"There are no homosexual members of the church" -David A Bednar, February 23, 2016
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- "There are no homosexual members of the church" -David A Bednar, February 23, 2016
Questions and answers with Elder David a. Bednar, of the quorum of the twelve, 23 February 2016
How can they make homosexual members of the church to live and remain steadfast in the gospel?
English text has been added to the transcript and CC.
His comments are taken out of context. What he is saying is that there are no homosexual members, just like there are no heterosexual members, there are just members. The church does not distinguish people based on sexual orientation, race, or anything else. We are all children of God, and all members of the church are viewed in the same category, we are all just members
Umm. No? There's nothing out of context here.
The gist of this was: 'Homosexuals are wrong, we still "love" you, but you're wrong'
+Brian Anderson Then shouldn't ALL God's children be treated the same and be expected to abide by the same rules?? LGBT members are *NOT* treated the same in Mormonism. THEY must remain celibate FOR *LIFE*!!--even if they are legally married...AND they MUST renounce their homosexual parents!! Quite a "family oriented" church you've got going there!
No we are all sons and daughters of heavenly father.. That (homo and hetro) whichever way you wanna look at it.
I agree. We don't say I am a North American Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, etc. Every person on the Earth or who ever has or will be, is a son or daughter of Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother. If we become a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, then we are classified that way, but not any other. Jesus Christ invited everyone to come unto Him and be perfected.
@@daveyjones9930
Legal marriage isn't God's marriage is the difference you have skipped over that difference.
I see where your point is made though...
If a "God's marriage" of such legal marriages status's change's then you would be correct 💯.
We had a Civil marriage, then a "God's marriage" in the Temple at the same time.
Prayer's for all you love, in Heaven, answers will come for you all.
I speak Spanish as a second language. The translator is incredibly skilled. His translation was superb. I wish I could do that.
I agree. It was a little condescending of him to say, “I need this translation to be perfecto.” Like, I think the translator has got it.
NaDopros Do you know the translator personally?
That's what I was thinking. Fabuloso
Gift of tongues.
As a translator/interpreter, I can say that interpretation is a spiritual gift. When performed in accordance with the Holy Spirit, translation/interpretation can be truly beautiful and satisfying.
Excellent video. Elder Bednar nails it as always.
It’s important to remember Satan calls us by our sins or weaknesses. God calls us by our name. The adversary will want us to identify as any and everything besides a child of God.
I hate how you bigots try to use excuses like these, you are just a homophobe, just admit it, you are a coward by pretending like a god justifies your beliefs
I think it's a profound and beautiful response. Of course he doesn't believe people are born irreversibly homosexual. The LDS religion is fundamental Christian, and he answered accordingly. Those who dissagree should be as respectful as he was, instead of name calling.
You are so confused about what others believe. This was a video that testified that we are children of a God who loves us.
+Diane Bash Yeah, let’s all respect a man who erases the identity of LGBT people so he doesn’t have to address the fact that his church’s anti-LGBT policies and stances push young Mormons into committing suicide.
Totally a guy worthy of my respect.
+IloveChrist2 Actually the wording you put isn't quite right. It is posted that a child with gay parents can't receive the ordinances until they are 18 years of age and is moved out of their parents house. This is simply because most gay parents tend not to believe in religion. So it could potentially create contention and conflict between the child and the parents if the child wanted to join the church and receive those ordinances. Therefore it makes sense on why they are to wait til they are 18 years old. Because that is when they can legally make up their own decisions in life without the parents being able to say no and forbid them from joining the church.
@IloveChrist2 do have any proof ? For that.
@@StoneStephenTSorry this is so late lol. It’s been over 7 years and I still can’t find the part where he erased anyone’s history. It seems to me that instead of dividing people and creating conflict out of nothing which is what so many activists love to do, he United in word, all of God’s children regardless of sexual orientation. There is no division than what we create ourselves. And I think your real concern is the lack of acceptance that there is nothing wrong with acting on homosexual thoughts and feelings. The Lord can not look upon sin with the least degree of allowance. Hence the need for Christ’s atonement. If we allow sin through the fallacy of loving understanding to be ignored and brought in, why stop there? The next question could be, “how do minor attracted person’s serve in the church and prepare to receive the blessings of the temple?” It is absurdity but all it takes is tolerance and we’re lost.
People should calm. Before you react on the title of this video, better hear what he said first before you show your attitude. Peace.
+Nichols Mayol If you know Mormons and MormonISM, as I do, you already *KNOW* what's coming out Bednar's pie hole. It's regurgitated BS!
+Nichols Mayol I listened to the whole thing. Twice. Which was almost cruel and unusual torture. This man has no love in him. Even his wife looked pained at the ridiculous tripe he is spouting. He is not of God.
Thank you! Bless you!
I CAN'T HANDLE THIS STATIC ANY MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And please, stop being cruel. Some of the comments below this are sickening me. We are better than this.
Satan is a liar who appears as an angel of light just as he did to Joseph Smith. Jesus said in the end times there will be many false christs. Mormons worship a false christ. We are all sinners God came to earth in the person of Jesus Christ to pay the penalty for our sin on the cross. Joseph Smith was deceived.
This was just wonderful!!! Elder Bednar explained so beautifully.how we are each sons and daughters of God and we are not labeled by our inclinations. Just wonderful, wonderfull!!! We may act or react according to our own desire. Hopefully we will follow the example of Christ and endure to the end in righteousness.
Got to hand it to you. I do not agree with the Mormon doctrine. I'm a Christian, but this was true, and well done! Only exception the eternal sealing, but that wasn't the point.
Thank you so much youve explained that perfectly i hope people members and non members alike take these words of wisdom and act upon it .
There are no gay members or gay people. Only people who decide to act on same-sex attraction. Elder Bednar explains this in his talk. It is a great listen.
We are all primarily defined by our relation to God as His sons and daughters. Gender is an essential characteristic of pre-mortal, mortal, and eternal identity.
I am sorry to hear of your bad trauma. Sometimes when something like this happens especially in your case the first thing that we think of is to blame god. .Its hard to be failthul after a terrible ordeal like this but God did not want your child to suffer any more than he had to thats why he gave him the releif of taking him to that the child could have peace and comfort . ask yourself the question if the child had of lived would the quallity of life be the same or would the child suffer more with the ongoing traumas of continued living..it really is not the church to be faithful to its the gospel this is set to determine what happens to us and when it will happenunfortunately we have no choise when we are to pass on or how we are dto do it this is predetermined ...plese be comforted by the wonderful knowledge that you will see your child once again in the Spiritual kingdom and live with them again Your child is not in pain or suffering they are inpeace waiting for you they would want you as god does to continue on leading a rightseous life so that at the end you will be worthy to meet god and your ancesters and your child again..Trusting that you find the strength to stay faithful God bless you all.
What is this gentleman talking about? Salt Lake City has one of the largest annual same sex pride parades and festivals in the U.S.A. So this guy is talking out of his ass. The Gay Mormons that are having same sex sexual activities are not in a state of Grace. However, there are gay and lesbians that are members of the Mormon Church. I speak Say Spanish and the gentleman spoke in a perfect mode for being translated and the translator was dead on correct.
"We are not defined by sexual attraction." "We are sons and daughters of God with different challenges in the flesh."
Brilliant
I keep looking for a satisfying answer from the church and this one didn’t work for me. I’m an active member and it frustrates me because these answers don’t really address the real issue here. He obfuscates the real issue by reframing the question, and then skirts the issue and talks about love and what a sin is (Homosexuality etc).
For example, he says that people aren’t defined by their sexuality, but then says that marriage between a man and woman are central to the plan of God. Ok so where does that leave someone who’s attracted to the same gender? The church also teaches that sexual union between partners is a purpose and to be experienced in and of itself, so how do we reconcile that with a gay person? They just drew a short lot and don’t get to have that? They can serve the church but not experience the living union of a spouse or partner? Why? Why would God do that? If God has a plan, where does a homosexual fall into that plan? People who simply get to serve the church and be celibate all their life? Does that ring true to you? He does such a great job of dancing around the issue. For once I’d like to hear a church leader deal with this head on. Maybe the answer is just “we’re not sure”. Maybe the answer is “we’ll know more in the future?” Something honest. But this issue is going to continue to fester in the church and it isn’t going to go away. In Utah Idaho AZ, they’re fine but that’s going to change too. In liberal areas young people are going to have real issues with the church’s discrimination.
@@tubytootoo When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. God said, "Neither Adulterers, Fornicators, Homosexuals, liars, thieves, gossipers, murderers, blasphemers, revilers, or idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven". God set down laws, teachings & judgments depicting what was allowed & forbidden. Man was told to 'choose' whom he would serve between good or evil. Sin is not OF God, but sin is OF evil; evil will not be allowed in Heaven. God put his laws into every man's heart, therefore, everyone born 'knows' good from evil. Christ's entire purpose was to remove man's sin nature by teaching him how to stop thinking, speaking & acting AS it is in Hell, & start living AS it is in Heaven by changing his thoughts, words & actions according to the laws of Heaven. When man rejects God & his teachings, he's 'choosing' to embrace the forbidden evils of the world. It's impossible for God to create a man AS an abomination, attach an unforgiveable sin, then not allow him into Heaven. "Impossible"! Man is not "born hated by God". Man "chooses" to think, speak, & act as sins that are hated & forbidden by God. This is God's world with God's rules. The laws of Heaven will never accept sin, nor give "equality" to sinners that has been ordained only for the righteous. The purpose of a life is to know, love & serve God, not Satan.
@@tubytootoo God said, "Homosexuals, Adulterers, Fornicators, Murderers, Thieves, Liars, Gossipers, Blasphemers, Revilers, nor Idol Worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven". What kind of world would we live in if these sinners formed individual groups, designed flags, participated in parades advertising their crimes, organized groups in gov't. for the purpose of changing laws to make their crimes acceptable, adopted innocent children, taught them how to murder, steal, lie etc.? It would be a lawless world like Sodom. On different levels all this has already happened.
@@beantrader4723 tell me where this is written that God said that? I can’t find it, for one.
For two, explain to me why God, who created man in his image, would create a man with homosexual desires, and then tell him that’s a sin but the other people he created with hetero desires, that’s not a sin (sorry for the double standard). So for this one select group to act on the desire to bond physically with a companion is actually a sin. Sorry I created you like that but, you know, deal with it I guess.
@@beantrader4723 also your comment is all over the place. Homosexuality isn’t a crime? Where’d you get that? Yes the church considers it a sin…but…why? Also, where are you getting that a gay couple teach their children crime? The church itself admits that homosexuality is something that you’re born with.
Can you have a rational conversation about this, or only a conversation that repeats platitudes that are inherently double standard and problematic?
And this is what apostles are here for. Thank you Lord.
What a clear, loving answer to a difficult question…thank you Elder Bednar!
In the same conversation, Bednar explained that his statement meant that people should not be defined or labelled by the nature of their sexual attractions. "Simply being attracted to someone of the same gender is not a sin. There are many members of the Church who may have some manifestation of that attraction. They honor their covenants, they keep the commandments, they are worthy. They can receive the blessings of the temple and they can serve in the Church. It is when we act on the inclination or the attraction-that's when it becomes a sin. So, the reason I began my answer as I did, is that in this question, the word "homosexual" was used to describe or label a member of the Church. It's an inaccurate label. We are sons and daughter of God and we determine how to respond to the variety of challenges we experience in mortality through the proper exercise of our moral agency."
@Tyler G I whole heartedly agree.
Beautiful response! Make sure to listen to the whole response.
When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. God said, "Neither Adulterers, Fornicators, Homosexuals, liars, thieves, gossipers, murderers, blasphemers, revilers, or idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven". God set down laws, teachings & judgments depicting what was allowed & forbidden. Man was told to 'choose' whom he would serve between good or evil. Sin is not OF God, but sin is OF evil; evil will not be allowed in Heaven. God put his laws into every man's heart, therefore, everyone born 'knows' good from evil. Christ's entire purpose was to remove man's sin nature by teaching him how to stop thinking, speaking & acting AS it is in Hell, & start living AS it is in Heaven by changing his thoughts, words & actions according to the laws of Heaven. When man rejects God & his teachings, he's 'choosing' to embrace the forbidden evils of the world. It's impossible for God to create a man AS an abomination, attach an unforgiveable sin, then not allow him into Heaven. "Impossible"! Man is not "born hated by God". Man "chooses" to think, speak, & act as sins that are hated & forbidden by God. This is God's world with God's rules. The laws of Heaven will never accept sin, nor give "equality" to sinners that has been ordained only for the righteous. The purpose of a life is to know, love & serve God, not Satan.
What a wonderful and straightforward answer to a question asked over and over in our day and age. Thank God for living Prophets and Apostles who can speak directly on important subjects and give clear direction to help us live the Gospel of Christ and learn to be more like the Savior and our Heavenly Father.
I know right?, what a shame he is a bigot. "There are some things we do not accept or Tolerate. We love all people with whatever challenge any person faces. So we do not discriminate, and we are not bigots."
Definition of bigot: "a person who is obstinately or Intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance" Lmao!
the quick sound bite is much deeper and expansive than those 8 words. people rally to dispel labels and see past them, but then cling to them and fight over them. here is a man actually dismissing labels and people dismiss him as being a bigot. how ironic.
Agreed. His bigotry is much deeper and expansive than those 8 words.
Surprise! it's 2020 and people get to choose how to define themselves! When you're white and male and have tons of money and power and STRAIGHT and you try to tell people how they're defined (instead of letting them choose, and the person chose when they submitted the question) that's called systematic oppression!! WAKE UP PEOPLE! Bednar can't croon about how we're agents and not objects while claiming that the Holy Ghost whispered in his ear that homosexuals don't exist, therefore every LGBTQ or sexual and gender minority person is wrong in saying who they are. The apostolic calling DOES NOT trump each human's spiritual connection. Apostles and prophets HAVE BEEN WRONG SO MANY TIMES!!!! The way the church treats LGBTQ ppl these days is the EXACT SAME way that they treated people of color prior to 1978!!!! Why can't people see that???????????
How many people watched the whole thing? The title they chose is (perhaps intentionally) misleading. He explains why he rephrased the question -- his whole basis is that we are defined first by our identity as children of God, and that the world carries homosexuality as a label, but the Church does not.
He was NOT claiming that there are no "gay" members of the church. It's a church, and as a body or group of like-minded individuals, it's allowed to set parameters of what being a full and active member entails. Why does this give anyone the invitation to attack them for their belief? Nowhere in this video was it advocated that Mormons should insult or ignore people (fellow members or otherwise) who are or aren't "gay" or align with a homosexual orientation. NOWHERE. People may do that, and in such cases it is a poor but true example of human weakness to physically treat our fellow man poorly. But I have every right to disagree with you, or you, or you and so forth and to publicly say so without automatically being lumped in as a bigot.
If I align with democratic views, and have registered to the Democratic Party, I am quite literally prohibited from voting Republican in key elections. I am a dentist. I am required to keep certain standards and perform certain requirements to keep a license in both local and federal agencies. I can disagree with those requirements and even ignore them if I choose, but the consequences mean I risk losing membership in those organizations and possibly my right to perform certain functions. It is what it is, but when it comes to religion, and the way people believe, we like to pretend it's a *completely* different scenario, when functionally, it is not.
I also find it ironic that, regardless of whether you support or agree with religion A, B, or C, people can sit on a moral high horse while decrying another's views or words or even their actions with profanity and insults. As if they haven't just committed hypocrisy by defaming another for doing what they perceive to be the same thing. No wonder we don't evolve as a society too quickly -- it's not because of those groups, like in this situation, the Mormons who are "crazy" or "racist" or "bigoted"... It's because that for all our talk of true progression and acceptance, we can neither fully tolerate or accept those that we perceive to be behind the times. And that is why we are still where we are.
+Adam Borgia Actually by Bednar's logic there are no heterosexual members of the church either, them being not defined by their sexuality and all. That point aside, he does say that members of the church should be loving but in the same breath says there are somethings they can't tolerate or accept. Definition of bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance. So one out of two isn't bad, he says to love but not tolerate. How can you not be called a bigot if you can't tolerate someone else just because they're different, even if they did "choose" to act in a way the church or "God" doesn't like? And no the title isn't misleading because it's exactly what he said.
I would put forward that one can be loving without accepting or tolerating the actions of another that preclude them from participating in the same practices as you. By religious historical logic, Christ loved everyone -- I don't know of anyone who would really refute that -- but he certainly didn't condone everything that everyone did, and when he asked them to follow him and they declined, he allowed them to be the ones who left. God draws the line in the sand, and we are the ones who move closer to or farther from it.
You must also remember that Elder Bednar reinforced what has always been Mormon doctrine, and that is that the belief of God ordaining marriage and relationships to be between a man and woman, and that union is integral to His plan laid out in scripture and church doctrine alike. So the argument of "if homosexual Mormons don't exist, then heterosexual Mormons don't either" doesn't hold up in the entire context of what Elder Bednar presented, nor with what my point was in the above commentary.
Also, a quote can be misleading when taken out of context. The demotion is completely accurate, but the connotation of the phrase IS misleading, and the proof of that is visible in the comments section of people's reaction to what that quote sounds like versus what was truly said comprehensively that one would know by watching the video.
Sorry I meant denotation, not demotion as was erroneously autocorrected.
+Adam Borgia Yeah, I know full well of the doctrine and what Bednar said reinforcing it. That still doesn't take away the fact that he said members of the church shouldn't be defined by sexuality so we can conclude that they shouldn't be define themselves as heterosexual either. Or is just a man and a woman having sex that actually exists and only they can define themselves by that? Oh yeah, because that's the only "legitimate" sexuality *Heavy sarcasm*
As for Christ being loving but also intolerant of certain things, I can agree. By the definition I provided in my previous comment it seems like Bednar, Christ, and all of the mormon religion are one half bigot (although some skip the loving part making them a full bigot).
I can also agree with the title being taken out of context and people not watching it. However if you did watch it you know enough that the title does summarize the video pretty well.
Moroni - "And now, if I have no authority for these things, judge ye; for ye shall know that I have authority when ye shall see me, and we shall stand before God at the last day. Amen."
the translation is almost perfect, who is the interpreter?
Learned Spanish on my mission. This translator is miraculously skilled-absolutely remarkable.
Estoy de acuerdo. Servi en Mexico hace 40 anos. Entendi casi todas las palabras en Espanol. Yo soy un Gringo viejo con poco pelo.
Thank you for helping me understand the LDS Faith's stance on this. This statement is very reasonable and full of hope that we can all be the best people we can be as we try to overcome temptations--whether those temptations include same-sex marriage or not. Because God surely only wants the best for us!!
+Mackenzie Piper This is not the LDS stance, it is the stance of some, including this man. What he says here does against our doctrine. I'm sorry that you had to see the ugly face of human bigotry gised as religion. Mormonism's doctrines are the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and (for the LDS Mormons) the Pearl of Great Price. There are other Mormon faiths with other holy books, but the Bible and the Book of Mormon are what all of these faiths have in common. In the Bible we are taught not to sell our bodies for sex (Old Testament) and for straight men not to have sex with other men, it says nothing about men naturally attracted to other men. So, Jesus didn't teach the bigotry that David Bednar is teaching here. To be fair though, there are other Christian churches teaching the same bigotry this man is spouting. They too have been deceived. So it's not just a "Mormon" problem. The devil is trying to get all mankind to hate, rather than have Christlike love of one another.
+Dave Ferriman this is most definitely the LDS stance...
+Mackenzie Piper
I am a Mormon, and I am gay. Today I was extremely depressed with the same question that Elder Bednar was asked. After this video, I am even more distraught. Why? Because nothing Elder Bednar said is any news to me. I know I am a child of God first, but to say that labeling me as gay is wrong just hurt me to my core. Today I saw a potential future with a couple of guys, as in there is a possibility I could date and maybe find a spouse. But instead of doing what most straight people do when they see a potential date, I crushed those thoughts into the ground, probably the 10th time I did that this week. Being a member of the church means that I fight all feelings of love and potential romantic feelings. And I get so exhausted.
Most people can live their lives knowing that even if the gospel wasn't true at least they will have a happy life, I cannot say the same. I am depressed, have anxiety attacks, and have contemplated suicide, all because I feel I cannot stand to come home alone every night, to never have kids and to die alone in a nursing home, no matter what I do in this life.
And Chruch rarely helps to strengthen me, especially the lessons on how I need to be dating and how great married life and having kids is. Instead of feeling invigorated I feel alone, and rightfully so, when Elder Bednar says there are no Gay Mormons he makes it seem like as soon as I realize that I am a child of God all of these feelings will magically vanish...
A better question for Elder Bednar and even you, if you were called to a life of celibacy how would you strengthen your relationship with God?
+Mackenzie Piper Wow - I'd begun to lose my faith in humanity's ability to understand a thoughtful and attenuated position (whether you agree with it or not). You just restored some of my hope in 21st century humanity's ability to think!
+Aly Benson Not to mention Bill Schneobelen and how he claims that the church is a lot like what he experienced in satanism. Then there are the upside down stars all over the visitors center and the nauvoo temple, the all-seeing eye on the sl temple, the christus statue depicted in the visitors center as casting a shadow on earth, I could literally go on and on...
Satan wants God’s children to label themselves as anything OTHER than children of God.
Religious organizations that use brainwashing techniques want people to think "children of god" with association to the cult they are part of, is the only label available to a human, when a human can be many things and open to having many labels.
even Peter eventually was crucified because he taught what people didn't want to hear. It's no different today. But it still needs to be taught, whether people like it or not.
i'm not mormon but this guy well responded
well, he is an apostle..that itself speaks something, right?
@Mike Its called Lying for the lord. Its ok if you are being deceptive if you are doing it for god.
@@whitehanzocould the statement “I’m not Mormon but..” also speak for something? Like maybe not quite understanding what your taking for granted it seems? I could be wrong.
“If our goal is to be tolerant of people who are different than we are, Chase, then we really are aiming quite low. Traffic jams are to be tolerated. People are to be celebrated.” -Glennon Doyle
And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
_Moroni 10 : 04_
He’s talking in terms of social tolerance. The “tolerance” people are supposed to have for each other. Not talking about people in the terms of that quote.
That's exactly right!
Of course, you don't celebrate confusion or mental disease, but you do most certainly celebrate people in all their glory and potential, not in their sins or laziness.
When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. God said, "Neither Adulterers, Fornicators, Homosexuals, liars, thieves, gossipers, murderers, blasphemers, revilers, or idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven". God set down laws, teachings & judgments depicting what was allowed & forbidden. Man was told to 'choose' whom he would serve between good or evil. Sin is not OF God, but sin is OF evil; evil will not be allowed in Heaven. God put his laws into every man's heart, therefore, everyone born 'knows' good from evil. Christ's entire purpose was to remove man's sin nature by teaching him how to stop thinking, speaking & acting AS it is in Hell, & start living AS it is in Heaven by changing his thoughts, words & actions according to the laws of Heaven. When man rejects God & his teachings, he's 'choosing' to embrace the forbidden evils of the world. It's impossible for God to create a man AS an abomination, attach an unforgiveable sin, then not allow him into Heaven. "Impossible"! Man is not "born hated by God". Man "chooses" to think, speak, & act as sins that are hated & forbidden by God. This is God's world with God's rules. The laws of Heaven will never accept sin, nor give "equality" to sinners that has been ordained only for the righteous. The purpose of a life is to know, love & serve God, not Satan.
I like that he brings up agency. Agency seems to be a forgotten principle in today's world. "Do whatever you feel like" is the mantra of the world. What kind of place would the world be if we all followed our base, carnal, animalistic desires? The beauty of being human is the ability to exercise self-discipline, to act upon PRINCIPLE rather than just on base desires and appetites. A certain behavior may feel natural to you, but that doesn't mean it's good for you. Each person must decide for himself what principles he will live by in order to maximize his happiness and the happiness of those around him. Then he must commit to live them and honor his commitment.
Agreed. Agency goes out the window as soon as I start to blame others for my mistakes. Lack of personal responsibility may be the root of everything that is wrong with the world today... Well said!
Well, you choose to be Mormon, you certainly don't have to be; how is that any different? Hopefully in 6 years you've matured on these issues and are embarassed about thinking this way!
This makes me want to throw up.
Go ahead, it won't kill you
same
just the fact that he compared being born with a body that isn’t fully functional to being attracted to people of the same sex... smh
@@savannawoods4376 He wasn't comparing the two. All he was doing was saying that people are not, in God's eyes, defined by their sexual attraction, heterosexual or homosexual, any more than a person with a disfunctional body is defined by their physical limitations. God sees all of his children the same and wants all of us to be happy, and be knows the way that we'll receive the most happiness, not just in this life but also in the next, is to keep his commandments.
Sorry that you misunderstood Elder Bednar's intentions here with this. He probably could have, and maybe should have, phrased it slightly differently, and the title should not be what it is, but I thought Elder Bednar did a great job explaining his point.
Bullaaarchy!!!! Full of crap. This guys poor wife looks deeeeeppply sad....Depressed.
I really enjoyed his answer. He is an Apostle of Jesus Christ.
I wonder if the translation was Perfecto enough for Bednar?
No homosexual Mormons? Homosexuality is "an inaccurate label"? By that logic we also have no blonde members, black members, or liberal members. Of course no one label can describe the whole of a person. All labels are inaccurate and incomplete, but that fact alone by no means invalidates it.
being gay isn't a "challenge" dealing with homophobes is the challenge
exactlyyyyyyy ahahhaha
Outstanding definition and delivery!
Su respuesta esta a la altura de lo que Pedro o Pablo hubiera respondido al respecto.......
Grateful for Prophets that are on the Earth!
Compliments to the translator; he's good.
When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. God said, "Neither Adulterers, Fornicators, Homosexuals, liars, thieves, gossipers, murderers, blasphemers, revilers, or idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven". God set down laws, teachings & judgments depicting what was allowed & forbidden. Man was told to 'choose' whom he would serve between good or evil. Sin is not OF God, but sin is OF evil; evil will not be allowed in Heaven. God put his laws into every man's heart, therefore, everyone born 'knows' good from evil. Christ's entire purpose was to remove man's sin nature by teaching him how to stop thinking, speaking & acting AS it is in Hell, & start living AS it is in Heaven by changing his thoughts, words & actions according to the laws of Heaven. When man rejects God & his teachings, he's 'choosing' to embrace the forbidden evils of the world. It's impossible for God to create a man AS an abomination, attach an unforgiveable sin, then not allow him into Heaven. "Impossible"! Man is not "born hated by God". Man "chooses" to think, speak, & act as sins that are hated & forbidden by God. This is God's world with God's rules. The laws of Heaven will never accept sin, nor give "equality" to sinners that has been ordained only for the righteous. The purpose of a life is to know, love & serve God, not Satan.
the ignorance
Sulpbot 3000 what do you mean
Very true that we're to act and not to be acted upon. We have the power within us to act and do what is right.
His argument is actually kind of interesting, if you'd listen to it. It's more along the lines of "we aren't defined by sexuality, we are more than physical attraction." At least, that's my interpretation. Maybe I'm wrong.
+incrediblejonas It's true, like I've commented several times on here, by his logic there aren't any heterosexual people in the church either.
His well crafted words boil down to :Gay people shouldn't date like us normies. Asshole!
James The reenlightened not sure how you came away with that...
I really like the point that we are not defined by sexuality.
That’s what he says, but that goes against doctrine taught in the temple and the proclamation to the family. If you’re homosexual your not defined by gender, but if you’re a man you’re defined by your gender as a priesthood holder... It doesn’t. This logic makes no sense to me.
ExMo here. I see what Bednar means about sex being sacred, although I don't necessarily completely agree with the conclusion. But how about a gay couple that doesn't engage in recreational sex. How about overpopulation, would if a god made more of his children gay to adopt orphans, to give those children a loving family. Why is gender so defining but sexuality isn't, other than the Book of Mormon says so. It is arbitrary lines in the sand. And yes, people do think differently and have different attributes, but that isn't because of gender, it is because they have had different life experiences. If we are defined by gender, how do we have complete free agency?
Elder Bednar is kind. He didn't condemn. "We are sons and daughters of God." I am grateful he referred to the Family Proclamation to the World.
ShNae Hancock If you truly believe this....you won't go to heaven. GOD is against Homosexuality simple as that. Anyone who tries to "kind" and not condemn it is not preaching the word of God.
Good Man- Tell that to Jesus, you know, the compassionate guy who forgives prostitutes and is kind to everyone, regardless of who they love.
SirNate And told her...GO AND SIN NO MORE. Everytime he forgave someone or healed someone
Good Man Yeah but he would be kind to everyone anyway. His love is/was unconditional.
SirNate Jesus is kind on earth but if anyone die living a sinful lifestyle..he will send that person to hell for eternity. That's what the gospel is all about
All this hate reminds me of how much hate the original 12 apostles received for preaching the gospel and explaining the doctrine of Christ. That doesn't mean that they were wrong. Jesus was crucified, being the only truly good and perfect man ever to exist. He told his apostles that" And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake.." Matt 10:22. So all the negative comments really don't damage my beliefs at all. The lds church has never been the "popular" church. A lot of people hate it actually because it "goes against" what most of the world's beliefs. But God said "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord." Isaiah 55:8
I agree 100% with you
I would agree with you, but the mormon church has changed along with the world as well. Blacks in the priesthood?
The original 12 apostles were Christians. They followed Jesus, not the Mormon religion.
Critique is not the same as hate. What does it say about you if you perceive any critique as hate?
I understand Elder Bednar's comment, but it just seems so terrible.
By his logic, I can say, "There are no depressed people in the church"
"There are no people with cancer in the church"
"There are no struggling members of the church"
"There are no people who want to smoke or drink alcohol in the church"
Saying that we are all children of God is correct, but is just mean when you don't acknowledge anyway for someone in that situation to come closer to God, or even acknowledge why it is so difficult to deny all emotional and romantic feelings for people I care about.
And the part at the end where he talks about how different women are don't help me one bit. I am not attracted to people of the same sex because I think it would be easier to marry a dude... I just have no feelings for women and have no emotional or romantic attraction to them when I date them (and I have tried many times)
So saying that not only do I need to figure out a way to help my potential wife understand I feel no attraction to her (Hugs, kisses, and simply holding hands are more of chores to me than a bonding moment, no matter how hard I try to not make that so) Now I have to figure out how to live with someone that is fundamentally different from me... so much that it will be more difficult.
This entire answer did nothing to help me on my path to staying in the church with these homosexual feelings... and it saddens me deeply...
Tyler G your a human being
I read every word you said
Do you have a good group of friends and family that value your well being and emotional balance ?
I have always been the black sheep of church and family and even in school
Tyler G. I am confused by your response. He is counting you as fully in the church. I would think that is comforting. He is acknowledging the existence of attractions. I hope you will endure to the end. Our Savior wants you here in His church.
@@Hamann9631 luckily I left the Mormon church. It is absolutely unforgivable that they tried to rob me of a life of love and fulfillment with my husband. Especially considering how racist the church was in the past.
YES There are, lots of them. :(
Hey why the anger? Have open mind and listen to the whole talk. We are not defined by colour, sexual orientation or something that differs us from God. You have a right to disagree but not to bully other people when their opinions differ..We are all human beings...show some kindness to all....
Most commenters clearly didn't listen to what he said and are simply responding to the title. Lazy haters.
Mark Milligan Only indoctrinated people or people that don't know the full history of the church are the ones who had believe in such nonsense. There are hundreds if not thousands of things a person could point to that shows just how fake this religion is.
“The education that comes between a man and a women, in a marriage ordained of God, is one of the richest blessings of this life.”
He also says “we are not bigots”. Bigotry is defined “ a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.”
Bednar did not make a conscious choice to be attracted to women. He was born that way. The science behind homosexuality very clearly demonstrates the same principle. Agency is not exercised. They are born with that attraction. They are genetically hardwired to be attracted to members of the same sex.
In the same lecture Bednar claims to be unprejudiced towards homosexuals and yet knowingly denies them “the richest blessing of this life” AND THE NEXT. Major glitch in the matrix brothers and sisters. Major glitch.
"Creates a hole" and "Creates a whole" - they sound the same, but have entirely different meanings.
I can’t imagine telling someone to be a lone
Thank you Elder Bednar for your willingness to address this heated and challenging topic. Whether you agree or disagree with these comments, there needs to be fertile ground for discussion. People who disagree with homosexual practices are no more bigots than those who disagree with religious practices. Either opinion, however, when driven to the extreme can appropriately be define as "bigotry." Neither Obama nor Bush were Hitler but the constant push by supporters of both sides to associate one or the other with Nazism shows a profound level or irrational thought and argument. I see this same trend from both sides on this topic. I've wrestled with this topic a lot and unfortunately many sources from both sides are extreme. I appreciate a calculated response even if I disagree.
Weird, because Mormons call people who dislike their religion "bigots" _all the time._ Maybe wanting people to suffer because of their sexual orientation _is_ bigoted.
@@swagner7767 It has nothing to do with what we want- it’s what the Lord wants and has commanded. Members of the church respect personal agency and will never cram down their will on someone else. God doesn’t do that either. He invites, teaches, and commands us to obey but he will never force us. His arms are extended and we must choose to come to Him.
@@brandongage709 "Members of the church respect personal agency and will never cram down their will on someone else." That's the biggest load of horseshit I've ever heard. Have you not heard of proposition 8? You know, the church-funded effort to legally prohibit gay marriage? Or maybe Utah's liquor laws? Mormons _love_ forcing everyone else to follow their rules, especially if it means hurting LGBTQ people. Either your leaders are bigots, or your _god_ is a bigot.
When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. God said, "Neither Adulterers, Fornicators, Homosexuals, liars, thieves, gossipers, murderers, blasphemers, revilers, or idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven". God set down laws, teachings & judgments depicting what was allowed & forbidden. Man was told to 'choose' whom he would serve between good or evil. Sin is not OF God, but sin is OF evil; evil will not be allowed in Heaven. God put his laws into every man's heart, therefore, everyone born 'knows' good from evil. Christ's entire purpose was to remove man's sin nature by teaching him how to stop thinking, speaking & acting AS it is in Hell, & start living AS it is in Heaven by changing his thoughts, words & actions according to the laws of Heaven. When man rejects God & his teachings, he's 'choosing' to embrace the forbidden evils of the world. It's impossible for God to create a man AS an abomination, attach an unforgiveable sin, then not allow him into Heaven. "Impossible"! Man is not "born hated by God". Man "chooses" to think, speak, & act as sins that are hated & forbidden by God. This is God's world with God's rules. The laws of Heaven will never accept sin, nor give "equality" to sinners that has been ordained only for the righteous. The purpose of a life is to know, love & serve God, not Satan.
Homosexual is a habit not a title he's saying
Wuau this is the best answer we can get about homosexuality whether you disagree with it or not. It is simple and straightforward and the sincere person can say nothing but it came from God.
Its not an answer at all.
The headline on Facebook is somewhat deceiving. I hope everyone will watch the full video to get the full message and meaning.
Which is?
Stay Strong America Homosexuals don’t exists according to the church Lamo.
The Heading is Interesting but the topic is really WE ARE NOT DEFINED BY SEXUAL ATTRACTION OR BEHAVIOR. We are sons and daughters of God. We all have different challenges in the flesh. We develope deep character or shallow because of our choices and agency. Physical limitations may happen at birth.
Through the atonement of Jesus Christ. We are agents not objects. We are to act and choose the variety of experiences. We choose according to the teachings of Christ. Attraction is not a sin. Honoring covenants and keeping commandments is the point not the tendency toward labling inacurately. We determine how we repond through exercise of our moral agency.
The world teaches tolerance. Some things we don't tolerate. Marriage between a man & woman is ordained of God. The family is central toward the Father's plan. That plan is halted in anything except a man & a woman. Don't let the voices of the world confuse you or lead in a different direction. Gender is an essential characteristic and essential purpose of immortal & mortal differences.
The talents of the female & male spirit sealed together creates a unity and oneness, whole that cannot be achieved any other way. Sometimes men and women get frustrated because of different ways of seeing things the same way. The education that comes with a God ordained marriage is Bednar's point illustrating God's plan. I've summarized this talk hopefully simply that comments will clarify the topic precisly so future comments are on topic.
Russian research on fetal development put some light on changes when a pregnancy is under stress. Hormones flooding a developing brain in the earliest stages may cause programing contrary to what the physical gender is. The research was done to clarify possibilities that there may be a developmental brain stress that a person is born with tendencies that affect gender attraction. Much research was done with women under severe stress who created children with gender confusion.
Study #2 Research by Dr. Fish, LDS counselor/psychologist from Cedar City Utah in his book on Gender attraction he describes how blessing and Priesthood authority has the capacity to remove demon possession that may be one cause of gender confusion.
I'm not saying this is the only solution. It is merely one man's thesis.
Consider being born that way is a possibility because of stress hormones as one possibility similar to any genetic inheritance but God creating it is no different than the mistaken idea that God created leprosy as a normal flesh. Future knowledge will reveal and heal our diseases in the millenium but for now we must love everyone unconditionally. If God wants to destroy a mistaken people in the Old Testament, its his world and he is mercifully in charge and all wise. He did destroy the people in the Bible and we're next according to prophesy.
We live in a fallen world and our challenge is to choose to follow our creator and return with honor. It's HIS plan. The latterdays are like the days of Noah whom God in his mercy destroyed. These fallen people are getting reeducated on the other side and God continues his plan of loving us inspite of our behavior. This problem is a repeat of Lot's day. His family left Babylon. Lot's wife=salt. Don't look back. Think before you defend this practice. Lot's wife is the metaphor of our day. A pillar of salt anyone?
Musta forgot bout Christstopherson’s brother 🤷♂️
The Church is ONE and she is inclusive of all races, genders, poor, rich, pretty and not so pretty, educated and not so educated, the handmaiden and the CEO, you name it and The Church is populated by them all! Lev 18:22 - A lot of alleged heterosexual men slip out of the sanctity of their marriage to a woman and do just what this verse tells them to not do since the verse is speaking directly to heterosexual men...and the same would be true for women, although Leviticus never deals with the woman who has sex with another woman. I've always wondered the reason for that absence. Further, there are too many other abominations listed that to pull one out and magnify it, is simply against the word of God, especially for the New Testament believers and for The Church. You cannot highlight one and shy from the rest of the law. For the law is one, not many. NOTE: Galatians chapter 3, the same writer Paul, clearly tells us that the Law was one Law, not many and not in parts, was written not to the Gentile but to the Jew and even they could not keep it. He mocked the Galatians for even trying to keep it. Messianic Jews will tell you (because I wrote to a group in the city I live in to find out) that some of the law was even written to different sects of the Jewish people and not to every Jew. So, please, those of you who keep using Leviticus as a ball bat against the LGBT people, stop lying to them. People who quote Romans 1:29-31 but completely disregard the whole setup that Paul used before making the declarations are doing a disservice to the The Church and to the public at large. Because verse 18-19 is where the context actually appears to begin and it says "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against ALL ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them." It DOES NOT single out any one group of people except to lump ALL of those who are ungodly and unrighteous into the same group to experience the wrath of God. Romans 1:21 lets us know why God is turning people over to their own lusts: "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened." NOTE: The people once KNEW God but they did NOT glorify him as God, they were ungrateful & unthankful and were selfish in their imaginations and their hearts became without light. Start now by placing God in his rightful place, acknowledging him as Lord of Lords and King of Kings, Creator of All and as the ONE true God. Romans 1:22 through 25 is VERY pointed and VERY CLEAR because it now tells us what brought them to this point. They became IDOL WORSHIPPERS and did so using their bodies between each other. They used sex as part of their idol worshippers. If you will recall, we know that they were having intercourse in order to have children and then to offer those children to their idols as part of their worship and submission to those gods. Paul told us what was happening PRIOR to his telling us how God was responding to their idol worship. Romans 1:26 through 32 includes a lot more than turning people away from their own NATURAL affection. No one ever seems to include the entire context so I will here. They read: "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." Neither a homosexual male nor a homosexual female have natural affection for the opposite gender. The NATURAL affection for them is toward same gendered people. Therefore they do NOT leave their natural affection UNLESS they are made to either by rape or by those telling them that we should marry a man/woman, lest we burn in hell. You know that happens all the time. More so in the past than nowadays. Never mind the fact that their desires are not toward their opposite gendered spouse, leading neither of them to be fulfilled as they should be. People are only confused because of wrong teaching and wrong teaching does not glorify God as God the Creator of all of us. God hasn't changed and neither has his word but our understanding of his word needs to be re-examined for he is merciful, loving and just in all of his ways. After the disciples suggested it is better to not marry, Jesus turned his attention to the subject of eunuchs and says, in Matthew 19:11-12 "For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it let him receive it." Note here that Jesus addresses 3 different types of eunuch. They are the one who is born that way (meaning w/o affection for the opposite gender), the one who is made so by men (castrated so they cannot engage in sex and then the one who remains celibate for the sake of the Kingdom of God (as an offering to God). Further, as we are told several times throughout the Word, God does not look upon the outward, neither is there any favoritism on his part toward humankind and in the Kingdom of God there is neither male nor female, bond nor free, etc. There are those who not have natural affection for the opposite gender but that does not mean that it is not a natural affection just because it is toward the same gender. Further, the body is simply a vehicle to transport us while on this plane and we are living souls. We will soon be changed and will be just like him for we shall see him as he is! Hallelujah! More on the eunuch: In Isaiah 56:4-7 (speaking of the last days), God speaks. "For thus says the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my Sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keeps the Sabbath from polluting it, and takes hold of my covenant; Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people." Those of us who have given our hearts and our lives to the God of Israel and follow his ways are part of the Kingdom of God. Our sacrifices are acceptable to God because the Lord's house is for ALL who will seek after him.One final tidbit: Don't forget it was the eunuchs who recognized Jezebel for who she was and threw her over the balcony to her death, themselves. It wasn't the prophets, priests or rabbis who did it. So, if you think for one minute that those of the Eunuch Nation who have been redeemed by the blood of the crucified Lamb do not play a part in the preparation of the Bride of Christ in these last days...I suggest you toss off the old and untrue teachings and begin to seek God for some revelation. Because by not accepting the fact that God is doing a new thing that was prophesied about in Isaiah thousands of years ago, you are missing out on understanding the interesting times that God has pre-ordained. God bless.
He wins the short hair contest today. He seems FUN
That is a load of horseshit! My twin sister Diane is a Mormon and she's bisexual.Celibacy is not a lack of attraction. I wish she's leave this horrible cult!
He’s a nut job.
“Forgive them Father, For they know not what they do”
Thank you Elder Bednar for linking the challenges of life to our eternal perspective.
It makes me sad to read the aggressive responses. It is okay to disagree but it is lame to throw with dirt.
+Michael Lehmann If he didn’t want dirt thrown at him, he shouldn’t act as if gay people don’t exist.
+Michael Lehmann You mean "throw dirt" like Joseph Smith did to Christians...calling them "the WHORE OF THE EARTH", the "Church of Satan" and "Babylon the Great"?? *THAT* kind of dirt? Was it wrong for Jesus to "throw dirt" at the Pharisees (Matt 23)? Bedfart was doing EXACTLY what you're accusing US of doing---throwing dirt on homosexuals. Uncalled for...especially from one claiming to follow Christ!!
+Michael Lehmann Hmmm, so by comparing people attracted to the same sex to shallow people and people with disabilities he's linked the challenges of life to our eternal perspective? Yeah, not so much.
@@StoneStephenT That's not what Elder Bednar said. He said to not define yourself by your sexuality.
@@StoneStephenT that’s not what he said. You know it, I know it, anyone who listened to this knows it. My goodness!
Excellent, excellent, excellent!!!
This response is exactly right, and totally true... my sexual preference is nobodys business, and neither is yours mine... it is a personal, private, issue. I do not understand why this deeply personal aspect of a persons identity has become the forefront of what someone declares his or herself to be... there is so much more to a person, and to life! I appreciate Bednars position, I support him totally.
Los apóstoles siguen hablando de inclinación al sexo opuesto, evitando la palabra homoxesual, les falta.mucho y loas importante reconocer a la membresia sid gay dentro de la iglesia.
"Simply being attracted to someone of the opposite gender is not a sin." People are not defined nor condemned by their natural attractions. So there are members of the church who are sexually attracted to the same sex, but make the challenging choice to resist those temptations. You have hear the whole explanation before jumping to conclusions.
+Brandon Garner
How would you make the decision to never date, love, or even flirt with people you care deeply and emotionally for? This answer really provides no guidance on how to live a life of celibacy and isolation...
+Tyler G time to find a new church that brings you happiness, acceptance and non-judgmental love. You can be happy and keep your religion too. Don't let the dinosaurs wearing blinders with closed hearts rob you of the life and happiness you deserve - openandaffirming.org
+Tyler G I am a gay mormon and I have chosen to live a life where I don't date. love or flirt. Yes I get lonely sometimes but I'm never alone and I'm certainly not isolated in any way.The gospel and the church gives plenty of guidance on how to live a life of chastity. If Joseph of Egypt could shun potiphar's wife then I too can shun immorality. There are many examples in the scriptures of good righteous men and women choosing morality over sin regardless of their sexual preference.
+Vaughan Hamilton To be honest you are the first Mormon I have known to be alright with their sexuality. Most I know are quite depressed (3), of those that are not depressed they are in homosexual relationships (9), of those that are neither depressed or entertaining homosexual relationships they have committed suicide (4).
I also have a hard time thinking that Joseph was in the same situation as I am in. He ran from potiphar's wife, but only because adultery is a sin. He eventually married and had kids.
Unlike Joseph, if someone I like comes up to me and asks to go on a date I must refuse and run like Joseph did, every single time, every single day, every single guy, with no hopes to stop running and it is exhausting.
How do you do it?
+Tyler G How many mormons do you know?
Horrible..horrible analogy... comparing the movements of a bottle of water, to homosexuality. What in the world was he thinking...
that wasn't the analogy at all. He explained the bottle was an object to be acted upon. We as humans are different from such object because we have the ability to act. We are not held captive by the inability to act for ourselves.
Jon Corbett except for the minor issue that a bottle of water cannot control who they are attracted to. It is an inanimate object. If a man is attracted to man, or a woman to a woman...there is nothing that you, me, or anyone else can do about it.
+ny_kia31 very true. there is nothing we can do about those feelings. They are what they are, but the choice to act on those feelings is up to us.
It's so wonderful to have a real Apostle of Jesus Christ to help us understand these complex issues! Thanks for the upload!
+Glen Ames It is nice to have men the hold the keys, but ask them some time if they've seen Jesus. They will tell you they can't say. Yet their calling as apostles it to testify that they have seen the risen Christ. There is no doctrine in Bednar's word, and Jesus would not agree with him. If he did, we'd have new revelation on the matter, as there is nothing in our doctrine to make homosexualty as sin, even if they practice. Does this man hold the keys of apostleship? Yes. Does that make what he is saying her correct? No.
+Dave Ferriman I guess you missed the point of what he was saying. He clearly stated that people don't define themselves by their homosexuality. We are all members of the Church and all have our own challenges and struggles. Watch it again.
+Glen Ames No, I missed the new scripture making homosexuality a sin. Mormonism's doctrines are the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and (for the LDS Mormons) the Pearl of Great Price. There are other Mormon faiths with other holy books, but the Bible and the Book of Mormon are what all of these faiths have in common. In the Bible we are taught not to sell our bodies for sex (Old Testament) and for straight men not to have sex with other men, it says nothing about men naturally attracted to other men. So, Jesus didn't teach the bigotry that David Bednar is teaching here. To be fair though, there are other Christian churches teaching the same bigotry this man is spouting. They too have been deceived. So it's not just a "Mormon" problem. The devil is trying to get all mankind to hate, rather than have Christlike love of one another.
+Dave Ferriman you didn't read all of the Bible scriptures against homosexually?
Leviticus 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
He has a right to say what he wants to say...GET OVER IT!!!! You have the right to say what you want to say...get over it!!! If you dont like it, that doesn't change anything....have a blessed day!!! I am Gay or same sex attracted and He is right.. That is our doctrine.. Get over it!!
If he has the right to say what he wants, people have the right to make fun of him for it. You agree since you said "you have the right to say what you want". Thanks for being against someone who didn't even understand the topic
Words have power and consequences. Queer youth hear this message and believe they must change to be worthy. I hated myself growing up because of language like this. I was ashamed of myself because of language like this. I tried killing myself because of language like this.
@@Veronikadavil Hi Michael, How are you doing? I hope you have found solace. Are you receiving support for your situation? Therapy and reaching out to your leaders is helpful if you experience any suicidal thoughts. You are not alone. You are a beloved son of God and God loves us even when we mistakes. Please do not beat yourself up or dislike yourself. No one is perfect and we all struggle with one thing or another. We just have to continue to fight tendencies that don't lead to eternal happiness. We can have joy in daily repentance and not sorrow. It may take awhile to get through this but never give up trying to live His precious gospel.
When the savior taught the Jewish nation that the laws were not done away ,but expanded in him, he was literally changing there scriptures. To them he was a false prophet. It's easy for us to read that and understand it. When modern revelations are given in our day, it can be difficult to believe. This man is a prophet of god and he speaks for our day.
When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. God said, "Neither Adulterers, Fornicators, Homosexuals, liars, thieves, gossipers, murderers, blasphemers, revilers, or idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven". God set down laws, teachings & judgments depicting what was allowed & forbidden. Man was told to 'choose' whom he would serve between good or evil. Sin is not OF God, but sin is OF evil; evil will not be allowed in Heaven. God put his laws into every man's heart, therefore, everyone born 'knows' good from evil. Christ's entire purpose was to remove man's sin nature by teaching him how to stop thinking, speaking & acting AS it is in Hell, & start living AS it is in Heaven by changing his thoughts, words & actions according to the laws of Heaven. When man rejects God & his teachings, he's 'choosing' to embrace the forbidden evils of the world. It's impossible for God to create a man AS an abomination, attach an unforgiveable sin, then not allow him into Heaven. "Impossible"! Man is not "born hated by God". Man "chooses" to think, speak, & act as sins that are hated & forbidden by God. This is God's world with God's rules. The laws of Heaven will never accept sin, nor give "equality" to sinners that has been ordained only for the righteous. The purpose of a life is to know, love & serve God, not Satan.
@@beantrader4723 where does the atonement and repentance fall into your life? Everyone is capable of repentance. Only the sons of perdition cannot repent. So where does that put sinners in Christ s eyes?
Well answered Elder Bednar. There are no homosexuals or lesbians in the church because those people are sons and daughters of God. Other people are labeling them and that is not right. God does not see his children that way so why does the World insist on labeling them that way. Unless they want that label. people just don't walk up to someone and say" hey homosexual Jim how are you"? or hey lesbian Tina what up?" Listen to the whole explanation. Some peole just do not even listen but comment based on a headline. Really!!! geeze
In response to that I'd argue that the word "homosexual" is much more politically charged than "depressed." He's not saying these struggles aren't real, and that we should simply ignore them and/or not label them. What he's saying is someone's struggle doesn't define who they are as a person. That was the point he was driving home.
If you take the time to actually think about it, you realize that Elder Bednar recognizes that same-sex attraction (homosexuality? don't get lost in semantics) exists in the Church. His point is grander and more sublime than that: defining someone by their source of sexual attraction is a limiting and incomplete definition of a human being. Think about it: we make much out of the "homosexual-heterosexual" division. But why not "redhead vs.blonde?" How ridiculous is that? Since when does sexual attraction define the entirety of one's existence?
Again, the intent isn't to pretend that it's not real by not saying it. His statement was directed at those who belligerently label them as such (i.e. categorize them). The "advice" after which this video has been so erroneously entitled was not a tactic to combat a very real issue. It was a clarification for those who don't understand the struggle. For those being hastily labeled as "homosexual."
The trial isn't what defines you. This isn't an attempt to pretend it's not real, this is an attempt reach out IN UNDERSTANDING.
If someone was addicted to weed or heroin or some other drug, and someone asked: "How do we deal with drug addicts in the Church?" The same response wouldn't cause as much controversy (because it's not a loaded and hot political topic). If we look at it in that sense, "there are no drug addicts in the church," we suddenly see the point Elder Bednar is trying to make. He's not trying to ignore the fact that there ARE. He's not trying to tell those who struggle to simply "not call themselves drug addicts." He is however, trying to move past the label. His point is that we don't define people by their labels. They are still children of God. Labeling hurts.
The rest of his response is actually really adequate.
No no no, my point is that statement was directed at those labeling them, it's not a coping tactic. Again, the idea isn't that we ignore the issue. His statement wasn't "just pretend like they don't exist." Quite the contrary. He wants others, who might pass judgment, to see them just as equally, since the word carries so much weight.
Those who practice homosexuality are not children of God, they are of their Father the Devil, and remain so until repent and are reborn in Christ.
Tyler G Actually he does mention how to make a marriage work whether there is attraction or not. Love has nothing to do with physical attraction. You can always share love with your spouse and it will be better than just being together sexually because of hormones or whatever.
It's so sad to me that people actual believe this stuff. This is one of the main reasons that LGBT people are at such a higher risk of depression/anxiety and even suicide. Cognitive dissonance
And I, as a married man, is attracted to all sorts of different women, does the way that I fight the corrupt nature of man and remain faithful to my wife become reason for me to become depressed and suicidal, as I can't be with any woman I want? My marriage is a beautiful and wonderful thing, and I am glad God has laws for us so that we can abstain from things that can limit our eternal happiness.
+Vuldriel hi, i just read your comment, twice, and really left me thinking how is it possible for someone like you, loving your wife and knowing the value of what you all have together, to be under the pull of ladies passing by making you feel a little war inside you to not get caught up with their looks and all that... I thought that right from the start, marriage gives husband&wife the freedom from lust and the inappropriate ideas that emerge from the state of being single, in fact, i tell you, in me i don't have any room for plurality, bcos in me there is room for only ONE. the rest is fiction and deception that can be smelled a mile away. I heard others (LDS btw) say the same, 'temptation' as if someone took them and matched them with ppl they have no (eros) love for. Pls tell me, how can this be?
I'm glad you come asking questions, those who state their opinion and refuse to budge from it cannot be reasoned with. Temptation is an ever-present condition of mortality. This is Satan's one chance to guide you away from God's path. He will do everything he can, and if you succumb to it, you will create means to further the sin you have been led into. I accept that I am imperfect, and in order to stay clean enough to live with my family in heaven, I must constantly be in contact with the Holy Spirit. I cannot personally grasp eternity, but God can, and so I ask him for guidance, so he will give me enough light to find my way in the darkness.
It is not the state of being single that creates temptation, it is the condition of being mortal.
This is the most thoroughly explained and thoughtful answer by any Church leader. Thank you Elder Bednar!! 👏
The most thoroughly twisted, manipulative answer you mean
@@annamara3982 no, I don’t think that’s what Tracie meant.
The Bible is clear on the subject, not popular. Christianity never was popular. It wouldn't matter what christian religion you are a member, Elder Bednar spoke correctly. Never forgetting love for others who believe differently.
+Brent Taylor The Bible also is clear on the wearing of mixed fabrics and eating shrimp cocktails. Yet, we don't feel the need to punish the children of parents who eat shrimp or wear mixed fabrics, by targeting their children for denial of blessings and baptisms. "ROME - In words that may be interpreted to rebut Catholic priests who refuse to baptize children of same-sex couples, Pope Francis has said that priests should not refuse baptism to anyone who asks for the sacrament. Speaking in a homily Sunday for the ordination of 19 new priests for the diocese of Rome, Francis told the new ministers: "With baptism, you unite the new faithful to the People of God. It is NEVER necessary to refuse baptism to someone who asks for it!" - National Catholic Register
who is this man? I could listen to him talk all day. .he makes a lot of sense. .great answer
+Storm Williams you can listen to him again, and many others like him, on April 2nd and 3rd on channel 5 KSL news Utah...or stream online from LDS.org
+Storm Williams The answer was so isolating... I know that I am a child of God, but I don't know how to fight the pain and sadness that comes with never being able to even hold hands with someone I find attractive... To know that the reality is I will come home alone most of the days, that I will probably never have kids, and that I will die alone in a nursing home...
If you were asked to be celibate how would you live the gospel to fill that void?
OK thank you denise I'm not Mormon but I love how he talks. .I will check that out
hackamull. .thanks for that I just watched it. .he's amazing ..and what a way to explain light. .learn something new everyday
+Tyler G I don't think I will ever understand your struggle, Tyler, and maybe you've heard this all before but maybe just try praying and going to the temple or talk to your bishop or your parents. Maybe they'll have some words that can be of comfort to you. I wish I could help you or provide you with some answers but I can't. But I want you to know that I'll pray for you and for people like you who struggle with the same thing. I know God cares and loves you just as much as the rest of us. I hope you can overcome this and figure out how to manage this challenge in your life.
Hahahaha I know many gay mormons
Brilliant explanation!! Thanks Elder Bednar! Just Brilliant and very clear. Impossible to miss the point. Thanks so very much for this piece of information so much needed in a world of confusion.
A religious belief, "said the Master," is not a statement of reality, but a sign, a hint of something that is a mystery that is beyond the scope of human thought. In short, a religious belief is nothing more than a finger pointing at the moon. Some religious people never go beyond the study of the finger. Others are dedicated to sucking it. And others use their fingers to gouge the eyes. These are the fanatics to whom religion has left them blind. In fact, they are very few who are objective enough to see what the finger is pointing. And these people, who have overcome the belief, are considered blasphemous. "
He changed the question to fit what he wanted to say, while “othering” those members who define themselves differently than he does.
Sometimes we asked wrong questions
"Homosexual" is a label invented by the world to legitimize behavior that is unacceptable to God. Its definition implies that there is no freedom to choose one's behavior.
It seems to me that instead of dividing people and creating conflict out of nothing which is what so many activists love to do, he United in word, all of God’s children regardless of sexual orientation. There is no division than what we create ourselves. And I think your real concern is the lack of acceptance that there is nothing wrong with acting on homosexual thoughts and feelings. The Lord can not look upon sin with the least degree of allowance. Hence the need for Christ’s atonement. If we allow sin through the fallacy of loving understanding to be ignored and brought in, why stop there? The next question could be, “how do minor attracted person’s serve in the church and prepare to receive the blessings of the temple?” It is absurdity but all it takes is tolerance and we’re lost.
Is the person that created this youtube channel Elder David A. Bednar?
Excelente 👌
Jeez his wife looks so sad. What a strange joke about beating her. Hmmm.
Dejame ver si entendí.tener deseos homosexuales por otro hombre no es pecado . pero si miro con deseos a una mujer ya cometo adulterio con ella en mi corazón?
What Bednar means is that temptation is not a sin. Even Jesus was tempted. We must resist temptations to avoid sin. Remember your thoughts can also be a sin; do not dwell on those attractions. Dismiss them and then you will have more power over this weakness of the flesh or the natural man. You should not self-identify based on your sins. I am theft or murderer. It is the Atonement that cleanses this way, you should not inhibit this blessing for yourself, of the sacrifice of God's only Begotten Son by not disavowing your connection with this sin, whatever it may be.The only labels you should accept is that of Christ, for he has bought you with his blood.
That's a great point. Really though, when we appear before the bar of God, which name are we going to be called by ? Christ ? Or some other name ?
Caesar Augustus If we repent and apply the Atonement, Christ is supposed to plead in our behalf and stands as our representative we are known by our deeds whether they are of Christ or not. Baptism is the act of taking His name upon us and afterward we must be Christ-like and try to be like Him. It is symbolic.
+Tia Moore That's all very nice on paper but the reality is the church is a fraud. Have you ever looked into freemasonry (if you've been to the temple)? Joseph's polyandrous wives (meaning he married other men's wives in secret while they were still married to them and (apparently) having children with them? Have you looked into his peepstones, the book of abraham, solomon spalding. Just trying to save you some time. I was a member for 25 years only to find this stuff out which the church hid from me and lied to me about.
Aly Benson I'm sorry that you chose to read a distorted version of the church's history instead of what the church has published on these topics. They are not hidden and have been explained.
This is the church history straight from their history records! What is distorted is what they teach you in their white-washed and scrubbed handbooks that leave out many things and distort others...
And, until 1978 blacks couldn't become ordained to the lay priesthood ... but they weren't racist because they had no black lay priests.
Reading some of the comments on this video remind me about some of the things told to Christ while he was on the earth. Ever notice how people told Christ He was "crazy", "insensitive", "blasphemous", "false", etc.? It's interesting to see how strongly some people fight against truth just because they don't see things the same way.
As Elder Bednar said.... we do not always see things the same way as God. However, it's our responsibility to try to change our thinking to God's thinking. Not to tell God what should and shouldn't be done and change his thinking to ours.
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Appropriate humility requires all of us to admit that we simply can't know for certain what the truth of God is, that we are all fellow seekers on the path and that no matter how deep our convictions, we may be wrong. If you approach people from that position, your message tends to come across much better than one in which you absolutely assume that you know and are simply waiting for them to catch up to your wisdom.
Yes. They had a strong “us vs them” mentality. And they were too highly wrapped up in the letter of the law. Also they thought it wise to force their own beliefs into everyone else, believing that their way was the only and best way to be.
Correct! And we DO know God’s way, for it is written in the scriptures for all to see. Sins of which we are to repent of (change OUR ways to GOD’S way and never return to) are clearly defined for all to see. It is also written that we are to love one another. People who don’t love one another, and people who use that commandment to ignore other commandments and justify sins of the nature that Apostle David A. Bednar speaks of, all need to repent.
so sex is a temptation if you're gay but a blessing if you're straight? That's gonna render Mormonism more irrelevant by the day ...
I love this man. How beautiful. How thankful I am for the SPirit that guides and modern day prophets, and yes, eternal laws and commandments that are our trials to overcome and fight until the day we are redeemed, and throughout the days we are continually redeemed. No importa which cross it is to bear, be it homosexual attractions or others. We can keep His commandments, and He will help.
POINT BEING: We don't accept and tolerate the LGBT agenda! I am not Mormon but I do read the Bible. I do understand physical as well as Spiritual stamina . . Man! it does get me pissed. Utah will not go underground because of all this nonsense. If I must, I will fast and pray and fight off these dudes... so help me God.
I know first hand what homosexual attraction is. . Lol... to tell you the truth, it is a joke. And I know now a day that joke has transformed into some kind of reality. all I can say is pray for our Mormon folks, and let's hope they don't give in to mediocrity.
Sorry, sorry, sorry. but what the heck does attraction mean? life is hard enough as it is. If you do feel attracted to your counterpart, THEN IT MEANS YOU ARE FRIENDS!. it doesn't mean I won't kick his ass if he misbehaves! maybe next time you're looking at yourself in the mirror, you ought to look away and ponder about the idea that perhaps someone else is looking at "you". I don't want to sound racist or prejudice but it does grind my wheels.
forget about it. it is in fact a never ending story.
I love the LDS Church with truth!
poor girl . she is so blind, and she wants to remain blind for the rest of time, thinking that the LDS church is the tue church. read the history of the church and you will change your mind.
Nearly all of the leading experts on Mormon history who have ever lived are members of the LDS church. Perhaps if you keep reading, you will change your mind. ;)
exactly, that is precisely why so many church members are still in LDS church, the so called leading experts on mormon history are responsible for manipulating the history of the church to their advantage to make the LDS church appear unblemished to others, but if there were an independent expert ( outside the LDS ) capable of explaining the church history it would be a different matter, there will be no members left in the LDS church.
I don't know, as a non-member these leaks are just convincing me that they're a last bastion of Christian spirit in the world.
I'm not blind and you don't know me at all. I love Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. The members are helping me out to make sure that I am okay mentally, spiritual and emotional by visiting my home many times.
You people are misguided. Love is God God is love. The only things god has no tolerance for is intolerance and willful ignnorance. "We love all BUT" Joe Smith was a charlatan. You just said we love them but we hate them. God made gays. Did he make a mistake? Can LOVE be experienced wrongly?
I love this - he is so right on and exact
If U have a gay attraction, U just have to decide if it is worth it to follow the law of chastity now or live gay now and repent after this life when the gay attraction may no longer be there. That is a choice that every person should make for themselves. I do not have a gay attraction, yet I know of many things in this life that were not worth it to follow at 1 stage, but are worth it to follow later. Other things were always worth it to follow and other things are still not worth it to follow, yet! Each to their own and whatever you decide, I recommend do not feel guilty about it, otherwise that will destroy the experience!
He explains it very well and that is exactly what the Spirit of God taught me years ago, so in the mouth of 2 or more witnesses God's word is established. I have weaknesses that I cannot act upon or I am sinning in the eyes of God. He helps me overcome my weaknesses as I come unto him. He heals me or makes me whole as I do this.
Discriminating against LGBTQ people is as bad as discriminating against blacks, which this church did until 1978. This guy disgusts me. A pious jerk who thinks his place is to tell everyone what to do.
I love the Bednars.
Estoy de acuerdo, MUJERES y HOMBRE tenemos nuestros propios roles, responsabilidades
Truth Cuts
oh, wow have Church has teachings been altered, since President Kimball, in terms of homosexuality. So, it's OK for me to be attracted to hard pornography, it is not sin, (unless we act upon it)??? I like Elder Bodnar, but this clip seems to be "the philosophies of men, mingled with scripture".
Not labeling can be a good thing and a bad thing. 1. Good part is to see everyone as equal. 2. Bad part, is that it makes people ignore that they exist. Like a type of internal prejudice of ourselves.
Its okay to label people. Its not okay to ONLY see the label and let it hinder you treating them like everyone else. Label can bring light to a subject. Ignoring a label can be the same as ignoring an issue or concerns. We label objects, ourselves (names), countries etc. Labeling is not a bad thing. Ignoring a label by hiding behind not wanting to label is another thing.
He didn't answer the question. He answered a completely different question. God can only reveal to him that which he is able to receive. I don't think He was ready to fully understand the question. God put opposition in ALL things. That way we can understand each other and rise to a higher vibration and righteousness.
Tyler G man behind the curtain... good analogy.
I think labeling or defining ourselves by what we struggle with is much more of a hindrance than defining ourselves by what we truly are, sons and daughters of God. Bednar answered this question perfectly. He redefined the question so that it made sense. It's like me asking, "how can a thief retain his freedoms and be productive in society?" A thief by definition is committing a crime and will lose his freedoms and ability to be productive in society so that question doesn't make sense. Changing the question to "how can a person retain all his freedoms and be productive in a society?" Actually makes sense. He redefined the question to give a reasonable answer.
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