The Miners Paradox

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  • Опубліковано 10 чер 2023
  • Niko Kolodny and John MacFarlane's paradox, distinguishing objective and subjective oughts. @PhiloofAlexandria

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  • @Jaggerbush
    @Jaggerbush 8 місяців тому +1

    I have no idea how I found this channel but I'm glad I did!

  • @akosimj9544
    @akosimj9544 11 місяців тому +2

    It's like the "trolley problem"

  • @philosophyversuslogic
    @philosophyversuslogic 11 місяців тому +1

    You are so charming and wonderful lecturer! Your lectures and videos are very inspiring! Do thank you!

  • @Grizabeebles
    @Grizabeebles 11 місяців тому +2

    Does it scare anyone else that this is the kind of problem that self-driving cars will have hard-coded answers to?

  • @igorious7508
    @igorious7508 11 місяців тому +1

    Hello Dr. Bonevac
    Would it be possible if you could do a video on the Italian philosopher Julius Evola? I want to explore his concept of “magical idealism” but it just seems very inaccessible for me to approach by myself.

  • @yoveeditors5502
    @yoveeditors5502 10 місяців тому

    Im glad im here again i haven't been getting any notifications 😢

  • @peterrosqvist2480
    @peterrosqvist2480 11 місяців тому

    Hi Daniel, do you think the companions in guilt argument is a good argument for moral realism?

  • @bimsherwood7006
    @bimsherwood7006 11 місяців тому +4

    If you *know* that they're in shaft A, then you should block shaft A. If you know they are in shaft B, you should block shaft B. If you know they are in shaft A or you know that they are in shaft B, then you should block A or you should block B. But its not true that "we know that they are in shaft A or we know that they are in shaft B". Instead, we know that [they are in shaft A or they are in shaft B]. The knowing predicate does not distribute over the "or".

    • @Bi0Dr01d
      @Bi0Dr01d 11 місяців тому +1

      I think he already agrees with this. We have to see what he's saying as a whole, looking at the video as a whole.

    • @bimsherwood7006
      @bimsherwood7006 11 місяців тому

      @@Bi0Dr01d yeah, I just thought I'd type out my thought on the problem after hearing the paradox. If my takeaway is wrong, let me know.

    • @Bi0Dr01d
      @Bi0Dr01d 11 місяців тому +1

      @@bimsherwood7006 I just watched it to get a general feel, but I don't really want to go through the content again just to flush out the specifics of where the point would be accurate or not, so hope that my silence would not be interpreted as an acceptance or rejection, it's only silence.

    • @peterrosqvist2480
      @peterrosqvist2480 11 місяців тому

      Why can’t the predicate distribute over the “or”? Could you give a counter example?

    • @bimsherwood7006
      @bimsherwood7006 11 місяців тому +1

      @@peterrosqvist2480 when I flip a coin, I know that either the result will be heads or tails. But it is NOT true that I either know that it will be heads, or I know that it will be tails. I don't know until I flip.

  • @marcosnobuhara1126
    @marcosnobuhara1126 11 місяців тому +1

    very good video about deontic logic!

  • @oldager1662
    @oldager1662 11 місяців тому

    Blocking one of them will kill half of them (by the chances). Doing nothing will (probably, he omits) kill one, and you have not directly caused even that.
    Do nothing.
    This is a small moral dilemma (tri-lemma?) but no paradox.

  • @irodionzaytsev
    @irodionzaytsev 8 місяців тому

    Come on, this is simple probability, you maximize the expectation of saved miners. If you block or the other, given that you have no apriori knowledge of where the miners are, the expected number of miners saved is (1/2)*10 = 5. If you do nothing, you save 9. That's the right thing to do.

    • @PhiloofAlexandria
      @PhiloofAlexandria  8 місяців тому

      Well, yes, but the point of the paradox is that there are simple arguments that contradict that correct conclusion. So, the puzzle is, what goes wrong with those arguments?

    • @irodionzaytsev
      @irodionzaytsev 8 місяців тому

      ​@@PhiloofAlexandria well I don't see it as a paradox. It's a good example to illustrate the point of how new knowledge should change our thinking (very much in the spirit of Bayesian interpretation of probability), but I don't see any paradox. In terms of logic the video says:
      (A or B) implies (block A or block B) because A implies block A, and B implies block B. That is of course true according to any common logical inference axioms (which was mentioned in the video).
      However, I think the next argument, that "We don't know where they are" implies "don't block A" is flawed. Indeed, "we don't know where they are" in this context is synonymous with "A or B". And it is certainly not true that "A or B" implies "not block A" (and "not block B"), when we are only given that "A implies block A" and "B implies block B".
      I guess this is not the main point of the lecture, but it was definitely interesting to analyze, so thank you for the video and for replying!

  • @NON_biodegradable
    @NON_biodegradable 10 місяців тому +3

    Who is here from cemre

  • @vukdasic1285
    @vukdasic1285 11 місяців тому

    Are you croatian?

    • @PhiloofAlexandria
      @PhiloofAlexandria  11 місяців тому +1

      Good question-my grandfather called himself Serbian. I think, given the original pronunciation of my last name, that I'm partly en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunjevci.

    • @PhiloofAlexandria
      @PhiloofAlexandria  11 місяців тому +1

      I am amused at a possible etymology: "Bunjevac could have originated from the verb bunjati (talking nonsense)"!

    • @PhiloofAlexandria
      @PhiloofAlexandria  11 місяців тому +1

      But it means "bugger, rebel, troublemaker" in Serbo-Croatian.