BUYERS GUIDE PORSCHE CAYMAN 987 S (a simple guide)be sure to watch this before buying your first 987
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- A very quick SIMPLE BUYERS GUIDE for the Porsche Cayman S 987. I found it really hard to find a simple guide when looking to buy my Porsche. So many were very in depth and to be honest I forgot most of it when I went to buy the car. I got lucky but you may not be. Using this simple guide you will hopefully be able to avoid any scary bills from your Cayman 987 S.
This video will also apply to the Porsche Boxster as the car shares many of its components with this. I am by no means an expert and the views shared in this video are my own and just a few things that I have learnt during Porsche ownership.
If you own a Porsche and have some tips on what to look for then please share in the comments below. This will most likely help a prospective owner as a lot of the viewers on my channel are in the market for their very own Porsche Cayman.
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Contents of this video
0:00 Intro
1:00 Point 1
1:46 Point 2
1:57 Point 3
2:34 Point 4
3:09 Point 5
3:35 Point 6
3:52 Point 7
4:43 Point 8
5:55 Point 9
6:17 Point 10
6:45 Point 11
7:17 Point 12
8:22 Other Video Links
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Great post! Beautiful car on a beautiful morning!
I’m still educating myself for my first Porsche, have wanted one for many years. Your experience and advice is greatly appreciated.
Thanks🙂
Thank you! One of my oldest videos. Glad to see it still does the rounds! Time for a 2.0 version to be made I think. Less awkward me 🤣🤣
Thanks very much! I am thinking of buying one next summer and your video's really help me what to look for in pursuit of one.
Glad the videos have helped :) good luck with the hunt!
Excellent video. Thanks Joe.
Thank you:) hope it helps:) one of my first on UA-cam and still popular. Think I’ve improved as time has gone on! Thanks for the comment
@@JoeTalksCars I really did. :)
I had a full engine rebuild with wet liners and IMS bearing replacement 600 miles ago, all done by Hartech. My rebuilt engine still smokes occasionally on start up but stops almost immediately. I think it is more to do with the flat six arrangement of the engine. Oil is able to seep slowly past the rings. But I now have total confidence in the engine
Interesting how it still smokes, you are right tho they always will or at least they are meant to. Mines still never coughed any blue since the rebuild. Glad to hear yours is going well still! Thanks for the comment :)
Informative video. Thanks for putting this together. I’ve not long purchased an 06 Cayman S and whilst generally solid, an official Porsche Centre major service awaits, plus gearbox oil change and spark plug changes. I also think an RMS issue could be apparent from a very small amount of oil leaking. Keep up the good work. Really useful to learn from people’s experience!
Thank you so much! I was quite bad before I bought mine, did very little research so thought Id share what I have learnt. Nice! Enjoy your Cayman! I know you will tho, literally the best car purchase I have made. Joe
@@JoeTalksCars Thanks Joe. We all learn from experience and fortunately I’d owned enough older cars in the past that helped. That said, valuable insights from your channel. Keep up the content. All the best.
Thank you 🚘😊👍
If you're worried about leaf accumulation you might want to invest in some stainless steel grilles from ZunSport. My low mileage (29k) Gen 2 I recently purchased came with them fitted. They do the job and look good as well. Interesting what you said about tyres. I did an inspection at purchase stage and there was 4 -5 mm of tread all round but when I went to have the tracking checked post purchase, all of the tyres had cracking within the grooves so a new full set was required. Good idea when checking a car, identify the manufacture date on the tyres. Mine turned out to be 2012 on the front and 2015 on the rear!
Very good point! I have had cars In the past where tyres had cracked due to being old. I suppose it will be common on these due to low miles. Ooh I will look into those grills, heard good things about them. Expensive tho.
Cheaper than new Aircon rads though! I actually made some from black bee keeping mesh, held on with cable ties. Didn't look too bad
@@richfixescars 100% I think I need to buy some!
That’s why I think it’s best to buy a high mileage Porsche ( one with a service history ) as most of the problems are sorted. Mine has 90,000 miles on my mates has 122.000 and drives superb.
Yeah you have to think if it’s lasted that long it’s probably fine 🤣 I want to get mine to the moon and back but only time will tell.
Watching this as im considering going from a mint 957 to a 981..... But interesting point about what you were saying about low mileage, last year my son bought a mint very low milage mk2 focus st, used loads of oil and a bit of water at first and i thought it was toast..... Didn't smoke or steam though but within 2 months of daily use it stopped using any fluids.....
Thanks, Joe.
Leaves clogging radiators are easily vacuum removed with a crevice tool -best done when the leaves are dry.
May I suggest an initial puff of blue smoke on startup, clearing QUICKLY, is normal for the flat 6.
One might also mention being aware of a long travel to clutch bite, and slipping in high gear (manual only?) from standing, is a quick test of clutch wear? Leaking front coolant pipes not uncommon...I’d better stop there..,!
Yeah the smoke is something to live with. Mine normally waits until people are watching then looks like it’s blown up! Didn’t even think about the clutch but yeah when I test drove a manual it was long travel.
Coolant pipes can be evil or so I’ve heard. Thought mine were pouring out but it’s just getting warmer and the air con is on 🤣 cheers for the comment as always!
Good video, lovely car
Thank you!!
In terms of things that a buyer can actually look at / inspect themselves, probably the number one thing would be the coolant crossover pipes, visible in the front arches. If they haven't already been replaced, they'll be corroded, knackered and leaking on any 987 (and 997). Things like the aircon condensers are worth a look, but they won't cause knock-on damage. A leaking engine cooling system, on the other hand...
Very valid point!! This was actually on my notes to have as thing to check for but forgot to mention it! Mine have all been done as like you said they are probably leaking if they haven’t been changed. The list goes on with buyers guides. I’d still say service history is the thing to look for above all else, especially if it’s done at Porsche Center. Each service mine had done came with a huge check list that would in turn spot coolant pipes ect that are going to hurt further down the line. But coolant pipes is massively important on a pre purchase inspection. Cheers for you comments! Love getting feedback from other like minded people. Helps create better content in the long run 👍
@@JoeTalksCars Service history applies to any car, so it's not really helping someone looking for a 987 specifically. I personally wouldn't value OPC history over a good independent outfit. The best independents are probably better than your average OPC, which conducts servicing in a rather checkbox corporate fashion. Good luck with the videos!
@@flat6croc thanks:)
More content please 👍
There is lots more. This was years ago now. Doesn’t feel like it tho. Mote cayman content is planned :)
Nice car man
Thank you! One of my first cringe videos🤣 nice to see it get the views and comments:) cheers 🥂
As a Porsche owner now, please pronounce this car correctly as a Porsch-ah, not just Porsche thank you Joe I enjoyed this video.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video.
Wish I had your accent. Working towards buying a 987 though. Have a good one.
😂 I didn’t think I had much of one. Good luck with the search!! Love my Cayman to bits! Best car I’ve ever had and the best car buying decision I’ve made. Currently roadtripping it across Scotland :) it’s amazing ua-cam.com/video/sa_MoW84ESw/v-deo.html
hey, i'm 192cm / 6'3 feet tall. anybody has any advice on how well will i fit in 987? for comparison, i drove bmw Z4 (E85) previously and it felt a bit crammed.
I’m 6ft and there is loads of room. Hopefully somebody on here will be more helpful tho.👍
The CEO of Porsche is a tall ass German dude and his directive was/is that he want's to be able to sit everywhere like a decent human being, which is why the Panamera looks like a toad - because he does not want to bump his head in the rear seats... you will find that unless you are ridiculously tall, you can drive any Porsche. I am 6'1 and have plenty headroom in a 981 Boxster, even though I am sitting really high because I want to have a good look over the front end of the car...
I’m 6ft 7 and 18st athletic build. I fit fine
@@DavidSmith-xn8lg thx bro, but a bit late to the party, got married in these 3 years so no more cool cars for me. driving a range rover now
Hi Joe, what is the fuel consumption like driving steady. I drive to work everyday and drive 66 miles a day. How much does it cost to fill and what sort of mileage do you get from a tank. Thanks Phil
With this being the Tiptronic I do think it’s worse. But I find it sits at 23mpg. Standard driving, reviving it out, sitting in traffic ect. I went up to Scotland in the first week of ownership. Achieved 32mpg without trying but it was terrible rain so couldn’t go quick. It’s around 300 ish to a tank so the tank isn’t huge, you don’t feel like you are always filling it up. Hope that helps😊
@@JoeTalksCars thanks Joe that's does help, what size tank is it?
@@phillipspark7255 it’s 65 litres 👍
I could manage average 27mpg from a 2.9 manual. Shell V Power also 98 octane only.
@@richfixescars that’s not bad. Mine did so well up to Scotland but it was very very steady. High 20s is good in one of these cars. Smiles per mile is off The scale!
Hey man i dont think you will answer but here i am anyway, im interest in a 987.1 3.4 S with 171.000 kilometers, i know its a lot of kilometers but also indicates that it already past for all the common problems and still going really well, should i pull the trigger on it? thanks!
Hi! Thanks for the comment! Glad to hear you are looking at a Cayman. High miles doesn’t always spell bad luck, if it’s had a good service history and the main expensive items are done then you may be on to a winner. Thins that spring to mind with those miles, air con radiators, coolant crossover pipes, most suspension components (especially rubber parts) main thing is get someone with you to check it out. Scope the bores! Good luck! Keep me posted 😊
Past common problems but getting close to needing cylinder linings and pistons replaced because of the bore score... That cost 6.000 to 25.000 £$€.
This was filmed right before the market exploded and prices went up 40% lol
I know! It’s mad isn’t it, really didn’t expect that. Having said that I’m now needing to rebuild the bloody thing so glad they have increased otherwise it would have been scrap.
987 went up 40%?
I love my cayman s , but it has cost alot of money trust me to maintain
They certainly do! Thanks for the comment! Glad to see my older videos are still doing the rounds :)
I have made a video on 5 things I love and 5 things I hate so click here to see that. ua-cam.com/video/r4gznpP4CUM/v-deo.html
Doesn’t your car have bore scoring now?
Did, got it fixed, covered the whole discovery. Gutted and when I watch this old video it makes me wince 🤣 little did I know 🤣
Bore scoring is not in 'very small numbers'. It's widespread. If you took a random sample of cars, you'd find at least a third have some evidence of scoring. Fortunately, it's not a binary failure mode and a bit of scoring doesn't mean imminent failure. But to say it's only very small numbers isn't remotely accurate. A significant number of cars have already been rebuilt or been scrapped, probably in the region of at least 10 percent. This doesn't make a gen 1 3.4 unbuyable, but it's essential to get the bores scoped pre purchase by an experienced outfit. It will cost about £200, but needs to be done if you want to know what you are buying into. Re the noise of a scored engine, it's more like a light tapping and it will be from the passenger side of the engine on a RHD car.
Mine thankfully was checked and free of scoring. It’s hard to know how many are affected as people don’t flood to the forums to say they haven’t had any symptoms.
@@JoeTalksCars It's difficult to get a really precise handle on the numbers. But the problem is inherent to the engine - combination of manufacturing issues with the Lokasil bore material, plastic piston coatings and then insufficient cooling to bank two. That people don't report engines that haven't failed isn't relevant. Talk to people who actually deal with these cars / engines regularly and it quickly becomes clear a large number have failed. Many had new blocks under warranty with Porsche, lots of cars have had cheap steel-liner fixes, others higher quality rebuilds of various types. All of the 3.4-3.8 M97 engines are very prone to scoring. It is not a rare event. Like I said, I'm not arguing that makes them unbuyable, but due diligence is required. it's not that complex. Get the bores inspected by an experienced outfit.
@@flat6croc 100% they need checking to be on the safe side. I was daft and got it checked after buying, acted with my head and not my heart 🤣 thankfully nothing there but as you said even if there was it’s not instant failure.
Completely agree with this as I am unfortunately one of the people with a cautionary tale! I found out about 7 months into owning my '05 911 997.1 Carrera S that it had bore scoring in all cylinders and ended up forking out £10k+ on an engine rebuild by Hartech (bought it in 2015 with about 75k on the clock). My advice for anyone looking to buy any Porsche of this era - pay for a Porsche specialist pre-purchase inspection and make sure they do a boroscope. I had a pre-purchase inspection on mine but it wasn't carried out by a specialist and they missed a couple of issues, most notable the bore-scoring.
I think the only other advice I'd give to anyone looking to buy a Porsche of this age and era is to make sure you're prepared to pay for little niggly things here and there and expect to pay a little more than you would on most other cars. Go into it with yours eye open to the fact you're buying a premium car for a budget price, and expect to pay a more premium price when things go wrong (e.g. my electric windows failed and a new regulator fitting was £600+).
That aside, I loved every second of owning my 911 and am now looking at getting Cayman S - although leaning slightly more towards the Gen2. Either way, I will definitely be paying for a Porsche specialist pre-purchase inspection!
@@Scenix19 wow that’s so unlucky:( such a shame that this plaques these cars. I would look for a gen 2 knowing what I know now. Just for piece of mind if anything. Hopefully mine will be ok and it seems it so far but only time will tell. It’s always in the back of your mind and the extra money a gen 2 costs I’d say well worth it!
When it comes to Bore Scoring the 2.7 appears to be a safer bet
It does but if you are after added bhp the S is the way to go. Just need to take care and make sure you get a good example:)
@@JoeTalksCars
What mileage is on yours?
@@mad_aboutwatches1143 just under 60k now. Tbh knowing what I know now I’d have gone for a higher mileage one. Seems to be around this mileage for bore score. Mind you it would make some UA-cam content if it gets scored 🤣 every cloud.
@@JoeTalksCars
I just need to decide whether I want the added BHP of the S but I have found a 2.7 with 60k pretty good SH for £13000 not sure if that’s expensive or not really I know there’s cheaper but condition won’t be there.
@@mad_aboutwatches1143 that’s a lot for a 2.7. Expect to pay around the £11k marks. Depends how well specced it is tho. Some even have 6 speed boxes as an option so that would attract a premium.
Sooooo, bore score... Sorry to hear bro. Thoughts?
Need to redo my buyers guide 😂 going to do a hindsight guide soon.
Set the leaves on fire that's the trick, just burn them out
🤣🤣🤣 ok Clarkson
The Name of this car called „Porsche“ and not „Porsch“
That’s a whole new debate.
Im german and I rather have people say porsch, instead of butchering the pronunciation of porsche (and trust me alot of people do). But thats just my opinion
@@stokeseta7107 my cousins are German and were happy for me to say Porsch. You hear 50% of each prenoucuation in the UK.
Why do most people in the UK mispronounce "Porsche"? It's a name, there's only one way to say it, and it's "Por-shuh". Other than that, good video with solid advice.
I asked my cousin who is German. She would rather people in the UK said Porsche rather than butcher the proper pronunciation. That’s for the comment tho:) going to do a revised one soon. Like a hindsight guide to buying one now I’ve had issues 🤣
@@JoeTalksCars It's very easy and here it is from Porsche themselves: ua-cam.com/video/Im2eYuGdmfY/v-deo.html
Fair comment, I'm not fussed tho. Potato Potato.
Rule #1 never buy one of these cars unless you have the bores scoped,,,!!! These engines are prone to bore scoring and will fail at some point
Found out the hard way😂 all fixed now but nearly cost as much as the car did to fix
Yes and only time will tell if the newer generation is free from this problem... The latest gen we do not know yet, and the generstion before that shows signs of also having same problem but it happens later at more kilometers driven. But it seems sooner or later the bore score happens if your engine have run long enough. It also happens on Subaru and Toyota so it seems all boxer engines suffer from this more or less.