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Ronald Poelman - Censored General Conference Talk - Nov 16, 1984
On 16 November 1984, the Salt Lake Tribune broke a story about changes in first quorum of seventy member Ronald E. Poelman’s 7 October 1984 General Conference address, “The Gospel and the Church,” with the article, “Elder’s Address Rewritten from Conference Version,” by Rodd G. Wagner (B-1, B-4). Wagner wrote that not only was the address heavily edited and partially rewritten for the November Ensign, it was also re-videotaped, with “the new version [being] spliced into the conference tape” for church distribution. In response, Church spokesperson Don LeFevre stated that “the most obvious place to retape [Poelman’s] talk was from the pulpit,” but when Wagner asked if this could give a “false impression” about this being the original, LeFevre said, “It could.” The Deseret News ran a similar story on 17 November(B-5) and the Provo Daily Herald on 18 November.
Some months later, in Sunstone 10:1 (1985), editor Peggy Fletcher wrote that “Poelman returned to the Tabernacle a few days after conference and retaped the speech with the changes. This tape was then spliced into the original conference tape replacing the previous address. In addition, a “coughtrack” was provided to make it sound more like an audience was present.” Stack also points out that “the cost of this video editing was between $10,000 and $15,000.” Church spokesperson Jerry Cahill was quoted as saying, “I don’t think that $10,000 is too much to pay to correct a possible misinterpretation. Besides, if the Brethren require it, we comply.” (The Daily Herald reported “Poelman redelivered his speech in the studios of the Mormon Church-owned Bonneville Media Communications,” but this is likely an error.)
Some months later, in Sunstone 10:1 (1985), editor Peggy Fletcher wrote that “Poelman returned to the Tabernacle a few days after conference and retaped the speech with the changes. This tape was then spliced into the original conference tape replacing the previous address. In addition, a “coughtrack” was provided to make it sound more like an audience was present.” Stack also points out that “the cost of this video editing was between $10,000 and $15,000.” Church spokesperson Jerry Cahill was quoted as saying, “I don’t think that $10,000 is too much to pay to correct a possible misinterpretation. Besides, if the Brethren require it, we comply.” (The Daily Herald reported “Poelman redelivered his speech in the studios of the Mormon Church-owned Bonneville Media Communications,” but this is likely an error.)
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"There are no homosexual members of the church" -David A Bednar, February 23, 2016
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"There are no homosexual members of the church" -David A Bednar, February 23, 2016 Questions and answers with Elder David a. Bednar, of the quorum of the twelve, 23 February 2016 How can they make homosexual members of the church to live and remain steadfast in the gospel? English text has been added to the transcript and CC.
Matt 5:28 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. Who are Mormons going to listen too? Jesus or David. David is a fool. So many problems with what he is saying.
Awful to say that somebody with same-sex attraction is born with a challenge just like an disabled person. The only challenge here is people treating it as something wrong and telling them that they can never have a romantic relationship in their life with somebody they feel attracted to and have mutual consent with 👎🏻
This is such a dumb comment by Bednar. There are Homosexuals in the church. Those same People are also Children of God.
So you're saying attractive people are shallow and not capable of being deep, considering compassionate humans? Because of their flesh? I see beauty in the simple things. The trees, grass, all people are beautiful... I think I'm unattractive. Some agree, some might disagree, what does that have to do with my personal experiences? You know it's scary to be a woman. You read in the scriptures that you're constantly not good enough, still, you hang on. I wasn't born in the church, I didn't have that privilege. But I'm not going to be told by any man how much oil I have in my lamp. You try that, I'll set the world on fire.
Matthew 23:8 'But as for you, do not be called 'Rabbi'; for you have only One teacher, the Christ. And you are all brothers and sisters.' 'Pray in secret and do not be like the hypocrites who love to pray on the street corners so that they may be seen by men.' Words of Christ.
Can someone tell Susan’s husband to simmer down. He’s on one of his crazed rants again.
Doctrine and Covenants section 123
Excellent response Elder Bednar and not once did you use a script or stutter during your explanation. Admirable ❤
I love the way sister Bednar looks at her husband with so much love in her eyes
It's funny that this happened in 1984. This truly is something that the Ministry of Truth would have done via Winston Smith. The Mormon church is the new Oceania.
Amen!! We are not defined by our sexual attraction!! Exactly!! There is more to life than sexual attraction both heterosexual or homosexual!!
Has anyone thought to consider sister Bednar. Just a thought of her well being
Total bull shit
Very true that we're to act and not to be acted upon. We have the power within us to act and do what is right.
I thought this was genius
Being Homosexual is Only a Challenge because THIS $1 TRILLION Mormon Cult of Q15 UT CON MAN DEMEANS & DEGRADES THEM ALL! Susan Bednar's Nasty Ugly Husband is ALL ABOUT SEMANTICS. Thinks he ALONE can REDEFINE 'Free Agency' as 'Moral Agency'. GTH DAVID!! RMN's Bff, Satan, is waiting for the Q15 there!!
I can’t imagine telling someone to be a lone
The Church is Jesus's church, not the Mormon church.
Outstanding definition and delivery!
Love this. This is not elder bednars channel but he is totally accurate.
The interpreter was very impressive! The message is even more impressive
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And this is why I stopped going to church because of the gate keeping and zero tolerance of others and sexuality and preferences I was a member of the church and I am bi sexual
Ya right!
I had a near death experience in 2010 and God told me I'm a male spirit in a female body. I e been on testosteronefor 3 years and I look like a man.now what? I stopped taking testosterone but I'm still considered a sinner and no one can help me? I guess I just bea happy dissapointment? 😅 I can't not be transgender and it isn't a sex act
Both talks are true and don't really contradict each other. A lot of the differences are just simplifications in the second talk of stuff in the first talk. An interesting but ultimately meaningless moment in history as something like this hasn't been repeated.
Simply means, when you are a woman and act like a man (ex. walking, poise, voice) and a man who acts like a feminine (walking, speaking, body structure) is ok. But when you are a woman and take a serious romantic relationship or intimacy (kissing,petting, and more)with same sex likewise with men , then thise are against the teachings 9f the church.
It’s important to remember Satan calls us by our sins or weaknesses. God calls us by our name. The adversary will want us to identify as any and everything besides a child of God.
I hate how you bigots try to use excuses like these, you are just a homophobe, just admit it, you are a coward by pretending like a god justifies your beliefs
Learned Spanish on my mission. This translator is miraculously skilled-absolutely remarkable.
Estoy de acuerdo. Servi en Mexico hace 40 anos. Entendi casi todas las palabras en Espanol. Yo soy un Gringo viejo con poco pelo.
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This is a cult church. Do not join this strange religion, look at its history before engaging with Mormons, they will lie to you. I left this church many years ago! The best thing I have ever done in my life.
why does this guy drag his poor wife along with him?
Use caution. This channel is appropriating Elder David A. Bednar’s name without permission, and misrepresents speakers via slick editing. ❌
Slick deceit, appropriating Elder David A. Bednar’s name for this Liberal-apostate channel.
His whole persona screams “don’t question what I tell you”.
This guy is a real piece of work! He possesses both high intellect capacity and credulity.
What gross human he is!
David bednar is in deep deep denial. He and the leadership hide some nasty secrets. I think the say that they "keep it on the down low".
This response is exactly right, and totally true... my sexual preference is nobodys business, and neither is yours mine... it is a personal, private, issue. I do not understand why this deeply personal aspect of a persons identity has become the forefront of what someone declares his or herself to be... there is so much more to a person, and to life! I appreciate Bednars position, I support him totally.
Los apóstoles siguen hablando de inclinación al sexo opuesto, evitando la palabra homoxesual, les falta.mucho y loas importante reconocer a la membresia sid gay dentro de la iglesia.
Elder Bednar is a prophet and seer. He is a special witness of Christ like Paul, Peter and the apostles of the New Testament. I hear Elder Bednar and I hear clarity. I hear truth. I feel inspired to cling to my Savior
And this is what apostles are here for. Thank you Lord.
Has there been any changes in any of the statements made by Elder Bednar since this recording?
He’s an idiot
Bed at Im going to pray for you. One is homosexual even it they don’t act on it. So, yes, the church DOES have homosexuals in the church!! Duh
What was the major change?
I was led to believe this would be some kind of horror show, an Orwellian re-edit but it was more of a touch-up. The talk is essentially the same but some of the gobbledygook has been ironed out and revised. In the original talk, he's trying to point out that the Church and the Gospel are two different things. In the revised version, he emphasizes that the two work together. I have no problem with the original sentiment. People often mistake the Church for the Gospel. I think it helps to know the difference. You can have a set of principles and beliefs that are relatively unchanging and still have an organization that adapts to the times.
I feel so sorry for his wife
That poor woman does not look happy.
The leadership of the church could not live up to their standards that they set for the LDS membership. You are the epitome of hypocrisy David A. Bednar. You don’t have the authority to speak for GOD, and you know that. Yet you do this for your own personal power and position. As you judge, so will you be judged. You will reap what you sew.
Why is it OK to "define" yourself by religion and not sexual orientation? Oh, who even cares what these morons have to say about anything!