The Death of "Scientific Creationism"?
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Hi guys I don’t have telegram please don’t respond to the bots pretending to be me! Also a hearty thank you to the creationists who are genuinely responding to this with “nuh uh” you people keep bread on my table 😊
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to be fair, saying "xy amount of H bombs per km^3" is not a very precise measure. a H bomb can range from several 10s of kt (IIRC the smallest one was bellow a kt) to 50Mt, which is a really wide range
@o-hogameplay185 I would guess that Erica knows this and would be calculating at an average or top end scale of the bombs. But more importantly, talking about H-bombs is just for the visualisations for people that struggle with maths. Using pure numbers can confuse people... saying 40 H-bombs per square what ever is very easy to visualise.
@@arcken3821 yeah i know, it's just bugs my mind.
you know it's like the title "asteroid the size of a half giraffe", like a giraffe is one of the most disproportional animal when we are talking about half of it
@@GutsickGibbon evolution is a myth. I will prove it with a simple question. Who taught the first baby how to breastfeed?
You don't see faith healers
working in hospitals for the
same reason you don't see
psychics winning the lottery.
UA-cam doesn't much like outside links, but If you look up _xkcd the economic argument,_ you'll probably get a good chuckle.
Hospitals and the lottery have a lot in common.🤔
@@AlbertaGeek a good chuckle indeed
@@1ApeinSpace or as Tim Minchin put it: "You know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine."
@@mikey-wl2jt or as ApeinSpace put it: "You know what they call alternative facts that's not true? Lies"
"Welp, science isn't working for us young earth creationists, guess it's time to lie, like we do for everything else."
EVERYTHING else.
They gotta lie for Jeebus!
I mean... they were lying regarding science anyway
amen 🙏🏽
without lies, creationism dies
Every creationist argument boils down to: *[argument from incredulity]* therefore *[god of the gaps]*
They're all rhetorical Hip Swerves, like the Legal System uses when the one side has a weak case.
“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell”
- Carl Sandburg
@@rbaxter286”if you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit”
There's also the good ol' general "arguments" of *[baseless denial of reality as we know it]* and *[straight up lie]* hahaha.
Its always interesting to see people focus on god so much, in spite of the veneer of hatred of god.
Its almost like dating. Hatred is not the opposite of love. Apathy is. And I have seen passionate hatred turn into love in just a few moments more than once.
Don'5 mind me im rambling lol.
Every young earth creationist argument is just that....an argument whereas science is based on observable, testable and verifiable facts. YECs can only feign a fact based foundation but can NOT actually provide one.
"Who still believes in this stuff anyway? It's 2024"
*1/3 of Congress* 😶🌫️
Oh, your poor country. You have my sympathies.
2024 is also the average age of a member of congress
@@todo9633 the youngest member of congress is 2024, the rest were born in ancient times
@@samuilzaychev9636erm actually 2024 years ago was also considered ancient times 🤓
Logically, I understand that I did not have control over what I was taught growing up.
Emotionally, I'm embarrassed that I was a Young Earth Creationist for 20+ years
Allow me to emotionally reassure you that it's okay. I'm just glad you made it out.
Practically, you’ve demonstrated strong mental resilience and critical thinking which is more than can be said for a lot of people and will help you greatly going forward ❤
There is no shame here mate, you were exposed to new information, you grew, you changed your understanding and you abandoned old ideas, that is the exact opposite of shameful, what IS shameful is getting new information and abandoning it to hold on to comfortable beliefs. If you must feel something about being a young earth creationist for that long, feel pride that you no longer are.
@@sammysamlovescats I feel you. The brainwash from childhood can be difficult to overcome. Even eighteen years after de-converting I still find blind spots due to the intentional miseducation.
I feel your pain. Our parents were ignorant, and now we have to pay for their mistakes. It’s bullshit.
"This looks like a point at which God intervened." You know, John, that's where someone who's actually careful with their science would say, "Huh, looks like my model doesn't work. Time to rethink it."
What would God need to perform a SPECIAL INTERVENTION? Couldn't He have designed it to not require outside intervention?
@@christal2641 Yep. It just seems completely unnecessary. Done for the sake of...getting the numbers to where they are today because Reasons. Because those numbers cannot be allowed to mean what they appear to.
They twist, they turn, they double back... but in the end, they have to admit it all comes down to "God did it!"
They believe in Magic, Magic, Magic 😅
At least God did it is a honest approach to Creationism.
Or as honest as it can possibly be.
"God did it" is useless because the ultimate purpose of science is predicting outcomes
I wish they just argued that god made the world look old instead of saying the earth somehow looks young.
Twitching and twisting (shoutout to the 1 other person who watches Gutsick Gibbon and RM Brown)
My favorite flood model is that the forerunners contained the parasite with a set of galaxy-killing ring-shaped weapons
This took me out lmao, well done
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Dang bro I'm not even Erika but that's some crazy generosity
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-Creation is scientific.
-What about the heat problem?
-Divine heat sink go Brrrrr!
"Why do you think the sun is so hot now 5 head?"
😂brilliant synopsis
You will never defeat creationism, as you will never defeat God, as God is what created all, so the the life in this earth, evolutionism is held because creationism. So creationism is the only reason the universe exist, therefore God. Yes therefore God, not monkeys..
@@rainbowkrampusYou will never defeat creationism, as you will never defeat God, as God is what created all, so the the life in this earth, evolutionism is held because creationism. So creationism is the only reason the universe exist, therefore God. Yes therefore God, not monkeys...
@@Mar-dk3mp This is really interesting. You've hit on the form of syllogisms. But you've not actually engaged with any of the underlying principles of logic.
For example:
Bible god created all.
"the the life in this earth"(sic)
Creationism is the only reason the universe exists.
Therefore, Bible god.
You've not actually established Bible god at all here. You engage in what's called "begging the question". Your conclusion relies on an assumed truth within your premises.
Note:
"Bible god created all" assumes the existence of Bible god, which you then used to assert the truth of the conclusion, that Bible god exists, even though you've done nothing to establish the truth of Bible god in the first place.
So like, how is it that you've picked up on the aesthetic of formal logic without actually engaging with the thing itself?
Have you seen other people use this structure? Did you learn to copy it? What motivated this? Did you think it would lend you some perception of authority? Did you think that mimicking the structure of formal logic would result in your argument being correct?
Did you consider that, in adopting this form, people who actually understand a thing or two about formal logic would instantly recognize the deficiencies in your attempt? Are you aware that putting your argument into a formal structure like this actually makes it easier to notice the problems with it, as opposed to using colloquial language which can sometimes obscure the unsoundness of an argument?
Also, I don't know of a single person who thinks that monkeys created the universe. I'm not sure where you got that idea. But it is pretty funny.
I'm fascinated that dealing with the heat is viewed as a problem, whereas the fact that there is no known method of changing the speed of radioactive decay is no problem at all.
It's what happens when you're committed to holding a world view that is not compatible with reality.
The accelerated decay assertion they casually throw around is exactly what they did when they realized they had to suck it tf up and deal with the fact that there are way too many "kinds" around today to have fit on the ark.
So now they blithely claim that the 'pair' of each specific kind they're claiming was on the ark, rapidly diversified, or evolved if you will, into the myriad species and such we see today, within no time upon exiting the ark.
To the best of my knowledge they don't even pretend to explain how this sudden rapid diversification occurred, why it appears to have been utterly inconsistent across the animal kingdom, or how and why it apparently suddenly ceased happening.
And I guess I could look up to see what their official BS assertions are on it, but it doesn't matter.
That is what should be brought up anytime anyone finds themselves facing someone insisting the flood story happened, and evolution isn't real.
this right here. 👆
😂😂😂😂
The heat is easier for the average nonscientifically inclined person to understand, and therefore, harder to bullshit one's way out of
Right? If a wizard can speed up nuclear decay he can surely poof heat from existence.
@@babotondHi 01P. How about neutron activation, which definitely does change the rate of radioactive decay?? [And yes, there are other methods of doing so.]
Yay new Gutsick Gibbon, fuck my video games time to learn!
@@skyrasouth2967 I did both lol
@@denim_ak You did WHAT to your games?! O.o
@@riluna3695 😂
0:30 It IS a talent, Erika, and you’re the GOAT!
Post-Script: Here is the obvious solution to the heat problem: The Death Star accidentally did a hyperwarp slingshot manouevre around the sun, flinging them back in time. This new level of incompetance REALLY p*ssed off Darth Vader, so to assuage his anger, he wanted to do some therapeutic planet destroying á la Aldoran, so he turned the destructive technology of the Death Star on Earth. Well, remember the afore-mentioned incompetance? Well, what they didn't realize was that when they got thrown back in time it also reversed the polarity of the death ray such that instead of blowing up Earth, it sucked the heat off. In fact, since Darth Vader started doing the distance choking thing with the technicians involved, it delayed them in turning the death ray off, leaving Earth in an ice age. If only they could have had some Vulcans in their crew to do the calculations properly! As it is, the Death Star then had to trundle across the galaxy to that wormhole over by Bajor to get back home. So, how about that? The heat problem AND iceball Earth taken care of in one explanation! Talk about parsimony . . .
Unironically sounds less blatantly fictional than most of their honest attempts to solve the problem.
In fact, since the events of Star Wars happened A Long Time Ago, time travel may not even be necessary for this solution to work.
This endeth the lesson.
Any Death Star fever screed that ends with “parsimony” gets my vote 🫡
"current speaker of the house, who also writes for AiG on occasion"
The US is so utterly fucked beyond repair lmao
You realize speaker of the house isn't a permanent position, right? Not even lifetime. Not even for as long as he's in Congress. Not even for as long as Republicans hold the house. "Beyond repair" is a beyond ridiculous statement.
@@evancarlson5805
You realize the point was that the US are capable to choose such a person in the first place, right?
@Hailfire08 - Work as hard as you can for the Democratic candidates. Help dislodge Johnson from the speakership.
@@picitnew
No the US is not capable of it. A small part of the Republican Party that cannot control its members has put the extremists in charge of the House.
@evancarlson5855
They should just stick to the "it's magic" argument.
The flood literally doesn't work without it. Nor does the ark or the aftermath.
It would be nice if they would and then admit that creationism is not at all scientific. Unfortunately, that is about as likely to happen as someone is to be resurrected from the dead after three days
You should stick to your Deep Time argument.
Once upon Deep Time there was a 🐸 that turned into a 🤴 from Deep Time.
The End
@@elguapo2831 buddy, do you even understand any of what you're talking about? What you just described is a fairytale. I would argue that is what creationism is since there is no scientific evidence to back it up.
The problem with the YECreationists is that they vote.
Our state's governor and former state senator is a young earth creationist.
Nobody who believes in young earth creationism should ever be in a position of political power.
Clicked so fast! I am surrounded by YEC and it tests my sanity! Thank you for keeping me sane.
They exist in reality? How awful, Luckily never met one in real life.
My condolences, must feel like an asylum
@@dogwalker666 I even met not just one but two flat earthers - it's very sad
❤️ oh yes come to West Texas
Your sanity is just fine. Don't let them gaslight you.
It'll never die. Creationism is the equivalent of an anti-intellectual zombie. It doesn't matter how horrible the idea is, someone, somewhere will try and sell people books about how Noah literally existed.
The tombstone gave me the same thought. The necromancers at the Discovery Institute will keep trying to find some way to disturb the corpse and revive it again.
Two words:Flat Earth
It’s amazing that proponents of Flat Earth (and yes, some of them are grifters, seeing the position as a means of profit) aren’t pretzels, given the contortions they go through to justify their position
Myth sometimes is based on a nugget of truth. Some good guy existed when the Tigris river flooded. He had a raft and put his livestock on it. The a-holes in his town died, but proto-Noah floated down river and started his life over with his wife, sons and livestock. Add a few tons of bullshit, mix vigorously and you have Noah and his world wide flood.
To be fair it's not like that headless chicken of Flat Earth which is a true zombie that got revived from irrelevancy.
Creationism has a system behind it which perpetuates and rewards indoctrination. Its relevancy is more closely related to its internal donation machine.
i think religion will always pop up somewhere sometime cos people actually enjoy being conned, but specific religions have come and gone since religion first reared it's ugly head, but any idea who bastet was? she was worshipped for 1000 years, forgotten. christianity and islam will be forgotten one day too, probably replaced by something similar, but gone nonetheless.
If "God" created the world to "look as if" it were billions of years old, that would kind of mean that "God" is a deceiver, but deceit is supposed to be the purview of the devil and the antithesis of "God". I've played games of Twister that were less convoluted than the contortions apologists engage in to explain the contradictions of their big daddy in the sky.
My first and favourite argument.
But they keep coming back with 'God doesn't deceive. People deceive themselves'.
Surprise, surprise.
dude ive argued with that one for so damn long
like yeah why the sky daddy's doing that much of an effort to not just hide himself but to even leave crystal clear signals THAT HE IS NOT FUCKING THERE
best of what i had gotten as a response that "duh maybe all those deceptive evidences were made by the devil"
and this ladies and gents would become the state of the scientific research if they decided to lawfully take them -or any religiously backed entity overall- seriously anywhere
and actually im pretty sure that only thing that prevents yec far there from making such stupid arguments is their hope to be considered as a real "science"
but here in the other -hella dark- side of the world their counterparts can loudly make such idiotic takes and still being taken seriously anyways which is even more 💀if u just thought about it
its just hopeless here
Obviously Satan tricked us into thinking he was God and the real god is actually Satan, unjustly vilified all along. :D
God is ant the deceiver,neo darwinist are. If the earth looked billions of years old, no life wood exsist bee cause of Janet tick load.
It's pretty sad that they think God wants to test their faith by giving them a mind that can analyze nature, and then plant false evidence in nature. God would be making humans doubt their senses and minds that God gave them to prove faith. Basically, God is asking his faithful to become delusional.
Or maybe it's that god didn't want a holy book taken literally.
If they're going to ignore the genocide and murder then being deceived is no problem.
Sounds like ultimately, the answer is going to be either divine intervention, or last Thursdaysim, that the earth was created with the appearance of age.
Either of which means abandoning the pretense of being able to demonstrate creationism scientifically.
Almost like that's been the case from the very beginning, heheh.
Ive never understood the belief that the earth was created to look old. Like, what would even be the point of that? God just having a giggle watching humans panic over fossils? Practical jokes don't really seem like something the Abrahamic god would do, especially considering he used a bear to murder some children for teasing, so then what would the point of aging the earth? It serves literally no purpose to do so, which just leaves the only other solution, that the earth is actually that old. Of course, they don't want to admit that.
16:20 Did he seriously say “if you can dump the heat into space fast enough”?! 😂 He *_must_* know that the only way to “dump” heat into space is by radiation, and that the temperature of an earth sized blackbody that radiates all that heat that quickly would kill anything instantly. But I suppose he doesn’t have those numbers at hand. 😄
He don't understand those number thingys.
@@rembrandt972ifyJason Lisle does not have that excuse, he is a PhD astrophysicist. He is simply lying his ass off for Jebus.
@@PaxofPI Oh, you are right. My mistake. Jason Liar strikes again.
@martinnyberg71 well, you see, maybe the radiation could somehow be so intense, it reaches a point at which it becomes dark energy and stops interacting with anything and is the actual cause of the expansion of the universe, and that’s why it didn’t burn anything?
Oh crap, I hope I didn’t give them any ideas! 😂🤷🏻♂️🤦🏼♂️🤣
@@CharlesPayet 😆👍🏻
So interesting. I love your in-depth explanations. I grew up in East Tennessee, about a couple of hours from where the Scopes trial was held. I think it's important to provide facts to answer myth. My physics teacher (in Texas) was a Baptist but not a holy roller coaster. He emphasized that science is an actual fact based explanation while creationism was a symbolic explanation. He never saw a conflict.
One is science the other is theology . If you want to believe a supernatural being created everything that’s fine . But it is not science and should not be taught as such .
God dissipated the heat to power his jacuzzi.
And tanning bed.
Well, he worked for six days straight - dude's gotta unwind.
God lit a fart to start the Big Bang, so this check out.
I'm not so sure that I understand electricity, although I understand that some people say they do. But I know that just because I don't completely understand it, I don't feel the need to pray and ask forgiveness from every wall socket and light switch I come across.
As an Electrician, I can help a bit.
Nobody " understands" electricity.
We do not know the "what's or why's" of electricity. We are still working on the "Theory of Electricity".. and "Magnetism".
We know how to create it. We have "Ohm's Law" that allows us to measure and control it for our use without killing ourselves. In most practical applications, we use 2 common metals.. copper and aluminum, so we can work with it in a predictable, consistant and safe manner.
I find it kinda funny that a basic mathematical formula for calculating electricity is also used in finance:
voltage = current × resistance
principle = rate × time
Albert Einstein said, “The most powerful force in the Universe is compound interest.”
Be Well!! 😀
probably wouldn't hurt. the electricity gnomes are a conscientious lot but I'm sure they wouldn't mind being acknowledged every now and then
🎵 Ohm...
@@michaelfritts6249 you must be smart because you admit that you don’t know. Bless that intellectual honesty!
My favorite flood model: the flood is ongoing right now and all of what we believe as history, the present, even oneself, is just the death throe hallucinations of one of the flood victims
Solves that pesky heat problem! lol
Nah, the flood as described would kill you so quickly there'd be no time for that. Don't think heavy rain slowly rising the water level. Think high pressure water column slamming down on you and crushing you in an instant. Followed by 40 days of that happening continuously.
People underestimate just how much water would have to drop every second for the flood to actually work as described by a huge amount. And all that kinetic energy would transform into even more heat, as well.
"The flood is still happening" would actually be a great form of copium. Just insist that the extent of the flood is a metaphor and actually it just means the water levels are higher than they used to be. Then cite the fact we're in an interglacial period, meaning that the glaciers are significantly reduced, and insist that the interglacial period started at the time of the flood. Boom, increased water level, ongoing flood, no more heat problem.
@@catpoke9557😂 The metaphor card is just so on target!
"Progressive/Leftist/Scientific/Soft" Christians are full of that bullshit, why not just another exagetical shit?😂
Ooooooh that's good! 😂
I tried bringing up the heat problem to my old pastor, and his explanation was that algebra isn't actually real and therefore my "argument" was not good enough. He then made sure to tell me that I (an engineer) would be welcome back at church if I ever wanted to avoid burning in hell.
_AL_ gebra is clearly a Muslim plot to deceive good Christians and tear them away from the truth of arithmetic
You're kidding. Please tell me you're kidding.
@@Tornadopelt no I don't kid about algebra.
Well, they did say Pi = 3, so I'm not surprised
Classic 😂😂😂💀👻@@DataRae-AIEngineer
Erica has finally reached the level of (UA-cam) academia that she can just cite herself! If you have any experience in academia, this is a MASSIVE flex. It means you’ve basically become the guru of a subject that everyone else cites… I’ll let that sink in 😂
Yet another source of heat YEC must account for 😂
In one so young, it is amazing. She may become THE science communicator of the modern age.
Psudo science will only truely die when we reform our education to the point its good at eradicating this kind of nonsense
I think education is only a part of the problem.
Pseudoscience will only go away once we *stop pretending* that we do not already know, and understand, how dangerous it is that we allow people this freedom and unfettered ability to publicly spew, teach or insist that something is fact, when it in _no_ way could be demonstrated to be so.
Propaganda is effective because it successfully targets particular ideas, or beliefs regarding something someone 'feels is _supposed_ to be a certain way' and in reality it isn't, and this utterly BS hate/fear mongering rhetoric seems to explain why that's the case...
And propaganda comes with a lot of othering rhetoric, constant assertions not to trust anyone who says something different to this narrative...
And it comes with the 'it's us against "them", and it's "their fault" cult building rhetoric, creating the 'informed in-group', giving members the illusion that the group is now armed with _the real_ facts, and their team are going to set it all right! Now they have agency and power to make the thing be 'the way it's supposed to be'!
And that is something anyone is susceptible to. Eradicating as much ignorance as possible will help, but as long as we keep allowing the brainwashing of children and vulnerable adults via publicly spewed BS assertions, we will have a serious problem with conspiracy theories, religious insanity, and continue to see this increasing distrust in legitimate, scientific evidence, and explanation, and the experts in academia who worked to make it happen.
I saw the title of the video and my first thought was "If only!"
Tldw: creationists basically said "nuh-uh" to verifiable fact.
"We have always been at war with Accelerated Nuclear Decay." --Standing for Accelerated Decay
Why do we even need the heat problem? Everything points to an old earth and nothing points to a young earth. There is no scientific controversy.
Having 27 insurmountable problems with their assertions is better than having 26 insurmountable problems with their assertions.
But seriously, creationism apologetics revolves around making a claim that’s not *impossible* (merely staggeringly improbable) and then asserting that that “not-impossible” scenario is what happened. The heat problems pushes past “staggeringly improbable” territory and into “impossible.”
Because there is an Ark encounter and a creation museum and people go to these things.
@@eddiethatvoguy7901-- And public schools that want to teach this stuff alongside actual science, or even instead of science. Some already do!
@@TlalocTemporal don’t know about public schools but definitely some private schools
@@eddiethatvoguy7901conservative evangelical politicians are actively pushing this shit into science classes.
In some districts, teachers are terrified of teaching evolution because it will cost them their jobs and jeopardize their safety.
As long as these grifters can make money off it, or whatever narcissistic reason they do it, they will continue to claim a miracle isn't necessary. They will never say something that threatens their own salary.
My flood model is based on the idea of some ancient water-based giant serpent kaiju doing battle with Godzilla, and it's based on that because I think it'd be cool if it happened and I really want it to be true. Some day, all of science will agree with me on this but for now it is all in Godzilla's mighty radioactive hands if he wants to deliver the proof sooner or later.
“We can use science to prove the Bible!”
-Science disproves the Bible
“Well, it was MAGIC!!”
Goalposts officially shifted 👍🏼
how? because religion have bad breath for faith based reasoning for nothing can solve themself and askiing science to answer the question thats is deluded by religous apologist.
@@DeepKnight-nr6vo I’m guessing you’re not a native enough speaker, so no offense, but that response wasn’t remotely coherent.
@@MrMattSax Maybe for you. It is coherent .Check again my statement. I got it, you are misunderstood. I'm native by myself not the country im living in. Long event short. I'm an athiest. its not magic to disprove, it was psychometric by logic.
@@DeepKnight-nr6vouh they’re not the only one. Looks like gibberish to me too
@@DeepKnight-nr6vo I couldn't understand it. Even in this last post, this sentence that "I'm native by myself not the country I'm living in" makes no sense and is not understandable.
Trying to use science to debunk science is extremely stupid.
The so-called "Abrahamic god" is just an old myth. Get over it! 😏
Thank you for sharing the heat problem. Those videos have opened up a whole new window on why young Earth creationism is wrong. I was raised with a young Earth view and only as an adult did I learn why that belief is wrong.
Yeah, seems silly to think God lies to us, that sounds like what some asshole snake would do.
Just my thoughts, the universe isn't here to deceive us, it's here to teach us.
But what do I know 😅
@Captaintrippz but the serpent didn't lie. In fact it proved the chtistian gods lied.
So when you ask "what do I know", it seems you don't even know the bible or the fact that numerous times in the bible the gods deliberatly decieve and deniy humans free will.
@@jaclo3112 Maybe because I don't believe in your god. Bible is a story, old, edited, translated, but just a story. It holds little truth to me.
Hell yeah miracle musical intro. I fucking love TME so much i have listened to it 18485 times dream sweet in sea major best song ever
I almost feel sorry for Monkey For Banana. ALMOST.
I saw this shirt today that said
"They called Noah a conspiracy theorist... And then it rained!"
I very seldom use the word, cringy, but this...Well it was downright revolting.
That moronic idea implies everyone else on the planet actually got a heads up that God was planning on drowning everyone, and their pets, and they just rolled their eyes at... Noah? That can't be right, how could he possibly be the one telling everyone on earth about it? Must have been God? I guess,
"What's that? Yeah, yeah, everyone is vile, and wicked, sure. Oh, and you're gonna murder everyone with _ALL_ the water! as a punishment for the vile wickedness, are you?! Yeah, sounds likely. Oh, we better build ourselves boats so we can survive some great drowning, you really mean it? Wow. That's stupid, makes no sense, what you telling us about it for now, then, if you want to punish us by drowning? No need to get pissy, it's a valid question, you're not making sense, dude.... Eugh, OK I'll shut up, sure, you're gonna flood the entire planet and drown all the babies.... Hahaha! Sooooo scary and believable.. Pfft. Can you believe this God jackass, Bob? I can't wait to tell my ol' lady; she can stop nagging me about renting a birthing pool now, she won't need it. Come on Bob, let's leave this lunatic and his flood fantasies, and go grab ourselves a beer."
Omg. That's pathetic. I'd assume it was merch from the Ark Encounter?
Something the people in my family would wear. It's absolutely nauseating
I've just fallen in love with Erika's brain 🫠
SFT's standpoint is the one that makes him money.
Okay okay here's my pitch solution for the heat problem.
the world, the original Earth, got fucking exploded in nuclear fire during the flood, and God just picked up Noah and put him and his boat on a new Earth that was crafted by hand to look old so that the humans would never realize that God completely fucking blew up the Earth in a fit of rage.
To be fair I think that would fit as well as any other passage in Genesis, and it would solve the 'all the vegetation drowned in a massive flood' plot hole.
Genesis 8:6
At the end of forty days, God reached down from the clouds a la Monty Python's Flying Circus, picked up the ark and deposited the ark halfway up a mountain, for teh gigglez, on the new earth 2.0 that God had made for Noah, cos he was God's favorite.
Genesis 8:6:a
Noah sent a bird out from the ark (there were at least two bird kinds on the ark, shut up) and it returned with a twig, from one of the trees that existed and was alive, because this was the green earth 2.0... And there was plenty of vegetation on earth 2.0 for everyone in those days.
Genius.
You still haven't cleared "God's" name.
"Scientific Creationism"? Surely an oxymoron?
Absolutely and totally an oxymoron, with a strong emphasis on the last two syllables.
@@Kualinar Hey, now! It's insulting to m0r0ns to compare them to creationists!
@@AlbertaGeek Sorry, I didn't intent to insult them. My bad😢
It's a contradiction in terms.
Nicely done... as usual...
There is just one thing I would like to add.
Near the beginning you suggested that one reason YECs don't want to simply say "OK... it was a miracle" is their hope of somehow still getting creationism taught in classrooms...
I don't disagree... but I think that there's more to it than that.
I think we've all noticed how theists will insist one minute how "they have no problem believing in God because of their faith alone"...
And how they have no problem at all that all of the available scientific evidence fails to support their claim...
But then they proceed to trot out all sorts of "evidence", and "arguments", and claims that science DOES support their claim...
And, if you present evidence to them, they always attempt to "debunk it" rather than "just play the miracle card"...
I think that I have an idea why this always happens...
I think that MOST modern believers, at least here in the USA, don't want to think of themselves as "anti-science"...
They VERY MUCH want to thing of themselves as "rational human beings... and to believe that "their religious beliefs DON'T conflict with scientific reality"....
They are in fact NOT willing to simply accept that "science doesn't count this time because it was a miracle"...
They are willing to accept what I might call "point miracles"... like the resurrection... or the flood... but only as isolated events...
Things that happened "long ago and far away" in "a different time"...
But they are uncomfortable doing what seems to obviously be "using miracles as an obvious way to reconcile their beliefs with science".
(If God could just "miracle away" the heat problem... then why couldn't he just "miracle away" atheists... or "miracle away" all of the other obvious problems?)
(In a sense, rather than a valid seeming explanation, it's just plain TOO OBVIOUSLY an excuse.)
They've managed to compartmentalize "the world of the Bible" and "the world of modern science"...
And this sort of miracle would be asking them to break down that wall (in a very obvious and worrisome way).
Young earth creationism an American invention is one of the greatest recruiting tools for atheism.
they really do themselves no favours with this drivel, every time they try to shoe horn god into places he never fits they lose people - the smart people too, the god squad is populated by people who can't think.
Perhaps only surpassed as a recruiting tool by the Bible.
Sure? I am an atheist, but I know many Christians who just laught about creationists.
@@norbertjendruschj9121 Yes like every Christian in Europe. Creationism is American
@@tomfrombrunswick7571
Creationism is still mostly American, though it seems to be contagious.
I’m surprised they haven’t suggested Maxwell’s Demon as a solution
I don't understand YE types. They never ask the core question, why? Why would god take all these steps to make the earth appear to be old when it's only 6k years old according to them. Why? Why bother to play this game to evidently trick people into thinking the earth was way older than it truly is? It's just weird. Why not be an old earth creationist if you're going to believe in god?
In defense of YEC's, they often have thought about it and agree that god making an evidently old earth is deceptive and thus cannot be the case.
That's why a lot of them end up either looking for scientific ways to explain it, or leaning into some huge conspiracy amongst the scientific community to hide the evidence. If they were okay with it just being an intentional deception from god, they'd just shrug and say it was a miracle and move on.
I like the super-geysers that remove global floodwaters to also crater the moon, lol. Or mayyyyyyybe the Earth is just as old as it seems to be...
In addition to the debunk I love, love! The humor, all the way from “I‘m well aware this is not a talent, but it’s the only thing I can do” to "I don't know why I'm this way" to a physics shaped problem “burning a hole in the entire tapestry” and, perhaps best of all, playing the clips of the YECs all flailing together.
Heat problem is now my go to argument now as well.
The flood is bad enough, Joshua 10 claims the earth stopped rotating!
Even worked on my dyed in the wool yec mother 😮
@@dogwalker666the actual claim was the sun stopped, not the Earth because the Earth was already immovable.
@@theotherIII Yes that’s because it was written by poorly educated men,
However in reality the earth rotates to give the optical effect,
So for that to happen the earth would have to stop rotating causing complete destruction of the planet,
@@theotherIIIthe earth isn’t immovable, Flerf
Thanks, professor! The work you do is incredibly important in these dangerous times.
You're amazing.
Post-post-script: According to my daughter the heat problem is solved thusly: The gnomes did it! That's it: gnomes with a serious work ethic!
Not salamanders? Earth spirits seem under qualified.
The nature of fundamentalism is desperation.
My favourite flood model is that it all happened like the creationists claim but it was actually baja blast
damn, I'm a believer in that!
2:09 - take all the credit in the world!!! 👏😀 I first learned about the heat problem from your videos.
Listening to Creationists talk about their "theories" reminds me of two six year old boys earnestly trying to explain the mechanics of how Superman flies. There comes a point where someone has to step up and say "well I suppose all of this is potentially interesting as a thought experiment, but you do realize that Superman isn't real...right?
The six year old boys will then likely burst into tears and/or shout rude words at the Superman skeptic. What they probably won't do is threaten said super skeptic with an eternity of hellfire, which already makes them more mature and reasonable than your average creationist.
I appreciate and enjoy all of Erika's debunking, but i was caught by Aron Ra's argument, "what about the Chinese?"
The rest is gravy.
'Answers in Genesis' is an oxymoron. Questions in Genesis would be more accurate. Like how was there an 'evening and a morning' 3 times on Earth when the Sun, Moon and stars weren't 'created' until the 4th day? Why create photosynthesising plants the day before creating the Sun, Moon and stars? Only in the impossible cosmology of a scientifically illiterate bronze age does it seem to make any sense, which of course blows the 'omniscient' premise out of the water. Genesis chapter 1 debunks itself.
@@s1rmunchalot I agree with everything you say, but I don't see how it relates to my comment.
The beginning section of this video makes me think that the quote by Sigourney Weaver from Galaxy Quest would fit her so well right now.
"Look! I have one job on this lousy ship, it's stupid, but I'm gonna do it! Okay?"
Haven't watched yet, but based on the title, I just gotta say, That which is dead can never die.
Sooner or later these guys are going to have to just accept that if God created the Earth 6,000 years ago, he created it to look like a 4.5 billion year old world where evolution had produced all the present forms of life. Why would he do this? I don't know, maybe he was just a nerdy worldbuilder like a lot of human artists. There's no reason to think that an all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful, and all-perfect being _couldn't_ have done that with perfect internal consistency. Maybe that's just one of the things that humans inherited from God, the desire to make imagined worlds make sense. Either way, it's the only explanation of what God was doing that is consistent with the evidence we have, and it's functionally identical to the scientific idea of the natural formation of the Earth and the natural evolution of life. The only difference is whether we see ourselves as studying the natural history of our world, or studying the insanely detailed lore that God wrote about this planet he made for us. Either way, I think we should keep doing it. I bet God would be happy to see us paying so much attention to his creation.
I notice that when Lisle doesn't have an answer, he claims he never heard of the problem
At some point you think you'd just stop posting online and be a little Christian hermit away from all this knowledge if you heard someone calculate that even year long super mega ultra hyper canes that magically never touched the boat still can't fix your heat problem. Like, it's so embarrassing that I would disappear from the internet or just be an atheist the next day.
The best argument against the ark in my opion, and there are a lot of them, is that it doesn't explain the number and distribution of species around the world. In other words, penguins, polar bars, marsupials, ant species, etc especially Parasitlolgy.
But I don't think anyone today could build a wooden boat of that size (with a small workforce, limited time and no prototyping) and with no obvious means of propulsion, navigation, that could stay afloat for a year without going to a port for resupply.
An all-knowing god, would have a better solution for killing all the people on the planet apart from Noah and his family doncha think?
even if god had delivered it to him ikea style the work involved for a layman is just ridiculous,the man hours involved would be staggering,but did he also find a forest with suitable timber for boat building,fell hundreds if not thousands of suitable trees then somehow measure cut and shape all the wood with mm precision all this before the actual construction started,and with limited tools,he wouldnt even have had the luxury of a modern tape measure,of all the silly stories in the bible the flood is by far the most far fetched but somehow the one they double down on the most
It wouldn’t even float. It would be too big and heavy to support its own weight and the stress of being on water
"An all-knowing god, would have a better solution for killing all the people on the planet apart from Noah and his family doncha think?"
He magically poofed everything into existence, so he certainly has the power to poof us out of existence, too. The only reason I can see for using a flood instead is for his own amusement; he just wanted to see people and other animals suffer.
@@markwood1159 Which contradicts the whole "loving" thing.
An all-powerful, all-knowing god could make a world with free will that teaches life lessons WITHOUT giving cancer to children or any of the other horrible things that happen in the world.
If I were to choose a god to follow, it sure wouldn't be the cruel christian one.
This dog has short ears,So Wii wheel call it the short eared shepherd. This is how species are create Ted.
The spotted eagle and lesser spotted eagle is the same any mole,but hue men's separate them width words. At any time,the mid spotted eagle can bee create Ted. Noah did ant bring every species. Noah brought prehistoric wolves, foxes ,dogs, coyotes, and Jack coal descend from wolves. Ants was ant own the boat.
Most any moles own your plan knit are smaller than hue mans,So it does ant rie choir a lot of spaces. Second, a large pour Shawn of any moles Ken survive the whole trip width know food or one meal. Third, if it's four the survive of the any moles,You wood bring the young and small,So day Ken reach adult hood and leave pregnant.
The glass eating animals are the hardest two take care of compared two other any moles,but steel easy inn a survive ark.
Grass eaters can survive one two three mouths width out food.
Birds knead two eat the most, but it's easy two store enough food four them.
When I was fourteen, I mastered the art of making up a bunch of word salad to excuse any nonsensical thing I wanted to happen in the terrible stories I was writing. That's the vibe I get from every YEC argument I've ever heard.
Edit: Creationist flood model? Can do. Here's a good one I'm making up, as per request. It does stem from Creationist arguments I've heard. You see, as we all know, before the flood people could live for hundreds of years due to the free radicals being blocked out by the sun by a canopy of water held over the Earth to protect us from solar radiation. Well, to maintain it's shape and orbit, much of it must have been held in ice. Comets have been known to be so cold as to have frozen oxygen in them. So, when the fountains of the deep burst forth, and the waters came up from the heavens, it was partially due to the warming from accelorated nuclear decay. Well, ice coming down from the heavens was able to absorb the heat given off by the sudden excess of heat and radiation. Everything, even wood, deflects harmful radiation, and the chuns of ice melted into the water Noah saw during the flood, until the highest mointain on Earth was covered in fifteen cubits of water. Bringing that up from temperatures low enough to freeze oxygen was able to keep the crust of the Earth just cool enough to remain solid, and when the waters receded, they brought much of that heat down into the mantle, where scientists say the water still remains to this day!
My proposed flood model is a Tidal Wave Model, in which, rather than simply covering the entire earth in a layer of water deep enough to submerge all land, the ark simple surfed on the top of a giant tidal wave that traveled around the whole world. No one ever said the "world-wide flood" had to cover the whole world all at once! The wave also picked up the continents and dropped them in new spots, accounting for continent movement. Oh and then Noah wouldn't have to bring every type of animal because the rest of them could just keep running ahead of the wave until it slowed (from this we can deduce, of course, that the dinosaurs were not track stars), and the final waves from the collapse carried the marsupials to Australia. This model does as much to solve the heat problem as all current models
Was Noah playing Beach Boys songs while he was doing this...?
love it
Lol, you should do anane
So the ark was basically a big surf board?
It’s a pity all the other civilizations on the planet at the time didn’t notice this tidal wave.
Scientific Creationism: "My best friend is an invisible wizard who poofed the universe into existence by magic and then poofed the Earth into existence by magic and then poofed animals, plants and humans into existence by magic and then he flooded the whole entire Earth but that part was definitely 1000% NOT magic!!!" 😂😂😂
This could be a very important shift. Basically YEC has relied upon its ability to put forward a superficially plausible set of naturalistic mechanisms to explain what we see around us in the natural world today. I say 'plausible', with many caveats! But now that appearance of scientific rigor has been pretty convincingly taken away.
You see, the working term here is "superficially", it only takes a bit of firm critical application of logic and evidence to discover how truly, fractally incorrect most of this stuff is. Like, they'll just straight up speak untruths, unabashedly. They will contradict the evidence because they are confident most people will be satisfied with the superficial facsimile of plausibility! Let's keep fighting the good fight.
1:15 wtf is up with the U.S.A and YEC
Religion is slowly on the way out, and they know it….
If lying for jesus was considered a sin, there'd be no apologists.
Unless some of them are just grifters who do it for the paycheck and they actually know the whole religion thing is false...
It is, but only by some. There are so many permutations of christianity... There are even permutations within permutations... And each and every one claim to have the correct interpretation of the bible... It's a farse. And it's a load of old bollocks.
Plenty of christians kill and steal and sodomize choir boys. I don't think making 'lies for jesus' a sin would make much difference.
If there were a god, specifically theirs, lying for Jesus... would only be punished AFTER they died....so, sadly, they'd still exist
It is considered a sin. If a lie is a lie, then that is a sin. You are commanded to not bear false witness.
Im interested to see how much of the bible is true after learning that it got the time modern founding of jerusalem correct down to the day. Ever since then I haven't been able to completely discount the entire book.
18:03 "T U B E"
Of course the Noah flood was a retelling of the flood in the Epic of Gilgamesh, a Mesopotamian Epic derived from earlier oral story telling =. which is 2,500 years older than the Noah flood.
FFS even Pat Robertson thought young earth creationism was a load of bollocks.
I'm a Christian (but I admit I may be wrong, so I sometimes consider myself an agnostic), and I believe that if God exists, science is the mechanism by which He does everything. I don't think the forming of the universe or of Earth and the evolution thereof was ever meant to be a secret. It just was something we had to find out for ourselves. I will never understand why that isn't enough for ALL Christians.
Jesus fulfilled prophesies the were foretold by prophets of God. he died and spent 3 days in the heart of the earth. science is created by God. he sprinkled his blood onto the mercy seat after being resurrected by the father. science wasn’t the issue while adam and eve were hiding from God in the garden of eden.
@@drinkwater5762God gave you a brain so you could explore nature. If you think God planted false evidence in nature to test your literal translation of a holy book, you arrogantly assume God wants to be delusional and doubt your senses and mind that God gave you. That's pretty disgusting.
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime what?!?!? you arrogantly made all kinds of false suppositions about what i think. you are so wrong to think i said god made false evidence. don’t know where you got any of this.
@@drinkwater5762 Strange that you say I made false claims but you didn't clear up the confusion. Do you disagree that God gave you a brain and nature? Do you think the planet is around 6000 years old because of a holy book? Do you think evidence in nature that shows Earth is much older is a test of faith? Let's hear what you really do think and avoid the guessing. Or is that not part of the game?
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime whatever dude my original comment was deleted and you coming in hot, accusational and hostile. demanding stuff from people and making assumptions getting you ahead in life?
These creationists should be discuuing more important issues such how many angels can dance on the head of a needle.
How glad I am, that here in Europe the creationist bullshit is completely insignificant 😂 at least we can laugh at someone else's stupidity 🙈 anyway, thanks for the amusing video 👍
It is actually kinda funny listening to the YECs try to force reality to conform to their favorite folklore. Although, it also reminds me of the "it goes is the square hole" video...
My favourite crazy flood model is the one where there isn't a global flood.
Crazy flood model: I was raised Mormon, and the Mormon model isn't super-duper specific, but it starts with the pre-flood *moving* of the Earth from orbiting in some other solar system around/with the planet Kolob, which happened when Adam and Eve ate the apple. Then it posits that Eden was in the eastern United States, except that probably-Pangea existed at the time, so wherever the equivalent of Illinois was at the time, and you get the standard racecar continents during the flood before the Ark lands in the middle east, after which Noah and his family named all the local features after the various rivers and mountains back in the old (new) world, so it *seems* like the ark didn't go far. I don't think it's the most bonkers theory out there, but it's so, so SO specifically American that it's kinda delightful, and the Kolob thing is amazingly weird. :D
Should def take a spot on the trippiest Christian cosmologies list for sure.
Joseph Smith took a look at the ridiculousness of the bible and how many people used it to lie to and manipulate others, and said "Hold my chocolate milk."
I was raised Mormon and hadn't learned this! Do you have any resources I could read to find out more about the earth's movement away from Kolob as it relates to the flood?
Also, I could have sworn the garden of Eden was in Adam-Ondi-Ahman, Jackson county, Missouri, not Illinois right?
@@Froggo9000 My source is "my ancient brain" and "growing up Mormon in the 80s." I gather these days a lot of things I was taught aren't taught anymore. Though I'm sure you're correct about Missouri and not Illinois, that's just said ancient brain mixing up my holy sites.
got a pure flix ad before this video, so I'm commenting for the sake of your algorithm to offset that baloney
What are you watching bro?
@dannil9878 this, music, political video essays
23:03 The bar is set very low here to say that's it's an important character trait to have because I think changing one's mind in the face of evidence is the bare minimum for a person capable of critical thinking.
if you're going to make god's actions scientific, er, what's the point of god? isn't the whole "thing" about god being special is that he defies nature? he does miracles? how dumb does a creationist have to be to want to explain away how _amazing_ god is? they really do not use their heads these folks.
"how dumb does a creationist have to be" is an almost philosophical question.
Dear Ms Erika G Gibbon:
It has come to my attention that you have a private life. _This has got to stop!_ I have watched everything that you have put out, including this video. What do you expect me to do - RE-WATCH your catalog from the start?
You see my dilemma.
So, my good woman, cut out _extraneous_ activities (PhD work, teaching your lab class, traveling, a husband, {you may keep the doggies}) and get busy creating new product for -me- us to watch.
Chop! Chop!
-Halfway- -60%- 75% serious, MossyMozart.
(Un)happy to report that I am related to a high-ranking government official who believes wholly in YEC
MURICA!!!
So sorry to hear that. For you and for all of us.
Welp, I sure hope your surname is "Johnson" and we don't have more than 1 high-ranking YEC in Congress.
@@velvetmagnetta3074 It is not nor is theirs 😭
@@creacher00 - Oh no no noooo! 😱
Crap. We've got a bigger problem than I thought. I will now 😭 with you
A treat after work! Thank you for making my day
As far as I'm concerned the only response a YEC can make that can be considered even close to intellectually honest is that it was all miracles and science doesn't apply. I completely disagree with it, but at least it's not trying to twist science into pretzels to support the idiocy.
Not to fan the flames too much, but where the hell did all that flood water come from? AND where did it go? Our planet is not a giant sponge, but I fear that YECers are…
erica just so you know, whenever i encounter shenanigans in the wild i always direct them towards the heat problem, especially towards you 🤣🤣
"Erika".
It's not just the heat which is a big problem. Accelerated Nuclear Decay also would release a tremendous amount of radiation into the environment. Alpha and beta decay would poison the water and any food sources. The gamma radiation by itself would be enough to kill everything on the Ark 1000X over.
I posted this over at SFT and got ignored by all the YECs except for chowderhead Sam who did the usual "NUH-UH" drive by. 😄
Flora and fauna getting radiation poisoning is kind of moot when the oceans are vaporized and the entire planetary crust is lava.
@@AlbertaGeek Creos claim the animals on the Ark survived after Ararat by eating the vegetation and carcasses of the dead animals from the Flood. Those things would have been highly poisonous due to the radiation. Reason no.45,493 why the Noah's Ark story is bullcrap.
Hi Goody. I’m fairly certain I am not a yec, but I’ll give it a (usual) attempt at an answer: go to section 4 of Einstein’s 1905 paper on (special) relativity. Use the equations there to calculate the speed an ‘observer’ would need in order to experience 7 days while 4 billion years passed on Earth, starting say, at the Earth’s formation. Now imagine the observer wrote a chapter in a book about it. The observer would write that a week had passed during the formation of the Earth, while in the Earth’s reference frame, 4 billion years would have passed. [Now, what shall we call that chapter in that book??]
@@SystemsMedicineWhy would you use that paper? Calculating time dilation is mush easier using an undergraduate level physics textbook. Now go look up a good book on general relativity and figure out the problem with your hypothetical scenario.
@@adamredwine774 Hi Adam. I’ve read a number of textbooks on GR, as well as some mathematical GR books not intended as textbooks, and a variety of relativity journal papers. I also had a course in tensor analysis, and have done some special and general relativity work professionally. Given this, I do not see the issue you wish me to discover by reading a textbook. Do you have something specific in mind?? [ps I prefer journal papers to textbooks, but any specific citation(s) would be helpful.]
A question rarely mentioned is the method and rate of water accumulation required in 40 days and nights to cover the highest mountain on Earth, and the method that allowed it to dissipate in 325 1/4 days?
Now I really want to know how much heat it would take coming off the Earth to melt the moon, which may or may not be made of cheese, while I would prefer a non-cheese answer. I also wish I was competent at math so I could try to even wrap my head around the question, but I'm a liberal arts dummy. So if anyone knows what it would take radiating through space to melt the moon, just leave it here, that would be great.
I also don't expect that because it seems like an utter ton of work, but damn I'm curious if in the discussion debunking creationism melting the moon could be mentioned. Dream a little dream.
The hoops they jump through to make the earth 6000 years old. If god made the earth 6000 years ago why did he make the earth in such a way that it looks 4 billion years old? If the earth actually looked 6000 years old we would all be believers.
The answer for this is actually in the Bible, right in Genesis. Why would God make the Earth 6000 years old, but look billions of years old? For the same reason he put Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden with a tree he didn't want them to eat from, without giving them the ability to distinguish right from wrong, then told them they would die if they ate from it. God is a liar, who likes to cause problems and mess with people, then tell them its their fault that they "strayed". 😂
It’s like the last episode of Checkmate Lincolnites - “how many ways can we say that the civil war was about slavery?” You can refute these arguments a million times but sadly there’s still people believing them
Queue Donny still using AND in 2040
Ah, that explains the flood, we needed the extra water to cool the accelerated decay. 😂😂😂
To be honest, young Earth creationism is borderline unbiblical and is the worst type of creationism because it's totally possible for the universe to be created by an all powerful God, and even the Bible doesn't tell use when the earth was made but when it gained "form" and stop being empty, but Genesis is way too vague when it comes to the creation of the world to say that God made the Earth recently, when it does show in Genesis that hot Steam turn into water and covered the entire ground, Genesis 2:6 "But Stream came up from the earth and watered the whole ground"
They sound like a student who didn't study for a final trying to bullshit their way into a passing grade, grasping at ANYTHING that makes any semblance of sense to them.