Melle Mel on Why Biggie ISN'T One of the Greatest Rappers of All Time (Part 15)
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In this VladTV clip, Melle Mel spoke on why Biggie is not the greatest of all time. Along with that, He discussed why Jay-Z is overrated and that he’s not putting Jay-Z in his top list. Watch above.
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To say. Big ain’t in that goat talk of rappers is BS.
You don't understand what Mel was talking about, he did not say that biggie was garbage, he was saying that Biggie's style of rap would not have worked back then, when biggie came along he met P Diddy, and instantly started making records and appearing on stage, with an entourage, security etc, rap music was established! Now in the beginning of Mel's career, he had to do it the hard way, which was rapping on the streets of New York, during block parties, rent it out spaces in neighborhood parks, house parties etc, trying to make a name for his self to get a record deal, without security and without an entourage, just him and his homeboys, so they were exposed to whatever was going on in the neighborhoods, so someone coming into your neighborhood rapping gangster style would be asking to get robbed and probably shot up and get your music equipment taken, so biggie would have been a damn fool to spit those type of lyrics out back then, except in his own neighborhood on his own street corner where he was secure, hope that you understand now
@@markfloors6988 So is he also saying that Big would not be able to rap about anything else I am confused 🤷 do was a battle raper for sure. Before he got with puff.
@@Sldumas1983 biggie wasn't born in that era, so he may be right about that, but if biggie was born in that era I'm quite sure biggie would be one of the top ones,
Mel was basically talking about Biggie's gangster style rapping
Im even big l
Melle Mel is a legend but Biggie was special Biggie did more in 2 albums in terms of influence than most rappers do in a 20 year career
@@hulleciiibowsz1214 that's your opinion and youre more than entitled to it
Melle Mel a legendary Hater
That’s a big negative Biggie only gets so much love cause he was innocent in all this
Youre right bro dont let anyone tell u other wise cause this is true af barely any rapper has his influence and he has only 2 albums and a 4 year career
Two classic albums and all the songs are good on both no wack songs
Melle Mel hates all rap after the 80’s lmao
And that's why he didn't make it past the 80s. There is a reason why Jay Z is successful and Melle Mel isn't.
Mel hated on everybody back then too. He’s the quintessential emcee. Every emcee stereotype you can think of is him, by like 5 times. So of course he checks the egotistical checkbox as well.
I'm convinced!
@@abyss104 true 👍
Yep
Biggie only was known/famous for a smalls 4 years. The impact he made in that small amount of time is huge. His flow is still unbeatable to this day.
No he would still rap about selling drugs and shooting people
Not a good look
@@soloist9495 And fucking bitches
Flow was unbeatable ? Eminem (I'm not a stan ) , Andre 3stackz , Busta, had better flows Big L(tied w/B.I.G in my opinion), Maybe Kendrick?..
NO.Biggie's flow is unmatched
@@theyliveinthematrixofthefa4437 busta just raps fast and big l has a choppy flow
So basically he’s saying that rapping/bragging about street shit was viewed as corny 40 years ago.
Yes and it was was because the drug dealers and gangsters look at rappers back then like they were corny and I heard this from rappers from back in his time
No. He's saying the neighborhood street dudes wouldn't tolerate rappers talking about street dirt. But, some street dudes wanted to be acknowledged by shout outs.
It was viewed as corny because you getting on stage to do a song about what others are doing in real life. It was viewed as something that would get you killed by a real gangster. The South Bronx, Queensbridge, Brooklyn and other areas all had great rappers but also some serious killers. That era was different because it was clearly understood that if you were into music, that's great and dudes would leave you alone. But don't try to mix the two because it could get you killed.
@@zoo05zoo facts
@@edrickamal7155 I heard that too. And it’s ironic because fast forward to these days, every other street nigga wanna be a rapper lol
I don't think Mel is being a hater per se, I think he (as well as Grandmaster Caz) have a huge problem with Gangsta Rap and the glorification of the criminal element.
These guys are grown men who have seen the impact of gangsta rap on young minds. They have kids and probably grandkids. They are not feeling the influence of gun music.
But he doesn't explain it that deep in this interview so he's missing the mark. Melle Mel is just blabbering things, he can't disrespect 2pac and Notorious BIG just because their not from his era! He only gave props to Kane and Rakiem, making this dude is a stuttering clown
Yea because it killed their careers
Even of you dont like the subject matter, it doesnt take away from his skills....those are 2 different conversations.
@@julesgordon1109 For us yes, but for him not so much. He's been espousing this point of view throughout the entire interview. At no point would I ever agree with such a sentiment, I'm just putting into context why he would make such a statement.
Big could paint a picture with a few verses. Very descriptive lyricist with great flow. That's what made him one of the best
Rap, hip hop is more than rhyming. It was a solution that worked. Now it's exploited by our kids. They don't realize that in many cases it's why they exist in the first place.
Big rapped about rape and other shit that wouldn’t fly back when Mel was on or now so he ain’t the greatest
No tf biggie did not paint pictures with words... he could flow his ass off though
I think he’s overrated because he died early. He was friends and not friends with pac. Beefing with pac and others. The junior mafia and also his skill. But he wasn’t on Tupac level.
@@ccf3195 biggie wasn’t on pac educational level, nevertheless pac wasn’t on biggie rapping skills
Biggie: "That's How I Got The Weed Spot
I Shot Dread In The Head
Took The Bread And The Lamb Spread
Little Ghotti Got The Shottie 2 Your..
Furious Five: Let's Whoop His Ass
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No, he’s saying real killers weren’t talking about it on the mic. And rappers knew that if they talked about it, they would be asking for it. If you are rapping about thug and gangsta mess, you were either snitching or lying, we used the term “perpetrating a fraud” back in the day.
100% correct sir
That part! These younger guys can't even understand what greatness is, let alone explain it to the first nice rapper.
We called them "Studio Gangstas"
What that got to do with Biggs rapping ability?
Basically it went over a lot of the “internet hip hop/rap fans” heads lol
Biggie could literally rap about anything he would be on top in any era.
He couldn’t rap about anything, and wouldn’t be on top in any era. He was blessed for the era he came out of and that’s it. Imagine BIG on a track with Killah Priest or Sunz of Man or Gravediggaz, it would make no sense.
@@WayynePain shiiit, let you tell it. BIG was a got damn wordsmith, he could fit in with anyone during his era and now. I could hear him going bar for bar even today with CyHi the Prynce, Royce, Pharoah Monch, Black Thought, Kendrick, Joyner Lucas and J Cole. He would still fit right in, imagine how advanced he’d be now. He definitely was no slouch, his pen game was brilliant at just 24 years old.
Big rapped no conscience rap strictly gangster , Mafioso , sex and flossing
@@samj458 true, he was overrated as fuck.
@@jakobbraumann256 I still love his music but he only had one topic . Pac talked about everything going on in the world and made a bigger impact . Biggie was huge cos he was bringing New York back
1:25 me as a kid telling my mom how my older cousin beat me up
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All due respect to Mel, but BIG was one of the best lyricist ever.
HOW LOL
He wasn't sounded like he had a mouthful of shit most of the time
@@jaywhite9542 his word play, lyrics
Ghostface killah > biggie
@@اَنوار-غ4م it ain't the best Em Kendrick Busta King Los wordsmiths
I get it. He’s saying BIG would have had to be a real cut throat killer to get away with talking like one in an old school street event. He’s not hating on BIGs skill just saying that the persona would have had to match his reputation in real life.
Exactly. And every one knows he wasn't a cut-throat killer. C-gutta was but he did not rap. Biggie was a rapper and that was that.
Thank you
EXACTLY
Exactly he’s specifically talking about Content not biggies skill as a rapper
@@b.benjamineriksson6030 you chatting big was inna streets 🤡s
He’s so caught up in what he was saying of course that would be different depending on the era he came out in. The greatness was his rhyme skills, word play, style etc.
Still doesn't cut it, the point is being the goat...
@Thomas Jamison but you can only go by what was said...during Mel era they didn’t talk about that and he’s right it was separate. Once gangsta rap took over it became the norm
@Thomas Jamison exactly
@Thomas Jamison There are many great non gangsta rappers during BIG's era - COMMON, THE ROOTS,FUGEES
BTW this is the "Madd Rapper" 😂
This interview went left really quick 😂😂
Hahahahahahaha
Lol
I was enjoying it right up until he Said Biggie name in Vein lol 😅🤣😂
Lmao next question is how much crack he did before he pulled up?
@@bennyblanco5366 lmao u should've known he was tweakin when he said he could beat Eminem
Based on that all rappers after 89 are disqualified. Biggie definitely would be able to be huge any era. He would just be rapping about different things.
Wu Tang Redman what fo real
There was no Nas , pac , notorious B1 to bite from back then
Hip Hop was created to COUNTER the reality the artists were experiencing. The fact it has become what it was escaping is tragic.
And most of these youngins in the comments don't even realize that.
This right here.💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
What do you mean by counter? Genuine question don't come for me 😂
@XO The Host you were suppose to battle with break dancing and rapping, it was the alternative.
@@onegoal6100 Don't be a tool. Here's a simple google search result for ya ignorant @zz " Counter - to speak up in opposition.
A counter is a surface used for making transactions in a store or in a home kitchen for preparing food. In a store, you pay for items at the counter. When counter is a verb, it means "to speak up in opposition," like when you counter your opponent's argument in a debate.
dude living in the 80s so hard his front tooth is breakdancing
Some of you dudes got some of the funniest punchlines ever I swear 😂😂😂
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Take all my likes
But he’s got all that ice on tho? I don’t get it. Fix yo teeth melle
I get what Mel is saying. But I think BIG was talented enough to adjust his subject matter to any era..
I agree Big would of been still popin..He just was special! A lyrical genius!
He's saying Biggie couldn't talk about being a thug cuz the real thugs would've killed him
@@roberthealey7739 Do you agree with that?
@@roberthealey7739 Interesting since Pac was like also that after Quad shooting but he gave Pac cred.
@@BooyusJikes I'm from that era when hip hop started (I'm old) If you weren't about what you were rapping about they (the real thugs) would kill you instantly.
He never said Biggie was wack or garbage tho...
Exactly. People just hear what they want too. Big's my favorite, he was just saying the type of rhymes Bigs known for wouldn't fly back then.
Mel's ego sounds outta wack at times so that's what rubs people the wrong way, krs-1 can come off like that too.....maybe its just a Bronx/NYC,, thing lol
If you ever listened to Nas's song "Carry on Tradition", this is exactly the type of rapper who he's talking about in that first verse. The OG's who think because they did it earlier , Hip Hop somehow belongs to them.
damn so Nas threw a shot at the Furious 5 lol
@@davesylvindeckerii4528 It was a shot at the Furious Five and The Sugarhill Gang- both acts under which Sylvia Robinson was managing/ stealing from. If you listen to that song, and then come back to these melle mel interviews it all makes sense now. Melle Mel a classic example of a hater.
@@salprovolone7709 utter disrespect lol but do U agree when Melle Mel says he can body Biggie and Eminem in a battle cuz he did start the real rap and intricate bars we listen to today
@@davesylvindeckerii4528 If Melle Mel battled Eminem or Big, he would get smoked like a roach. I dont think anybody seriously doubts that. I respect Mel and his contributions to hip hop- the message is a landmark track in this history, but come on - Eminem and Biggie are top 5 MCs DEAD OR ALIVE- they are in many people's top 5- who ever once said Melle Mel was in their top 5? Lyrically he is not touching Marshall or Chris- he just isnt. I mean what, do you think Mel would win? I think in human nature, if you say something with complete confidence, you can pass off to other people as believable, even if what you're saying is bordering on delusion. I think that's whats going on with Mel honestly.
@@davesylvindeckerii4528 also just because you start something doesn't mean anything. The first person to dribble a basketball isn't the one with the greatest handles in history. The game evolves and people take things further. Melle Mel took lyrics to another level, and Em and Big took it one level beyond that. In future generations people might take levels beyond Eminem and Big- its just natural progression. Even 50 cent said that most rappers today are better skilled at rapping than 2pac, and that's 50 saying that.
Those born AFTER 1995 won't understand what he is saying, so they perceive it as hating💯
True game I was born in 1995 but I was raised on nothing but 80’s and 90’s hip hop and old school music I don’t listen to any of these garbage ass clowns in this era
@@darianbroomfield8361 Kendrick? Cole? Joey Badass? Rapsody? Jid? Freddie Gibbs? Earl Sweatshirt?
Big facts
@@darianbroomfield8361 nah iwas born in 78 n dont listen to anything but east coast hiphop. Dude said hed take Em in a battle. I dont rock w Em but lyrically he can forget that. And Big is definetly 100% one of the greatest ever. Mans punch drunk
91 he speaking str8 facts not hard to understand him lol they just slow babies
Biggie's flow , storie's, and lyric's would work from any era. I go back to the late 70's in hip hop from the beginning. Biggie was a Genius in the rap game and I'm the biggest Tupac fan in the world.
Did you hear what a pioneer just said in the video ? I'll take his word over yours
He wouldn't make it in today's era.
Not about lyrics no more
naw, im from the 70's to and none of my friends like biggie or pac
King T? Hello?
shut up
Melle Mel is a wild guy. We should have known based on the age durag and goatee
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Don’t forget the crooked hat to the left
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Bruh got tht Samuel L Jackson Jackie Brown shit going on lmao 😂😂😂
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Much love to Mel but I wholeheartedly disagree. Had Biggie came out in Mel's genre with his talent, those circumstances would've dictated his lyrical content. I'm confident he'd still be able to spit with the best of them. That's that mindset that ended Moe Dee's reign cuz he couldn't see that about LL!
You don't know that.
@@anthonymcken6050 yeah I do
I often compare Drake to Big because they're both talented artists that were more of entertainers than hardcore hip hop artists. They both have great flows and braggadocious rhymes. So in my head, to say Big would do good in Mel's era is to say Drake would do good in Big's era..
Naw BIG was indeed a hardcore rapper accepted by the streets as one of the GOATs for his all out lyricism. He crossed over mainly due to Bad Boy's production style (much like that of Heavy D's). The same can pretty much be said for Drake except that he crossed over due to his appeal to women (much like LL). So that analogy is pretty thin. Again I say Melle is being a bit of a grumpy old man & he's hatin' cuz I'm sure BIG would've did just as well in the Sugar Hill era if not better. Hell, Big Bank Hank of Sugar Hill rose to prominence in his era with lyrics he stole from Grandmaster Caz. Funny how no one mentions that
Great comment. I suspect he low key wished he had enjoyed the solo success Biggie had enjoyed despite both having their respective crews around them. At the end of the day I believe that Biggie popped at a time in the nineties when hip hop was exploding into the Mainstream.
Mel and them were 10 years or so too old or should I say early for the big deals with big paper. He disappoints me in so far as he doesn't appear to give those that came after him their props. Everybody has they time. Let the next one's in line shine dude. You had you're time. In the history books.
Respectfully of course.
Dude is in battle mode during the whole interview
He always was in every interview he's done. Watch some hip-hop docs from the 90's with Melle and he's exactly the same haha!
Lololololololololololol
Yea man. The rap league of tyrants and a child being defiant done did it, lmao.
He was a clown during this whole vid. A bitter old clown
Sometimes you just have to let the elders have the win on a topic. I don't go back and forth with my Grandparents.
Truth!
Funny!
Yeah but hes right though.
This like Bill Russell talking about how Shaq would’ve struggled back in the day.
Except Bill Russell has class and wouldnt say those things. These OG's always hating with their "you couldn't have done it in my day" talk. If you are special at what you do, you could have gotten it done in any era. BIG is one of those special people.
I get what you’re saying but at the same time you can’t compare the 2. For one music is completely subjective. At the end of the day it’s whether you like it or not. Basketball is a controlled area in a sense. Where there are rules you have to play by. And numbers and championships are the main indicator for how good someone is.
@@salprovolone7709 Bill Russell told the best centers of the modern era that he would “kick their asses” at his Lifetime Achievement Award celebration. It’s here on UA-cam.
@@Ah-ws9nm You’re kinda right about basketball’s objectivity (rules, points, etc.), but what about the changes to the game. The NBA minus the hand check is a totally different game than the league Jordan dominated, so intangibles like that have to be factored in to any hypothetical conversation. None of this stuff is fact, but I totally understand where OG coming from.
Nah, he’s telling the truth. It was different. Things were separate
Clearly, this man is stuck in a Time an era that meant everything to him..
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He was stuck in 9-5 job after gangsta rap started and his old ass didnt sell 2 copies
@@nightcrawler2717 you mean when gangsta rap went mainstream
@@readingisfundamental5996 fax
I wanna see Melle Mel on hot boxing with Mike Tyson, cause Mike speaks a lot about the early 80s and the violence of that era on the streets . They could really expand on this since he was a stick up kid too.
Yeah Mel would be great on hotbox you should contact Mel or Tyson to see if that can happen
FACTS
Melle mel was not a stick up kid at all
MIKE TYSON
MIKE TYSON
Big would be great in every era. Mcs weren't rapping about gangsta shit to that extreme like how Big did but Big's flow, delivery, word play & cadence (beyond his content) would carry him to the top in any era...He would be able to adapt
FACTS.
But his message was trash 🗑 Melle mel is right
MELLE MEL JUST GAVE Y'ALL SOME O.G. GAME ON HOW STREET SHIT AND HIP-HOP WAS SEPARATE NOW RAP IS FULL OF FAKE GANGSTERS
Fuck dis old head!!
Yawn at the "lesson"
they dont wanna hear this bruh... they wont get it. and people auto hate what they dont understand.
Factz! That's why u have all these rappers that wanna be tough. There's no separation between artist and the streets. Pick a lane!
Truth hurts, yes entertainers were in their entertainment lane back then! Street ppl and killers had their lane but some marketing genius decided to give a dopeboy the mic! Respect Mel for keeping it real! Most of these so called killas would've been breakdancers and taggers back then!
Whenever Glad don’t have shit to say, he always says “yeah I feel you” 😂
F A C T S
They had a 9 to his back and a hand on the back of his neck
He just didn't wanna disagree with Mel, but I'm sure he waa thinking the same thing I was. "WTF is this Nigga talking about?"
There is Nothing more refreshing than a arrogant New Yorker his extreme over confidence warms my heart
Mel..over confident?😕 he definitely has room to speak on the greatest rapper
@@janethoward1161 oh hey thanks for the reminder I forgot so quickly that he's the first rapper ever and the greatest rapper ever
@@janethoward1161 not when he saying stuff like this
Dude got the most gangsta stutter ever.
Hahhaa lol bro ur evil
"En en en en en en en" 🤣🤣
And and and and and
@@gtg305h my nigga,you wrong for that!😂😂😂😫😂
Lol
Sometimes when you get old you don’t know what you’re talking about with aggression lol
Facts this nigga trippin
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You talking like you old enough to say this, you clearly not.
@@DOTHERIGHTTHING1989 salty boomer spotted lmao. Sorry about ur mid-life crisis.
@@DOTHERIGHTTHING1989 chill out you jive time turkey 😭
Biggie would be phenomenal in any era of rap music. People still listen to Big's music RIGHT NOW. Stop with the nonsense. I get that in the 80s there was a clear difference between the rappers and gangstas BUT by the 90s...the street guys became the rappers and the infamous crack era produced the rappers who gained fame and notoriety in the 90s.
Let’s be clear !!! Mel is right!!! But nobody got a catalog like Tupac shakur!!! People stop saying biggie an Tupac!!! Tupac shakur was in his very own lane !!!
Yes, let’s all listen to you.
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Remember he in his early 20s !!! An did more than you !!! What are you doing now !! I’ll wait!!! Lame
Respect to melle mel, he's definitely is a legend in hip hop, but if you watch the interviews he downplays and dismisses almost everything after him. Run dmc,nwa,eminem,now biggie. Sum of the points make sense but alot comes off as resentment and hating.
Facts
Jay Z too. He said Jay Z is a white business man.
LOL noooooo...he is saying the TRUTH
Grand that one OG uncle that tells the truth cause he been here since the beginning of the movement and ppl don't like it.
A true MC couldn’t even curse on the mic back then... Check Heavy D ‘Don’t Curse’
you could but you had to be careful. Even Run DMC had a curse on one of their songs. Nothing like it is now.
Until Uncle Luke & 2Live Crew Cane With The PARENTAL ADVISORY.
A true MC couldn't curse on a record because they ate off of airplay. However, if you heard them live, they used street language.
Y'all missing the point he's talking about conscience rap vs gangster rap.
These ppl are stupid brah 🤦🏾♂️
Smh...people be looking for disrespectful things in everything. He never questioned Biggie's skill.
Exactly he was saying that rapping about all that gangster shit in the 80's wouldn't work because the real gangsters of the 80s were Killin,Chillin and Dope Dealin not talking about it and if you talked about it you better be about it.
I love Biggie, but Melle Mel has a very solid point about this.
Melly Mel forgets that Biggie's composition skill didnt rely on subjects to rap about. His rhymes coincided with his era. So therefore biggie and JayZ would've been phenomenal regardless of the era. The era in which you grow up may determine what you rap about but if you have skill you can do it in any era. Remember, his style changed from his early years and evolved with the times and remained relevant. Most of these old rappers couldnt stick around because they couldn't keep up like an L.L or Jay Z. Skills allow you to transistion into any era if you feel like it.
@@BuckemdownBuckemdown You're right and I can see that side as well.
Much respect OG but WHOA im from Cali and Biggie is my 1A to be honest he rapped about his reality n he was soo sick with his words sheesh
He wasn't dissing BIG. He was saying Big' s rhymes wouldn't fly back then. That era wasn't like today where your rapping on stage, with security nearby. Back then, Big would be rapping at a park jam or a rec center. Real gangstas would be eager to test him as soon as he put the Mic down...keep in mind, South Bronx was overran by gangs in the early days.
Biggies my favorite emcee, but I get what Mel was saying
Biggie, flow, lyrics, delivery #1 ,Pac most influential rapper ever. Big only thing was his catalog was small. Biggie best story teller.
Facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you!!!! AND...I'm here in South Carolina!
Reality checked he never livid in a one Shack an all that he was well off. This came from his mom. But he was ok
Grandmaster Melle Mel is speaking FACTS!!!
Grandmaster Melle Mel should have his own youtube channel for these kinds of topics. I would be the first to subscribe.
Same here!
He’s buggin biggies word play, delivery and flow is bananas regardless what he talks about!! same with nas. I disagree he would’ve adapted, of course hip hop changed over time. His one more chance remix is timeless. It could be played in any era for sure. Damn Vlad is so quiet not even challenging him wtf lol
biggie when he was a kid was actually rapping of course like those cats from the 80s and he switched up and started that gangsta shit later on in the 90s to get signed . biggie was never whack lyrically but the content of his music could only exist post gangster era because the culture wouldn't allow that shit and Mell is right
@@ryanr20091 biggie always switched it up tho all his songs wasn't about killing he had all types of music stop listening to the hit songs
@@beenhavingsht2479 gangster shit doesnt just involve killing its a certain image look that whole east coast sound in the 90s was molded from the mafioso rap if you noticed in the 90s alot of those cats had mob aliases . ''junior mafia'' think about where that came from even nas kind of embraced that style jayz whole style was on some sophisticated mafia shit with reasonable doubt all you got to do is look at the cover . . West Coast started gangsta rap so the east coast had to come up with their own version
He's full of hate for anyone who came after him, he still a legend in the game tho
All old heads do is hate on the youth but don’t help solve any problems
@@connoisseuroftigolbitts The youth are a bunch of panty boys, drug addict, losers. Ain't nobody trying to solve all of those issues.
@@abem.8709 why you think they like that?
cause the old heads are insensitive hating on a young man making more money more successs
they get mad when these young jits have no guidance to follow.
That’s the problem right there no old heads will EVER solve the issue.
Just hate and stay broke
Id rather be broke and have my soul than be like any of the skirt wearing, purse wearing, skinny jean wearing fruitcakes from this generation
@North Philly 215 at least half of these new "rappers" are trash. They are not saying anything new. The old heads heard all of that material yrs ago.
Damn, he's really stuck in the mid-80's. Just because Biggie couldn't have made it in the 80's doesn't mean he's not one of the goats. This is the term oldhead taken to the extreme.
Exactly. You don’t have to be a fan of Biggie but you gotta recognize his greatness.
@@bigplanner One fact about Biggie is that he can memorize his rhymes and go in the booth and spit his rhymes in one take. I heard him and Jay Z did that.
@Sean Mark Yeah of course Biggie would've adjusted, I just mean his 90's rapping style. You still gotta give credit where credit is due Melle Mel made one of the most important songs in hip-hop history that paved the way for a lot of rappers of the next generation.
W
Let’s say Biggie lied About Everything he’s said on a track ...that nigga STILL a Beast ..
Basically he saying if you wasn't bout that life back in the 80s you would of got your ass beat for fronting!! It's not a diss towards your favorite rapper it's just the real! I respect what he's saying lol
Yeah but they wasn’t busting no heads either! People forget these niggas was smoking crack in the 80’s
KRS 1 talked about killing and he even had guns on his album cover he must've forgot about that
@@rollotherevolutionaryreneg395 but Krs one became conscious after the first album.
@@rollotherevolutionaryreneg395
Melle era was the 70s early 80s
KRS era was late 80s
@@Synchronite Hip Hop started in the late 70's and KRS 1 and Boogie down started less than 10 years it's the same era
Vlad speaking of skill. Mel talking about an era.
True
Yall stop hating on Melly Mel actually learn something. Hip hop was not based on drug selling and killing. Thats what the big cooperation white dudes got you all to believe and it worked and put money in their pockets.
Indeed
Wow he basically just have the history of the “shout out”. Back then Street dudes what put Guns to rappers backs and make them give props out loud . That’s crazy lol
Guess you had to know your lane
They used to say, "You can't be a gangster and a dj." That was a popular phrase back in New York in the day. I was there.
He’s not lying tho
Hip Hop was originally about entertainment and upliftment. Just look at pictures or videos of the Bronx back then. The music was an escape from despair and pain in the streets
Witch is why street guys back then didn’t support gangster rap, the industry did
@@aggyxl8170 I grew up with a friend who was a straight gangsta but he hated gangsta rap. He was what he was but he didn't celebrate the negativity of that lifestyle.
@@aggyxl8170 Exactly
Are yall crazy......have you ever seen "THE MESSAGE" Video????????? That's an escape??? Yall wildin'
@@pillkozby2855
I’m Very sane homie
The song is called THE MESSAGE
Listen to it! 🧠
It’s giving social commentary and cautionary tales
Very different from the narratives in the 90s of a glorified drug dealer/murderer
Hip hop evolved for the wrong reasons..now it’s like in the “be lucky it still exist” era
The elements of hip hop existed since ancient Africa. it will always be here. The commercialization of rap is new , People need to understand this. I admire every era of hip hop and rap. It requires talent and confidence to do either one.
People been saying this same damn talk every since the 1990s.. Get over it.. Because your favorite Artist isn't on Top anymore doesn't mean Hip Hop is going out of business.. Old Heads always with that hater talk..
@@kenrickeason no hater talk at all bro..I’m saying the producers are the NEW rappers. Can’t tell me any of these folks can be taking seriously without them beats..you really have to find the good shit in the bad like Earl Sweatshirt,Danny Brown,even King Von was nice.brung something different to the drill shit.
Well Hip Hop is a lifestyle not just rap music so of course it's still going to exist, yeah I just looked at the wrong things that don't interest y'all and y'all start tweakin like a heffa tied up
@@Lil_HooLeeSheet I get what you saying but it going over their heads reading responses,lol
He ain’t lying 🤷🏾♂️
🗣Biggie brought the whole East Coast Back wen dre n Snoop was poppin. Alot of 80s artist Made more Money than they Ever saw Cuz of Bigg. Much Respect, But u wayy off on this one lol🤷😬💪💯
Mobb Deep, Nore and Nas was still out popping.
Back from where?
Wu tang
This is that “old nigga slick hatin”😂
🤣He want Clout
NOBODY is grabbing Crunchy by the back of his neck 🤣
Only his kids and grands
Well if someone did, its either do or die, and most doers from the 60s, 70s, 80s, are not free or alive to talk about it, and this is before rappers were rich and had money and influence for someone else to kill for them . You gotta respect where this is coming from, nothing but truth
Shyt Mike Tyson damn there did that on TV. Them nikkas back in the day thought that was corny.
Crunchy's Different!😏
Rakim always! He’ was the bridge! He could adjust to all hip hop times.
I haven't watched the whole thing yet. I'd love to know what Melle Mel thinks of Rakim.
Rakim Nas GZA n G Rap are all ahead of Biggie in my list
Man I’m 31 I’m just imagining that no way the black communities back then would let this rap take place back then, I mean I think they wouldn’t let you talk gangster if you wasnt as far as today rappers goes
Hip hop, block parties, break dancing were solutions for gang violence. Todays gangs are like kittens compared to those days. A gang on every block. The crazy homicides would skin and burn people to death.
BIG would have rapped circles around any of them ol school dudes. Also if BIG would have grew up in that era he would have known what time it was and rapped accordingly....
Absolutely
BINGO
Big couldn't see Rakim with Hubble telescope brother. He was simple Simon compared to the R. He had some joints. I'm not going to lie. But an emcee? He wasn't anywhere near the top of the list.
With all due respect.
72039 know your history big is nice but cant hang with krs one or rakim you crazy? Kool g rap, kool mo Dee and even mc lyte would roast biggie so do research before you speak.lil kim could give biggie as run. Do you research before you speak about great mcs.big daddy kane can give biggie a run for his money l grew up in late 70 and 80s so these cats paved way for cats like biggie remember that
@@seanfelder3286 Come on bra KRS1 is my favorite MC and Rakim is no joke, but they both came after Melle Mel. But my dude you lost your damn mind if you think Kool Mo Dee's corny ass could hang with Biggie. The wild wild west was one of his best songs and that shit is almost laughable in comparison to any of BIGs hits. And I like MC Lyte but na bro try again. Just because you were the first one to do something doesnt mean you are better than everyone that came after you. Melle Mel and the Furious 5 were dressing like some cross dressing Transvestites if you really want to keep it 100. But I dont hold that against them, I'm just saying Biggie's flow, style, delivery, rhyme scheme, etc was better period. Its not even close. And I lived through all of these eras.
Melle Mel was basically saying Biggie would not have made it in his era- because back then rappers were rappers and street guys were street guys - there was a clear separation. In the late 80s and throughout the 90s alot of rappers were inflating their street life credentials as if when they got known and rich they were still that street guy on the street who would do street things when they had moved out the hood.
So biggie would’ve changed the game just like the first couple of gangster rappers did
I have a lot of respect for this legend because he made some classics but i disagree. Steady B, SCHOOLLY D to Kool G rap and others were talking robbing and killing so to be honest sounds like an excuse to sneak diss to me , i have got this same vibe from Mel before .Just give Biggie his props, more than just the lyrics, i loved Biggie for his flow which was another level compared to the NURSERY ryhme flows of yester year. Biggie always paid homage to the greats so it's a bit disappointing to see a great kind of down playing Biggies obvious skills.
@@deanivan3951 Biggie was great. But was he GOAT? Big L was a better rapper.
@@b.benjamineriksson6030 There is no such thing as the GOAT when it comes to emcees. Only dope flows, lyrics and verses, of which there are too many for one to claim that title. It doesn't even matter, i just love and enjoy dope hip hop and don't waste my time arguing about whose the best. All the best to you.
What does any of that have to do with being the best rapper? Biggie may not be the goat but he damn sure was better than Melle Mel 😂
Melle Mel verse on the message is better than all big verses
Andddd rappers like him calling 90s/2000s rappers studio gangster are now why all our favorite rappers are high key serial killers
🎯🎯🎯🎯 bingo
Simple as that. Now his old ass wanna sit up here and complain all day this man a goofy
That's deep. Even tho rapper's & gangsters back then looked tougher & serious. U can easily tell they had some type of morals. Maybe because of social media. the 1s nowadays.. man, everyone wants the 💰or 🐈& will u shoot for disagreeing. Emotional
Vlad viewers yesturday: Melle Mel is a real one. He speaks just facts.
Vlad viewers today: Melle Mel is a old ass hater.
Biggie is only considered great because a great rapper beefed with him.
That's bullshit
This guy trippin 🤦🏾♂ I've lost all respect after saying that.
Lost respect for him when he condoned his brother's M
Exactly
Y’all missin the point..he talking about the line between cappin and reality. He got a major point.
@@willellis502 actually he doesn't have a point. Cause the question dealt with rap as a artform. So to say that BIG wouldn't have the ability to make it back then cause niggas would have attack BIG, shows you how ridiculous that era was.
Last time I check a rapper greatness should be based on how they rap.
@@maximbelmont4641 man street niggas care nothing about that art imitate life jargon. And her didn’t base it off BIG’s rap ability...again in your fan feelings. It’s a reason gangs and street cats back then didn’t even like the gangsta movies back then all like that maybe with the exception of COLORS....but your response alone lets me know you know nothing about that life so your fandom is all you have to take it in with..emotions in other words. Beat it
I understand what hes saying about their being a separation between rappers and street guys bag then, but that doesn't take away Biggies wordplay storytelling ability melodic flow etc. Big is definitely top 5. And after the crack era alot of those rappers did grow up in the streets, although of course they may have exaggerated their participence
He never said BIG couldn’t rap, he specifically said his content wouldn’t have worked because of that separation
@@racoleman he specifically said that his street content makes him ineligible for goat status
Biggie didn’t do the shit he rapped he about tho. His own mama said they wasn’t even struggling he lied in his raps.
I've Watched That Interview With His Mom...I Know What U Talkin About
Ofc she gone say that she don’t want people to view her or her son that way
Why would his mom wanna remember the street shit he did over him overall? She admitted that he sold dope cause she flushed it. Everybody got stories on big in the streets. And not only that if I knew my son was in the streets but was no longer alive I'm not gonna reflect on that shit either. Ijs. I'm not saying big did everything he rapped about but theres people that verify his stories that got a real street background so it's really up to you to believe what you want frfr.
@@mtdubdachamp6917 Talk to these fools.. PAC went to the school of arts, with a Thug Life tat.
Yes biggie was well taken care of by his mother he chose to hangout with niggas on the street he wasn’t poor like he rapped on his songs he didn’t want to listen to his moms that’s why she threw his azz out coz he was fascinated by dudes slanging on the corner and wanted to be like them
What Biggie Smalls put out basically put those 80s rappers like Melle Mel out of business. That shit still bothers him.
Melle Mel was done by 86', Big came out on the scene in about 93, summer of 93. Their careers never overlapped.
More accurate would have been cats like Run DMC, LL, BDK, BDP, Rakim, Stetsasonic, etc.
Those groups and others are put that old style one liner rap style out of existence
@@BLACK_MikeHammer Let me clear this up for you. Rakim, LL, G-Rap, Masta Ace arrived and rap changed lyrically for the better. Biggie Smalls arrival solidified that there run was officially over. Steasonic was never a group known for lyrical content. They were straight up trash.
@@hoodtohollywood Stetsasonic were decent, they weren't exactly trash but not lyricsts like them others .
Again Melle Mel and the Furious Five were already in decline by 85'/86' because they failed to change up their style with the changing hip hop landscape,
Not saying you're wrong but Melle Mel's best yrs were 82-84.
After Beat Street Melle Mel practically became a dinosaur in the game, cos he couldn't evolve his style and flow
@@BLACK_MikeHammer Incorrect Melle Mel did not decline because he couldn't change up his flow. He declined because of his inability and lack of knowledge to be a lyrical artist. Just like Kurtis Blow, Spoonie G, Treacherous 3, Roxanne, Whoodini, UTFO, Steasonic.
We need more of Mel . Bronx stand up. We say it how it is
That nigga WEAK 😂😂 I just watched some of his videos BOOOOOOOOOO 😆😆
Mel is talking about the days of the "crazy homicides". People being skinned and burned alive. My dad drove a "gypsy cab" back in those days. Sometimes he had to ride them around, or die. No police presence at all. By the time Jay and biggie came around, it was relatively tame. Back in the days there are places you just didn't go unescorted and leave alive.
Skinned alive? Nah u over exaggerating
@@petermanfredini facts he cap
It ain't too many people can say something like Biggie isn't one of the greatest and actually back his claim up with facts. Man the game has changed. Mel is a hip hop pioneer for real Jack!!!!
lmfaoo ya old niggas just say anything to try to protect ya time period 😭😭🤦🏾♂️
Nah, he just contradicted his biggest hit. "I got my hand on my gun cause they got me on the run." He's doing the interview right? If real street dudes would have got to you for speaking about guns, what are you the exception to the rule? Melle on some BS.
Biggie is definitely a top 5 dead or alive greatest rapper of all times! JAY-Z God MC BIGGIE TUPAC LL
j ain't shit
Krs-One talk about street shit tho? Loves Gonna Get You was a trap song In the 80s 😭😭😭
Melle is from the 70s tho
And love gonna get you is one of a few songs in KRS long catalog of teaching thru music not glorifying street shit
According to Melle,(not me) KRS is 🗑. 😄😄😄
remember, rappers are entertainers, period. If you're really in the street selling weight, getting on the mic and rapping about it is snitching on yourself plain and simple. If you're really rapping your playbook on wax your giving a detailed map to the authorities of your operation. Insert DOOM line about being your own star witness at trial. Hip hop is for entertainment purposes only, nothing more.
Rap evolves things don't stay the same
Art*
@@JustinBlazzzee ain’t nothing artistic about rap these days. Only a hand full of rappers today are actual artists. The rest are simply hood entertainers.
@@djn1707 Agreed. Hip hop is actually even the joke art form of the world. I was just saying that all art evolves constantly, not just rap.
Glad: "So basically you're saying you're better than Big?"
Melle Mel: "Hrrrruuhh!"
Of course he is ...hell yeah
@@javierolivas2163 wtf he had 1 hit song if you really think about it this fool just hating his time has past and never made bank plus someone needs to tell pops to hang up the gear come on now
@@innocent718bk he is one of the kings of Rap music much like Bruce lee to Kung Fu ...come on dont u know u Rap History ?
@@javierolivas2163 does that mean hes better then biggie em rakim kool g rap you are bugging he had ONE hit song 🤣🤣🤣 plus bruce lee did jeet kune do
Just because during his time period the gangsters had no involvement with Hip Hop other than going to some club, doesn't take away the fact that it evolved and the gangsters took it over. Just watch the Undercover Hip Hop. So those artists now had the protection of real gangsters to rap like that. Those guys in the audience became the guys backstage. 2pac AND Biggie capitalized off that, 2pac especially. And could Melle Mel hang in this generation or the ones after his? We know that answer
A lot of 80s rappers stopped because as big daddy Kane stated I’m not into calling women bitches and hoes stuff like that I wasn’t raised that way.
Gangsters shouldn’t be involved in hiphop at all because they help destroy the blk and brown communities..That’s how hiphop fell involving gangsters instead of Blk revolutionaries that are against the powers that keep us in oppression..
exactly
Tupac was pushing his "gangsta" image TOO FAR.....and it cost him his life. Even his friend, Shock G ("Humpty") said he didn't recognize Pac (and started crying) after he signed to Suge Knight and Death Row. It's like Pac wanted to embody the "Bishop" character from "Juice (1992)"....but, 24/7. Janet Jackson said the same thing....and Eric Nies (from the first season of "The Real World" and "The Grind") said this in a recent interview, while working with Pac on "Above the Rim (1994)". People IN the industry (not outside the bubble) recognize real.....and recognize when a person is hyping a character.
Gangster rap helped destroy real hip hop culture which is about peace love and having fun. Melle and others like Sweet G was already spitting “reality rap” way before anybody but in a conscious manner.
Still no better verse than the last one in THE MESSAGE to this day. U can only hope to match it but it can’t be surpassed
This man is saying the truth
He sinks himself deeper into obscurity with every interview that drops. His legacy of hating is about to overshadow his musical legacy.
Impossible. This nigga would have to pull some Bambaata stuff imo. He’s merely expressing his opinion based hypothetical situations. It’s like if Sugar Ray said “Floyd would’ve had trouble in the 80’s.”
He's not hating he's just telling his truth
I see what the legend is saying but we're talkin about skill set and not so much what he rapped about. One cannot deny Biggie's lyrical prowess.
Biggie was to raw 🐐
It's hard to take you serious bruh when you have a constant studder
100% agree with him. Biggie could never be the GOAT or even in the top 5 let alone top 10. My opinion so don't come over here being all emotional and shit lmao.
bigga rapped circles around niggas in two albums tho so
Somewhere jay z sitting laughing at this old head clown🤣
As if Jay z was himself a young dude right? Smh
No, Jay would agree with him because he himself is old enough to remember when street cats looked down on rappers and called them corny in the days before big money started to change everything.
Jay ain't studdin this man
He's definitely right on this one. 1984-1989 best rappers of all time
The 90's saw a lot of great rappers. 2000's and 2010's too. All decades had great rappers.
Disagree entirely, the 90s solos the 80s
Y'all ain't hearing him, yo.. He's right
Nahh Big isn’t my fav but juicy is literally an example of timeless music, and every “great” rapper has a couple of those, greatest rapper of all time is different from top influencers of all time
He's droppin some real science, like it or not!
Look up the song Mama by Melle Mel to see his Tupac impersonation 😂😂😂
Shit literally just popped up in my recommendeds....lol
@@KutlassSupreme Same I saw it for the first time yesterday when it randomly popped out
@@richieg8067 that thumbnail for the video look wild lol
To be fair Mel always rapped like that, go back and listen to his songs.
Who wants to impersonate pacerina gettin slumped in his own tutu lol
His opinion...🤷🏾♂️
To say biggie wouldn't adapt to any era is a reach though. There's no telling because he was so young. People keep on forgetting that.
facts.. if he lived even 10 more years. he would of only been 34 in 2007. still young
No platinum rapper ever got killed in the 80s for saying they was a drug dealer or killer. BIG was 6’3 from Brooklyn, he would’ve been okay! That’s back when rappers was dancing. GTFOH Melly Mel
He is one of the Pioneers of this music!!.....if you’re not at least in your 40’s u probably won’t understand!
I think the many are a lil confused. I think they believe when people say "hip hop is from the streets", they assume the 1st emcees were rapping gangsta shit. It was about partying and having fun then. Emcees would throw in street shit, but it wasn't gratuitous like today. Many emcees would even name themselves after cocaine like "Ski", "Blow", or the 1st emcee Coke La Rock, but they didn't rap about that all day if at all.
So technically, Mel's right.
"Niggas lookin' like Larry Holmes, flabby and sick. Tryna player hate on my Sh*t!"- Makaveli (Tupac)
Smh Bad example lol
You
Quoting one of the rappers who got shot to death over the same shit Melle is talking about
Whew! I love Tupac and I am Cali girl but you can’t take away from Biggie.
PAC ain’t from Cali tho
@Augustus Freeman You must be stupid. Those 2 albums are considered Masterpieces!
@Augustus Freeman 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you funny and have no idea what you talking about
@Augustus Freeman if you say so .I know 1 thing for sure he better than Soulja slim and that other bum ass shit you listen to 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Only LGBTQ fanboys love them some tupac 🤣👯♀️🩰🌈
Jay Z, great business man, Tupac, great artist, Biggie the best Rapper of all time
Big is absolutely not the greatest of all time. His first album is ridiculously overrated and life after death is mediocre at best
@@eib3137 Wow!
Who is the best in your opinion
@@eib3137 alot hip hop artist hold biggie as the greatest
Nice layout
That's his opinion. We all have opinions. It doesn't mean he is right. Antiquity is not veritas, just cos someone is an old rapper doesn't make them the Einstein of this ishh.