more about the specs. B650M PG Riptide for example is 6 layer PCB.
Oh as for the B650M PG Riptide - used 7950X on it as well, not a problem. Ran Cinebench R23 10 minute multi-core workload test with results about 1% difference from running on X670E Taichi Carrara. 🙂
Hi Brian, can you tell the bios guys to fix the unbearable training times on AsRock boards? With Memory context restore it is still over 30 secs post...
@@vladimirljubopytnov5193 which board? On latest BIOS?
@@goldfries all the bioses. 650e pg-itx, but its general asrock problem. See forums. Asrock tech support says it's amd issue, but after switching to Asus, I have 9 seconds POST and debug LEDs that show the training is skipped.
Oh I didnt know you work for Asrock
@@sjneow :D A little over a year now.
Buildzoid I would like to hear you cover other motherboard manufacturers in the same matter as this video, it was great to see your perspective and methodology of choosing motherboards.
ASRock got a patent during the Z77 era for a weird PCB lattice manufacturing process that makes equal-layer PCBs feel thinner on ASRock than competitors. It was pretty heavily advertised with the Z77 Extreme4.
I totally agree about the E cores, I passed on the e cores and DDR5 in my latest build (April). My build price essentially doubled when I went from i5 12500, DDR4, B660 board, $30 air cooler to an i5 12600K, DDR5, Z690, and an AiO to cool it. I would have been spending almost 100% more money for maybe 15% increased performance. Once I started actually caring about value OCing went straight out the window for me. I get it as a hobby though, it makes a good one and people spend far more on other hobbies.
THANK YOU for being the only youtuber that properly addresses VRMs and whether CPUs can properly run on specific boards.
Be cool to have a video of what you'd consider a good am5. Not which vendor but if you designed your own. What you'd like to see on it
One of the board partners should let him design a motherboard...call it something like the Buildzoid Overclocker.
@@lilblackduc7312 If they can make fata1ity products they can certainly make buildzoid products.
He did a fantasy motherboard video about a year ago, and I guess his ideal AM5 motherboard would basically be that, with an AM5 socket.
If I remember correctly, it has no chipset (so it's like an X300 motherboard), just a load of PCIe switches so everything can be connected directly to the CPU. It might have been that there was a chipset, but that it's only used for SATA and USB.
actually really useful rambling :D , thanks man !
To be honest I don't mind the PG Lightning's silk screening, it reminds me of the "dazzle" camo patterns on WW1 battleships.
Looks kind of like it *IS* dazzle. To hide the vast expanse of mostly-empty PCB that seems to only exist to impress people who think themselves too good for mATX.
lol it is
Love these videos. The Pro RS, steel legend, and Taichi are bangers imo but the price of the platform as a whole is definitely to expensive. The only benefit I see in going AM5 is being able to drop in new cpus in the future, especially if X3D models come out.
yeah in terms of price to performance and features, the steel legend might be the best bang for buck am5 board in general
I think a B650 will come in handy for testing once the Zen4 3D v-caches come out
A truly excellent ramble
Thanks. I appreciate these videos.
The PG Lightning look is called the "naval camouflage pattern", designed specifically to trigger nausea\seizure\confusion to enemy observers.
I was about to buy the x670e lightining, seeing that it was the cheapest x670e board out there, but then I changed my mind. Guess the camouflage worked too well on my eyes.
@@extalia😂😂😂
Those blue/purple and yellow/orange motherboards look amazing
Hey thanks for the video. As far as NICs go, PCIe Gen3 x1 is just not enough bandwidth for 10GbE as 1 lane provides 8Gb/s.
Since Gen4 provides twice the bandwidth, it is just sufficient for a single-port 10GbE NIC. 10GbE NICs that use Gen4 x1 are extremely rare, but they do exist.
Are you going to do an video about all the Asus boards, I’m curious about the X670E ProArt?
Like, it’s it useful for a gaming/3D-modeling build?
FYI: since the initial release of the b650M PG Riptide they have qualified it with up to ddr5 7200 ram. Love your videos.
Went to an Asrock event yesterday. The Carara looks dope in person.
I actually really like the dazzle-camouflage silkscreen compared to everything else, but to each his own.
yeah the white camo of the steel legend looks really good! especially with a white gpu
The B650E PG ITX catches my eye the most. It has a good all around feature set and is pretty tidy for what it is. Only issue is how much GPU do you want to try to cram into an ITX case and cool for gaming, especially if going with a custom loop. Maybe heat management makes ITX kind of a waste for a really nice mainboard/CPU combo.
I got this board, can't wait to build in it. Been sitting on my shelf for 2 weeks now I think.
What Micro ATX board would you recommend for gaming. 2 pci-e slots, am5, pcie5, no digital audio, I don't really need wifi.
G'day Buildzoid,
WooHoo! Motherboard Rambling is back,
While not AMD but it is ASRock what do you think about there being a Z790Sonic🦔?
I'm torn between this Taichi, the Asus X670E-E Gaming WiFi and the X670E AORUS Master. They all have similar specs and price. What are your thoughts?
Well, the pro RS has place for 4 full speed NVME SSDs, that is where the lines have gone. While I basically agree with you on "Why the hell use a new slot type?", I have to say having space for them is important. In theory 2 M.2 slots are enough. In practice, by the end of platform life you may have to add some storage several times and have a zoo of different SSDs... That is what I tend to get. And for me 2 x1 slots are enough to get my audio card and its additional surround card slotted.
On the other hand you care for SATA while having even 2 sata is enough for me since basically my HDD storage is NAS or a single HDD for media.
Its interesting how different the requirements are for different people. Good there are different MBs to suit us all =)
What surround card to you have? Thx
@@thepathnotfound nu audio pro. I don't really use thr surrond part though. Its just a source for my monitor speakers and headphones. Its kinda nice yet I should have taken that top of the line creative card for better support and drivers
Hey Buildzoid, can we hear your thoughts on the new Z790 boards out so far. How do they stack up vs Z690 boards in terms of performance do you think?
cannot be worse as ALL z690 were a scam except the apex maybe ? 12900k has NO SUPPORT FOR 4 DIMMS it never worked properly and I just caught asus ERASING kits from the memory QVLs on z690 I know because I had screenshots from begin 2022 and now the 4 sockets/dimms option is simply gone
another thing I learned is to avoid those heavy rgb,screens motherboards as each of those as it's own bios which slow down boot a lot (z690 asus extreme worst purchase of my pc life)
@@fredEVOIX The Z690 Apex was a complete joke. Tachyon was definitely the board to get.
1:19:45 But that's exactly why i'd be super interested in the overclocking capabilities! I think this board is for those that want a 7600x purely for gaming and care about nothing else. If it can power the 7600x well and also support the limit 6000MT/s limit of the infinity fabric then it makes sene for 7600x buyers who want a good gaming setup - but whilst also maybe opening up the possibility of being able to upgrade to a Zen4 3D CPU in the future in a cost-effective manner.
So, personally - as someone interested in just that - I think it would be great to see a video from you pushing a 7600x to the limit on this board lol.
Wow, this video was perfect timing. I was looking at the X670E steel legend earlier today. I wish they'd put in more sata... anything... than that random 1G ethernet, but it does feel like the sweet spot for that x670e price range and layout.
fyi not only did we lose the 7-8 sata slots on most motherboards but on most we now have 2/6 sata ports being asmedia1061 even on very high end z790 asus extreme and x670e like my msi meg ace and those are trash !!! they are only good for storage drives they have like 400mb/s max and random rw are half of chipset controlled sata ports, another victim of pcie5 useless and lost bandwith
@@fredEVOIX hmm That's a shame they're eating into sata's performance cap. Fortunately, I only use sata for bulk storage, but still
Had it since launch with my 7900x. Love it.
@@unsivilaudio how's the BIOS stability? Any weird edge case annoyances? I have an old x570 that has unfixable USB stuttering issues when under initial high load, which has improved itself since the latest BIOS update but is still broken.
Is ASRock X670E Pro RS worth buying? Or ASRock B650E PG RIPTIDE WIFI?
Is this part 1 of the motherboard roundup?
for me a switch turns say a single 16x into two separate 8x, a mux does a 16x into two 16x sharing bandwidth.
AMD Radeon 6500Xt and AMD Radeon 6400 GPU's do use PCI-E Gen 4 x4 slot
I am glad that I am not the only one having issue with the PCIe allocation/design of motherboards. This around of AM5 socket motherboards (all chipset versions) have had really poor design/use of the PCIe lanes and physical locations.
Could the 7950x work in the b650m pg riptide? Would the VRM be sufficient enough to run it near or at full potential?
YES it can! I've tested it and it works and loses only very very very very very little performance (1% I think, based on what I remember with CBR23). Basically the VRM is plenty sufficient!
Buildzoid, can you do a ramble about the Asus boards. The Asus PRIME B650M-A AX is $199 and I fail to see how.
Yes, please. I like the Rog Strix B650E-E gaming. Would like to listen to a ramble on Asus :)
The Taichi Carrara is kind of good looking imo like the white marble, black and gold accents color scheme is my vibe but its sooo half arsed. They didn't even print something on the board and there is not enough gold. If you want to make a baller mobo that has white marble and gold styling go all in.
The X670E PG LIGHTNING can also use the Asrock Thunderbolt 4 Add in PCIe Card if that's of use to you 😀
I love his reference to Gray Mess.
"Cinebench accelerators". :)
Can you guys please share the link of the video where he explains why he doesn't like the Power and Efficiency cores architecture of the Intel cpus? Thanks.
I'm waiting for 3dv cache, hopefully board and ram cost are down by then too :D
also waiting for them, to get the normal ones cheaper (my workload does not care about cache, at all)
Could you test the z790 taichi? I really want the mobo but no one has tested it.
Can you please ramble about the asus x670e motherboards next please? :)
I also don't understand why we need so many m.2 slots.
I mean having PCIe card slots is just straight more flexible.
And if you really want a tone of m.2 just use a PCIe to m.2 adapter.
I guess m.2 slots are easier to understand than adapters. And the difference in price between sata and NVMe ssd is kinda small(most volumes), spend 10% more and get 3x faster transfer speed.
I would not mind if the bottom 3 slots were x4 wired, but the way some motherboards are laid out and thick GPUs, that would probably never happen. For my next build I’m planning to get an APU on an ITX board that supports bifurcation and a 4x x4 NVMe pcie card.
I have not seen a mainstream platform motherboard that lets you use both a x16 wired slot and a x8 wired slot at the same time, which would force you to put the GPU in a x4 slot.
@@tthbeige3332 I am using ROG Strix X570-E in 2x8 mode with GPU and PCIE to NVME
Great ramble, wont be getting 7000 series anytime soon but that Riptide board was a great board, $500AUD is out of hand though for a motherboard.
Those VRM are 60A. The value is not there.
I'm honestly pretty confused on the whole AM5 motherboard chipset product line. I was expecting B650 to be the cheap boards but also make a lot of compromises and feature cuts in order to achieve that lower price target compared to X670. I was not expecting for B650 to make a lot of compromises and feature cuts and then be only marginally less expensive than the X670 counterparts. The B650e steel legend has 4 fewer USB type A, 2 fewer SATA ports, and a second pcie slot that's too close to the primary all for a whole $30 less than the X670e. With such a slim difference in price for a pretty cut down board, what's the point?
pls help,12600k or 12600kf in term of kinda winning the silicon lottery,k or kf gonna have wider chance of having good chip?
I really like what they did with the Sonic Intel boards and B650E live mixer series. Shame they couldnt be as creative with the X670E range. However I may still be buying the Taichi after seeing how Asus is dealing with exploding CCD's and their RMA policy
14:15 or some basic sata/usb card.(Not that you'd need a usb card save for virtualization pass-through.) Also some 1080p HDMI capture cards are that small. Same diminutive size though.
What mobo with ddr4 to buy for i5 13600k ??
I hate the trade of pcie slots for m.2, people seem to have forgotten pcie is multi purpose a m.2 pcie addon card can be used to expand m.2.
Good to see someone agrees with me.
Now that the prices have dropped on the CPUs-----7600x is a pretty incredible value, for a gaming focused PC. That said, ~$40-$60 more gets you the 13600k, which is an incredible value for mixed usage (gaming and productivity like video work, rendering, 3D, etc).
I think you're right it dropped even more in price, and on a gaming point of view it beats the 13600k at stock. If Intel is OC it should beat it by a very slight margin but without taking into account the heat and power consumption trade off, I'd say the 7600/x is a very good deal. For more versatility yeah 13600k is better.
All of the 28 PCIe lanes on AM5 are PCIe 5.0. But putting every slot and device on the board on 4.0 or 5.0 speeds would require allot of redrivers. So much so that even AMD's own chipsets are still on PCIe 4.0. Hence the difference in available speeds on different chipsets. But what's coming out of the CPU is all PCIe 5.0.
Bought a b650 Pro RS and I keep having weird issues with it. Had to RMA my first one because the realtek ethernet adapter died, and now with the new one I keep having weird USB disconnect issues if I connect anything to a 2.0 port. Maybe I need to reinstall windows now that I got a new motherboard? But it seems like the chipset isn't delivering enough power to USB because it only happens when the GPU is under load.
ASROCK Steel Series paired with a 7000x3d is phenomenal. Especially with the right RAM. Exceptional
36:44 (still thinking about it) but went through the same process with the two taichi variants. I reaaaally like lots of USB ports but would love 8x8. It’s just so close to being perfect. Also RIP the pricing for you, they’re a lot more competitively priced here in the US
I got an AS Rock X670E motherboard on day one for about $250 along with a 7900. I was most interested in the direct to CPU PCIE 5x16 for the graphics card and direct to CPU PCIE 5x4 for the SSD. Should have lots of future proofing. As you know they are starting to place games on the graphics card VRAM as well as other stuff. This will become more important in the future. Works great but you have to use the CPU graphics port for Bios mode.
Exactly, these are overbuilt because of whats coming not whats available now.
"As you know they are starting to place games on the graphics card VRAM"
Who is? People who create VRAM disks for the sake of experiments?
You might have meant something else (maybe related to directstorage?), but no-one who's trying to use a sensible configuration is "placing" games in VRAM.
@@nathangamble125 Pretty sure he means directstorage. Compressed data goes straight from memory to Vram instead of getting decompressed by the cpu first.
Can you do this for the Asus boards?
I decided to take a break from Z series boards this time around and went with the b650 PG Riptide. I have to say, I'm extremely happy with it so far. It pairs very nicely with a 7800x3d and the price to performance is tough to beat.
The tai chi will be the 1 board they've tested the bios on
Probably not the one I'd recommend someone buy for a daily driver. But if you're looking to test the functionality.....
I think the Pro RS strategy is give lots of m.2 not just for storage, but for addons. There are tons of different m.2 adapters for pcie stuff. The only potential problem is that m.2 is x4 which means your going to either be wasting lanes or not have enough. But even then there are cards that come with muxers. So if you can find a muxer that splits a gen4 x4 into a gen3 x8 or whatever. Because besides GPUs and gen5 ssds, you really dont need more than 4 lanes of gen 5 for other addons (or atleast that I can think of). So you use those other lanes for a plethora of other stuff. Just my thoughts....could be wrong.
On another note, motherboard manufacturers should start adding a product summary explaining why they chose the layout that they did.
I get what you mean, but at that point I wonder why mobo manufactures don't just do what buildzoid suggested and add more full sized slots and include adapters for pcie to m.2. In my experience at least, it's way easier to get one of those. As long as you don't need a heat sink.
idk, i like the new am5 mobo's with lots of nvme drives --- i also like that almost all the manufacturers i have seen have just made various different configs by splitting the pci-express bus in different ways
have seen ones with lots of pci-e slots, some with lots of nvme slots, and some with like usb4 and lots of 20gbps usb3.... idk to me it makes figuring out a board easier because now it doesn't seem to be build quality as they all seem fairly overbuilt but what main features do you want
17:28 - yeah, that's sad. I still consider my Z170 Ranger as my best MB purchase. It have everything enthusiast really need.
a lot of the silkscreens on cheapermotherboards just do not complement the components on the board at all. I don't really know if they feel that people are used to really populated boards with armour, IC's and M.2 slots all over, and are trying to compensate for the relative bareness of a cheaper board.
I think they just want to appeal to the ADHD crowd that loves to have perpetual / constant NOISE/CHAOS/STIMULI - "dude bro, LOOK at MY computer Dude bro bruh bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" When really - I'm betting the actual demographic buying is likely to be more affluent/classy at this point. I could be wrong, but - there's a reason why "a lot" of people didn't like the last generation "PLEASE NOTICE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" Honda Civic Type R
ok
I have used Asus for a long time as I have not had issues with them and I know the BIOS layout. Now I'm thinking about Asrock X670E Pro RS. I actually like having enought M.2 slots and don't really care about more than one 16x and maybe a couple 4x or 1x just in case you want to add some AIB, but when was the last time I did that... twenty years ago? The strengh Pro RS has is, two M.2 come from CPU directly and then there are three from chipset. The big thing is though, I'm not sure about the quality of Asrock nor its BIOS. Also unless AMD drops 7000 series prices dramatically, I just don't see the value.
Wonder what a board would cost that would take the gen5 bandwidth and use it for 4 gen 3 16x slots or similar.
Probably expensive, if even possible, but it would be useful. I think there is a product that uses related technology, called Liqid honey badger, or something like that, it’s a raid card that slots 8 nvme ssd in a gen 4 x16 card.
@@tthbeige3332 Yes, that is related hardware technology... like inbred cousin related.
Hope you do Z790 soon 👍
i dont know where to ask but Gigabyte Gaming x b660 ddr4 is enough for 13600k ? (no overclock)
I think not overclocking a 13600K is kind of wasting a lot of performance but yeah that board will handle it at stock. Though I'd recommend an MSI B660 board instead.
hi, one question, is there any important specification of an SSD (controller or Nand or DRAM) more suitable for programming, ML, AI, Deep learning and use of 3D design? Which affects this type of productivity and gives it an edge
I was recently wondering about that nahimic audio that ASRock has, because anyone who makes music should be using some sort of Audio interface, and found a lot of people having major issues with it
1:08:00 Looking it up, there's some USB cards, some SATA cards, and some M.2 cards. Hell, one of those M.2 cards supports 2 cards. So I guess if you just really really don't care about bandwidth but for some reason don't want a SATA drive that's an option.
Actually, looking more into it at least one of those M.2 cards is actually PCIE 2.0, so I'm assuming it's just really old and those are actually mSATA drives.
I looked at it a little too. For SATA ports I would get a mobo with enough onboard. If the USBs are not numerous enough, I would get a powered USB hub because it would not be tied to a mobo slot that would be a requirement in the next board. Very limiting. M.2 on a X2 slot, I wouldn't wanna do it to begin with.
I have the X670 steel legend. So far so good.
Buy our fancy new board, Buildzoid didn't hate it immediately!
Personally, it doesn't have to make sense now, but it definitely should in 4 years. 4 years from now, assuming amd keeps it's promise, I can just drop in a 10600x and get the uplift without an entire new platform. If I go intel, I'm stuck with raptor lake being my last chip upgrade, and I'd have to still buy ddr5 to upgrade.
That' assuming current motherboards are up to par with 10000 series Ryzen CPU's or motherboard needs stay the same. 4 years is a lot of time in tech and the motherboards at Ryzens launch really aren't up to par with the b550's and AMD really dragged it's feet on letting older motherboards support newer Cpus.
@@macht242 It's the knowledge to know that I can take a 5600 and drop it in a b350 board if I absolutely needed to. There's a path for upgrades without requiring me to throw my old one out. I can take a 1600ae and a b350 board and have a clear upgrade path without just building an entire new system. And I still feel that part of the reason motherboards at ryzens launch were ass was because of amd. No one knew ryzen was going to work out and now just another bulldozer. So motherboard makers didn't want to go all in. by b550 ryzen had all the market share it needed to get feature complete boards.
I had numerous BIOS issues with my Taichi Carrara. At first it wouldn't pass POST, throwing a SATA error code, then when I got it to POST, it wouldn't recognize my SATA SSDs that I wanted to boot from. Fan control wasn't working either, PWM mode wouldn't apply. The interface is extremely basic as well, it reminds me of pre UEFI BIOSes. I went back to my Z97 platform since my 4790K is still serving me well. The BIOS on my Asus board from 2014 has a better user interface. Heck, even the Z77 Asus board my dad uses is more intuitive and readable.
The Pro RS has 1 more M.2 slot and 2 more SATAs than the Steel Legend or the PG Lightning
I would like to see the b650 livemixer, i know its hideous, but it has pcix16 (CPU) pciex4 gen4(CPU) and pciex4 gen4(Chipset) and its cheap. I know you Go insane with just 2 sata ports but its the only b650 with this pcie config
I came from the Asus strix B550E to the asrock x670e steel legend (cheapest in-stock AM5 motherboard I could find at the 7000 series release locally). I gotta say I'm quite happy with it, I especially like that now the bluetooth signal can reach 99% of my apartment, and I never have wi-fi or ethernet issues anymore. I also like that asrock's website loads faster. I agree that once I buy a capture card, it's going to be ideally situated in the bottom slot. That being said, I do miss a few features. First, I especially miss the digital error code display. The 4 LEDs provide some of the information I needed but not all of it. Second, the BIOS UI is clearly much worse in many ways. Like, the "tooltips" on the right sidebar are much more helpful than in the ASUS BIOS but everything else is worse. Its interface is clumsy, it doesn't properly save profiles across updates, saving profiles to the USB drive doesn't work and it doesn't properly detect the primary display & there is no way to pick which display to use, and it seem to just pick one randomly each bios update! Third, I miss bios flashing from the hard drive. But it's not a big deal because I just leave an old usb stick plugged in all the time now. And my last rambling gripe is that the manual is significantly lower quality than ASUS, worse english translation making it harder to understand some things, less logical division into sections, less details & styling. Other than that, it's all good! Actually, the ASUS board didn't have it either, but I wish that at this price point the m.2 slot itself had at least captive screws if not a magnetic or screwless design (not heatsinks, the have those captive screws like mentioned in the video).
I can't believe how expensive they've become. I paid a little over 400$ with taxes and shipping for it. Even though I bought it mostly for productivity, I'm a little sad the 13900k sometimes beats the 7950x in gaming. I am eagerly waiting for Zen 4 support in HYDRA so that I can have similar perf. I'll prolly skip the 3D V-Cache 7000 series and wait for Zen 5 and see if maybe they have 3D V-Cache integrated from the beginning. I can't wait honestly, 3D 8000 series sounds like a total beast! Maybe the 8950X3D will make use of all those VRMs? XD
@@MenkoDany , I am too looking at this model. How is it after a year? Anything got improved or mb got worse? :)
@@MgelikaXevi Nothing much. I "upgraded" to 4 stick of ram totalling 64gb. So I had to use a lower frequency and startup times are super long. I've stopped updating the bios because I don't have time anymore. Some bios updates sucked because even though I had a profile backed up the settings didn't transfer and the profile wouldn't apply fully. So now I have to screenshot every single settting page before updating the bios
Looking forward to the Z790 Apex deep dive. Thing looks absolutely amazing (aesthetically speaking.)
That roast in the beginning tho
gratz on the new keyboard, i no longer hear blackwidow's clicks hahah (not that i was complaining, i like keyboard noise)
I'm still using the same keyboard.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking oh okey. it sounded like a different keyboard at a time.
PLEASE test some B650? Livemixer or Pro RS would do fine.
TL;DR still waiting for prices to drop from absurd to somewhat acceptable.
I'm waiting for your MSI Z790 review. None of the boards makes any sense to me
I was looking at which AM5 motherboard to buy, and saw people posting on Reddit saying that with XMP/EXPO enabled standby is disabled.
Anyone with AM5 platforms experiencing that?
That can't be right.
wrong mine has no problem strix 670e e and 7950x
1:07:06 I've seen a few sata cards. :D But those are usually not 4.0 of course.
Man I think you should definitely move to Linux for testing! Automated testing made easy, set core affinity easy, runs linpack, access to raw sensor data, better scheduler...
But no native 3dMark
I really wish mobo manufacturers would stop putting all that 'styling' junk. I want a motherboard, not a lightshow.
Cinebench accelerators lol
nearly spit out my coffee lmao
I'm after trying the intel Z790 version of the Taichi But when its below £400 or I will go MSI carbon for that kind of money
The steel legends is on the top of my list.. for 360 euro it’s not cheap.. but I like the nvme gen 4 on the board. For running my vm’s and dual boot having a fast os drive sounds good to me. Reason I like the 7900 is the power utilization but I’m considering the 7950x. I like the better on board gpu as I don’t game that’s enough for me. Don’t think intel has onboard good gpu ???? And don’t know about heat on intel vs amd
Get a X670E Steel Legend - then maybe you can explain how to properly OC and tweak these ASROCK AM5's.
Not much information out there atm.
A lot of people say that they think the Steel legends board is ugly. It isn't if it's built with the right components for the looks.
Let's go
With amd’s projection that 7000x3d chips will be 30% faster than the 7000 series in gaming, I might finally be interested in which is the best cheap board which is probably going to be asrock
At the time of writing, B650M PG Riptide.
It sucks if you need more PCIe cards than your GPU and WiFi, but its VRM is good for the price (12+2+1 50A SPS - should handle a 7950X with no trouble, though only just).
Will the power handle the 7000x3d? They will be 170watt
I have the B650 Pro RS and its a really good mobo.
Still have it? what config?
@@SacreDro 7800x3d 64 ram and bios version 2.0
I actually have the x670e rs pro ,not used it yet as I'm building next week.
You think it's a good board worth buying then?
@@ertai222 I like it so far. It is a great board.
1:07:25 the RX 6500 XT and RX 6400 are both 4xPCIe 4.0
i want to get 7500f. am i dumb to cheap out on ASRock B650M PG Lightning Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard?
nah if you dont plan to do a lot of tuning its fine, if you dont need rgb headers id say get the hdv though