🚨NEW Predator 212cc Ghost👻 Racing Kart Engine - Harbor Freight Ghost 👻 Engine
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- Опубліковано 11 кві 2022
- Today we unbox and take a first look at the new Harbor Freight Predator 212cc Ghost 👻 racing kart engine. This is a box stock style racing engine for an asphalt racing kart. The new Ghost has a 6000 rpm digital governor, heavy valve springs, top plate, and VM22 round slide carb. The engine will not come with an air filter, exhaust, gas tank out of the box. We put the engine on our trail master mini bike for a first test ride. Let us know what you think and don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more!!!
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Any idea when these will be available for purchase
In the next week or so.
Nice might pick one uo myself and see how she does on the old manco 405
at my harbor freight
These will be used for racing with engine rules mainly, everybody else will be better off using something with a bit nore grunt
@@rickburnout666 remember not everyone wants to take on removing the “guvnah” or the flywheel. So for that person who wants something that’s peppier than ya average pressure washer motor, but don’t wanna get their hands dirty, @300 … shooot mang, sounds like it’s perfect. My man from E.T. Is right, this is targeted @ dudes racing stock circuit classes with motors like briggs and stuff. This motor cuts them Wisconsin boys down by more than half on price point.
It certainly ain’t for guys like us, where very simple mods will make a 224 scoooooooot.
Thank you for all that you do. Really clear specs up, humorous, and factual. I bought one of these engines and mated it with my old Carter go-kart frame. It rips, yes. Reliable. No complaints at all. Diving into valve springs, push rods, connecting rods, flywheels and billet side cover. All to upgrade to a live axel and hydraulic disc brakes,
Whoever did the edits when Eric was opening the box is on point!!
That audio made me laugh hard..Great stuff..
I almost looked over my shoulder for a ninja or something...Lordt
The reason for classes in karting is for a level playing field. This engine is slightly above base model 212, with a better starting platform for mods, but that's not the role it's made to fill. It's geared toward racing out of the box and it will be a standard format to build more affordable karting leagues around.
I'm glad to see it, and hoping that this will open up the kart racing world to more people who cant afford (or don't know about) LO206/Animal/WF racing leagues.
That was the idea behind converting to the clone from the Briggs flathead. More affordable. More available, and level (ish) playing field. By the time I got out of kart racing it was over 1000 usd for a good Honda clone that could compete at the top. It has merely replaced the Briggs flathead at this point as far as being super expensive to be competitive (outside of local track amateur classes). Man I miss it but the amount of work that goes into being competitive in kart racing is crazy. Got burned out on it. A race car is cheaper, easier to maintain and from my experience alot less work. Lol.
Base 212 in my opinion is better , don’t gotta worry about restriction on mods like flywheels and losing your higher rev limit. The ghost is more for people who just want to buy a “race engine” then spend another 2-300$ on a kit of plug and play accessories to complete it 😂 don’t get me wrong to each their own but I feel like if your gonna get into something you need to learn it
Just a reminder to some of your younger viewers. The sheet metal coming around the fins on the block and head is there to form a cooling cowling. Too many young minibike hobbyist think the is optional heat shield. Not the case, this sheet metal is there to keep the flywheel fan air moving in-between the fins for proper cooling. If you remove this sheet metal the fan pushed air will not stay in between the fins and the engine can over heat.
I've removed that shroud on every single predator I've built. not once have I had cooling issues
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Man, the last engine I built was a EC Carbs 236cc Tilly stroker. There is just no going back from there. Such a torque monster. But also almost three times total $ for the build.
I went with the Tillotson 212, billet rod and flywheel, gov removed, hot 265 cam, 22lb springs, TCT mechanical fuel injection, mb200 super pipe...built my own frame and forks from square tube ;)
I like Tillotson also. This motor is 300 bucks.
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I have been watching you for a while please keep it up I have been learning a lot from you thanks dude
As soon as this is available at my local Habor Freight, I’m snagging one. I believe this is the next wave of box stock karting classes.
Exactly
Provide they are built to quality controlled specs. If they are built anything like the predators we are used to seeing we will be pulling our hair out in the tech shed and pisses a lot of people off. LOL
@@bryanwesley5410 they are bought at harbor freight fellas. Dont expect to much in the way of specs. They will be all over the place.
Tillotson did this couple years ago lol predator is late
This will never be raced widely. The Briggs 206 is locked and they have very good parity. These HF engines have neither and therefore would need blueprinted…. And no one wants to go back to the money burning process of blueprinting. The secret sauce to making LO206 racing affordable is the lock on the block. I wouldn’t race this engine if I got 10 for free, it would still be way too expensive.
You don't know how much you just helped me just the unboxing and telling us about it rlly helped thx bro ❤
I'm brand new to minibiking/Karting and these seems dope can't wait to get my hands on one! Love the videos btw very informative and helpful!
Thank you for being so useful answer so many of my questions within 2 videos
I'm very happy with my Tillotson 225r. And I've had everything from stock 212 to stage 4 212.
Nice video, thank you. I’m a new subscriber and totally enjoyed this video. I’ve been involved with kart racing for 34 years now. All 2 stroke engines. I currently have a shifter kart and a grandson interested in getting in a kart. But he definitely does not need to be in my kart. I came across a video last night on the HF 212cc Ghost engine. It peaked my interest. My wife and I discussed this engine over coffee this morning. So old 64 year old Papaw ran his happy butt down to Harbor Freight and grabbed a new 212cc Ghost Engine and the accessories package. Been reading up a little today and then came across your channel this evening. I love the way you unboxed this engine. Honest opinion and no BS. I’m anxious to watch more of your videos. I feel you will help me cut down my learning curve on 4 stroke engines. I sure hope so, because I know nothing about them. I’d like to keep this stock starting out. But I did pick up on your recommendation of replacing the cast iron flywheel from the get go. Kind of curious as to the best oil, spark plug, type of clutch or torque converter that you would recommend if you don’t mind? Any and all information or options would be greatly appreciated. Can’t wait to start through your previous videos that could help me with this Ghost engine. Keep up the great video work. Totally loving your style. God bless.
Red Beard,
Been with you for years, since the humble beginnings.
Love your channel, family and thanks for keeping it classy.
Thanks for sticking around!
I would absolutely buy one... It's an excellent platform for beginners
Im sticking with tilloston love my engine…. And because y’all and cars and camera made me look into it I realized that go fast parts dont cost much more then literally everything else I spent so give it a month I’ll probably have a carb, flywheel, cam, etc
honestly id love for them to offer 1 CC rating, but different performance options.
like start with "base" model, then include a stage 1 (better carb, better exhaust), stage 2 (carb, exhaust, flywheel, cam springs, and rod.), stage 3 (all of stage 2+ cam upgrade, and taller valve cover, heavier springs, better (dished) piston, rings, and maybe even a pumper carb or a combo velocity-pumper style, and a custom exhaust header for higher flow rates, with intake and exhaust porting.
Nice looking engine! Subscribed! Back in the day, I had a Mac. 75 2-cycle, with dual carbs, stuffer manifold, 12:1 comp. head gasket. I had it on a Flexo Big Bear, (TINY) minibike. 6,000 RPM Centrifugal clutch. That thing hauled ass. 0-60 in about 6 seconds. but that was its peak because of a 10-1 chain gear ratio. Great video. I felt like I was taking it apart!
Glad to have you!
Seems to be a good little motor for small cart not to badly priced, all the best to you all
I bought the 224 max performance engine just a couple of weeks ago, I'm glad I didn't wait to get this engine.
Why?
Hahaha... Love seein ol proper posture Pete doin a rip down the drive!
Looks like it'll be gnarly running that on something
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣That Rev limit sputter hilarious.....nice video RedBeard
Love the red beer to garage I’ve missed a couple episodes but I’m getting caught up this motor would be good on my sons go kart run around the yard in
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Got a great idea Greg!
This engine with it's 6000 limiter And a 3D motorsport "manual" clutch with hand lever!
While rolling thru a crowd you can pull the lever and disengage clutch then pin it for that sound you like so much!
I think I like it a lot especially for a pit bike at the off-road park or around the yard to make ppl smile
Love the content big dog!
Great first impression. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching!
I’d like to see the weight on that flywheel. Everyone just looks at an aluminum flywheel as a safety factor and forget that the lighter flywheel helps the engine spin up faster. Really makes a performance improvement on a minibike!
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It was a scam account. I'm working on deleting and blocking them.
Looks good I like the Predator racing stickers. But honestly a built regular 212 is probably better or a well built 224 with the extra stroke, both would be better financial choices for power imo. Do really like the stickers though... Great video and thanks for sharing.. I'll definitely be watching the build!
Got mine today. Assecory kit tomorrow. My clone engine needs rebuild so I got the ghost for my Kart
If I was building my kids a Kart then this would be a great engine to start with.
Shoot, I’d buy one. Perfect for a guy like me that wants a high reving engine right out of the box with a little power over stock without having to swap any parts. Just bolt it up and go have fun.
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So go with a tillotson 212r or a ducar 212. Both of those are around $220-240, both are around 5300-5500 governed rpm out of the box, and the ducar even has a pvl flywheel rated for 17000 rpm
@@jmangus83 212R has a nice BSP aluminum flywheel that’s way better than any cast wheel it can don8k easy
Said just like someone sponsored 😂
@jmangus83 funny you say that, i ran about 6 hours one day and it blew up😂
Use that top fill port to draw the fuel pump pulse. Screw in adapters are available that the Briggs LO206 uses.
Thanks.I wondered why it was there,especially with that type of screening.
This would be a good motor for someone who doesn’t wanna get their hands dirty … and just bolt it up to whatever style kart they have.
Everyone else will just go stock 212/224 and build from there.
I grabbed a 224, removed “guvnah”, slipstream billet wheel, 24mm F/S, hot265er and 22lbers … runs damn good.
Wow, Reving the Dale right out the box! Awesome video, rev limiter is super cool!
Glad you liked it!
If this works with little issues (mainly the cast iron flywheel not exploding). This could replace LO206. To get on track with a 206, a turn key engine costs 1,200$.
I'm going 60mph right out of the box. I would buy this engine again!!!
Bullshit
@Roach4two0 Nah fr. I'm literally on the highway with it. I took off the jackshaft and increases the clutch teeth and I'm doing like 70mph or 80mph. Then again it's like $300 so idk
Shit what tooth sprocket u got on back
@@EverlastandgreenYou still alive?
@@slowasschevy3000 stock
The Wildcat 223 is the king of stock small blocks. I bought one delivered I paid $220. The casting [block] is almost identical to the Tillotson race blocks. Also comes with a 7 bolt sidecover. Hands down the 58mm crank is a potential monster. EC carbs designed the engine that's where I will let my comment's rest.
Yes I’d buy this for my MB200. Shameful RBG running the engine without an air filter!
I bought a Briggs WKA 5.0 HP back in late 90s from northern. To be honest the performance and top end of this motor as reasonably priced as the WKA world kart motor I bought then.
Honestly this new 212 looks pretty sick it’ll defiantly be a big upgrade to my my tiny 66cc 2 stroke lol
Idk about 8k or 9k rpms but ive revved a stock 30 series driver pulley up to 7,500 rpms several times.
Also, the brace for the super pipe goes BEHIND the side plate, not in front of it
Why does it matter if I put the tab BEHIND or in front of the plate. Still does the same thing.
What coil is recommended when upgrading the flywheel to your billet one?
I bought the harbor freight performance kit and am curious if i should remove the govenor as well. This is going on a DB30 doodlebug frame, thanks!
That top fill can become a good crank case vent.
I think I'd go with the 224, mikuni carb, exhaust, flywheel, valve springs, cam and gov delete
nice vid, just have one question, in all your builds when you change the flywheel you place stock key or you place a advanced one? i have a gx390 with billet flywheel and a 6 timming key, but my spark plugs keep getting dark i think timming is way off.
I can’t believe you didn’t put a air filter on! It sounds lean!
i love the back and forth with mrs redbeard. yall are adorable
We have a good time lol
Got mine, long way to go thou!
I remember when Briggs had the Raptor 3, Animal , World Formula engines those were my generation 😁😁
I wouldn’t be a buyer but good for a beginners for sure !
The top "oil fill" is to run the pulse pump off of they include a threaded barb that screws in there to run the pulse pump off of
I like the Tillotson for the beefed up case. Then build it for the moon.
I said this a while back but I knew that Predator was trying to be in competition with the Tillotson 225 when they released the 224 knowing that Ducar is the one making the blocks seems kind of funny because Ducar Tillotson and these new Predator 2:24 and goes to 12 engine blocks are all made from Ducar. It's safe to say that they're all pretty much similar engines at that point
Is this legit?? Did I really win something or is this a scam
No it's a scam.
@@RedBeardsGarage appreciated
I’m curious out of all those motors you just named which would you recommend for a reliability and which would you recommend for most power
We normally use a pz26 with a flared pipe. great carbs the pz's
Great video I want one
That engine is sick it literally sounds like a dirtbike engine
Predator should add a seal tag to the block like briggs to encourage the karting community to build around this. break the seal if you want to do mods but it would be great for a spec series like how briggs handles lo206
I agree theoretically but the problem with this on this engine is the variability that comes with a cheap Chinese engine. People would buy 20 and race the fast one or they wouldn’t and most likely just lose. That sort of defeats the cost savings of a locked block crate motor. The Briggs are really close so you buy one and can win… and run it for several years with no blueprint and only touching up the valves once or twice a year.
Kinda what my youngest son's best friend has on his go cart. And it's freaking fast top speed is like 53 miles a hour. And with me on it top speed is like 49 miles a hour. Lucky the gas and brake are on the steering wheel.
I mean, PVL flywheel, swap the coil to remove governor, add a little Nitro on a light drag frame, properly geared, it would be a pretty solid budget option IMO. I don't have 3k to build an all out drag bike but this don't seem bad at all.
@ that price point it's a GREAT deal for anyone who doesn't know how to build a engine~!
Interesting and educational
Ok getting this! Wasn't sold on the 224 but this I like!👍🏾
This is a rip off for $300. The same carb and pipe on a 224 would make more power.
Imagine putting this on a Manco, Yerf, or a Murray for the purpose of offroading and trailing. I wonder what it would do to the factory jackshaft or a bolt on TC if anything?
First impression, I you want an engine for a "one design" class With more power than the box stock 212, it looks like a good deal. But, if you want to have free license to massage a 212 , with no class limits, the stock 212 looks like the better choice . Then you could start with the 24 mm carb, billet flywheel, aftermarket valve springs and no governor. Plus you would add any other bits.you want. At this point you have more power than the Ghost for similar bucks. In that scenario the stock 212 makes more sense. Good video, you provide a great service to help the rest of us say abreast of developments. You mentioned a laundry list of other similar engines. Do you think it would be too much of a deep dive to compare all of these different engines strengths and weaknesses in one video. Your channel is my "go to" source for design tech on this hobby.
Question. I tried a standard 212 ignition coil but didn’t work. Can you provide a link of a coil that works for this?
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Dang, you got one!
Personally id buy both. one, to see if i could do better. two, for the ease of it.
Throttle cable recommendations??? I got a ct200ex never messed with this style carb
That rev limiter is cool , I’m more concerned with me and RB being plus size a frame limiter would be more practical , if to much deflection it kills the engine and you walk back killing two birds one bone ? Lol 😂
personally I think I would go with the tilly 212 it makes more hp and can be ordered with flywheel cam and carb upgrades if it was a option but if its a class restriction to the g212 because some classes say predator
What are your thoughts on the engine clatter? I bought one and I feel like it's a lot louder than the 212. Should I be worried?
Cool vids
I like to wrench on stuff so I would buy the good ol' fashioned 212 and then build it up. That is a neat engine though, good for someone that wants to just bolt on a engine with more power.
I want it!!! And I want it now!!!
It looks perfect for a "controlled" class.
I would buy to start out !!! Then start to build up up with higher rpms !!!! & Hotter cam & more porting & valve work when available parts is there for it !!!!
Would definitely get one still. The price point is good imo. The cam is probably something similar to a cl1 high torque cam. So probably just a little more duration than stock. Great video red, was eager for this one .
I doubt they put that much profile or technology into this cam. Just sayin'.
@@williamstamper442 I doubt it too I just saying might be something similar since red was wondering about it.
@@srcobra50 Saul I don't disagree...the cam can probably support 16-18hp as is.
It's just that the cam is where ALOT of power is left on the table with these small blocks
@@srcobra50 on one of my drag mini's I'm running a secret grind from NR racing in a 212 hemi and 22lb single springs. This cam's lobes are darned near square! This thing makes a ton of power and torque all the way across the rpm range, say 2500 up to about 7100. Had to grind the block quite a bit for lobe clearance. Call them up and ask for their 212 hemi cheater cam and they will know what you are talking about.
What throttle cable should I order for my go kart, it had just a 212 on it with the governor linkage and everything, I need something else for my ghost swap
I blew up my Briggs animal on my cart that was $800 so at $299 to play around seems like a deal. Currently have a stock 212 pred. on it and who doesn't like a little more bang.
What size wristpin do these have? I just picked one up today and want to order a billet rod that will work with the stock piston.
Hell yeah brother.
I'm trying to add a torque converter to one of these and the plate dosnt fit right against the block like it did with the regular predator 212, is there a different mounting plates for these
That screen at the top fill is to keep oil from splashing up when you install your fuel pump pulse vacuum
I believe that "top fill" is for the pulsator to use your fuel pump
Was the 30 series converter a straight put on? Was the shaft on the ghost engine long enough to be able to run the stock 30 series torque converter that came with the bike?
So now for the big kids in the group! Any chance you can do an actual tear down, and spec comparison? What's the springs, cam, ect. Thanks.
Thanks!
With that steel wool in the top port, it looks like the case vent.
Honestly I wanna put one on a piece of outdoor power equipment just for fun
I'd really like to know more about that ignition coil and what all it's compatible with
Why do use the high zinc additive, is it necessary? I have a stock 212 should I be using it in mine ? Currently running amsoil small engine oil
I dropped a like after you did the “ spa da pa ta pa ta ba ba ba pa da bup bup pow”
I think it's cool. it would be cool to have a new predator ghost racing class.
I like the top oil port
Red Beard,
How did you get the bolt off of the crankshaft, I just got one of these, and I can not figure out how to get it off so that i can put on a centrifugal clutch
Got this engine sitting on the workbench. Will be going on a Coyote Kart. Just curious as to the safe limit of motor mount angle for this engine? This is my first 4 stroke. So I’m needing to know how much angle I can use and not cause any oil level or lubrication problems. Thank you and God bless.