Comparing Constant Force Mechanism with Ferdinand Berthoud and Arnold & Son
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2020
- In today’s video we compare two different approaches illustrating the constant force mechanism and we not only do so with our good friend Peter Speake but with two great timepieces coming from Ferdinand Berthoud and the second one from Arnold & Son. Peter comes back on what is constant force and details with us how it has been expressed differently on these two timepieces.
If you want to see the deconstruction of both these timepieces made by Peter, here are the links:
www.thenakedwatchmaker.com/de...
www.thenakedwatchmaker.com/de...
Enjoy and Viva Watchmaking!!
Marc André & Team
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It was a great pleasure to meet up with Marc André and go through these two great watches. I have to admit, I was quite nervous and have noticed that I made a few mistakes, as there is no time for a "Take Two", we have agreed that Mark just publishes... here is a list of the points I wanted to correct. Many thanks and I will do my best get over the nerves... maybe a quick dram will settle the nerves for next time. Peter.
3:15 I say pendulum when I am referring to a weight.
6:48 The barrel transmit power through the train.
7:00 The balance oscillates not the tourbillon.
9:05 Bridges which covered each wheel. (Not each bridge)
10:53 Barrel and fusee (not tourbillion)
11:25 The fusee chain normally never falls off, there always remains tension but the stop-work mechanism ensures the chain can only be wound to a certain point, protecting it and using the central part of the mainspring that is the most uniform.
15:49 The lower bridges are made from maillechort/German silver the upper are steel, in earlier examples, they were mostly maillechot.
You certainly didn't seem nervous in the video. Thanks for such an informative overview of the two constant force mechanisms. I have already downloaded a deconstruction manual (GS hi-beat GMT) from your website!
Always enjoy your contributions Peter,could listen all day. Don't worry about the nerves,it's only watch nerds like us watching! All the best.
Class act!
Can the Arnold & Son be called a deadbeat movement? It ticks the individual seconds.
It's an honour to listen to Mr Speake talk about watch making. Plus he is such a nice guy. Please persuade him to do more collabs with you.
Don't worry, will be done ;)
The in depth watch technology education that Mr. Speake-Marin provides is much more satisfying than anything else offered about watches on You Tube. This kind of detailed analysis, comparison and historical perspective allows the viewer to become a better informed and more literate appreciator of horology. Mr. Speake-Marin is an extraordinarily effective communicator who can provide technical information without boring the audience. Great content.
Happy you enjoyed this and will be done again 👍👍👍
I love how this channel is always very educational in a very welcoming and non posh manner. I like these real stories. Whether it's a factory visit, explanation of different mechanisms or finishing techniques etc.. I like how the entire industry is covered instead of just new watches. To me this channel is pure passion for watchmaking. Unmatched by any other channel. Your channel helped me in making decisions for my own collection. I'm now in the progress of saving up for my first high end watch from an independent watchmaker. Almost there! Can't wait to put in my order :)
That's fantastic and makes us immensely happy. All the very best to you and thanks so much for the comment
Simply a phenomenal presentation of two exquisite timepieces.
Thanks for the much appreciated comment 🙏
In his website, brilliant Peter also features his deconstruction of the magnificent Arnold & Son Nebula, one of the most remarkable watches ever made. Thank you, Peter, for your wonderful analytic work!
" It's much easier to explain with a drawing or movable model than verbally," CAD/CAM is the new salesman samples.
20 minutes with Peter and I feel like I completed a semester horology. Add your marvelous videography and the fact that I'm a big fan of Ferdinand Berthoud. Arnold & Son is also a great, vastly underrated brand. What an awesome video, congrats.
P.S. I'd love to hear the FB movement in action.
Wow, thank you!
The Naked Watchmaker is beautiful persona with his calm voice.I've enjoed watching this episode so mutch.Thank you very mutch making this video..........
My interest in timepieces comes almost completely from a place of mechanical fascination and interest in the history behind design. Thank you for making videos that present the subject matter in a casual yet in-depth manner. The handiwork behind these pieces is nearly unbelievable.
So happy aout this comment, thanks so much, highly appreciated 🙏🙏
The mechanism is the most beautiful in the watches. Greatness.
And you have two pretty nice ones here ;)
Great video. Maybe an idea for a companion video, comparing the different ways of implementering a tourbillon. The traditional tourbillon, the flying tourbillon, etc...
Noted 👍👍👍
Really enjoyed this, thank you. I could listen to Peter and you talk about watches all day!
Wow, thank you!
This is Passion.......I m fascinated and thankful for this amazing Master class.............
Was awaiting for ur new video Marc....... another indepth video.... OMG both timepieces finishing is impeccable! Gosh every parts is so well finished to those of the holy trinity level. Simply beautiful.
Wow, thank you!
Actually the FB is finished to a higher level.
Fantastic video. I hope we’ll get to see more of this, and of Peter. Great work!
More to come!
Extraordinarily Fascinating!
The explanations I thought were very very clear without drawings and I dont have much expertise.
Thank you !
This was a treat!
I enjoyed the discourse. This was most enjoyable and insightful. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for watching!!
Very nice video Mr. Naked Watchmaker! Will be following you
As always very interresting and a special note for the excellent and very kind Peter Speake-Marin!
Thank you Marc & Peter !!
The history of engineering and
those beautiful time pieces shown...
just amazing.
Our pleasure!
Always great to hear from Peter.
Fantastic “interview”. Loved this episode. Peter is an amazing speaker.
Thanks!!
I have been the follower of the Naked Watchmakers since the beginning and learned a lot. Thank you for such an educational video, which is so enjoyable and valuable.
You are very welcome, thanks for the comment
One of the best videos on the channel! Thank you for making this!
You're very welcome!
What a great show. Thank you.
Peter, very impressive, sophisticated explanation, a joy to listen to! Please more!
Count on us!
I know its been a strange year 2020, but thank to you and your guests it has help me and I hope meany people. Thank you for your amazing videos.
Great video - wonderful to have a master watchmaker explain all this.
Thank you kindly!
Brilliant, thank you very much
You're very welcome!
I have watched a fair number of your videos, however I have enjoyed this video by far the most. Not only some terrific teaching provided on these two types of constant force mechanisms, but the conversation between two true watch lovers adds to create a most wonderful learning experience. Bravo and thank you!
Thank you so much for this comment, makes us extremely happy and we indeed love making these types of videos. And thanks so much for supporting us on Patreon 🙏🙏🙏
very interesting exposé. Thank your for the quality of this program.
Many thanks for your kind comment 🙏🙏
Wonderful video! Thank you both!
Thank you too!
What a wonderful, friendly interview full of information. Thank you, André.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Enjoyed very much, you should have more of these sessions.
And we love making them 👍👍
Always the most insightful and the top content from TheWatches.tv
Thanks so much for this kind comment 🙏🙏🙏
Loved this format!
Good, more to come 👍👍👍
Wow! This was incredible
Very happy you liked it!
What a fantastic interview. I feel like I found youtube's secret door to watchmaking Narnia.
Oh nice and welcome aboard 👍👍👍
Quite educational. Thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks
Superfluously vague and verbose, thanks for the video.
Excellent video, very educational.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for the comment 👍👍👍
Oh man I love the stuff you should do more assembly and disassembly videos really really cool
Peter is like a Medical Doctor who giving a lecture.
Wise!! Thanks
You're welcome!
Sensational very beautiful congratulations
Thank you very much!
Ouah la grande classe Ferdinand Berthoud! la Rolls-Royce des horlogers! Bravo c'est superbe.
Merci et c'est en effet assez exceptionnel!!!!!!
Very cool, thanks!
Very welcome
Love the polar opposite approach to improve the same timekeeping problems.
What a great video. It is good to hear somebody attributing Arnold with one of his ideas that Breguet seems to have claimed. Now it’s time to set the record right with the tourbillon. Invented by Arnold, but he couldn’t get it to work properly. He died and Breguet made it work.
Thanks and we will soon do more on British watchmaking ;) All the very best
Making something complicated simple, could be the Watches TV Motto, I absolutely love the video, please keep doing these episodes. Cheers, Marc. PS: next episode you can use some braids you're almost there :) just kidding, stay safe.
Hahahaha, I know, time is getting there for some action 😂😉
Quality programme.
Thanks a lot, happy you enjoyed this
Fantastic
This is a very beautiful video
Many many thanks!
Wise explanation 👏
Ferdinand Berthoud watches are my type of watch. Nothing else sings to me as much as their watches do.
They are indeed beautiful and the level of execution is phenomenal
Ferdinand Berthoud has a soul
Cool watches, great vid thank you
Thanks for watching and for the comment!
That FB is absolute gorgeous ❤️
i have to say the arnold's tourbillon is one of the most crisp tourbillon's i've seen
excellent video
Thank you very much!
Whoever the 1 dislike is, time is not your friend I see lol
Speake-Marin makes beautiful watches, no coincidence he knows what he's talking about
Just for clarification, Peter Speake is no longer associated with Speake-Marin watches, he left 3 years ago. But we appreciate the compliment.
The naked watchmaker is the shit. Documenting horology history to be learned for decades to come. Mostly free at his site.
haha, nicely said 😉
Beautiful watches. Why not versions of these without the finishes to bring down the costs so more people can afford and therefore enjoy owning one?
The diplomacy that oozes out of this guy...Oh my Gawd. He could ease USA-China or Saudi-Iran tensions in a heartbeat 😛
Quick question : How does remontoire compare to these to mechanisms? eg in some FP Journe or Grönefeld watches
LOL
@@thenakedwatchmaker Comments about the remontoire plz 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Anyone notice that the A&S is struggling with its true beat seconds at times? Id love to understand the underlying cause of this, It can clearly be shown at 6:54
Good eye. No idea what the deal is but definitely seems odd.
Yes! I came to the comments just to discuss this. It honestly is a bit embarrassing!
very confused. are escapements isochronic or not? if they are then it shouldn't matter how much force is being released by the mainspring, no? why all the fuss?
:)
Also I don't know if you know this but there is a guy on UA-cam calling his channel "the nekkid watchmaker" I don't know if there is a connection there but you should know either way I thought.....cheers
Why don’t you ever review jaeger lecoultre?
MY WATCHES...
Well done for not falling asleep 😴 or did you?
A&S second hand doesn't move correctly all the time === no real constant force
Berthoud is amazing
thanks
;)
Simply great content.
Glad you think so!