@@Soundout12 I agree with both of you but hear this. Blu-Rays can hold up on a big number of episodes on one disc like a example The Flintstone The Complete Series Blu-Ray, when you look at the episode list and selection in the menu, you can see how many episodes are there on one disc. Also for Looney Tunes all 1100 shorts are 6 to 7 minutes so they can put a number of shorts on one disc and the same thing with Gumby. Besides I talked to my dad about this.
N Circle Entertainment also did a bunch of DVD releases for the Mario cartoons, all with very barebones presentation (static menus, no bonus features, etc.) and in the case of the Super Show, removed the live action bits (sometimes very poorly) These sound just like what a release from N Circle would entail
@@Soundout12 it’s a miracle they were able to get Sonic Boom right. I just wished the same amount of care would’ve been put into their releases of the older shows
@@Soundout12They recently did the first two seasons of Sonic Prime on blu-ray, if that’s any consolation Buuuuut yeah. Besides the obvious stuff one of the things that baffles me the most is the fact they keep using inaccurate artwork for their Mario and Sonic DVDs. For example, their recent release of The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3 features _Yoshi_ on the back cover, and their one from a few years back had Cape Mario
I am soooo glad I have the Shout Factory DVDs of these series. Those have way more love, effort and RESPECT put into them then the NCircle releases. And do you wanna know the best part? Those were released A DECADE AGO!!!! How can there be such an inexcusable drop in quality between 2007 and 2023? Both these shows deserved way better re-releases, no matter what the quality of the show is.
It's bizarre that NC's previous individual volume releases for Underground weren't just recycled for the new set. Those had three discs each as well as special features. You can even still get them.
They should recall the Sonic SATAM Complete series DVD and give it a do over and remaster the episodes for all 26 episodes and put all the episodes across 3 discs on DVD. And maybe do the same for Sonic Underground with a 5th disc.
8:23 I actually like the Idea of SD on BD. Discotek has done an amazing job with their releases when it comes to all the titles they have including titles from 4Kids. I got the 2003 English dub of Shaman King on SD on BD last month and it has all 64 episodes on one disc. I'm getting Ultimate Muscle on SD Blu-Ray soon and I might plan to upgrade the Blu-Rays for the english dub of Sonic X as well.
Fun fact: NCircle has rereleased the Shout Factory volumes for Sonic Underground, albeit changing the trailers to advertise other NCircle releases and removing Disc 4 for both volumes (They were both audio CDs that features 8 of the "Greatest Hits of Sonic Underground"), therefore making the Complete Series DVDs useless.
I heard that NCircle will release the complete series of The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3. That set will contain 2 discs although, unlike Sonic SatAM, TAoSMB3 have all 13 episodes with 26 segments. The one thing that baffles me was why a Yoshi from Super Mario World appeared on the back cover (both as a image and a screenshot from said show)?
@@Soundout12N Circle already did a complete series set on Mario 3, but all they did was just reprint the Shout Factory release but with different opening previews.
I bought this set because for just wanting to own the series at a cheaper price works for me. I agree it could have been better, and I still might buy the Shout Factory set later down the track but for the time being this is serviceable for me. Awesome vid, you’ve gained yourself a new subscriber.
That's capitalism for you. NOTHING is cheap enough. Companies will wreck the quality of their product just to save a penny for each copy made, but then charge you (the customer) more because they have to impress the stock holders with new profit records.
Yeah I do feel DVD is the modern VHS but honestly I still like physical media as I and I'm sure many people live in an area with somewhat unreliable internet. I mean one connection issue and all streaming is out the door. Physical media still would have multiple options. My PS5, blu-ray player, laptop. heck I could pull my old ps4 or 3 out if needed, and yeah sometimes discs do crap out over time but its still very rare. I've owned literally hundreds of dics over the last 20+ years and maybe 3-5 at best have developed issues and only 2 have become completely unplayable.
I have the original shout factory release of SatAM sitting around somewhere. I got it as a gift when I was around 8-10 years old. I don’t know where it is. I really hope I can find cuz I kinda want to revisit the show again since I’m 22 now.
Yeah you are better off getting the Shout Factory releases of these two shows for the time being till the licenses expire and Discotek obtains the rights to them. I have AoStH from Discotek and I think I made the right choice cause I doubt that I would get Shout Factory volume 3 as that was a limited release I think and it is expensive to buy.
What's ironic is that a few years ago NCircle actually reprinted the old Shout Factory Sonic Underground DVD sets, and despite lacking the bonus music CDs and original cover art, they were otherwise the same discs, with the same menus, bonus features, superior video encoding/quality, etc. Those sets are still fairly cheap to find online, so there's literally no reason to buy the new Complete Series set when you can get two vastly superior volumes for roughly the same price. Sadly, the SatAM Shout Factory set didn't receive a similar re-release. I also dislike how these new versions sort the episodes in broadcast order instead of production order like the old sets. For SatAM, this results in the pilot episode being placed at the end of Season 1/Disc 1 instead of being the first episode. Underground has it even worse, the first three episodes, which are a three-part story arc setting up the main plot of the show, are placed more than halfway through the series and interspersed between parts of another three-episode story arc.
My favorite cartoon from my childhood ( The Real Ghostbusters) had an amazing DVD box set release from Time Life back in the late 2000s and to find that set now will cost you thousands of dollars. while the most recent DVD set from Sony Home Entertainment lacks luster due to bland menus and not having every episode I would love a Blu-ray version but it's only available in Germany. I doubt we'll ever get it here in the States. and who knows if we'll ever get Extreme Ghostbusters as a complete DVD collection.
3:56 That’s not an excuse. When I watch shows that I didn’t grow up with, I don’t dismiss them because they’re “weird.” In fact, I’m curious of the history that led to what I did grow up with, and more often than not, those old shows are better than what I did grow up with.
I wasn't dismissing either show, I just personally don't like either after trying multiple episodes over the years. I watch all kinds of different eras of shows and not just chase what I know from childhood
I wish the Earthworm Jim cartoon had a better transfer on dvd. It’s decent, maybe vhs quality or a little better. It’s definitely great to have all the episodes on physical media. Doubt they’ll do another release anytime soon considering it’s still available on Amazon. It even had 3 discs for 23 episodes.
I have both of these and I actually love these sets, I don’t care about the quality and stuff, but I WILL Agree with the TERRIBLE Design Of The Stacked Disks On Sonic Underground
Stuff like this bothers me. Like SatAM is a fanfavorite series but company’s don’t seem to ever care. Like ReBoot had this problem “oh it’s a well loved series that people will pay top dollar for bonus features and on a blu ray steel book?? Meh stuff it on two DVDs and call it a day.”
Well, it's fan favorite, but definitely not among Sega of Japan. It's surprising they actually gave a damn about doing something with DIC cartoons, they could've easily just pretend they don't exist pushing harder on Lego Sonic and Sonic themed restaurant advertising
@charlesman8722 I get the fact that company was about dvd companies incompetence and lack of care in doing their job properly, but anyway it's all connected to Sega of America which is obviously controlled by Sega of Japan. But again, it mostly such companies responsibility, Aosth anniversary set was done wonderfully and feels like a respect to fans and collectors in comparison
Weird Question What do the subtitles look like on the DVD? Are they mostly similar to what is presented on the Sonic Boom Blu-ray or any other N Circle or Mill Creek DVD or Blu-ray?
@@Soundout12 The subtitles on my copy of Lords of Dogtown Unrated Extended Edition on Blu-ray are almost yellow but they’re a really bright tan and are almost a comparison to some Sony Pictures Blu-rays and any other Blu-ray with that style of subtitles. When you check tell me what they look like and maybe what color they are and what style are they compared to other Blu-ray and DVD subtitles because I haven’t seen any subtitles on any N Circle DVD or blu-ray because the ones I have don’t even have subtitles.
@@Shantae-June22002 On SatAm, Underground and Boom Subtitles are white with a bit of a black outline They seem pretty industry standard for font and sizing
For what it's worth, "Sonic Underground" on DVD will always be at an unfair disadvantage, since that show was produced in Europe with 576i resolution and 25fps, so any American DVDs will be stuck with a downscaled 480i and blended 30fps.
While I think your criticisms are generally valid, it's hard to say exactly where the fault lies in terms of the transfer without knowing what the status of the film is. I might still pick the satAM collection up to see what AI upscaling can do with it.
From what I can tell and have surmised from details online, the masters Wild Brain has are from old, but are of a lower quality than the masters used on ShoutFactory’s earlier DVDs. I have no idea if the original film or tape still exists for a new master to be made from. Upscaling is probably the only option.
@@Soundout12 I've gotten some pretty good results with my custom Super Mario Bros. Super Show models, and I'm continuing to improve my processes there.
Hopefully they don’t screw up The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3 even more than they did it with the box art of the DVD putting Yoshi and Super Mario World screenshots on the back of the case, they also better not screw up the video presentation for it.
Honestly, either the old Shout! Factory set from 2007 or the previous series of six individual volumes NCircle did of Sonic SATAM are by far much better releases. Now, the caveat with the latter is the episodes are in sideways order out of sequence but quality wise with being 4 to 5 episodes per disc it's definitely better than the mess this complete set is. I'm just going to settle with getting either of the above to have a good quality version of SATAM in my collection.
@Soundout12 Yeah, so i might just be going with the NCircle single disc releases. I've looked at prices for the Shout! set and as expected for an OOP release it's going for a pretty penny these days. The individual volumes may have the episodes out of sequence, but i've seen them going for dirt cheap on Amazon used.
@Soundout12 True, that's certainly the much less pricey option. I mean yeah, the individual volumes are bare bones compared to the Shout! set and the episodes in completely random order but it's definitely better quality wise than the new set from what i've seen.
Shout factory's Sonic the Hedgehog SatAM and Underground were better than this, Sonic the Hedgehog SatAM had used fan art for the inside dvd cover, it looked really nice, I think the disc used fan art as well, there were extras and better menus, Shout factory's sets feel more like 30th anniversary sets than what NCircle did, SD on blu ray would be super easy to do for satam and Underground, it happened with aosth.
N Circle doesn’t value older shows unlike newer shows which is why Sonic SatAM was treated poorly but Sonic Boom was treated better. Plus not everyone would value Sonic SatAM as a good show nonetheless.
The same Sega of Japan who’s own stubbornness cost them the Console Wars of the 90’s, Sonic being in a rut more than once and probably the reason we’re not getting Sonic Mania 2 because they just can’t swallow their pride; they have to be the ones to get the last word over Sega of America above all else. They’re as bad as Toho and Toei when it comes to working with them outside of Japan and just as stubborn to meet halfway.
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N "we're not aware Blu Rays are actually cheaper" Circle
N Circle also did "The Super Mario Bros. Super Show" dirty by ignoring the live action segments and just making it purely the cartoon segments.
@@supermariof0521WHAT.
Tbh 10 episodes per disc is the maximum you'd want on a single dual-layered DVD. Anything above that and quality takes a nosedive.
Agreed!
@@Soundout12 I agree with both of you but hear this. Blu-Rays can hold up on a big number of episodes on one disc like a example The Flintstone The Complete Series Blu-Ray, when you look at the episode list and selection in the menu, you can see how many episodes are there on one disc. Also for Looney Tunes all 1100 shorts are 6 to 7 minutes so they can put a number of shorts on one disc and the same thing with Gumby. Besides I talked to my dad about this.
N Circle Entertainment also did a bunch of DVD releases for the Mario cartoons, all with very barebones presentation (static menus, no bonus features, etc.) and in the case of the Super Show, removed the live action bits (sometimes very poorly)
These sound just like what a release from N Circle would entail
Really sounds like Sonic Boom was the exception here
@@Soundout12 it’s a miracle they were able to get Sonic Boom right. I just wished the same amount of care would’ve been put into their releases of the older shows
@@AkiraLionPilot Agreed
@@Soundout12They recently did the first two seasons of Sonic Prime on blu-ray, if that’s any consolation
Buuuuut yeah. Besides the obvious stuff one of the things that baffles me the most is the fact they keep using inaccurate artwork for their Mario and Sonic DVDs. For example, their recent release of The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3 features _Yoshi_ on the back cover, and their one from a few years back had Cape Mario
I am soooo glad I have the Shout Factory DVDs of these series. Those have way more love, effort and RESPECT put into them then the NCircle releases. And do you wanna know the best part? Those were released A DECADE AGO!!!! How can there be such an inexcusable drop in quality between 2007 and 2023? Both these shows deserved way better re-releases, no matter what the quality of the show is.
Agreed!
Same
"Sonic with a mustache" is Uncle Chuck before he was roboticized
Good to know!
I was actually looking into the SATam and Underground releases to replace the older ones I have. But sounds like I should probably hang onto them.
Definitely hang on to them!
0:23 I love that the title is answered only 20 seconds in the video 😂
Can’t say I’m not efficient 😂
It's bizarre that NC's previous individual volume releases for Underground weren't just recycled for the new set. Those had three discs each as well as special features. You can even still get them.
It’s very bizarre for sure. They ultimately did more work to make an inferior product
And those old ones were just reprinted Shout Factory sets. Why not do that again?
They should recall the Sonic SATAM Complete series DVD and give it a do over and remaster the episodes for all 26 episodes and put all the episodes across 3 discs on DVD.
And maybe do the same for Sonic Underground with a 5th disc.
8:23 I actually like the Idea of SD on BD. Discotek has done an amazing job with their releases when it comes to all the titles they have including titles from 4Kids. I got the 2003 English dub of Shaman King on SD on BD last month and it has all 64 episodes on one disc. I'm getting Ultimate Muscle on SD Blu-Ray soon and I might plan to upgrade the Blu-Rays for the english dub of Sonic X as well.
SDBD is such a great way to release SD shows!
Sucks that it's almost not talked about, but thank you for mentioning it
Fun fact: NCircle has rereleased the Shout Factory volumes for Sonic Underground, albeit changing the trailers to advertise other NCircle releases and removing Disc 4 for both volumes (They were both audio CDs that features 8 of the "Greatest Hits of Sonic Underground"), therefore making the Complete Series DVDs useless.
Sonic Underground NEEDS a revival! The prophecy never came true! It's been 25 years!
I heard that NCircle will release the complete series of The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3. That set will contain 2 discs although, unlike Sonic SatAM, TAoSMB3 have all 13 episodes with 26 segments. The one thing that baffles me was why a Yoshi from Super Mario World appeared on the back cover (both as a image and a screenshot from said show)?
If its 13 half hour episodes on 2 discs, it should be fine.
Honestly the packaging on all of these is a little wonky lol
@@Soundout12N Circle already did a complete series set on Mario 3, but all they did was just reprint the Shout Factory release but with different opening previews.
@@supermariof0521 That’s such a strange change to make
They need to redo that upcoming release to fix the problems.
@@supermariof0521 And logos.
I bought this set because for just wanting to own the series at a cheaper price works for me.
I agree it could have been better, and I still might buy the Shout Factory set later down the track but for the time being this is serviceable for me.
Awesome vid, you’ve gained yourself a new subscriber.
That's capitalism for you. NOTHING is cheap enough. Companies will wreck the quality of their product just to save a penny for each copy made, but then charge you (the customer) more because they have to impress the stock holders with new profit records.
For real
Yeah I do feel DVD is the modern VHS but honestly I still like physical media as I and I'm sure many people live in an area with somewhat unreliable internet. I mean one connection issue and all streaming is out the door. Physical media still would have multiple options. My PS5, blu-ray player, laptop. heck I could pull my old ps4 or 3 out if needed, and yeah sometimes discs do crap out over time but its still very rare. I've owned literally hundreds of dics over the last 20+ years and maybe 3-5 at best have developed issues and only 2 have become completely unplayable.
I have the original shout factory release of SatAM sitting around somewhere. I got it as a gift when I was around 8-10 years old. I don’t know where it is. I really hope I can find cuz I kinda want to revisit the show again since I’m 22 now.
That Shout release is definitely the best way to watch the show. I hope you can find it!
not everyone can afford, a Blu Ray player. which is why i prefer DVD.
I second this, DVDs are still produced for a reason.
Most of my collection are DVDs, I have some Blu Rays but my DVDs outweigh them.
Yeah you are better off getting the Shout Factory releases of these two shows for the time being till the licenses expire and Discotek obtains the rights to them. I have AoStH from Discotek and I think I made the right choice cause I doubt that I would get Shout Factory volume 3 as that was a limited release I think and it is expensive to buy.
What's ironic is that a few years ago NCircle actually reprinted the old Shout Factory Sonic Underground DVD sets, and despite lacking the bonus music CDs and original cover art, they were otherwise the same discs, with the same menus, bonus features, superior video encoding/quality, etc. Those sets are still fairly cheap to find online, so there's literally no reason to buy the new Complete Series set when you can get two vastly superior volumes for roughly the same price. Sadly, the SatAM Shout Factory set didn't receive a similar re-release.
I also dislike how these new versions sort the episodes in broadcast order instead of production order like the old sets. For SatAM, this results in the pilot episode being placed at the end of Season 1/Disc 1 instead of being the first episode. Underground has it even worse, the first three episodes, which are a three-part story arc setting up the main plot of the show, are placed more than halfway through the series and interspersed between parts of another three-episode story arc.
My favorite cartoon from my childhood ( The Real Ghostbusters) had an amazing DVD box set release from Time Life back in the late 2000s and to find that set now will cost you thousands of dollars. while the most recent DVD set from Sony Home Entertainment lacks luster due to bland menus and not having every episode I would love a Blu-ray version but it's only available in Germany. I doubt we'll ever get it here in the States. and who knows if we'll ever get Extreme Ghostbusters as a complete DVD collection.
I wish we could get better Ghostbusters releases for real
3:56 That’s not an excuse. When I watch shows that I didn’t grow up with, I don’t dismiss them because they’re “weird.” In fact, I’m curious of the history that led to what I did grow up with, and more often than not, those old shows are better than what I did grow up with.
I wasn't dismissing either show, I just personally don't like either after trying multiple episodes over the years. I watch all kinds of different eras of shows and not just chase what I know from childhood
@@Soundout12So do I with as open a mind as possible, but whatever floats your boat.
“Whereas now they’re gonna skip them on by and hope the license expires and somebody else gets them.”
This.
Sonic underground was a good series except that they cancelled it before the last 12 episodes was made leaving it on episode 40 on a cliffhanger. 😔.
Pain
Mid
Making a reboot of it so no worries.
I wish the Earthworm Jim cartoon had a better transfer on dvd. It’s decent, maybe vhs quality or a little better. It’s definitely great to have all the episodes on physical media. Doubt they’ll do another release anytime soon considering it’s still available on Amazon. It even had 3 discs for 23 episodes.
4:26 “Ya Pay What You Get For” I Think You Said That Wrong
I definitely did
I have both of these and I actually love these sets, I don’t care about the quality and stuff, but I WILL Agree with the TERRIBLE Design Of The Stacked Disks On Sonic Underground
Underground is one of the childhood shows of mine. 😅
Stuff like this bothers me. Like SatAM is a fanfavorite series but company’s don’t seem to ever care. Like ReBoot had this problem “oh it’s a well loved series that people will pay top dollar for bonus features and on a blu ray steel book?? Meh stuff it on two DVDs and call it a day.”
Well, it's fan favorite, but definitely not among Sega of Japan. It's surprising they actually gave a damn about doing something with DIC cartoons, they could've easily just pretend they don't exist pushing harder on Lego Sonic and Sonic themed restaurant advertising
/@@ashesGeek Ok you missed the point of the comment ENTIRELY.
@charlesman8722 I get the fact that company was about dvd companies incompetence and lack of care in doing their job properly, but anyway it's all connected to Sega of America which is obviously controlled by Sega of Japan.
But again, it mostly such companies responsibility, Aosth anniversary set was done wonderfully and feels like a respect to fans and collectors in comparison
Weird Question
What do the subtitles look like on the DVD?
Are they mostly similar to what is presented on the Sonic Boom Blu-ray or any other N Circle or Mill Creek DVD or Blu-ray?
I honestly never checked, but now I’m curious
@@Soundout12 The subtitles on my copy of Lords of Dogtown Unrated Extended Edition on Blu-ray are almost yellow but they’re a really bright tan and are almost a comparison to some Sony Pictures Blu-rays and any other Blu-ray with that style of subtitles.
When you check tell me what they look like and maybe what color they are and what style are they compared to other Blu-ray and DVD subtitles because I haven’t seen any subtitles on any N Circle DVD or blu-ray because the ones I have don’t even have subtitles.
@@Shantae-June22002 On SatAm, Underground and Boom Subtitles are white with a bit of a black outline
They seem pretty industry standard for font and sizing
@@Soundout12 interesting
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THE THRONE AWAITS
A SEER WARNS OF A DEADLY FATE
GIVE UP YOUR CHILDREN
SEPERATE
For what it's worth, "Sonic Underground" on DVD will always be at an unfair disadvantage, since that show was produced in Europe with 576i resolution and 25fps, so any American DVDs will be stuck with a downscaled 480i and blended 30fps.
Taking all that into consideration, the Underground DVD isn’t too bad
out of print in the uk so to get anything physical whether locked or not is a win.
Since you said it's a problem with the masters, do we actually know if the old DVDs have better video quality?
From what I understand, Shout factory had much higher quality masters when they released the shows
yeah shout factory's satam dvd release is the best quality you'll ever get out of satam
While I think your criticisms are generally valid, it's hard to say exactly where the fault lies in terms of the transfer without knowing what the status of the film is. I might still pick the satAM collection up to see what AI upscaling can do with it.
From what I can tell and have surmised from details online, the masters Wild Brain has are from old, but are of a lower quality than the masters used on ShoutFactory’s earlier DVDs.
I have no idea if the original film or tape still exists for a new master to be made from. Upscaling is probably the only option.
@@Soundout12 I've gotten some pretty good results with my custom Super Mario Bros. Super Show models, and I'm continuing to improve my processes there.
shout factory forever!!!!
Hopefully they don’t screw up The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3 even more than they did it with the box art of the DVD putting Yoshi and Super Mario World screenshots on the back of the case, they also better not screw up the video presentation for it.
Hopefully with that show being much shorter, the disc compression won’t be an issue
Honestly, either the old Shout! Factory set from 2007 or the previous series of six individual volumes NCircle did of Sonic SATAM are by far much better releases. Now, the caveat with the latter is the episodes are in sideways order out of sequence but quality wise with being 4 to 5 episodes per disc it's definitely better than the mess this complete set is.
I'm just going to settle with getting either of the above to have a good quality version of SATAM in my collection.
That’s a good plan!
@Soundout12 Yeah, so i might just be going with the NCircle single disc releases. I've looked at prices for the Shout! set and as expected for an OOP release it's going for a pretty penny these days.
The individual volumes may have the episodes out of sequence, but i've seen them going for dirt cheap on Amazon used.
@@justinmiddleton8818 Definitely sounds like the better plan
@Soundout12 True, that's certainly the much less pricey option. I mean yeah, the individual volumes are bare bones compared to the Shout! set and the episodes in completely random order but it's definitely better quality wise than the new set from what i've seen.
@@justinmiddleton8818 Having more discs helps for sure
The thing is wildbrain who owns cookie jar has better quality or remastered masters on thier UA-cam
You think this is bad, you should see N Circle's shitty treatment of "The Super Mario Bros. Super Show".
Nice
Shout factory's Sonic the Hedgehog SatAM and Underground were better than this, Sonic the Hedgehog SatAM had used fan art for the inside dvd cover, it looked really nice, I think the disc used fan art as well, there were extras and better menus, Shout factory's sets feel more like 30th anniversary sets than what NCircle did, SD on blu ray would be super easy to do for satam and Underground, it happened with aosth.
N Circle doesn’t value older shows unlike newer shows which is why Sonic SatAM was treated poorly but Sonic Boom was treated better. Plus not everyone would value Sonic SatAM as a good show nonetheless.
DVD's only exist because of casuals.
Generational bias. Sega of Japan's fault...
The same Sega of Japan who’s own stubbornness cost them the Console Wars of the 90’s, Sonic being in a rut more than once and probably the reason we’re not getting Sonic Mania 2 because they just can’t swallow their pride; they have to be the ones to get the last word over Sega of America above all else. They’re as bad as Toho and Toei when it comes to working with them outside of Japan and just as stubborn to meet halfway.