Why hasn’t legal weed killed the black market?
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Legalising cannabis was meant to reduce the criminal drug trade in the United States. So why are the drug cartels still making profits?
Guests:
Mason Tvert
Partner at VS Strategies
Jordan Davidson
Legislative Affairs Officer for Smart Approaches to Marijuana
Mike Vigil
Former DEA Chief for International Operations
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As long as only the richest among us are allowed to legally grow and sell weed, end the monopoly and let the market figure it out. But when you purposely take the middle and lower class out of being able to be legal well this can be expected and will continue. Stop punishing the little man!!!
Spot on
I agree.😊
Not only being positioned well for climate change, Michigan allows one to grow up to 12 marijuana plants. The 2018 U S Farm Bill (signed by Trump) defines hemp. Any male cannabis, seed, or flower with .3% or less Delta 9 THC is hemp. THC-A, Delta 8 THC cannabis is hemp absent Delta 9 over .3%, is legally hemp. Delta 9 is produced by curing cannabis. Fresh cut cannabis is loaded with THC-A, which thru curing, produces Delta 9 THC. Farm Bill states that hemp and any derivatives of hemp, are totally legal. This will (hopefully) soon be common knowledge. What are the states gonna do when the citizens become aware and then pushback?
Don't confuse what SHOULD be with what IS.
The reasons why cartels are still growing strong is high taxes/fees, over regulation and shipping to anywhere it is illegal. Plain and simple. Too much governments
To give a short answer. Black markets still exist because prices at dispensaries are too high partly because local governments are greedy when it comes to taxing legal dispensaries and joe down the street that is selling top shelf is able to sell for less because he’s not paying taxes. When a consumer is on a tight budget and is in need of a product the choice is clear. 😂
Medical marijuana is so cheap in my state, for an example tomorrow if you buy 2/8 you get 2/8 free. so that’s a half ounce for $100
@@frankkoolosko4255 $10 for a seed. $6 for a grow bag. $20 for premium soil. $10 for fertilizer. 20 weeks in the Sun.
10+ ounces for under $50.
Your state is too expensive for me.
Oh that’s all it takes👎🏻
@@frankkoolosko4255 yes sir
I might add……it TAKES your money.
You can go to a friend's house, have him pull out some jars, hang out, inspect em, sample em, have a few laughs and then go home with your medicine feeling good that you helped him earn a living, or go to a store and buy some dry mystery stuff in a black plastic box and pay twice as much for it. What would you do?
And then it doesn't get you high!! No thank you I'll go to my friends house!!
I buy vape cartriges from dispensaries. It's a million times better than anything I bought on the black market.
@@dreaminez472 not in Florida!
@@dreaminez472 try the live resin choices street brand
@@dreaminez472Because your weedman had some boof, u need to find a better plug
The man who claims street cannabis is 99% THC is DELUSIONAL!
I haven't seen higher thc than 26% in the legal stores. I have also seen 2% in these stores. They charge according to how strong it is. I'll take street anytime over this inflated price the store charges!
@@shirleykurtz street weed is the real medicine. dispo weed is just frustrating and causes anger.
Legalize it federally. That's the obvious next step.
The ones against weed sound outright ridiculous.
I bet their kids don't talk to them.
Jordan's claim that cannabis has gone from 2-5% THC to 99% is extremely misleading. Most potent cannabis flower strains range from 15-25% THC. Concentrated versions are available, but most range from 70-85% THC. Making these kind of alarmist statements is counterproductive, especially when they are shown to be false.
Starting a cannabis business has nothing to do with experience anymore. It’s all about how much money you have to get started
Elaborate more about the experience im canna curious
But since the feds still outlaw weed the places have a problem getting a bank loan
Marihuana is not the most abused drugs in the United States ,Alcohol ,Tobacco , pharmaceuticals are much more damaging if the DEA agent feels like he has to lie he should not be allowed to speak .
Because people don't want government regulated things ALL the time. I always support my local black market. It's none of government's business what people spend money on or who they spend it on. This is just government making another monopoly and trying to squeeze out the competition so that they can profit. Legality has nothing to do with safety... but everything to do with money and control. Smoking weed should NEVER have been a political issue.
Legality and some regulation is 100% needed and does lead to increased safety. The train in Ohio is a prime example of this.
@Devin Lomeo No it's not "needed". You have no examples of anything.
@@marksage5722 yea the train crash in Ohio. Trump revoked a lot of regulations and safety standards for rail companies and it's been concluded that if the regulations were still in place the accident most likely would have been avoided. Without regulation or standards of anything there's no repercussion for negligence that causes any kind of damages
@Devin Lomeo No... if people were more responsible... that wouldn't have happened. Regulations and laws mean nothing. You can't legislate bad people anymore than you can legislate bad weather. The idea that something a political parasite does or does not write on paper... is somehow responsible for the world's events good or bad is laughable.
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I like how they had 2 guests against Marijuana and they both lost the debate. The fact that they both use completely false and outdated talking points is sad
CORRECTION: marijuana is not a hallucinogenic drug, and "marijuana cigarettes" do not have 4X the carcinogens as a tobacco cigarette.
RECOMMENDATION: Never listen to old people about anything to do with marijuana or science.
Or a DEA agent 😂
Or squares
If the illicit market is still viable then I'd say the regulation/tax/licencing system is either badly arranged or even corrupt.
Where did Skippy get his 1 in 3 addiction information from the DEA agent .
Very very small amount of concentrates sold is 99%thc😂 try 15-25% bud
Diamonds
I don't know what that young dude is talking about when he was talking about the mental health problems that cannabis can cause.
I suffer from everything that he mentioned and I've been consuming cannabis for awhile and I'm fine and I don't even take any of those chemical filled pills my doctor's want me to take. Cannabis is all I need...
I've seen it. All I did was typing cannabis in UA-cam 1/2 the videos were about people trying to quit it. I'm not against it but everything in moderation.
@@bairfreedomExactly as you said, moderation. I've been enjoying cannabis for 16 years and ever since I've maintained a simple yet strict policy: Get everything done first. I save my usage for the last few hours of the evening and it's been wonderful. A balanced life is the best life. One should enjoy being sober as much as being high.
The dea agents lied through their teeth about a lot of things in this video.🤣
Back in the 1970's, when Nixon declared marijuana federally illegal, Nixon was actively pushing for more treatment of drug addicts. However, legislators after Nixon ended up pushing for more severe penalties for drug crimes instead.
Marijuana a hallucinogenic drug!? 🤣 Isn't it funny how people just make things up?
Let me give everyone a hint as to why the black market isn't dying, at least in my state. I can't even count the number of people I know who even when marijuana becomes recreational here next year won't have anything to do with the legal market. Why? I don't know about everywhere, but at least where I'm at the state is trying to say that if you use marijuana, even medically, you can't buy or own guns. Well, I can guarantee you 100% of gun lovers won't have anything to do with legal marijuana, and just for that reason. So it seems to me the black market won't be going anywhere. The price wars should be fun though.
Sorry, just spittin' facts.
The US drug enforcement agency has reported over 80% less seizures of marijuana since 2012. its only legal in 37/50 states. So 74% of states legalized it and there was a reduction in smuggling by 80%. Sure seems like it worked to me.
If everything tied to the industry didn't look at it like a gold rush, then prices could be much much lower.. the lower the prices in legal states makes it too hard for the black market to continue. Tobacco price equal to cannabis prices would cripple the black market... it's that simple..
In my state you can get medical marijuana for far cheaper than you can buy it from anybody off the street.
I live in Texas so I wouldn't know. Evidently oil fills the back pockets of those that govern (dictate) pot laws. We arrent even given the chance to vote on the subject.
@@frankkoolosko4255 At my local dispensary (in Pennsylvania) the least expensive flower sells for $200/oz. I'd bet it's cheaper off the street!?
Cheaper and better!
@@Chickenlegs41 I can get an ounce for 150.00
They also are forced to sell weed that is too dry.... they do it to prevent mold from forming but dry weed isn't good.... it burns too quickly and is harsh on the consumer.... mold isn't good either but there is a certain amount of moisture and freshness that needs to be maintained to make it a viable product....
No thanks. I don't want to pay for water. Dry buds aren't harsh.
They force cure the weed! Some weed takes months to cure and they rush the process that's why the weed doesn't get you high!
@@chadkline4268 it's harsh don't kid your self and it taste bad sometimes especially in Florida dispensaries it's a huge difference also from street weed to dispensary weed.
@@g.s777 it's harsh because you are getting more smoke and less water vapor. If you take smaller hits, it's fine. Or use a bong.
@@g.s777 i used to think that too until I experimented with different humidity levels and found drier buds to be just fine.
I buy from black market because it's a lot cheaper
I agree with you 100%.
TREAT IT JUST LIKE TOMATOES ,,,, PROBLEM .... NORMALIZED
Should be legal but there's still to many of republicans dinosaurs left in office it's another way the dinosaurs want to control how much toilet paper to wipe your butt with already people
👍👍👍 you're just not a greedy govt employee living off the sweat+muscle of others 🤪
I can answer that, The Black market will continue to thrive as long as the dispensaries keep jacking up the price for their products. I refuse to buy from any dispensaries. Why should I pay the dispensary prices when I can get double from the black market for less??
Prices pretty much....unless you live in Cali or the west other states charge too much....$60-$80 1/8ths ain't that jazzy when u can get a 7 or better off the street for that price...
There is no difference between illegal and legal all it is is taxes and taxes and taxes
That dude said they have 99%thc weed... gah the audacity of people who think they know things...
A flat out lie. Shameless dishonesty. The highest percent I've seen is 30% but if that's too strong dispensaries also have lower THC cannabis. It's up to the customer what strenght they want.
If there was Marijuana with that much thc ,I would have tried it already.
The anti-legalization guests miss the greater point. The war on drugs, especially regarding cannabis, has been an utter failure going back many decades prior to legalization of medical cannabis in CA. It was a completely disastrous public policy. Are their issues with the recreational cannabis market? Of course there is and one would expect that to happen with anything of this sort but ESPECIALLY when there are a hodge-podge of state regulations and then the criminalization at the federal level which creates more costs, confusion and, perhaps most importantly, the development of even more virulent illegal markets in criminalized states. Going backwards to the old policies that clearly failed for longer than I’ve been alive (60something) is quite simply idiotic. The point is to continue to refine legalization on all levels so to improve safety, costs, availability, social equity, etc. It’s what you do with any public policy, for God’s sake. Personally, I don’t enjoy the THC high so I don’t have a dog in this fight. But I don’t like sticking with very stupid policies that have proven to have miserably failed and have caused a lot of unnecessary legal damage to so many. Last point, the former DEA guy stated an absolute bald-faced lie about cannabis having more carcinogens than tobacco. That is almost outrageous in its falsehood as I am sure he knows. I am sure that smoking weed is not great for one’s lungs but there is virtually no evidence that it is carcinogenic at all. And, if it were true, it would not mean THC itself is carcinogenic. So edibles containing THC would be a safe alternative to smoking.
Yep, our government is greedy. Md it's 9% tax. The feds need to get out of the weed market. The government does nothing but lie to us.
Taxes… that’s why. Taxes and greed from the government.
Stop the over taxation.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out why the black market still exists.
Cheaper and better!
Better weed and cheaper too
Here’s a simple answer that is actually correct:
It shouldn’t be regulated. It should have been deregulated!
Never seen anyone in AA for weed ...dude in the middle is ridiculous
Dude is lying, the strongest weed is 25 percent THC.
I've tried what they are selling legally it still isn't as good as the stuff I used get in the 70's. So if you're selling something better and cheaper..... That's where the market is.
However this can only drive the price down.
I remember when it was 40$ for an ounce !
I can dream can't I?
Exactly! They sell weed that smells like fruit and it doesn't get you high! No thank you I'll go to my local street dealer!!
The good old daze.....when a "dime bag" could get you PLUS a couple of friends high on a Friday night!
Legalizing cannabis was supposed to drop the prices way down instead the prices have gone up so the black-market still thrives
Long live the black market! They have a better weed for less money!
The retired cop has no idea what he’s talking about
Yeah, it’s called bootleg and they used to do it with alcohol because it was cheaper to bootleg because taxes were too high, lower the taxes and they won’t bootleg it
The black market prices are twice as cheap as retail stores. I mean $80 for 3.5 of flower. That's $15 all day black market.
Down the road (in Pennsylvania) the dispensaary has 3.5 g of flower on sale for $25. THC = 14% to 27%.
I can get a oz for 100 of 27 - 30% THC
its really quite simple. we want the GOOD weed for affordable prices.
Street weed is much better and costs less. I tried the dispensary and will never do so again!
It's funny how when the government is involved the word legal is used. Grow your own and all of a sudden the terms illegal and black-market are used. Reminds me of our Southern border how those terms are used
Quick and simple... Money...
If you buy under the table it's cheaper (no high taxes or mark ups to keep the store alive to pay all the state fees).
Where yall getting 99% thc flower?
that's because it's cheaper. and a good bit of states still regulate it. it should be just legal like alcohol. and people should be able to grow their own. leave people alone about it then it would put the black market out of business
It should be legal like orange juice.
AND get Big-g-g Corporate money out of cannabis!
They will never beat the cartels prices 20-25$ per oz.of weed
More controls and taxes = black market
LDL of cannabis is 40,000:1
LDL of potatoes are 10:1
99% thc ? Dude, cmon
He's full of stuff. I grew my own 50 years ago and am now. Same as before Just a lot more varieties. Super weed same as before. Depends on who grows it. Check it out and get the Best.
Weed can be a nice source of tax revenue but it won't cover ALL your shortfalls.
People who were against legal weed all along are still waging their little holy war using government and taxation out of spite and petty sour grapes. Now declaring the whole thing has been a failure, without acknowledging why, and their own role in intentionally fomenting that situation.
Keep taxes low and consistent and you'll have a smooth flow of revenue. Abuse consumers and tax payers, they WILL vote with their feet and/or make other arrangements. It's really that simple. Bring the entire industry into the mainstream and shut down those who operate outside the law, same as you would any other business. As long as it stays in this weird place, the gaps will be filled by the "black market".
That kid doesn't speak for the majority of people. He has no real experience.
Pot has not been legalized it has only become regulated and that is why a black market exists. If everyone could grow their own, which is what a truly legal approach would be, than their would be no black market.
The scare tactics are still being barked by idiots
This kind of debate should be common and be released on television shows. Debate gives them an idea about the facts and why it should or should not be legalized.
Marijuana is as strong 25 years ago as it is today
are you stupid or do you just dont know what you are talking about
Having my first high Spring ‘71. If you were hooked up with product grown by someone who knew how to grow, it was as good as anything in America today. Our world lost a good number of landrace strains when Nixon declared war on drugs (Cannabis, in essence) and Ron and Nancy told everyone to “just say NO!”. I remember Agent Orange from all across SE Asia. Paraquat throughout Central America (attempted murder of any cannabis user).
I tire of hearing my generation’s children and grandchildren spout erroneous assumptions of cannabis and it’s potency.
I say it again. FREE the WEED. Allow personal gardening of cannabis with most restrictions lifted. Once one discovers a few tips on growing cannabis, it’s not that complicated.
I have watched the thc percentage rise just since legalization. The weed today is twice as strong as when I started smoking 40 years ago
@@bigperm3853 I’m in your peer range. What you say is true if you’re talking Mexican ditch weed. There were were growers in the Americas who knew how. Many landrace strains were lost (some pockets remain). How? Paraquat in Central America and Agent Orange in SE Asia.
@@bigperm3853 40 yrs ago we was getting the red hair sensi for $1000 a pound it was just as good as what's grown today
Because it’s not federally legal
As long as people want to smoke weed they will, legal or not. Willie Nelson claimed in is book they never had a problem getting weed anywhere they were in the world. Its legal status has no relation to its availability
the miss information is crazy lmao
I can understand growing your own Or maybe growing with a friend, but after seeing what others have been doing with black market weed it is very unsafe. I don't trust anyone growing this outside the country or that's not from here.
If you live where it is legal the only reason not to buy it legally is maybe you can get some better product than dispensaries have or a price break, people used to produce and sell a lot of untaxed alcohol in the past.
In New Mexico an oz is $240+.... My neighbor takes a donation of $60 a oz 😂 that's why their is an illegal market!!!!!!
Truly legal marijuana couldn’t sell for five cents a POUND because it’s so easy to grow anywhere and it can grow wild by the thousands of acres. It’s just too basic an item to sell for much at all, so when you overtax such an abundant item, of course you’ll always have a black market. It should be completely deregulated and left to the discretion of the People.
I just wish people would stop using that racist term "Marijuana" The real name of the plant is "Cannabis Sativa"
If this country wants to move forward with the whole racial thing then we need to erase the word "Marijuana" from all texts that are out there.. Everytime I hear that word I cringe!!!!
Marijuana is Spanish for canibis.
😂 I like the word ganji
Rec weed- $143 for 1/4oz
“Black market weed” $150 1oz
Tell me where you’re going?
lol This is hilarious and it's insane that this is still what the conversation is. It's very simple. Is this a free country or not? It should be clear to everyone that it's not.
Make marijuana completely legal to grow and consume without any government involvement. Marijuana is easy to grow. Let people grow their own marijuana and selling it becomes obsolete. I don't know anyone who is concerned about the safety issues about consumption other than having marijuana laced with pcp, fentanyl, or any other chemical like pesticides. Growing your own which is extremely easy, you can be assured what you are consuming.
Weed dispensaries that are legal too expensive high taxes makes logic sense to buy Street weed
Notice the reporter never discusses the large grow operations on American soil, that are licensed, but actually are owned by the Chinese black market!
Government greed is why
This is rediculous having to pay so much money for getting caught with a joint
35 to 50 dollar ounces and that is a good for the consumer not 350 an ounce it’s just greed
"It's not the same old %4 THC anymore, it's %20-30 now!" is the worst argument against weed. Yeah, you get more of the active ingredient for the same price. How is that a bad thing?
Then how come it don’t take 20 to 30% less to get your kicks man
@@t.dwhitaker8808 it does?
It's not these people talking did nothing but lie.
The states are doing this all wrong. They all want to reap the profits. The taxes are insanely high. I can buy an 1/8 for 20 bucks off a dealer. It’s 60 an 1/8 in the store for the same or less potent product. Half of this video is untrue
Mason's statement that legal cannabis is not more expensive than black market product is true. HOWEVER, my guy on the corner does not charge me the 8% county tax, plus 15% state tax, like the dispensary does. Is lying by omission still lying? When it hurts your argument, it doesn't really matter.
There will always be legacy/Craft growers because the big LPs can't produce that top notch connoisseur quality. Dispensary bud is 🤮
Halucinogenic drug? Huh? Since when?
Weed can trip people out
😂😂 it's just another lie they add
“A 4 year marijuana addict in recovery” 🤦♂️
It makes you laugh 😂 why do they have to lie?
@@angelshalo06 they don’t have to lie, they don’t have to virtue signal by slandering cannabis users though
@@kylepope6805 I agree 100%
99% THC? I think he exaggerates a little. Not much has changed over the years just the hype.
“He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, And herb for the service of man: That he may bring forth food out of the earth;”
Psalm 104:14 KJV
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Nobody's addicted it's natural and people think so what you don't like what I do. The law lied and said it's legal. But really it's l about control.
Alcohol is absolutely the most abused drug in the country.
PRICE GOUGING! X2 price of "underground" (in Canada)
This kid went to rehab for POT?!?!? No wonder he's so wrong and indoctrinated. Prohibition of ANY drug always makes it worse, ALWAYS, even with hard drugs like meth or alcohol.
I wonder what his rock bottom testimony is....I was out of control. I played side one three times because I didn't care enough to hear side 2. I cry when I think about what I was capable of doing
Talk about crazy, don't let the kids hear, but I used to mow grass while under the influence. !lucky to be here making $80,000 yr preaching the value of doing nothing. Vicodin and booze is all he needs.
One of your Ronnie Raygun’s best quotes ,” The most frightening words you will ever hear, I’m from the Government and I’m here to help” . You take a simple proposition, i.e. growing a relatively easily cultivated , back yard herb, but then add legality, regulation market manipulation and of course profiteering and then it is no longer simple at all. Why not just let the people work it out for themselves? No, that wouldn’t work , Governments don’t operate that way.
Between the price, and having to provide ID and jump through more hoops than buying a gun, I doubt I ever buy "Legal" weed....
y hasnt it killed the black market??? u do know not everybody can """legally""" smoke or even possess it yet right? till then i think its pretty obvious black market buds arent goin anywhere also the dispensary dont quite compete with street prices, Yet..
Sick of that it's not the same weed as your grandpa's
We know. Grandpa is the one improved it! !!!! He wasn't fond of Mexican brick. Voila Skunk bud! Domestic.
It is just now 3x the price 😂
Because too much regulations are imposed on legal businesses!
Bc that regulated stuff is garbage. Even if it wasn’t, the pricing is ridiculously over priced.
Now Uncle Sam wants to sell to us so he can quadruple dip into our earnings? No thanks.
In Vancouver British Columbia no one buys legal cannabis because it’s terrible low quality where as the black market has the high quality stuff you see in high times magazine
Who say money don't grow on trees
Really? How did this get so messed up?
Why is this strange little Kid in the Video?
Failed? We dont even have legalization.. failed!
When so many strung out on meth the value of weed goes way down.
Dispensary prices are too high and I can grow better medicine at home
5:59 did they really flash that mans debit card on live television XD
Poindexter dude anti Brian's