Using Box Squats for Knee Tendonitis with Mark Rippetoe

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  • @estebandiiidotv
    @estebandiiidotv 4 роки тому +167

    Rip is my favorite crossfit athlete

  • @NaturalHypertrophy
    @NaturalHypertrophy 4 роки тому +51

    Preach! I cured acute patella tendinitis using a high box and doing slow negative squats with an explosive concentric phase.

    • @finkkiller
      @finkkiller 3 роки тому

      Did you reduce the amount of weight?

    • @anon2034
      @anon2034 3 роки тому +1

      In what rep range? Did you reduce the amount of weight?

    • @38Fanda
      @38Fanda 2 роки тому

      I noticed too that a regular box squat height didnt work for me, since my right glute did not activate (enough) in that depth. and glute bridges are fucking boring

  • @andyolli5812
    @andyolli5812 4 роки тому +41

    Love it or hate it, but Rip makes sense in 9/10 cases

    • @bubhinson
      @bubhinson 4 роки тому

      JARRET MATTA It’s a cue, cuz a lot of times you’ll see people look up

    • @joebot9309
      @joebot9309 3 місяці тому

      Not in practice though lol

  • @MagnumMuscle1000
    @MagnumMuscle1000 4 роки тому +46

    Box squats and several wraps of 'voodoo floss' above my kneecaps cured my tendinitis. It took about three months.

    • @exodus2751
      @exodus2751 4 роки тому +3

      Hi, how did u do it? Do u start with light weight and going increasing it a bit every training? Thanks

  • @DrSwole
    @DrSwole 4 роки тому +54

    I’m currently dealing with patellar tendinitis... Interesting work-around, it’s amazing how much you can do with exercise variation 👌🏼

    • @kipponi
      @kipponi 4 роки тому +2

      I have it too sometimes. Patellofemoral syndrome because of Running, runners knee.
      It feels directly centre of the knee.
      Downstairs hurts most not upstairs.
      Box Squat is okay for cure but light weights. But it shouldn't hurt much when doing. First rest, ice and inflammatory drugs.
      Then gradually training.

    • @Ornelas512
      @Ornelas512 4 роки тому +5

      Smoke weed.

    • @DrSwole
      @DrSwole 4 роки тому

      kipponi patellofemoral is a common one. And I’m mainly playing with exercise selection and rep ranges along with relaxing the quads

    • @DrSwole
      @DrSwole 4 роки тому

      Alexis Ornelas lol

    • @kipponi
      @kipponi 4 роки тому +1

      @@DrSwole Losing weight always helps if you are runner.
      I am now 87kg because former bodybuilder(muscle mass) . Nowadays cycling and running.
      Gym twice a week. Older man hobbies.

  • @joshbooker7055
    @joshbooker7055 4 роки тому +2

    Perfect timing! I have clients with knee pain. Thanks for all the awesome information!

  • @newerest1
    @newerest1 4 роки тому +18

    didnt know that the rebound could hurt creaky knees. makes sense that force has to go somewhere

  • @jordan-kristina2014
    @jordan-kristina2014 4 роки тому +6

    Ive had quad tendonitis on and off for years. I put most of the blame on the whole "shove your knees out" teaching. I squatted for ten years with no knee pain. Then for some reason I felt I should try something new. Bad mistake.
    Been doing box squats lately and its been helping. Also transitioned from high bar to low bar. I think long term that will be better for my knees

    • @yaqo6577
      @yaqo6577 4 роки тому

      What do you mean by knees out?

    • @jordan-kristina2014
      @jordan-kristina2014 4 роки тому +1

      @@yaqo6577 like way out. Kelly starret teaches that. Everyone else, including rip, teach knees in line with toes.

    • @nytroxnikko1532
      @nytroxnikko1532 4 роки тому

      I've been suffering from it since 8 months. Its mild but it's always there. It doesn't go with rest.

  • @ryanday9737
    @ryanday9737 3 роки тому +2

    I have found over many years that the best solution is almost always to WORK through the injury. Probably means different or modified exercises with lower weights...but laying off usually makes it worse. Have a great PT tat has taught me a lot through nexk, shoulder, back, knee pains.

    • @tommyharris5817
      @tommyharris5817 2 роки тому

      I got rid of my patella tendonitis by doing single-leg eccentric-only decline squats on a 25° board whilst holding a dumbbell in one hand. Nothing else worked. Studies have proven this to be the best conservative method too.

  • @Fortress333
    @Fortress333 4 роки тому +9

    Knee tendonitis is a bitch to deal with. If you think you're smart, you will of course rest the knee. This totally does not work. In fact, it may make it worse. Now that I think about it, you can bet it will become worse with rest. The tissues will degrade further and if you are a trained individual, you will detrain.
    It was my first chronic physical injury. It developed because of running, which is a stupid activity (if you ask me) if done for long distances. Back then, I thought it was very healthy to run. It's an activity that is just begging for an overuse injury, especially because it's an activity many untrained people engage in as a sort of way to get in shape/fit/healthy/get sweaty/whatever it is they get out of it. It made me feel good, which is what I got out of it. You get in these bright Chinese-made shoes you have to pay a lot for and there you go slamming your joints on the tarmac or something. If you're lucky, you have woods nearby. I had never done any resistance training and so I was untrained and thought running would do me much good. Cough cough (no corona, knocks on wood). Well, to be honest, it led me down this path of training. I learned knee tendonitis will heal if you strengthen the musculature, tendons, and ligaments. Not sure if heal is the right word, because I learned the damage is done, but you can remodel the tendon around the messed-up tissue. It took me a while, and at times it flared up when I didn't know much about good programming. I have now been years without it ever rearing its ugly head and I squat 2-3 times a week (back and front squats; I've never done box squats) and also do bodyweight squats each day in daily life. When I suffered from the knee tendonitis (patellar), I was REALLY depressed. This is a long story not worth sharing here. It was a stabbing pain when I squatted and got to a certain depth, which was not deep at all, then I had to get up, which was also hugely painful. This did not invite to squat at all, but that's what I learned to do.
    One last piece of advice and then I'll shut my trap: Squatting only helped me get rid of the knee tendonitis if done deep. Maybe just below parallel is enough, but I squat a lot deeper. The resting squat is what really helped me: just sitting in a deep squat for minutes, like many Asians do.

    • @TAasali
      @TAasali 3 роки тому +1

      Thanks 🙌🙌

    • @JuanCarlosLopez-tj4hh
      @JuanCarlosLopez-tj4hh 2 роки тому

      You are absolutely right about that I also have the same issue but when I squad deep with plates underneath my heels I get less pain

    • @Fortress333
      @Fortress333 2 роки тому +1

      @@JuanCarlosLopez-tj4hh Just do sets of 5 with good form and stay well within pain threshold at first and gradually build up with 5 lbs per training session. Two days rest in between. Three working sets with the same weight should be enough each session. Your pain will be gone in no time at all.

    • @JamesFeey
      @JamesFeey Рік тому

      ​@@Fortress333 are you saying box squat depth is not adequate for patella strengthening? Because I've being building up these on strength by 2.5kg every session like you said

    • @Fortress333
      @Fortress333 Рік тому

      @@JamesFeey I would caution against front squats, but I think box squats can be helpful in getting stronger, sure. I don't do them personally. They are perfectly fine to overload. I strongly suggest do back squats without a box. Go below parallel; pausing at the bottom is very helpful to reinforce good technique. Be sure to start light, so that the squat itself causes no increasing pain during the training and not afterward. Squatting below parallel is perfectly normal for the human body and it should cause no pain.

  • @stephend50
    @stephend50 4 роки тому +11

    Explains why my knee hurts less with increased weight. It's easier for me to be more hip dependent

    • @jamesellison6154
      @jamesellison6154 4 роки тому +4

      Yup mine kill on warm up and feel fine at higher weights too.

    • @golfshoe9321
      @golfshoe9321 8 днів тому

      I discovered this yesterday as well, just body squats hurt, but when you add weight, there is less pain.

  • @NorthsideChamps16
    @NorthsideChamps16 4 роки тому +1

    I tried all of this shit, dry needling box squats, strengthening my knee with bands, PT 3 times a week, resting it, working it, scraping it, icing it. Just had TENEX back in September to remove the scar tissue off of my patellar tendon along with PRP and it's finally gone away. Still had some pain left and found out my Plica in my knee was getting pinched in my joint along with a rough and pointy/jagged underside of my knee cap. So while my knee was a little more than just tendonitis, look to TENEX if you can't get it to go away after trying everything else.

  • @jabberwock14
    @jabberwock14 4 роки тому +2

    Love these videos, would love to see one on the chin up protocol for Elbow tendinitis

    • @Fortress333
      @Fortress333 4 роки тому +5

      If I remember correctly, Starting Strength advises a shitload of chin-ups to really aggravate the joint some more, leading to a dramatic increase in the body's effort to repair the tissues in the elbow. I'm not joking. I had never heard of this advice when I had elbow tendonitis, but applied the same method out of sheer frustration years ago. At the time, I thought I was doing something stupid (I really wanted to do chin-ups, despite the pain), but to my surprise it worked. Never suffered from the elbow tendonitis again. Of course, afterward I changed my training approach, because the issue developed because of too much volume and not enough recovery and adaptation.

    • @jabberwock14
      @jabberwock14 4 роки тому +1

      @@Fortress333 I remember it being a bunch of singles. Then you start doubles, and so on. I've heard it on the Q&A, I just like how well-done the videos are.

    • @sleepingtube
      @sleepingtube 4 роки тому

      startingstrength.com/training/elbow-tendonitis-how-it-occurs-and-what-to-do-about-it

  • @charlottejordan8080
    @charlottejordan8080 4 роки тому

    Thank You Rip.

  • @victoraizenwilson4432
    @victoraizenwilson4432 3 роки тому

    Thank you mark

  • @michaelkborozan4121
    @michaelkborozan4121 4 роки тому +9

    Would be interested in your thoughts on working around elbow tendinitis. Thx.

    • @oliverallen5324
      @oliverallen5324 4 роки тому

      Michael Klint Borozan there’s an article on the protocol. Basically do chin ups(yes it hurts, a lot). It’ll go away after a week.

    • @McCawidule
      @McCawidule 4 роки тому +3

      Rip's advice, so far as I can tell, is to perform several (5?) sets of chin ups to inflame the entire forearm and elbow, and that after about five weeks the inflammation caused will also help to cure the elbow tendonitis.

    • @SettleNow
      @SettleNow 4 роки тому

      Leo do you have a link for that? Hive had golfer’s elbow (from paddling) for 9 months

    • @SettleNow
      @SettleNow 4 роки тому

      @@GUILHERME-qq2jj Thank you.

    • @1995Benzo
      @1995Benzo 4 роки тому

      Same

  • @roopney
    @roopney 4 роки тому +1

    I have done my MCL (strain) I think these will work, thanks.

  • @AndreiGrozea
    @AndreiGrozea 4 роки тому +5

    Would love to hear your thoughts on squatting with peroneal tendonitis / peroneal subluxation, and if there's a way to fix it.
    My peroneal tendon has been bothering me during squats for the last 2 months or so, it started to hurt so bad to the point where I couldn't walk on the affected foot for around 3 days, then the pain started to slowly lessen, but the tendon still slips out of the ankle groove from time to time. I've heard this is very common in runners, but I never run. I can't tell if the problem was caused by bad form or something else.
    Unrelated, love your videos, and the podcast even more, keep up the good work :)

    • @peakperformancetrain
      @peakperformancetrain 4 роки тому

      Have you tried anchoring a band to a fixed object low about the height of the bend of your ankle then put your foot at the height of the bend of the ankle into the band turn around walk away from the fixed object until you can’t any more the band pulls or flosses the joint then bend the ankle where knee goes past toes , many times 15 - 20 one or 2 second reps. It worked for me, in addition to various massage treatments,, ie foam roller , hyper volt, e stem, manual massage ect heat on the peroneal muscle. This is such an annoying injury. The band I think has to be kinda thick and heavy 75 lbs plus of tension.

    • @AndreiGrozea
      @AndreiGrozea 4 роки тому

      @@peakperformancetrain i haven't, i will try it today

    • @peakperformancetrain
      @peakperformancetrain 4 роки тому

      Andrei Grozea sorry if the description is confusing , the origin of that foot pain is often times up in the peroneal muscles , starting at the top of the fibula attachment and palpate down , you’ll catch hot spot or two or a lot more ? Good luck 👍

    • @AndreiGrozea
      @AndreiGrozea 4 роки тому

      @@peakperformancetrain the description is good, I've seen that exercise recommended by athleanx in some of his videos

  • @anon2034
    @anon2034 3 роки тому

    God bless You sir!

  • @Huffman_Tree
    @Huffman_Tree 4 роки тому +5

    Very informative, coath

    • @HenchPig
      @HenchPig 4 роки тому +3

      Coach wouldn't be happy with you calling another couch coath.

    • @Huffman_Tree
      @Huffman_Tree 4 роки тому

      @@HenchPig My bad entirely. Mark would be more of a recliner

  • @joeymarino7
    @joeymarino7 4 роки тому +1

    thank you!

  • @norpfuseman1485
    @norpfuseman1485 4 роки тому +2

    So does this fix the knee tendinitis like the chin-up fix for elbow tendinitis or just allow you to do some squatting

    • @matthewmchenry2889
      @matthewmchenry2889 4 роки тому

      Continuing to exercise and strengthen the muscles supporting the knee will help a lot of chronic tendonitis scenarios.

  • @m_r__r_o_b_o_t
    @m_r__r_o_b_o_t 4 роки тому +1

    Same for bicep tendinitis please!

  • @Truthdosentexist69
    @Truthdosentexist69 2 роки тому +1

    That's that Louie Simmons shit!

  • @thebestever333
    @thebestever333 Рік тому

    If I don't have patellar tendonitis, but PFPS (kneecap injury) should I still do this exercise?

  • @klevdavful
    @klevdavful Рік тому

    Squat has always been and always will be a hip Dominant exercise .
    If you wanted a squat some heavyweight you have to have good develop hips the front leg muscle just go along for the ride and you can get all sweaty and wet later developing your front quads

  • @jonathanvazquez7030
    @jonathanvazquez7030 2 роки тому

    Would patellar tendinitis heal with doing deadlifts instead of low bar squats or box squats??

  • @oldlifter530
    @oldlifter530 4 роки тому

    Thank you

  • @truthbetold6496
    @truthbetold6496 4 роки тому +4

    Pretty amazing advice, physio is total crap for any tendonitis

  • @robertcachia6484
    @robertcachia6484 4 роки тому

    Since I have switched to low bar squat's my knees have felt great but a couple of weeks ago I developed Bursa in my Left knee. Do you think the box would be better for me.

  • @SuperPulseadasArmwrestling
    @SuperPulseadasArmwrestling 4 роки тому +6

    How to Avoid getting tendinitis?

    • @psychowithsuperpowers
      @psychowithsuperpowers 3 роки тому +2

      Break at your hips at the top of the squat. You should not be initiating a squat without breaking at your hips first to activate your glutes, hamstrings, and quads.

  • @maintenanceman2475
    @maintenanceman2475 4 роки тому +1

    I've had osgood schlatters disease for 15 years..it seems no amount of rest or squat alternatives make any difference..any advice?

    • @plazahotelmusic
      @plazahotelmusic 4 роки тому

      I have it also, I am going to give the box squat a try - If not I might have to have an operation

    • @maintenanceman2475
      @maintenanceman2475 4 роки тому

      @@plazahotelmusic
      Give them a try but for me box squats hurt my knee more..it seems to put a lot of twisting torque on the outside of my knee..I have found that doing reverse lunges zercher style with a barbell has been a great replacement zero knee pain ..

  • @pi1810
    @pi1810 4 роки тому

    Are there any exercises for a sagging neck if you also have back pain and weak knees?

  • @_Only_Zuul
    @_Only_Zuul 4 роки тому

    thanks. do you have a video about training with chronic shoulders pain and tendonitis?

    • @DJ-ts6oe
      @DJ-ts6oe 3 роки тому

      i know this is an old comment but what helped me was dumbbell presses with a hammer grip

  • @briancatt7813
    @briancatt7813 4 роки тому +9

    Look at how vertical those tibias are. Holy smokes...

    • @newerest1
      @newerest1 4 роки тому +7

      hip drahve

    • @kipponi
      @kipponi 4 роки тому

      Yeah can anyone be like that? I doubt.

    • @Xplora213
      @Xplora213 4 роки тому

      Vertical shins are standard practice for a LOT of athletic programs in the USA.

  • @zet8245
    @zet8245 4 роки тому

    Do you have any benchpress or chest workout variations for tricep tendonitis?

  • @FolksingerFitness
    @FolksingerFitness 2 роки тому

    Helpful.

  • @KadenKilgore
    @KadenKilgore 4 роки тому

    What do you recommend for osteoarthritis in the shoulder? Military presses don’t bother it much, but bench press absolutely kills it and as a result my bench max has dropped heavily

    • @CrazyLocoInsane1
      @CrazyLocoInsane1 4 роки тому

      Man too bad the bench press cant go up heavily

  • @jgbecker24
    @jgbecker24 4 роки тому +1

    Dumb question: does this change the master cue of driving through one's mid foot to driving through their heels instead given the vertical shin angle?

    • @davidec.4021
      @davidec.4021 4 роки тому +1

      Not really, focusing on the heel with cause imbalances. Try focusing on the hips going back, the back will be(come) less vertical and the weight will still be balanced mid-foot. At least that’s what works for me. The heels cue is very easy to misinterpret

    • @Xplora213
      @Xplora213 4 роки тому +1

      John Becker easiest answer for you is this... midfoot drive is NOT the master cue. It is a MAJOR cue and an awesome one. But it’s not the only one. I’ve recently taught the deadlift to someone and I always think pull the bar, but she got it right after saying ‘stand up’. Her bone lengths meant this applied the force in the right way for her with this cue.
      Make sense? My box squat is not a foot focused movement but a pure hip move.

    • @jgbecker24
      @jgbecker24 4 роки тому

      @@davidec.4021 Thanks for the clarification. That makes a lot of sense. I didn't think heel-drive would be an effect.

  • @jamesianv
    @jamesianv 3 роки тому

    Is that tendinitis usually on the inside of the knee?

  • @keithhopkins1346
    @keithhopkins1346 4 роки тому

    Solution for chronic hip tendinosis?

  • @totallyraw1313
    @totallyraw1313 4 роки тому

    Does meniscus pain heal with a layoff?

  • @ActionAnte
    @ActionAnte 3 роки тому

    How often should i squat ??

  • @myguitardidyermom212
    @myguitardidyermom212 4 роки тому

    no heyupp drahv????

  • @bulevarknjiga6691
    @bulevarknjiga6691 4 роки тому +1

    Anything for so called "tenis elbow"? I got this condition from over zealous partial deadlifts.

    • @revenanke3132
      @revenanke3132 4 роки тому

      Rip has talked about this in two podcast episodes (one of them with Michael Matthews). Do 20 sets of chin ups every 4 days, with whatever amount of reps you can manage to keep up for all those sets.

    • @bulevarknjiga6691
      @bulevarknjiga6691 4 роки тому

      @@revenanke3132 thanks that sound familiar

    • @TheFlipsta97
      @TheFlipsta97 4 роки тому

      JM Press and daily ultra high Banded Tricep pushdowns. It'll hurt worse for the first few days, stick with it and you'll build the tendons.

  • @tony72tony72
    @tony72tony72 4 роки тому

    i replaced the tendon with kt tape, sort of works,

  • @ibby81ae
    @ibby81ae 3 роки тому

    What about just doing low bat squats

  • @williamjones5424
    @williamjones5424 4 роки тому

    Would box squats be good for someone that has had a total knee replacement. I'm 4 month's into mine and i can squat low bar with minimal to no pain. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks , Nick

    • @mitchschutter4302
      @mitchschutter4302 4 роки тому +1

      I believe I've heard of people squatting just fine on new knees in several Ask Rip videos and possibly SS radio episodes.

    • @Hast91
      @Hast91 4 роки тому

      Doing normal squats would be more beneficial if you can do them, especially when doing the novice linear progression as you probably should be doing after an extensive knee surgery. As an intermidiate or advanced lifter you could think about using them as a lighter squat variation.

    • @williamjones5424
      @williamjones5424 4 роки тому +1

      Thanks for the info hast91 and Mitch Schutter. I'm in the gym this morning and squatting normal as recommended and everything is working fine...no pain !!

    • @williamjones5424
      @williamjones5424 Рік тому +1

      @@Cosmos_Mariner it's going great . I'm squatting 235 , deadlifting 285 , benching 195 . Not big numbers but nor bad for 67 year old wth knee replacement. The main thing after surgery is to not sit around and say " I can't do that anymore " or will become a real old person . Don't fear getting knee replacement just back to training immediately after physical therapy and you'll be fine and not old and weak !!

  • @AlphaDad
    @AlphaDad 4 роки тому

    can box squats be used for those that are just getting started and are "weaker" or would goblets be better ?

    • @Xplora213
      @Xplora213 4 роки тому +1

      Rockstarr0606 normal low bar back squats are best. Third edition book covers this great.

  • @rtm6930
    @rtm6930 4 роки тому +3

    Can I do this with a Trap Bar?

  • @fatihalpay4903
    @fatihalpay4903 3 роки тому

    This is way of Louie Simmons right? You came back from raptured patellar tendon with box squat?

  • @FatalityDiablo
    @FatalityDiablo 4 роки тому +4

    is there a thing as shoulder tendonitis? i am really keeping my weights down on the bench (60kg max.) so that i can barely avoid pain fit good form. overhead movements like the press or snatch don't bother me that much on the contrary. what can be done in my case, rippetoe san?

    • @kipponi
      @kipponi 4 роки тому +1

      You maybe have long bicep tendon problem. Inflammation.
      It is long recovering. I had 6months.

    • @aanadirbloodblade905
      @aanadirbloodblade905 4 роки тому

      I have shoulder pain as well during the bench press, narrowing my grip width has seemed to help quite a bit.

    • @kipponi
      @kipponi 4 роки тому

      @@aanadirbloodblade905 And elbows closer to ribs helps too like 45° angle.

    • @keithhopkins1346
      @keithhopkins1346 4 роки тому

      Try dumbbell pressing for several months. Worked like magic for me. Keep the elbows at 45 degrees from the body.

    • @SuperZoggy
      @SuperZoggy 4 роки тому

      Look at increasing shoulder mobility during the squat. It was really effecting my BP. After a few weeks it’s much better

  • @HAL-dm1eh
    @HAL-dm1eh 4 роки тому

    Unfortunately low bar hurts my arms (and the rest of the workout, if I can even do it) more than high bar hurts my knees.

    • @petertaylor9432
      @petertaylor9432 4 роки тому

      You might want to try changing your grip width

    • @bigdevil566
      @bigdevil566 4 роки тому

      Golfer's Elbow? Keep a neutral wrist during your lifts... my problem started with gripping the bar wrong during chins. Rip has a video on how to grip the bar during chins, this alone helped tremendously. I can now squat elbow pain free.
      Or stick to high bar, many impressive squats have been done so.

  • @andrew-zr1pf
    @andrew-zr1pf 4 роки тому

    Start of video. Knee tendonitis won't heal with a lay off. End of video- knees need rest when strained.... ?
    Also I find partials good for warming up rather than going into full range of motion straight away. Takes up a bit more energy bit worth it when it saves your knees.

  • @sindrereinotrosterud
    @sindrereinotrosterud 4 роки тому

    Depth of a legal squat? What's an illegal squat?

  • @ynots0625
    @ynots0625 4 роки тому

    Boomhauer and Bill Daughtree

  • @WantDemPoints
    @WantDemPoints 2 роки тому +1

    Isn't working around it basically the same as doing nothing? So how do I make my knee more resilient?

  • @mach5jeep
    @mach5jeep 3 роки тому +5

    Every strength coach: Squatting isn't bad for your knees
    Every squatter: I have chronic patella tendonitis.
    Things that make you go hmmm

  • @craigcrawford6749
    @craigcrawford6749 4 роки тому

    Rip has chronic gut swollenitis

  • @connorw360
    @connorw360 4 роки тому

    Rippetoe is a slug. Deadlifts are the best exercises ever, you sleep like a rock

    • @Re3iRtH
      @Re3iRtH 4 роки тому

      The way he looks certainly isn't helping his credibility. 'I like whiskey and food' lol nice