Young Earth Creationists FINALLY Admit they Need a Miracle
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- At long last...
This is the last video on this sort of "Heat Problem" rampage I've been on lately.
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"I think my dog might be Lutheran cuz we were watching the DaVinci Code and he absolutely lost his mind any time something remotely Catholic was on the screen." My partner who was raised Lutheran said, "That's a good boy." lol
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As someone raised Evangelical Lutheran that’s always been so weird to me, I was taught that since Catholics also believe Jesus died and resurrected for their sins they’re still on the right track, just wrong on the details. But more and more it seems that was an unusual stance for such a hardline YEC school & church.
@@quinn799 My 'Lutheran Education' and my competitive shopping congregation choices were always so NON-hardline. They were pretty much as inoffensive as my ordained Catholic priests who taught my "religion requirements classes for non-Catholics" classes at a most-Catholic university. OTOH, my Catholic friends had some real "Savonarola" Brothers in their mandatory Catholicism for Catholic Students classes. Many ended up in my "classes for non-Catholics" courses and enjoyed them immensely.
Old joke: If evolution is all about survival of the fittest, how does it explain the existence of creationists?
Hmm, interesting thought experiment.
Perhaps denial of demonstrable reality, in favor of tribalistic social pressures, might balance out in terms of survival pressures?
People are prone to believe as those around them do. So it's not implausible that that might present some evolutionary advantage.
I've heard apologists claim that evolution wouldn't create humans that reasoned perfectly, right after they present a poorly reasoned argument.
Evolutionary dead ends ,extinction
They survive as the best suited to religious environments because if they were smart they wouldn't be religious
Insert joke about "the shallow end of the gene pool" here
There is no selection pressure, that is widespread enough, that would select against them. Since you can believe the absolute wrong things about why something works, but so long as they aren't sticking forks into electrical sockets as children, Nature is like "Whatever..." for the most part.
There is a long-term issue with so many people believing the wrong things about how the world works that we are destroying our global habitat, because not enough people know of or care about why it's happening. But for the moment it's not bad enough to where we are seeing mass die offs of humans.
Other things of course, but not humans... yet.
"I have never once been accused of being brief or concise" one of the reasons I enjoy your channel Erika, long format videos help the work day go by faster, so please, keep up the hour+ content, it's one of many reasons I enjoy your channel.
I also listen to these while working!! Definitely enjoy how much they can help make a slow afternoon go by
This is also one of my favorite parts about Erika's content! I wish more of my favorite creators did this
me too! the voice of Gutsick Gibbon gets me through part of my day, haha
I think Christopher Hitchens said something similar once. Most likely before she was even born. 🤔
She's obviously brilliant!⭐️
@@michellemaria1360 it's probably been said by countless english speakers since the 1900s, just guessing. did you require an attribution?
"I don't believe in anything you have to believe in.“ - Fran Lebowitz
Great quote
Her sister, Fawn Lebowitz, was killed in a kiln explosion at Emily Dickinson College.........
@@petermargie interesting
@@pragmaticcrystal Just be clear,....that was a joke. An Animal House movie reference......🤣
@@petermargie I know… Cherry bomb 💣 “ I am like the slut of literature“ - Fran Lebowitz
the fact that you're a younger woman like me, passionate about science, especially primatology and evolution, love dissing on young earth creationism, and also is a meme lord who watches the likes of moistcritikal and idubbbz, makes me feel significantly less alone in this world. Keep it up, you have a fan for life.
Would love to get your opinion on ufos/aliens and Bigfoot
Now we just need the Creationists to admit that the Ark was also a miracle, one that like a TARDIS was bigger inside than out and not only fit two or more of every animal from around the world inside, but also kept them all fed and cleaned up the waste.
It's really the only explanation. It also fits with my hypothesis that the Tardis is God
@@barrylangille3523 but you can call her “sexy” (The Doctor’s Wife)
No, they just need to believe in magic, which is incredibly childish.
For a year !!!!!!!
They did not have to clean the poo, it just fell thru the grates at the bottom of the boat!
Today I learned that fossilized lightning exists and my mind is a little blown
It is a really cool concept. And it makes sense in retrospect, since fossil raindrops and footprints are real.
Do you mean fulgurite?
Imagine believing a family tree is accurate, then believing it can dismiss geology .
Genealogy is observable but geology isn't and is based solely on fiction.
"Laws of reality? Ha, no. I'd rather use the genealogy of characters found in my favorite book of myths, that just so happens to come from a time and culture that exaggerates the lifetime of significant figures."
@@jeffreymorgan8687 _"For example if you translate their names into English and put them together, you get a complete message. (A prophecy)"_
Imagine reading such horseshit and thinking the writer might have a point.
@@jeffreymorgan8687 I unironically love this idea, which is why I devoted a bit of time to thinking about it and responding.
The first problem is that there is a lot of speculative interpolation required to get a message out of that list of names. It's also pretty suspect that the implied interpretation of the supposed prophecy sounds loosely like much later Christian claims. The authors of Genesis and other such ancient Jewish works didn't have any traditions about the death of their god. A more likely interpretation would be that his [man's] death shall bring despair and then comfort and rest. (Saying that life ends, and that this is tragic but ultimately okay isn't that implausible of a thing to encode into a fictional genealogy, now that I think about it, but that messaging doesn't really jive with the tone of the stories themselves.)
On that note, most or all of the names were already symbolic in relationship to the individual stories of those characters. Those stories weren't all written at the same time and aren't original to their final Jewish authors; they were adapted, passed down, and stitched together later on (the historical evidence for this is clear, at least in terms of the creation myth and flood myth). One might get away with turning the names into an intentional code by purposely arranging the order of the existing stories to fit the code and renaming many of the existing characters, but that would be difficult to get away with if your readers were already familiar with the older names of the characters.
All that aside, if the code was meant to be noticed, why didn't those names ever appear in a way where they could be unambiguously read to contain the intended message? There's a lot of "begat" in the way and some missing words that prevents an actual message from getting across.
And therein lies the problem with looking for elaborate codes to begin with. We can always find potential examples everywhere, but they are never unambiguous because they aren't actually there.
The case of Nero showing up in Revelation in coded terms makes perfect sense. The author wanted to avoid political persecution and it is heavily hinted in the text that 666 (or 616) is a code. But it's not really reasonable to extrapolate one late-first-or-early-second-century author's coded message to imply that many more complex and fully hidden codes existed in a separate body of works written centuries prior.
But damn that would be cool.
@@41-Haiku It sounds a lot like the pattern seeking that is at the base of every religion. And you are absolutely right about the age and order of the bible stories. I’ve been binging Dragons in Genesis’s videos on bible stories. It turns out that some of those stories aren’t even originally about the characters mentioned. Others are different versions of other bible stories with different protagonists. Gods have been turned into humans. Fortunately the editing is very sloppy, so the origins are visible to those who aren’t intentionally blind to them.
When it comes to destroying silly YEC UA-camrs... Erika really brings the **ahem** heat.
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The thing is that she does it in a way that is surgical. Like a sapper planting a bomb that is JUST big enough to bring down the wall, but no one would notice until it's already gone off.
Thia is a "low-hanging fruit" kind of joke... and I loved every second of it.
Even when I was planning on becoming a YEC theologian, the idea of "God created earth in an aged state never sat right with me. To give evidence that it is old and then being mad at people for believing is foolish. It would be like me testing my wife's faith in my fidelity by keeping another woman's thong in my car for her to find. And then adding mixed fluids for her to test. She would be right to believe I had cheated and even if I showed her it was all a test, I would still be the @$$hole and she would still be right to leave me for it.
There's just no way to make "God wants to fool you and then judge you for it" sound godly
These are not mistakes, they are being deliberately dishonest when they misrepresent your data and their own sources. Trying to reason with these people is pointless, they are simply liars and deliberate deceivers
That is ultimately the problem with trying to do the large, global and macro things we need to do to correct the destruction of our environment. If enough people don't know, or worse don't care, about it, then so much time is lost trying to harangue them into doing *something* worthwhile that the problem just cascades into something worse.
@@andrejg4136 I hope videos like this one will at least reach people who are on the fence or starting to doubt. It's also an interesting way to learn about science, and logical fallacies that are present in other areas.
@@hyenaedits3460 That's mostly who these videos are for. We're not trying to convert the preacher, we're trying to reach the congregation.
@@DudeTheMighty Exactly! They are the main targets of these charlatans!
@@hyenaedits3460 Oh yes, completely agree, exposing them so effectively is important for those who have a brain and can be swayed by rationality
Imagine if YEC put as much energy into something beneficial to all humans as they do trying to prove Noah's flood.
They’d get their bed made and the garbage taken out, I bet.
The beauty of the Noah's Ark is that it's part of a story of redemption. It's part of a story of overcoming a sin issue and getting into right relationship with God.
@@edwardwicks304 What does the millions of... “beautiful” ( as you call it ☠️) ... drowning deaths of all the panicking, desperate people, like all the dying pregnant women, the little babies, children, and all the other people, including the tens of millions of “sinful” animals, represent?
I think it’s meant to indoctrinated people and show them what a total Psycho the imaginary god could be. After all, Yahweh is really a War God and if the church could use the stories in the Bible to fear monger to young children, before their seventh year, their brains would be too immature to be capable of thinking using proper logic and reasoning, to realize the silly stories were dumb, utter bunk and propaganda in nature.
It is now being realized that religious stories are simply more mythology that was and sometimes still is used to be a reliable and adequate method to terrorized young children into compliance, making it easier to control and tithe the sh!t out of them when they became adequately brainwashed adults. People who were discouraged from questioning any supernatural bunk and nonsense that was told to them by the men in control, trained to never think deeply or critically for themselves, thereby making it so much easier to manipulate them into war or compliance, even with really idiotic and silly stories, like Noah’s Ark, for example.
@@edwardwicks304 Hi. Emphasis ON the word "story"......... stories of mythology........ don't make the huge mistake of believing those stories on literal terms‼️🤔😀
Well Noah's Flood did happen, however it was not worldwide, simply in the levant and Egypt. Not a YEC btw.
I had a feeling but I didn't know there would be more to laugh at and also be disappointed by of young Earth Creationists desperately trying to force their fantasy to be taken seriously.
Thank you for the laughs, the insightful education Erika, and being so patient and entertaining. I love your channel!
There is abundant evidence for the Biblical model but none for evolution, old age cosmology or climate change
@@Kenneth-ts7bp Ahahahahahhaha... Good one. Made me chortle!
You first need to be smart enough to discern whether science is true.
@@Kenneth-ts7bp You don't "discern" science. You test the data. Your book is true because your book says it's true. Plus, there's nothing scientific about your book.
@@Kenneth-ts7bp that’s why it’s so hard for people brain broken by religious biases
Creationists as a rule aren't very bright but George Bond is in a class by himself. He's the guy who didn't know monotremes are mammals and when corrected on it claimed they're only mammals to evolutionists, they should be classified as birds because they lay eggs. 😅 He also explained when asked: if all coal was made in the Flood only 4400 years ago why doesn't all coal show large amounts of 14C? His response was *rainwater* washed all the 14C out of coal and left the 12C. 😂🤣.
No one is crazier than Kent Hovind. And he just had all his channels pulled from UA-cam.
@Carl Gray
Wow!! Any ideas why they were pulled?
@@Raz.C spreading disinformation.
@Carl Gray
I hope that's an indication that demonstrably false bullshit will get shut down (ie- flat earth, reality-deniers, etc) also. However, in Kunt Hovind's case, it's clear that he's being deliberately dishonest, whereas most reality-deniers are different, in that they're just too stupid to know better.
@@carlgray523 Difficult to beat Ken Ham
Another great response video to these disingenuous interlocutors. However, there are multiple times in this video where you reference your previous videos and point but there is no link, clickable or otherwise. Most of us know how to find them, but it looks odd when you point to the air and nothing shows up. Very minor criticism. Much more importantly, all of your actual arguments and counterpoints are spot on. Keep doing what you do.
Yesterday Genius Donny Budinski (SFT) posted a 1 min. video where he claims he has completely refuted evolution by invoking genetic entropy. 😄 It's amazing he refutes evolution 2-3 times a week every week but the Nobel Prize committee still ignores him. 🙂
Genetic entropy =old age , how biology/evolution gets around that is called sexual reproduction
Him, and Trump😂😂
Sam Burns! 👋
Gaslighting SFT? Lol!
Did he cut and paste from Matt Powell?
Used to have a West Highland White terrier.
Great little dogs. Buster was more Young Toy Destructionist.
Being a dog, and had no figs to give about the age of the earth, so long as the very top layer was diggable.
Westies are Besties. I have a little Westie called Loki. He's 2 years old and has lots of skin issues but I'm so happy that I'm his human.
"Overdosed on paper" might be the funniest phrase I've heard in weeks. You win the month.
I love how creationists try and explain 6000 years and Noah's ark "scientifically" but never how a snake or donkey can talk. Or mention the cave of Lot! I'm waiting for that attraction to show up at The Ark Encounter.
PS what happened to your opening music?
love how he descibes her references to the tube clip as "Erika has complimented me... I think"
Thank you for explaining the science, showing the papers and making it understandable.
More collabs with Forrest Valkai, please! You two are two of my favorite science communicators, and I loved that video ya'll did together recently. Get Aron Ra involved too so we can get a nerd-rant triad going!
What do you call a herd of liars?
@Kenneth A con artist confederacy? A party of perjury? A clutch of cheats? A faction of fraud? A bundle of bullshitters?
@@Kenneth-ts7bp Creationists
+1 @forrestvalkai
I have given up trying to reason with young earthers by presenting facts. That process takes the ability to reason. Their beliefs are not based on reason so they simply can’t comprehend the arguments. I might as well be speaking Martian. 🤷🏼♀️
It sucks, but it's still worthwhile.
1. Lots of people have actually changed their minds about creationism, including me.
2. There are often other people on the fence observing the debate, and even if you don't persuade your opponent, you might still convince others.
I shed the last remnants of my Creationism by being shown a way out, not by being corrected.
I needed to see videos that talked about non-literal ways to interpret the Bible. I needed to be told that I could keep some of these things in my life that I still needed and showed how I could let go of the bits that conflicted with science.
Don't know if that helps. Joel Duff is a thiestic evolutionist as well as Science-side Up if these are UA-cam folks that you're talking to. Might be a place to where they can start?
@@InquisitiveBible yeah, Erika herself was a former creationist
@@CelestialAnamoly That's a great point about being shown a way out. People need to know that abandoning creationism can give them a richer and more honest experience of the Bible, for example.
@@CelestialAnamoly Guess I'll bring up InspiringPhilosophy's Genesis series. Stephen de Young is kind of hard to pin down, he might be an old earth creationist(?), but he does seem to at least think the literary and allegorical meanings are also in there
I need to get a colander and some general FSM paraphernalia.
Praise his Noodly Appendage for it has reached down and touched our hearts🙏
Almost any other creator, I am very leery of watching videos that are over an hour. But I love seeing it in your videos because you are consistently interesting, informative, and pleasant to listen to.
It's like a lecture, but fun.
You like wasting your life with science fiction?
@@Kenneth-ts7bp You spelt "non-fiction" incorrectly. Our public school system failed you.
@@TheCadman069 The public school system didn't teach me science fiction. I have never believed in evolution, old age cosmology, climate change, or genocidal virology and immunology.
@@Kenneth-ts7bp I'm not surprised at any of that.
"award-winning flood researchers"
I didn't know we were counting childhood sports participation trophies for "award-winning" but if that's the case I must have the equivalent of three Harvard PhDs according to Donny Deals since I once won _a bronze medal_ for soccer back in the day. I guess it doesn't matter, either, that the pool of soccer players that year must've been terrible because our game was a complete shut-out losing nine to zero in the tournament and still got third place. So yeah, I must be the most amazing researcher ever since I failed just as much as those "flood researchers" but still got a decent award.
I got second place in a geography bee in middle school. So if I were a YEC I could be an award winning flood researcher too!
Wow, I have no idea why the UA-cam algorithm showed me your video, but I watched it all with horrified fascination. I thought creationists rejected all scientific explanations because they don't understand them. I didn't know that there were people trying to disprove science through science.
As someone completely new to this topic, I have so many questions. Like, what is this "secular" science they speak of? I know that a lot of scientists are atheists, but not all. Some manage to reconcile science and religion by simply not taking the Bible literally. Like, I went to a Catholic private school in Europe (we still had a nun as a head teacher in my first year of high school) and we were taught normal science, and even in our mandatory religious education the teacher told us that the Bible was written by humans over a long period of time and as such should not be taken literally but rather read in a cultural and historical context. We were absolutely taught about the big bang and evolution and all that (or at least the dumbed-down high school version of these complex processes).
Also, we have written historical accounts that are older than 6000 years, how do they account for that?
It seems to me that these people are grasping at so many straws... Maybe they think that if they grasp at enough straws, they can build a boat (similar to the boats used by ancient Egyptians 6000+ years ago) that will keep them and their theories afloat?
If you're really completely new to all this prepare for a wild ride. These guys are pretty tame. You should also brace yourself to be frustrated and, I'm sorry to say, disgusted by some of these people.
I was raised in a religious home, but far from fanatical. The church we attended was progressive and had no issues with science or evolution. It's strange seeing people who must deny all of reality to maintain their religious beliefs. If you wind up being drawn into the vortex that is the flat-earth universe it gets even weirder. I actually can't watch original videos because it's too frustrating, but I've picked up a lot of things from channels like this one, since they explain the real science as they go along.
Not that I'm smart enough to really follow Erica, to be honest. But I try!
"Secular science" is merely science that doesn't work with Creationism. They actually talk about the thiestic evolutionists near the end of this video; that's the term for religous folks that don't have any issues accepting modern science (like me).
More extreme Creationists even create an Us vs. Them mentality of the "real" Christians vs everyone who disagrees with them as "atheists" grouping together atheists and agnostics and most the rest of Christianity and members of all of the other religions on Earth; you know, "them"
@kathilisi - Oh you poor, poor dear! 😉 Welcome to the weird world of Young Earth Creationism made wonderful by the loving debunkings of Gutsick Gibbon and her friends: Creation Myths, Dapper Dinosaur, and Reason to Doubt - all very good and very fun channels.
I had heard about YECs in passing, but never really thought much about them. The Christianity I learned as a child was more focused on the Jesus stuff like loving your neighbors and enemies as yourself, etc. Even the supposed resurrection wasn't much a part of it. It was mentioned, but I think more of, like, a metaphor or something - not as something that anyone thought literally happened.
(I barely even remember the "virgin birth" thing. Guess they left that part mostly out because...well...it's just weird and doesn't really add to the lesson. I mean, if Jesus was really implanted into Mary somehow and it wasn't Joseph, that would mean god had sex with her, right? Lol. Ok. That's fine, I guess)
Many scientists I know are religious or spiritual in some way. Heck, the more I learn about physics or evolution, the more wondrous the universe all seems! I don't know where these YECs get the idea that science and religion are opposed. I've seen many atheists make this error as well - many of them tend to think atheism is the only rational way to think about the universe. But I know of no test or experiment yet that can definitively prove or disprove a god or gods. Nor does logic preclude such. To me, it seems just as irrational to proclaim for certain one over the other.
(And not for nothing, but I noticed dogmatic thinking whether in theism or atheism tends to be accompanied by some truly nasty political positions - like the "bootstraps" view of economics or heinous cruelty to members of the LGBTQIA+ community.)
But with all these conspiracy theories lately bursting out of control and leading to rampant Covid infections and nearly the end of democracy in my country (the United States), I look upon all anti-science groups with a sense of horror and urgency.
So get comfy, strap in, and enjoy the ride! Nobody gently destroys anti-science proponents better than the Gibbon herself!
Young-Earthers (or at least Answers in Genesis) claim that the idea of the Earth being older than 6,000 years is a baseless assumption made by atheists in the 19th century to DESTROY Christianity with FACTS and LOGIC.
Lol you are a treasure G.G for rational thinking and science.
Got tired of the flat earthers and I'm happy to find your channel. Feel like I graduated to a finer grade of kook. I didn't realize there were still young earthers. I'm old. No, not that old (5000 yrs) but YE Creationists were thinning out over 40 years ago when I was in my early 20s. We didn't have much of an internet back then so kooks weren't gifted an instant platform. Subscribed, and I'm going to start devouring your past content.
Have YE Creationists tackled Dendrochronology as a means of calibrating C14? That's pretty darn accurate.
@25:30 Concerning George Bonds ramblings about Abernathyite not proving an old Earth... he simply doesn't know what he is talking about. When he blathers about Abernathyite needing to have more lead than Uranium in order to show that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old that's just a load of bollox. If anything he has to take the age of the geological formation where a certain mineral is found, not the age of the Earth. In case of Abernathyite the type locality is the Fuemrol mine in the Temple Mountain, Utah (and there are only a few other places on Earth where this mineral is found). The adjacent geological layer - the Moss Back Member of the Chinle Formation - is from the late Triassic and about 220 million years old, nowhere near the 4.5 billion years of the Earth age. So just on this account he is dead wrong.
But here comes the kicker. Abernathyite is a *secondary* mineral. This means it doesn't form together with the rock formation where it is found but much later. If you don't know when that was you can't make any predictions how much lead should be in your mineral sample.
In fact Abernathyite is formed only in oxidizing conditions and can only be found as a thin coating on ores, and this only very rarely and exclusively in mines. What does that mean? It means that it probably formed only when the ore containing layers were exposed to the atmosphere and Oxygen could access the rock. In which case you would expect only very tiny amounts of lead or no lead at all. BTW: The ore itself indeed contains lead at about a single digit percentage rate of the Uranium content, fitting nicely its age of about 220 million years.
I laughed out loud when I saw Billy Butcher (GG) looking back on Homelander (DD) from the crowd !!
Can we just appreciate how amazing (and savage at the same time) KC is? :)
Donny playing blackjack
Dealer: "Oof. Sorry. Looks like you busted."
Donny: "Nah. Hit me."
Dealer: "But... You have over 21, sir."
Donny: "I don't care! I said hit me!"
Commenting because i can’t directly help pay your mortgage. Thanks for your work.
I think the problem with the miracle solution is that it falls into another problem of God being deceptive, which is not allowed as per Numbers 23 : 19, Titus 1 : 2, and Hebrews 6 : 18.
Luke 19:40 has my favorite verse when it comes to debunking YEC only within the confines of the Bible itself.
When asked why he doesn’t command his followers to stop “lying” (by which the people meant “speaking about Jesus being the son of god”), Jesus says that “if they should remain silent, the stones themselves would speak.”
And there you have it folks, the Bible has spoken: YECs can’t speak on the subject because they can’t answer any of the issues with their model. So it’s up to the stones to speak. And, lo and behold, the stones say they are billions of years old
"I don't know how it works, but I know it doesn't work." While there possibly are moments where that sentence makes sense and is still true.. This isn't one, and I can't think of one.
Speaking of Nephie sightings... I had one exchange with the guy. I brought up the phenomenon of human tails. Old Neph said the instances of human tails are actually psuedo tails seen in cases of spina bifida. Oh, the poor ignorant fool! I let him know that my son has spina bifida, and I know the difference between psuedo tails and instances of true tails that have muscles. Also, the true tails seem to be linked to having genetics in common with mice. He then blocked me. I guess he didn't like being called out by someone that has first hand experience with spina bifida.
Does it bother SFT and such that calling it a miracle means we have a trickster god? A god that went far out of his way to make the world look old, even though it "is young". So clearly god wants us to believe the world is old. If not, why didn't he just leave physics alone and let it look young?
If you’re going to be consistent with calling the McQueen person by his proper appellation, you should call him, not a ding- dong, but what my mum (an Aussie war bride) would have, “A real drongo”.
Thanks, Erika, for all you do. It’s an uphill battle but I always enjoy your videos.
Another great video. Thank you.
Donny B was a used car salesman in Windsor Ontario. That’s all you need to know.
Wait until you find out that George "Bond" is not George's real name and that he's not even remotely a scientist...
@@standingfortruthexposed thanks? And?
@@parkinson1963 his real name is George Stefanidis. He's a retired civil engineer and in no way a scientist. I suppose the big question is: why is he hiding his identity? I wonder what these cretins are afraid of?
Probably chased out by irate father's. . .
Even if he has 100 actual "heat problems" in non-creationist science, it doesn't address the argument against a claim they make labeled the "heat problem". They are so invested in sounding scientific, they lost sight of the claim it is arguing about.
Even completely disproving scientific theories doesn't prove, or even support their assertion. We fall into the trap because we are trying to spread science, but the best reply is simply "even if that is true, how does that support your assertion or address the topic at hand?"
The are believers in "authority" and authority figures (it's how religion works, actully). Accordingly, they think that if they refute evolution, we back-track to creationism by default. This is why they talk about "Darwinism" so much. It's not a thing to science, but it is to them and their world-view.
In the extraordinary case of evolution being overthrown, nothing would dismay them more than to find that creationism got no traction of out of it. The conspiracy theories that would arise would be monumental.
@@curious968I suppose I can see the logic. If they managed to prove that science as a whole does not work in any provable way, they could argue for an obviously magical universe where rules don’t exist.
For instance, we all know that if you have one apple and eat it, you have no apples left. 1 - 1 = 0. However, if a YEC managed to prove on paper that they have an apple they can eat and still have an apple, if they could break causality itself, they could argue that existence is miraculous.
Of course, the problem is that literally everything on earth works based on causality so, good luck showing testable evidence of this, but I can appreciate the idea
Who else can imagine Erica in the gym pumping iron and listening to YEC propaganda 😂
It is slightly dangerous because you can facepalm with a dumbbell if they say something unexpectedly egregious. It does seem to get her worked up though.
It will only take them little time to return to "There is no heat problem". They always run in circles, like their reasoning.
-When in danger, run in circles
-When in doubt, scream
-When cornered, smile
source- a fridge magnet I saw years ago, so it has to be good advice, right?
"My disappointment is immeasurable. And my day is ruined." 😂 classic. This is the second video I've seen in the past couple days that used that clip.
I thought "gutsick gibbon" was a reference to early apes eventually evolving out of lactose intolerance. My bad
How to these "Young Earthers" argue abut the rest of the universe? If its also just a few thousand years old we would not even able to see our own galaxy due to light speed. If it is 13.7bn years old, what is the point of creating the Earth "last minute".
Jason Lisle addresses that. It's bullshit, but he actually made up a fantasy to address the ancient appearance of the cosmos.
Lisle is a PhD astrophysicist that contributes to and is a peer reviewer of AiG's pseudoscientific "Answers Journal." These dingbats have created a complete alternative universe out of (pardon my pun) nothing.
When I was wondering about how many major impact craters had been identified so far on Earth. Wikipedia say about 190 as of 2017. So in 6000 years that would average a major impact about every 31.5 years. So there would have been a major event about every generation, if you include the impacts that have not been identified. If they were happening that often, you would have thought that somebody would have mentioned it. 🤔
God shotpeened the planets and moons to create spheres. It's obvious spheres are engineered and can never occur naturally.
I have a friend who thinks they all happened during the flood. And somehow the boat survived that!! 😂
Just like you'd think somebody would have noticed all of that rapid speciation during the first few generations after the boat landed
@@SarahElisabethJoyal I don't really understand what could have been left to rapidly speciate. There will have been barely any food for the herbivores and they would have immediately been eaten by the carnivores, then the carnivores would have starved!
@@leslieviljoen every time I watch an Ark cartoon it shows them getting off the boat and everything's all green and lush and I'm just like but where are all the piles of corpses??
The real fantasy these people hold is revealed when he he is creepily fondling the cardboard tube, and says, "We've been working on this for a year and we're still not ready to publish yet." If an article on their proposed subject were published, it would revolutionize science, so it would have to be published in Science or Nature. The chances of them publishing anything in such a journal is too low to express in comprehensible notation.
They won't even try outside of their creationist echo chamber. Bet.
Erica, thanks for all the work you do in the service of science!
I think there's a lot of value in knowledgeable people like you continuing to debunk young earth creationism. I couldn't do it, but good for you for having the patience for it.
Promised you a miracle
Belief is a beauty thing
Promises, promises
Yes, your videos are a little, teeny, weeny bit long, but the information in them make them seem so short. You and Forrest Valkai are so enjoyable, if I had teaching methods like this in school I would have been a better student.
The portions of this video with you, awesome. The portions with YEC talking, yikes! I felt sorry for that pot, it had better things to do than be the Crown of Ignorance. And McQueen thinks science is cult like? Most scientists and science lovers tend to be very non-conformist, so we would run away screaming from anything that involved a group mindset. I guess when you're in a cult it's easy to see it everywhere else. :)
At 25:30, I really wanted some Popeye's Chicken, or rather beans with biscuits. Alas, I live in the woods, hundreds of miles from the nearest Popeye's.
something ive always wondered. the evolutionary origin of "wisdom teeth." or in general how many teeth primates have. have you done a video on that?
Jaws got smaller. Easiest answer ever
Primates have massive jaws and jaw muscles that are attached to a protruding ridge at the top of the skull. In Homo Sapiens that gene is defective and the jaw is atrophied and the zygomatic arch is reduced. Humans are also born with under developed skulls and brains. The bone plates do not fuse for 3 to 6 months after birth. During birth this allows the head of the baby to distort as it passes through the birth canal.
"Most scientists don't even know people like you still exist" is the most damning, amazing smack down in this entire video. As someone who's also in the biological sciences, this is dead on. The rare few scientists who do "debate" creationist largely due so for fun and as a hobby. No one in the scientific community takes them seriously. YE Creationism is taken about as seriously as the people who claim that Sasquatch is a hyperdimensional alien or flat earthers.
It honestly confuses me that they try to defend it pseudo-"scientifically" when there is no getting around the fact that their beliefs violate countless physical laws and the only option is divine intervention, and in fact their very beliefs are predicated on it. What purpose does pretending there is a naturalistic explanation even accomplish? If they found one, it would only dispel the need for a God to be involved in any of the biblical events they are trying to prove and render then no longer miraculous. Even worse, it makes their God look incredibly limited by being entirely bound to naturalistic laws and incapable of divine action. You think they would be more interested in trying to prove that something happened that explicitly excluded scientific, naturalistic explanation.
Love this video, lots of info. I love how they accuse us of doing the same thing they are doing. Altering the data to match the model, which is not how the scientific method works.
And by the way, you have waaaaaay more patience than I have.
I love how often you find YEC online arguing for Young Earth and arguing against radiometric dating, again ONLINE.
Do they not realize the science OF radiometric dating lead to the invention of transistors? The whole point THEY ARE ONLINE validates radiometric dating.
Some people just want to watch the world learn. Some of those people are Gutsick Gibbons
“tube” -david mcqueen
Your content is fantastic as always, thank you for that. One criticism though - that "clown-noise" is horrible. I thought my headphones were broken, it feels awful. Other than that, perfect!
It seems odd that YECs are comfortable with one miracle (creation) but not others (supernatural heat dissipation). Why not just explain everything with the one miracle they're comfortable with, i.e. "the Earth/universe was created 'as is' 6,000 years ago (or 2,000 years ago, or last week) in a way that just makes it LOOK old." Problem solved.
SFT does the same thing regarding Flat Earth. He makes outlandish statements as fact with no evidence and excoriates the opponent(s) if they don't immediately agree and won't allow them to rebut.
My experience is that anything with "truth" in the title has a tenuous relationship with verity.
Why didn’t they just say that the decay products were all put there at the start to look like that?
But don't you know, the Earth is flat and outside the firmament is all water, so the Earth is just water cooled.
So easy to get a workable solution for the heat problem if you're also a silly flat Earther.
I can’t help but think that this is standard conservatism. They create their own news channels they have their own “facts” taught to children in their own “institutions.” Then they ignore channels such as yours which easily debunk their arguments. It’s gonna be an interesting few decades.
@1:02:00 if I may paraphrase Bond in a movie context: "It's just your ASSUMPTION that being underwater for several years without a breathing gear means you'll drown, so Jack COULD be still alive down on the Titanic."
Loved your video, Erika. Very brief. Very concise.
Brief? :-)
A miracle would be nice.
George poses unanswered questions, that's a polite way of saying George makes unfounded assertions.
38:00 George "Bond" is described as a "scientist"... He absolutely IS NOT A SCIENTIST! Ask me how I know...
Hi Erika
Another thing that YECs fail to account for is:
The flood is supposed to have covered the highest mountains, right? That includes Mt. Everest, meaning that the volume of the earth would increase, as would its diameter. Since Everest is about 8km above sea level, that means sea levels would need to rise by about 9km above 'current' sea levels.
If you use those values to calculate the new diameter and thus volume of the earth, you find that the atmosphere becomes incapable of stretching over the entire surface. Anything above about 1 metre becomes inhospitable and incapable of supporting human life.
It's been about 20 years since I did these calculations, so I can't remember the exact results, so I recommend you run the numbers yourself. But from memory, the air at 1 meter above sea level during 'the flood' had as much oxygen content as air at 20,000 feet altitude today!
Also, be aware that these calculations are a real bitch. If you can't find anyone willing to do them, lemme know and I'll run the numbers here.
Their solution to this problem tho is that say that Everest wasn't that high at the time tho and that the erupting of the "fountains of the deep" and plate tectonics created Mt Everest later on. They reckon the waters weren't that high.
They may rely on the necessary layer of air to have come from the same place the water came from. Do not count on them to use known science in an honest way
@@AlanLow I would assume use Mount Ararat as a measuring tool then, as a lot of YEC’s believe that was the mountain Noah actually made landfall on, at 5,165 Meters/16,854 feet above sea level, I’m sure even at that distance the atmosphere would be stretched thinner than it should be.
Ian Juby rocking the Crazy Dave look from Plants vs Zombies
✌🏾️ just showing love.
Gotta love apologists. "You atheists are so arrogant. Now, I have no relevant qualifications to publish in ANY science and have never really done so but I can debunk every bit of the science in the world from the people that do actuallly have the qualifications and gone through the effort of publishing. You should try being humble like me."
I don't know if Erika did this video right after a workout, or just chose to wear her exercise gear as an extra subtle dig, but it works.
I think she’s super pretty
Way to argue a lying grifter into the ground Gibbon!
One of the things I'm starting to appreciate about you more and more as I keep falling into the rabbit hole of you channel while playing minesweeper all god damned day, is your genuine enthusiasm to be presented with compelling evidence to the contrary. I think this is something faith guided conspiracy theorists like creationists and flat earthers and that kind of thing keep fundamentally misunderstanding about the scientific process. Any time you can prove not only that an existing model doesn't work, but present a new model that explains the data better, this is a HUGE boon to our collective understanding of the world around us. Curiosity and the incredible rush of discovery drives our need to understand these things in the first place. When you get your entire cosmology neatly wrapped up in a package already explained for you with all the answers, there's no longer anything left to discover, there's no more science to do. This perspective is deeply unsettling to me personally and I keep seeing again and again when I watch these kinds of videos (I... may or may not have a problem) that these people perceive a lack of answers as a failing on the entirety of modern science. Which isn't... how anything works. Science is just the tool to answer those questions. And sure in the heat of the moment it is essentially just a long passive aggressive argument, but seeing you get so excited at the prospect of one of these goof balls FINALLY doing the work and having an actual answer to the problem... it's infectious! It makes me excited too! Do they really mean it this time? Will we have to throw out all the old textbooks? What kind of incredible paradigm shift is about to happen? Like, sure, I know they've got nothing, but even just the possibility that you've engaged someone enough to start thinking critically about this stuff... it's pretty cool.
How would YEC explain BIFs (banded iron formations)? I'm genuinely curious about what they could come up with.
Find your nearest D&D-playing friend, ask to borrow a d3, roll it, and get your answer without needing to interact with _those "people"_
1. A literal wizard did it with magic.
2. That's just what THEY(tm) want you to believe.
3. We're looking at the same facts(tm)(r)(c) we're just coming to different conclusions(tm)(r)(c).
2 trillion H bombs? That's only like 10^12! Just a rounding error!
"The radiation is coming from inside the boat!" Has me dying.
Unimportant, but the very first gun he pointed at his foot was semiautomatic. Almost all handguns are. The final weapon may or may not have been FULLY automatic.
Fun fact on a not related note: The persian mathematician Al-Khwarizmi, whose name was used to coin the term algorithm, introduced around 850 CE the decimal system to muslim science, from where it found its way to Europe four hundred years later.
(Is this understandable english? Might be some sort of learned gibberish as well...)
Yes, your English is very good 👍
It's stunning how much intellectual work was being done in West and South Asia while Central and Western Europe were losing their minds during and immediately after the fall of Rome.
@@andrejg4136 A lot of the lack of perceived progress during the Early Middle Ages in Western Europe was because research and education were devoted to theology for the most part. Innovation happened in other fields, especially trades, but the philosophy largely centered on Christian theology rather than a scientific philosophy of the world. Science was almost incidental, like herbal cures for advancing medicine, although they were still limited by their adherence to Galenic and humoral medicine
@@redpandah3309 Thank you so much 🙂
Something I found that interested me was that Fibonacci was instrumental in the introduction of the decimal system into Europe 🤯
Wow!!! I had no idea that McQueen worked at Virginia State University. That's impressive....NOT! VSU is an open enrollment school, and nearly every applicant gets accepted. This is basically the same as a community college. No offense to community college students, but you should realize that it is not comparable to MIT or Stanford.
guys, this is legendary
The more legit you become, the less that you should pretend that the young Earth creationists have anything worthy to contribute to the discussion.
(Ace cisfemale speaking) Gutsick Gibbon, I don't know what you're doing differently here, but you just look BEAUTIFUL in this vid! Maybe it's your aura of brilliance and confidence. I hope I have that someday.
I bet you ten to one that they will still claim the heat problem solved within the next 30 days
Admit it? They embrace it. They BELIEVE in miracles. That's why you can't rationalize with a YEC. They have a fundamentally different view of the world and how it works
They really don't want to admit it though. They would lose the "obviousness" of their wholly babble being true
I miss trolling Dave McQueen on social media. He always threatens to sue 😀
Donny was trying to get me to debate him just last week....he cut off all communication after I mentioned the heat problem problem as presented by Erika. Pretty funny...
I keep envisioning Indiana Jones...
"We have top men working on it."
Well we still have flat earthers at the bottom rung so we need at least one group to exist on the next rung up.
Water shields neutrons, specifically the hydrogen atoms. Fast neutron collides with a hydrogen nucleus (a proton) and since they have nearly the same mass, the fast neutron imparts around half its kinetic energy to the proton.
Gammas are not especially shielded by water. Gammas are split into electrons and positrons near heavy nuclei, such as lead. Neither hydrogen nor oxygen of water are heavy nuclei, so the shielding is minimal.
You don't even need to get that complicated. If the flood laid down the radioactive material, then it was in the water during this accelerated decay (or it would not be in the rocks in the geologic column). The radioactivity didn't filter through miles of water. The water wasn't a shield, it was the source.
@@randolphphillips3104 I get what you are saying, but not 100% of the radiation is coming from all parts of the water at once. A source can also be a shield for radiation produced elsewhere in that body of the source. I can't remember what the tenth thickness of water was for gamma, but I know it was a lot. I used to know it when I went through US Navy Nuclear Power School in the mid 90s, but that was quite some time ago.
I feel that you take these science deniers too serious. In the flat earth debunking society it is science mixed with point and laugh. I guess you are a too nice person Erika.
Edit when I heard Donny "moderate" the debate on his SFT channel between the inmate Hovind and Atheist JR I lost all confidence in Donny.
The important thing to recognize here is that those kinds of debunks are not made to make science deniers change their mind, that is close to impossible. Fanatic belief is incurable by reality. Those listening to them though - at least some of them are absolutely listening to arguments seriously. For those it's incredibly important that whenever they choose to investigate one of their favorite YEC-dudes' claims, a good debunk can be found.
Point and laugh is great, don't get me wrong. But since the YEC community/evangelicals are much more dangerous to society than flatties, some careful consideration is needed.
Love you and your videos
What's also funny about some of these creationists is they think they're the only ones being sceptical and critical of science... but they don't seem to realise (or don't want to realise) that this has all been done before by SCIENTISTS! That is their job, to be critical. Scientists make creationists look cute in comparison. Do they have ANY idea how ruthless peer review is?
What Creationists are doing nothing new, as best they're just a 100 years late, and don't use a structured system of logic and base all their efforts around an Abrahamic myth! 😂
I'd wager large sums of money that their sum total of "working on this" equates to an order of magnitude less time than them making youtube videos where they talk about working on this.