WoW PvP Tips & Tricks Nobody Talks About
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You can tell which spells require you to face the enemy target by looking at the casting animation. Every race has 2 casting animations. One that requires you to face the enemy target, and one that doesn’t.
thats actualy a really cool thing blizzard added. i didnt know that
The general rule is - Damaging spells have a facing requirement, whereas CC abilities don't.
@@Zippytvx not entirely true since some damaging abilities don’t require that. For example: shadow word death, and many other dots and abilities.
Doesnt Human female use same animation for both? just different ending for the animation?
There’s also a hidden DR which is knocks. I’ve had it before when my ring of peace doesn’t work when I play with a resto druid that ‘DR’s’ a target with vortex.
This is a great video for new players. I remember scouring the internet for this type of information (diminishing returns in particular) when I started playing WoW in legion and I had a hard time finding it. You don't see this type of content very often.
So true. I’m trying to learn how to play PvP in WoW, and I’ve made the following observation:
I come from years and thousands of hours in Dota 2, a PvP game that has a steep learning curve and a metric shit ton of information to be digested before being able to perform well. The only reason I was ever able to get a firm foothold in that game is Purge’s guides to every single intricacy of how the game functions, designed specifically for new players who know nothing about the game. He literally has HOURS-LONG VIDEOS (PLURAL) of guides. I have scoured UA-cam for the same type of guide for WoW PvP, and I have yet to find anything like it.
This kind of video is so welcome, and I am here to absorb all of this juicy, juicy content.
Love the tab targeting tip. So many games I've lost cuz I get stuck in a nameplate wormhole fighting 2 demo locks
Deep freeze in stun section make me laugh, bro XD. Old but gold, heh
It's like how demon hunters can dodge attacks from behind yet this incredibly strong trait is never mentioned anywhere. It's literally a unique ability for them.
Interesting. I believe there are a number of these little known mechanics, not shown in any tooltips.
Thanks! I saw some of this live and really appreciated the tips. I was really excited to get the chance to play with you on viewer 2s as well!
tbh, WoW has been really fun lately. been leveling in tbc for god tier wrath coming up. along with playing retail, been getting enough gold to buy subs and playing arena on retail. :D
Bro are you me? This has literally been my play style haha
@@WarpTenth lolol
IMO it's actually better that a game has a set of "legacy rules" that go deeper than common sense and normal knowledge, such that players have to actually encounter them and research them to know. If everything is surface deep and one simple look up or logical application away, the game would feel shallow. An MMO ought to be deep in this way, so to reward people who have put more time and mind to it. It offers people a sense of discovery and expertise once you have discovered these hidden mechanics. Old school D2 players know exactly what I'm talking about.
@@zxbc1 that sucks or that’s amazing, not readin that bro 😭
@@_bm1tv ☺ maybe read it anyway.
Some people don't even know shift+M opens a mini map in BGs which is very helpful. Then you can adjust transparency to your liking. Once in awhile I have to Shift+M (open / close ) to refresh it's accuracy.
Note: you could touch on " Mass Dispell " with priests as lots of people don't know how strong it can be.
these guides are much needed for new blood coming into WOW
7:48 Super useful to know in a practical sense too, because in tbc it makes it harder for rogues to gouge you as an interrupt while facing the other way
great vid thanks. knew some and didnt know others. been playing since 2007
Shiv had this same interaction with Evasion in tbc, wotlk, cata, and wod. It may work this way still, too.
Not sure, I don't pvp much anymore.
Mind Blown. I have a lot of time with this game for many years. I’m a casual player nowadays being a husband, retired Marine now a business owner and I’ll be 39 ends of the month so not have a lot of time to play but had no idea about shadow strike-through evasion. Always learn something new watching this guy and he always super positive which is rare these days. Wish the Xaryu the best.
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I mean when people complain about RoF and Poly is because it is 2 different school of spells. I know that you know that, but it's not about the type of cc.
People complain about mage because they have: ''insane'' burst potential, insane CC or ability to do cc ( 3 schools, but really you don't dragon's breath out of the blue but still, it is available), Insane survivability and insane MOBILITY. Okay, Consistent damage is meh on fire, and frost is easily interuppted and so is arcane. In this meta, there is only one thing that is important, BURST. ( damage wise)
Anyways, just wanted to point it out. Good video :D
there was an old tooltip saying "abilities coming from stealth can't be dodged / blocked or parried" however im not sure how it works if u use a regular (non-stealth required) ability from stealth
All abilities from stealth can't be avoided, but also any stealth-specific ability cannot be either, so if you as a Rogue for example, Shadow Dance CS/SS you can get through Evasion and the likes without stealth.
@@Lassitude1001 well yea , shadow dance 's tooltip says you can use all abilities "as you were in stealth" so its only natural it works like that
This is one of the most helpful WoW videos i've seen. I was away from the game for almost a decade and I simply can't follow most pvp videos. I dont know what they're doing, why they're doing it, what are they even looking at on their screen. I just gave up on watching PvP content. I guess I lost interest because I was lost.
The only PvP creator that I can follow is ArrowAssasin but that's probably because BG's are slower pace.
You should check out Cdews and Cdonts made by Cdew for beginners in arenas. He's a former blizzcon winning healer but most of what he talks about works for every class
holy shit!!! last time i watched you had about 80k subs and you're at 153k now!!! GRATS
if you use shadow dance your spells count as if youre stealthed, so you are hitting as if you were behind the target iirc
Ty . I did learn from this video. Especially about d.r.'s.
i literally have a s and d rebound to abilities, they arent movement keys, did this years ago have never needed them, and these three buttons are super easy and accessable. to play i always hold right click and use q w and e (strafing)
Shadowstrike hits trough evasion because its used with shadowdance, which mostly acts like stealth
The most important thing I've learned recently is incaps remove dots!! I don't know if all of them do, but chastise (no stun) does remove dots on application.
Poly, monk para, yup
That's not true, incap roar from druids and gouge from outlaw rogues does not remove dots. Maybe chastise incap does, idk, but definitely not all incaps.
@@AnAdoringFan ok so most
best by you ive seen, love this
its because of the shadow dance, shadow dance is making you act as if stealthed so shadowstrike IS being used behind the target? if you dont shadow dance, it wont happen?
Does earth ele’s earthquake or warriors aftershock, them being knock downs, (maybe warstomp too, I’ve never played as cow) cause a DR on anything? Or is it completely separate, type of ability? (probably some other things that don’t come to mind as well). Thanks for the sheep/spell steal info, I didn’t know about that (I assume hex as well). Can anyone point me to a good, more in-depth source? it would be much appreciated.
Sorry for the ignorance, I’ve only recently started pvp’ing (apart from occasional unorganised bgs).
I knew about the shadowstrike going through evasion thing, but that's because I think either Palumor himself or maybe Skill-capped put out a video about it on their YT
tyyyy
:O so that's why taunts sometimes doesn't work in raid!!! I knew of diminishing return. What I usually do is that when I play with a new class I take a quick look with google to find what spells dr with what from my toolkit.
all stealth abilities go through defenses (chep, ambush garrote, shadowstrike, sap). you can cheap evasion, die by the sword, whatever
I actually hate this about WoW; so much info is just not documented anywhere. There is a huge opportunity to make a full video guide about stuff like this because no one seems to have done it.
its players knowledge
I mean, this is kind of the only format that actually works. When you are a new player you don’t know what you don’t know, and if you present too much at the beginning people click past the tutorial cause they are overwhelmed.
You probably hate so many things.
It's part of the player skill to figure out things. If you can't or just don't want to, there are other ways. If you don't want to use these ways, nothing gonna help anyway.
here's your big moment mate! make that video
Great vid
Does shadow strike/cheap shot go through die by the sword?
I made a weakaura for the tab target changing addon for people on classic TBC, it's called PVP Tab target change on wago, can't post links
I have no clue about retail but any *requires stealth* ability since vanilla can go through evasion bro..
Actually all stealth abilities can't be dodge/parried/blocked. They can only miss due to not being hit cap. (speaking vanilla wise at least)
Imagine someone invisible in real life strikes you, catching you off guard. Could you dodge/parry that? xD
My friend who has been playing for around 10 years now only just learnt a few weeks ago that q and e strafe
I highly doubt that, how do you not accidentally press Q and E
idk how u don’t use q and e as different keybinds in pvp
@@AmazinglyGayPhil When i told him while explaining my keybinds he said no thats impossible i would have pressed it by accident. then we went into game and he checked and was mindblown
@@Ali-cr9ex I use a s and d as different ones and qwe to move.
For the tab targeting thing, I use tab for player and capslock for all enemies instead of changing the bind every time I go from pvp or pve. I primarily pvp but if I'm doing world content during ques, I dont have to worry about switching
There’s an addon…
Look into the addon Retabbinder 👍🏻
what is that asmr keyboard you are using? it sounds really nice.
Using spells like garrote , rapture at a 90 degree angle from the enemy model doesnt break cc also is a cool not known thing that is in the game and you can maximize your damage after blind/saps.
Yeah garrote/rupture to the side is insane and I don't see a lot of rogues who know about it. It saves you like 2 globals before your kidney on assassination rogue.
the 90 degree angle just makes you unable to melee the guy since ability usage FoV is 180 degree and melee is like 120 degree so there's some areas where you can still use abilities on your target but cannot autoatack them; garrote, cheapshot/rupture are all abilities that initiate autoattacks, none of them deal instant damage that's why you can use garrote and rapture in sap if you disable your autoattacks.
So does shadowstrike/cheap shot go through parry too? Considering one can't parry from behind
Yes. Any avoidance cooldown. Evasion, Blur, Parry, etc. - just nothing that makes you immune, such as bubble/block/turtle
so dr's stack up until I wait 18 seconds for them to clear? the 18 second timer starts with first full cc of given category or after last used (shortened) spell?
The 2nd one. The spell will diminish duration each time used and the 18s DR timer will reset each time.
to clarify: the 18sec timer starts when the cc ENDS on the target, whether the duration is over, they trinketed, whatever. the timer will reset back to 18 seconds if another instance of cc on the same DR ends on the target. Only after the target has been FREE FROM cc on that DR for 18sec is the DR reset.
if you press W you can walk forwards if you didnt know
what addon makes his ui look like that? when he opened omnicd 4:48
Heyyy Xaryu, guys here!
omg ty for retabbinder u saved us all!
the roleplaying explanation is that abilities used from stealth are unable to be dodged, because of obvious reason (it's a surprise attack, so you cannot evade it). It still makes no sense for it to work on shadowdance, since you attacks are observable
This is exactly what I was thinking. If this is an ability normally used from stealth then perhaps it is coded so that it cannot be evaded for the reasons you have said. Then when there is a suddenly a method for using it while not in stealth we have a "bug"--an unintended consequence caused by extending the functionality of existing code.
@@adamgrey268 well i would leave it as it is, since it's only sub rogues that have this power. What I would do is make shadowdance totally invizible and not break stealth, more or less like a cloud smoke attacking you.
I didn’t know about the tab target think that’s insane
what keyboard does Xar use?
good video. thanks
Another thing I recently learnt is that you have to land ring of fire on an enemy as you would land a ring of frost, had no idea and complained why it never did any damage 😂😂
They can run into your ring of frost after it's casted and still be frozen
I bought AG1 and my rating improved in a few hours.
Does cheapshot go through DH evasion dosge thing?
Stealth abilities cannot be dodged or parried, I did know this for the longest of times. Which is what made me so mad on my feral druid when they removed pounce and ravage and 'baked them in' empowered shred and rake. I suddenly had to just sit duck against rogues, dh and warriors instead of being able to shadowmeld pounce.
Stormbolt also goes through evasion idk if that’s common knowledge or not
"Cheap shot lands no matter what" - Kinda funny because I play rogue as a main since classic, in fact, I already had 4 level 60 rogues in classic and even got more since TBC and ONE of these rogues missed and still misses cheap shot quite frequently. Even blizz support back then told me it's a bugged character. I've missed rank 1 glad in s4 because of that bug. Bet you didn't know that. xD
Any footage of it happening? Id like to see
Miss is not the same as dodge and parry.. abilities still relied on hit for thr first few expansions. Certain classes and races have a higher chance yo be missed too (night elf, talents for some classes, defense rating)
It hit's through evasion when you are shadow dancing only prbly because you can use stealth abilities so it hits from behind...my guess
It’s just the stealth part. The behind part is moot. Maybe the code just registers as it as behind but you don’t literally have to be behind.
Most of this stuff i only learned because in Wrath you could cheap shot a hunters deterence and stand behind them to completely mitigate the cooldown. Before i knew that i constantly lost to hunters in 2's.
Wtf
@@Xxhermitxxrs yeah cuz deterrence used to work like warriors Dy By the Sword or Evasion, you could get hit from behind. Warrior's overpower also goes through that.
@@Fr33mx crazy i had no idea. good game knowledge, both of you.
@@Xxhermitxxrs pretty sure it was common knowledge back then.
Damn dude. I didn’t know the tab target thing. Damn! I was getting really annoyed with unholy DK and demo lock
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My guy puts deep freeze in the DRs, he’s so obsessed😂
Biggest tip no one is giving is how you visually see all your spells, the battle field. What the enemy casts. And etc.. have all the auras you want you guys never look at your action bars, and there is NO WAY you just memorize shit like that with GCD involved. THIS is why so many people cant win anything. You guys got something going on there.
As some one who just cam back to WOW after many years and had never done any PVP, I find the Honor/Marks and other PVP points and the different merchants confuse the hell out of me..
Shadow strike doesn't get dodged because technically you are in stealth and stealth abilities can not be dodged, cheapshot, garrote, swap, shadow strike , it's been this way since vanilla
Or get addon RETabinder which does the same thing but only in pvp zones. So u dont need to change keybinds.
You just saved my life with tab targeting
I think the complaint about poly AND ring of frost is that you can tank a kick on ring of frost then poly and reverse more so then it making cc chains even longer
It doesn't make cc chain longer, it just makes it easier to get cc chain off
@@maagi1 as in you can try to poly off a sap miss that then ring of frost therefore making the cc chain longer or having to spend 2 kicks
great vid, sharing is caring
you can interrupt with warlock pet then sacrifice pet and get 2 interrupts
Any attack from stealth ignores Dodge and Parry. You can kidney shot someone from stealth and it will never get dodged or parried.
Back when hit rating was a thing, you could miss an attack from stealth, just ignores defenses.
plz make more videos like this
Overpower from arms warrior goes through evasion storm bolt can be used on evasion too
Overpower is obvious no brainer but didnt know about stormbolt.
@@Xxhermitxxrs yup so just parry the rogues go with a fear leap los to heal with second wind. Drop war banner for the incoming cd pop all your cds he will evasion then storm bolt and kill
It says in the tool tip you strike through the shadows evasion is shadow
How do DRs work?
Shadow Strike goes through evasion because its an opener, Openers have always gone trough evasion.
I wish they would just merge incap and disorient DRs and tune classes around not needing to counter a temporary advantage scenario for 20-30 seconds or needing that scenario to kill (maybe reclassify shorter CCs?). I know people might be mad about no longer being able to stack CC chains, but I think it would make gameplay more dynamic and comps would get more diverse.
No just no
They tried that in WoD and it felt giga awful so they reverted it in Legion.
Before WoD there used to be "random" category that is a subcategory of DRs. Like there used to be random stuns such as rogue paralitic poison or charge/hunter pet stuns and many others. Gouge used to be an incap while Cyclone was a separate DR that didn't share it with anything. Hunter Scatter shot was also a "random incap" which didn't share DR with normal incaps like trap/poly/gouge. Yeah MoP was a shitshow of CC.
There's some weird interactions in this game.
Like monk fist of fury parrying everything, even the shaman's earthshatter or w/e its called (the line incap move)
But monks fist of fury can't parry cheap shot for some reason.
Nothing can parry or evade cheap shot. That's intended.
Idk why it would be weird to parry a melee attack. You could argue it's weird you can parry druids incap roar, that's valid.
Anyone knows how he heals him self without targeting him self? Macro? Keybinding? Ty
Every patch pvp becoming more and more overwhelming. It needs to be simplified.
so nice dope content
Its crazy to me that ppl wouldn't know about The right click camera thing
My goal this year be like u, in and out of game but the latin/dh version
Warlock has death coil?? Coulda swore it was mortal coil :D
I can't find the RETabBinder addon on curse forge :(
Just macro it. Bind your tab key to a macro with just the line, “/target enemy player”
I keep an unbound macro that does, “/target enemy” next to it and swap for pve and pvp like that.
Shadowstrike makes ur SHADOW hit from behind, cant be dodge. Even if your body stand in front
Thanks for getting this basic info out there for all the noobs. Now we can get some competition in arenas xD
Disorient and Incap looks same...why separate category?
i just want to make sure, none of this is the same for tbc/wotlk?
Doesn’t shadowstrike hit through bop to ?
No, it's physical damage immunity.
all the stealth abilities at one point required you to be behind the target. this includes the first introduction of cheap and sap in beta. I believe when blizzard changed the abilities so that they no longer required a rear positional they didnt bother to add the code that allowed them to now also be dodged. This seems to be consistent across the board and would make sense. So, now we have these weird hidden mechanics, but they are very cool.
fun to know about - not cool they exist
@@Rhodair there are many other weird interactions as well. For example (can’t confirm it’s still like this) but aspect of the turtle for hunter protects you from all incoming damage. Well, at least when it was first introduced in legion, that was true, but it only applied to the areas where the shield visibly is. So all around and above the hunter, but not underneath. This meant that things such as ret paladins blade of justice would go through aspect of the turtle. Again idk if that still works, but I remember it being an interesting interaction.
Why does blazing barrier make you able to blink a stun?
It doesn't. Blink can be used while stunned. If you take Shimmer, your Blink spell is replaced by the spell Shimmer, which can't be used while stunned.
Have you ever even thought about how shadow strike can teleport you to the back of a target? What about the animation? Hell even the toolkit says it.. evasion even gives you a clue by saying but cant dodge from behind lol
it hits because its a strike...from the shadows, you cant evade what u cant see :P
You can’t dodge abilities from stealth. Hard to dodge what you can’t see coming ig
It took 18 years to have only 1 speaks about PVP basic tips no one talks about.
heeey guuuys, r u here?! love it everytime🙃
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Whats hard to understand about Shadowstrike. It literally says in the tooltip that you appear behind your target and hit him. In shafowdance you are considered to be in stealth, so every shadowstrike counts as you are behind you target. Getting hit from behind cant be dodged. Easy as that.
I came here to say this lol
Shits spelled out in the tooltip as simple as could be lol
Why doesn't it teleport you behind while in Shadowdance though
Wait, did people really not know you can turn with right click?
If you hold right click, your right and left turn keys now become strafe! 😮you just got two new free keybinds!
That is so absurd LOL
Do this for WoTLK! Mage and Rogue.
Does cheapshot go through fade?
Nope, until any cast
no, because Gfade is a special case that acts like a Freedom but for damage and negative effects in general. They can't be stunned at all, so even though cheap shot can't miss it can't stun them.
Cheers thanks for the info