Can SlapChop Improve Your Miniature Speed Painting ?
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2024
- ive seen the slapchop videos doing the rounds and i thought i try and add some of the steps to my speed painting for my miniatures to see if its just hype or can help me improve my speed painting for my warhammer miniatures
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YES, Ive gone from hating painting miniatures and only painted a handful in the past 2 years to now painted 9 kill teams and a handful of miniatures in the past few months and love the result, love your channel by the way and you are a great genuine honest kinda guy, wanna collab 🙂
I love your channel man.:)
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That's awesome to hear! Anything that gets folks painting in any style they choose is great & a great leap for their hobby experience.
Yes maybe the name is not liked, but if it gets more people painting all the better.
I would much rather someone use this method than have them show up with a bunch a grey plastic on the table. Paint snobs get caught up in the "which is better" argument, when the vast majority of tabletop game miniatures people have bought are unpoainted and probably never will be. Getting them painted by any means necessary should be the goal.
It reminds me of people knocking down oatmeal for breakfast when they don't realize most people eat such a terrible jank for breakfast like a candybar and coffee etc.
100% agree. Too many snobs about, even in these comments. A technique has been highlighted by some UA-camrs to help others and all people do is complain. Sad.
As someone that isn't a fan of painting due to lack of skills, any method that can get bulk sets done quicker is alright by me.
@@DJPeteypie lack of skills shouldn't be an issue mate, this is a hobby, no one is paying you. You paint your minis however you want.
The voice of reason, banish the gray!
Back in the 90S/00S, when I was able to still paint, this is how I did my horde/mass armies. It worked well for Vampire Counts, Orcs and Goblins, and even a small Space Marine chapter. Instead of contrast paints though I used a paint/ink mix.
...as so many of us did. 😉
It's funny how influencers can rebrand a technique that's been around since the 90s and then argue with eachother about it. Great video.
One little extra tip from Artis Opus that I haven't seen any of these Slapchop reviews relaying or using, is dabbing your unloaded dry bush in a just moist (not wet) sponge to get just the tiniest touch of moisture on the bristles before loading the grey or white paint, and before wiping off on your towel/chipboard. Drybrushing with a bone dry brush, especially with the chalky pigments usually found in whites, will leave that chalky texture under all your contrast paint efforts. Takes a little getting used to, to get the right amount of moisture, so you're not accidentally overbrushing, but it results in a less gritty drybrush grisaille base.
Thanks for this tip, I changed from GW to vallejo white/grey but ended always a grainy result....
Watching “the office” in the background. Beautiful! Probably one of the best shows to watch while you’re painting
As someone who has struggled to get my ork army painted due to lack of motivation and slow painting, this method has been a game changer for me.
It really has reinvigorated my painting, and I find myself looking forward to sitting down with a cup of tea and painting up my ladz while I watch some youtube.
I find it really relaxing, just drybrush 3 - 4 models, get your contrast and speed paints and start the 3d colouring book!
I then do metallics / bone and wash with agrax and add some fleshy glazes to lips and scars and it's done!
So satisfying and although its not at the level that Ive achieved with the traditional base shade highlight style, it takes a bloody fraction of the time for very acceptable results!
I just enjoy not having to worry about paint consistency and achieving good tones etc. so much more stress free.
Slapchop gets the thumbs up from me!
The whole "prime in dark grey and spray a light tone from above" thing has helped me a lot. Playing with speed paints and contrast paints is fun! I definitely do more after I base things that way.
I find it neat that this painting style is taking off. I actually started doing this process a while ago after watching a bunch of painters on youtube before the name even came about. it just makes sense.
The name will likely be a fad. But Its just a new name for an ancient technique.
So it'll just go back to being called one of its many other names of: underpainting, undershading, value sketching and grisaille.
Its a fast method to get a decent tabletop standard army. Like any method it can also be used as the base for more detailed paint jobs.
I've been uming and arghing about traditional painting with layers/washes/highlight or slapchopping my MESBG Armies which i'm about to do... and this video has finally put my internal turmoil to bed. If I was in a rush for a tournament I'd do slapchop but i do think traditional looks better and as I am in no rush for a tournament, will go down that route. Thanks for showing me slapchop, its helped me make my decision. Love Love Love.
I do believe that this technique is good for certain aspects of the model. For me I struggle with painting flesh and this seems to help me in that area. I feel like metal still needs to be done with a brush. But it’s like what Bruce Lee says if it helps you in a fight don’t dismiss any other fighting style. Same here if it helps take your painting to another level use it
as I've had a fair number of injuries to my hands over the last 10 years, this is sort of how I've been painting anyway. I've found videos by artis opus and ms paints really helpful too. it took me a long time to be comfortable with how I paint, not saying I was any good in the first place I was a strong "eh" at best.
compared to no paint at all. sure its fine. compared to other more traditional painting styles, or even newer contrast methods i feel like its definitely bottom tier. It's also very sculpt dependant. the more flat areas, the worse slap chop looks imho.
Ultimately it all comes down to the quality of the drybrushing. The worse your technique at drybrushing, the more grainy and low definition everything looks and I feel like a zenithal via airbrush or even rattlecan is just a better method
Slapchop is a new name for an old technique that’s is very fun an user friendly. Someone just came up with a silly fun name for it
Great stuff friends 👏 👍
love it paintin a mutant version of yourself good stuff
I’ve been working through 40 Mordor Orcs this week using slapchop.
It’s been effective personally,used a mix of Contrast and AP Speedpaints.
Varnished then put a filter of streaking grime on.
Removed the high points of the model with the grime with spirits and cotton buds.
I’ve never painted so many figures in such a short time.
Try it,it’s a lovely way to get through a backlog of horde type armies.
Is it wrong that every time someone says slap chop I want it to be a martial art where they say what they're doing the whole time 🤣
If you went into a store with models painted like this you'd get a high five. 99.9% of wargamers will praise anything that's been painted
For myself, I probably wouldn’t do this style (I love taking time with my painting) but if people wanted to get their models ready for a DnD game, or whatever then it’s ideal.
I’ve done this kind of painting for years though was never fully happy with the fact that there always seemed to be too much grey showing through or it looked too muted. However, with contrast/speed paint etc, it works so much better than with just thinned down normal paints…
As someone who considers themselves a mid level painter I love speed paints, I have a over a hundred zombie minis who I intend to paint with them, The two problems I have with it is the speed painted models dont match my none speed painted models so things like my Judge Dredd models wont see them used as I would have mis matched models and large models seem to get some white spots from wear easily so they need mat varnishing.
Idk, fundamentally I enjoy painting and I don't see why I would want to just wish through it like it's a chore I need to get out of the way.
I’m confused how the grey & white dry brush all over is the same as a zenithal. I thought a zenithal was a white spray from the top down, to show the direction the light was coming in from (like the sun at zenith)
Zenithal or directed zenithal gives you the light from a source. This is basically underpainting in grey scale and then you tint the colours in. Of course then there's the volumetric underpainting where you use the model's shapesso you enforce their look using the volumetric lighting. And then you tint it more with transparent colours. Naturally you can use any colour for the yunderpainting / volumetric painting.
@@jaanikaapa6925 thank you! So there is a difference between this underpainting (currently being discussed as slap chop), and zenithal?
@@vee_tinymoose Sort of variations. Grisaille, slapchop, is sketching all the values in grey while zenithal gives you the "ray tracing" from one source of light. Close to each other but different. Dana Howl's channel has a great school about Grisaille use... Also Marco Frisoni.
So, if you don't want to mess with tubs of very hot water, I can recommend a cheap heat gun. I found one discarded a while back and it works great for heating up models before removing their supports.
So I have used this painting style before, it was okay for a while. Sometimes, depending on the paint, my base coat completely covers up my "Zenithal Highlight" and it was kind of a waste of time, so I just do regular highlights.
Signed up for the merchant tier on tribes, now I'll be able to sell Luke in my etsy store lol.
Luke the mini you painted has a strong semblance to someone....
Is it true that one of Witchsong’s sculptors went mad trying to capture the intoxicating leonine wonder of Josh’s mane?
Am I the only one who can't distinguish Josh and Luke by their voices. They sound so similar. Maybe it is just the accent. XD
It is just the accent.
is there any alternative to these print at home models? i dont have a 3d printer and im fairly new to painting but ive spotted some i would really like to try.
09:12 the future is now old man
It's definitely nothing new but has been boosted by contrast paints. The only issue is everyone's painting style ends up looking the same. It is quite a fun way of painting.
This certainly gets models on the table fast. I'm not so sure about 'teaching people how to paint minis' is correct; not in the traditional sense. People with no brush control aren't going to learn brush control with this method.
Also, pretty sure this whole technique has been around for ages. Painting over zenithal is just glazing. You don't even need speedpaints for it (or contrast)--just thin your paint down to a glaze and give it a few passes and focus on the recesses and you'll get a very good effect (even better than using speedpaints and contrast because you have more control).
It's also safer to use glazes (in the sense that if you screw up with speedpaint and contrast, it's hard to correct). Glazes are thinned and therefore easier to manage. If you mess up, you can easily paint over it without having to glob on the base color or primer color to fix.
And if you don't want to make a lot of thinned passes, you can use inks and create washes (even making them into batches so you won't run out and can keep your washes as consistent as the bought stuff whilst saving yourself a ton of money).
Just some thoughts. Overall, I appreciate what you're trying to do and encouraging people to get painted minis on the table. It's good stuff. Admittedly, I won't be using these methods but certainly no ill will to anyone who does. I just hope they also think about their wallets and experiment with other techniques and tricks that might not be as wasteful or costly. I'm sure as a Yorkshireman you can appreciate that! ;-)
I don't know if I agree with you about brush control. Using either regular inks and 'contrast' type inks requires good brush control to get them to go where you want, they have a lot of flow and someone is going to pick that up by using them. And good dry-brushing is its own skill. Conversely I've seen 'regular paint' tutorials where the tutor advocates haphazardly slapping the paint on to get a base coat.
Painting method is wonderful and I’m glad people are discovering it and using it! It’s been around for hundreds of years and I love that it’s getting more recognition.
The new fad “clickbait” name is bad. Actual trash tier garbage that I have a visceral reaction to.
isn't the slap chop thing just a new name on an another just fairly basic painting thing using a primer with zenithal deal? I still can't help but think of the old info mercial for the kitchen thing
I've been doing it for decades so I have to agree. It's a quick way to knock out a army.
Essentially, yes. I do not like the name but I do like how it is being brought back so more people can paint faster and enjoy the game aspect of the hobby(ies). I learned it as "Underpainting" and when GW really enforced their "3-color rule" here this was the best way to quickly game.
Yes
Essentially it's the same idea as grisaille and underpainting which are centuries old canvas methods where you paint a monotone value (light and dark) painting then glaze colour over it. Thinned oils or watercolours then.
Pros: fast, works well on heavily textured areas. Cons: less control over placement of highlights and shading, result quite often looks "unfinished" to my eyes, painter's individual style removed.
What was the thingy you used to shake the paint bottle?
It's a Vortex paint mixer. Little motorized vibrating pad that you push the bottle on to waz it all up. Last I looked they are £80 odd but that might have changed.
It’s good of tou combine it with set blindi g and lining.
What is that spray you used to put the models on the bases?
Superglue activator probably. I use Mitrebond, its a woodworking thing. Spray the aerosol one one part, apply the glue to the other, they set almost instantly.
The one downside I see to this method is that there's not a ton of contrast left once you cover everything with the contrast paints so it all looks a bit dark and muddy. But it definitely still gives you a pretty good guide for where to focus on highlights with the next step, so I appreciate that about it.
I agree, I think you could make some improvements by base coating in a brown tone or lighter grey prime. Then use a lighter mid gray then white. I think these turned out a bit too grey overall compared to some i've seen.
If thats a worry you just build up a more heavy grey dry brush before moving on to white, you can control the brightness of the undercoat.
the speed of their brush is 5x slower , and not even talking about airbrush .. i mean its more like slow paint than speed paint ... I would say fastest method is
1.Prime white/gray or experiment to add pigment to white and splat it fast and at the end take smaller brush to push stuff into crevices
2. Undershade it
3. Drybrush deeper as prime colors
4. Drybrush for lighter colours
5. Highlight and final paint adjustments like silver swords
6. If desirable put bit of wash to combine colors
7. Varnish
Funny, this is just washing over zenithal highlights. Not sure why it's making such a surge. Marco from NotJustMecha has done a few videos around this painting ideology. Sure he did something for Malifaux with this technique ages ago.
Great to see these styles getting popular. I painted nighthaunt with this technique when they first came out and it's a very quick way to get an army done
slapchop or whatever you call it is definitely a tool ill use dependent on the project. a display piece ill stick to my tried and trested and time consuming method. do i want a boardgame with a hundred odd minitatures done that is going to be sat in a box unless im playing? get me the drybrushes
do you cure before removing supports?
That one guy looks just like you Luke lol
Does Luke ever wear PPE lol? Like genuinely worried about all the stuff you breathe in 😅😳
Why are people so mad at this method
The number of people in the comments who don't get the whole slap chop name and that think the dude invented it is pretty funny
Might be worth watching the original video 😉
Nah, they all just watch a couple of the negative videos that have assumed Honest Wargamer has claimed to invent it and let their imagination run wild it seems.
A valid technique, terrible name, i think a lot of the hate is because of the name. Zenithal sounds sexy, slapchop sounds like a knee trembler behind the bike shed.
I just don't get why people act like this is revolutionary, it's been around for decades, I've known about it since getting into the hobby in 2019.
Noone said it was - it was a skit video for fun to get people painting who normally wouldn't - watch the original it's a parody
It's just a cheap and easy "grisaille" technique. You both would have achived een better results with more diluted pigments layerrd up to intensify.
It’s as much a fad as grisaille because it’s grisaille.
This way off painting was first used in the 14th century, although not called slapchop, the method is the same.
WOW, those are some awesome models 👀 $3 you say? Shut up and take my money! 😅😅🤣🤣
Thanks for the video.
Most people only get to be a troll on the internet, now you get to be a troll everywhere.
Has anyone had any slapchop success with normal paints with speedpaint medium applied
Witch song is a great mini company, but these are all display style minis. Luke mentions that they're great fro Dnd, but try shrinking these down to 32 and 28mm. They're still beautiful, but you're going to lose all that intended detail. Still surely usable, but none of that beauty and artisty, and such will come through.
The thing is with slop chop, you have to have the right brush for dry brush. I have Opus and cheap make up brushes, cheap stuff takes longer to achieve what Opus can do. Speed pain and contrast paints can compliment both.
I refuse to pay for the opus dry brushes.. They don’t do anything a brush of the same size doesn’t do. It’s just an ego purchase. £70-80 for dry brushes that comes with soap ? Yeh nahhh.. I refuse to buy into the marketing of a nice box and soap for dry brushes..
Although I will say their ‘normal’ brushes are very good.
@@ryanflood635 Agreed, there is a place for everything but some things just use clever marketing and bunch of people that want to show off.
I prefer Spank Ribs
I think it's nothing new. I remember I've seen videos on youtube before citadel contrast paints existed about drybrushing white and then painting with inks/washes... so no innovation there.
The technique is totally fine and viable, not not even a new thing. The name, however, is shite.
I don't really get the hate about the Slapchop name. Seems like alot of annoyance over nothing. It's a catchy name for a style of painting that's easy to remember.
I have been giving it a go lately and also liking the results.
I’ll give my personal reasons for disliking the name. It is a harsh sounding clickbait term that doesn’t reflect the style in any way. It started as a meme name and it stuck. But it’s just so far from the actual painting style that it makes me feel actually dumber.
Then again, I’m an art snob, so I fully understand people not wanting to call it the Grisaille underpainting technique.
how is this faster than an air brush?
Just got to laugh at the painting gatekeepers, the name is a meme and Rob who came up with the name only put it out so more people could get something on the table, anyone that’s getting triggered and saying anything negative over people getting stuff painted or the name just know we’re laughing at you
Agreed! 🙂
I have been using this technique before it had a name. And I use it mostly when I teach new hobbyists how to paint.
>slapchop
>speed painting
>zenethyol
>glazing
>washing over white
How many fucking times are we going to "discover" this system again and again
This weekend I'm going to 'discover' a technique I call _nadiral lowlighting_ . You undercoat in white and then - get this - spray black up from underneath to create shadows. I'm then going to let a bunch of ADHD zoomers think up a ridiculous name for it.
@@harbl99 Old Man Screams at Cloud
I don't really know why people are getting their knickers in a knot over slapchop. The worst thing I can say about it is that it's a stupid name.
I use it in precisely the context it is intended for. It's a way of getting a good quality paint job on a large scale fairly quickly. I would say the results from slapchop are a lot better than basic speed paint for very little additional effort. I think a lot of people whining probably want everything painted like 'Eavy Metal or Angel Giraldez and they probably want to go have a word with some Historical Wargamers - you get more Kudos for the look of the army (i.e. all painted) than the individual miniatures and Slapchop absolutely allows you to achieve that. Another option is to paint using the normal speed paint method and go for a brown wash at the end. You will have armies painted up in next to no time
It's the name that people don't like
@@marmadukesandwich No, I've seen other "complaints" as well. Although complaint isn't really the right word, "dismissal" would be a better description
I think the name that they invented is degrading. It's a nice technique and works well if you don't have airbrush. I do zenithal undercoat with spray cans and paint over with contrast paints. Can't understand the negativity this technique has gathered from some. It's not much different from using airbrush to do zenithal undercoat followed with main colors.
I thought this was a video about those bracelets? Disappointed. 😢😂😂
Paint me... like one of your French ogres?
Isint this an old painting technique that’s just been renamed 🤷♂️
Painting snobbery is like fungus. It feeds on bullshit and it prospers in the dark. ;)
All youtubers act like the "slapchop" technique is something new, some people have been doing it for years
Old Man Screams at Cloud
The method seems like it could be useful, the name of it just annoys me, where's the chopping? 😁
The amount of ads in such a short video is annoying as hell...
I'm just gonna say the issue me and many others have with 'slap-chop' isn't the technique itself, it's with the jackass who invented a cutsey term for the technique and acted like they invented it, and their likewise annoying fanbase. The techniques great, and what I use as a go-to now. It was also a freaking obvious way to paint as soon as contrast paint was released to the market... And depending on who you ask has either been done with other materials since the dawn of the hobby or is a carry over from portrait painting.
Or, TL;DR - please do try the technique, just stop calling it the stupid, stupid name
It's a zenithal highlight. It's a bloody zenithal highlight stop calling it something else.
Old Man Screams at Cloud
Why - who gives a shit what people call it if it gets people painting - grow up
@@Chalky62 you grow up. Different people have different opinions, deal with it.
@@marmadukesandwich Your the one dictating what something should be called in an attempt to undermine others 🤷♂️
@@Chalky62 no, I'm just saying an opinion, as are others. I'm not trying to gatekeep techniques, I'm just saying the name is cringe.
I cringe at the word 'slapchop'. Can we go back to calling it underpainting, or en grisaille, or even 'dry-brush and ink'?
Get a text replacer add-on for your browser and set it to replace 'slapchop' with 'meatspin' or something equally scurrilous. It'll give you a sensible chuckle until the fad dies down.
No we cannot ... slapchop is a funny name for it and people have embraced it in their heart.
Little more serious: Why does it bother you really? It is just a funny name for a technique which apparantly (I am pretty new to painting, so I didn't know it before TheHonestWargamer made a funny video about it) has been around for ages.
@@harbl99 Old Man Screams at Cloud
@@Morrodin182 it just makes me cringe.
@@marmadukesandwich Why, surely more important things in your life than this 😂
Dude pulls out his airbrush. Ruins the experiment. Thumbs down.
It's rubbish
Yep, something people have been doing forever, but now it's a fad with a BS name everyone has to make a video about it
So what are we going to call normal dry brushing now? Post paint Slap Chop? Just dumb.
@@volz4103 i think we should call it whiff whaff technique
As long as it gets new people into and enjoying painting who cares about its name?
Old Man Screams at Cloud
As many others have said, the most annoying thing about slapchop is that it’s being presented as a brilliant new idea. Artists have been using translucent colours over a greyscale base for literally hundreds of years.
Old Man Screams at Cloud
Who exactly presented it as new
The name raises the hackles for me. It's grisaille, nothing new. The method is centuries old and mini painters have been using this as long as that. Nothing new.
That's my problem with it. Some guy finds out about the method and says he developed it. He didn't.
It is not what he said, mate. He said he learned it from monks on top of a mountain. Wry humour is clearly out of the realm of your imagination.
It was a joke
Old Man Screams at Cloud
He never said he developed it you lemon
@@Chalky62 I had a recollection he did, or said he discovered. Thank's for setting me right, you lime.
I'd like to slap whoever called it "SlapChop" first off. Secondly, people like Zumiko, Richard Grey, Darren Latham, and Marco have been doing this for a LONG time. Darren has quite a few videos of this. Why are people acting like this is "new and revolutionary" in the painting world?
Old Man Screams at Cloud
Maybe watch the original - it's a fuckin comedy video with the added aim of getting people painting - climb down off your high horse
I live in Nottingham England. Come give it a shot kid
@@TheHonestWargamer Love to see you reply 😁
I will never do slap bs painting on my channel... people want real painting help not some kind of shotrcut that looks like crap.
No technique is invalid
@@oliverp3545 0 pride... participation trophies.
@@28mmRPG Boomer attitude right there
Cringe ass attitude lmfao. Grow up.
@@harrisonlorens3585 lazy
This is on par with Heroscape paint jobs.
It's hyped up nonsense. It's a method to basically get some paint onto a mini so it doesn't look all gray and boring. But people are treating this like it's the next super method to look awesome. It's not. It's a bare minimum to apply paint.
You realise no one's treating it as a method to get awesome looking minis? It's a way of encouraging beginner painters to actually put some paint on their grey plastic armies? There's long been enough outrage about "3 colour minimums" for table top ready. With all the main mini paint companies now producing their own transparent/contrast/speed paints it's a reasonably fast way to get some basic painted models that avoids the One Thicc coat that many beginners have done.
@@crowanon3625 I've seen enough people treat it the way I said to justify my comment.
09:44 the future is now old man
Luke the mini you painted has a strong semblance to someone....